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Hugh 22-12-2014 12:04

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Russia has to do it's bit, too.....

Kursk 22-12-2014 12:42

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35747908)
Russia has to do it's bit, too.....

Absolutely right. But we should stop twisting her arm imho.

Osem 22-12-2014 12:46

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35747915)
Absolutely right. But we should stop twisting her arm imho.

So what do we do about Russian troops in Ukraine?

papa smurf 22-12-2014 13:04

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So what do we do about Russian troops in Ukraine?

as far as i am aware Russia denies any troops are in Ukraine .

Osem 22-12-2014 13:06

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as far as i am aware Russia denies any troops are in Ukraine .

Yes they do. Just like there were no coalition tanks in Baghdad... :D

If we can't trust what Putin says then there's very little chance of things getting any easier for Russia.

papa smurf 22-12-2014 13:10

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35747925)
Yes they do. Just like there were no coalition tanks in Baghdad... :D

If we can't trust what Putin says then there's very little chance of things getting any easier for Russia.

he's costing a lot of rich people a lot of money his days are numbered

Taf 22-12-2014 13:39

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he's costing a lot of rich people a lot of money his days are numbered

Any left in Russia might suffer fatal "accidents" soon enough.

papa smurf 22-12-2014 13:57

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Any left in Russia might suffer fatal "accidents" soon enough.

revenge of the radioactive brollygarch ;)

Hugh 22-12-2014 14:17

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35747915)
Absolutely right. But we should stop twisting her arm imho.

Yes, we should stop forcing Mother Russia to cut of gas supplies to Europe, stop twisting her arm to make her send troops and supplies into Ukraine, stop bullying her into annexing Crimea, and stop making her undertake three week long cyber-attacks on Estonia.....

Sirius 22-12-2014 16:09

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35747924)
as far as i am aware Russia denies any troops are in Ukraine .

I am denying i have a pimple on my bottom, that does not mean its true. ;)

Kursk 22-12-2014 16:20

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35747945)
Yes, we should stop forcing Mother Russia to cut of gas supplies to Europe, stop twisting her arm to make her send troops and supplies into Ukraine, stop bullying her into annexing Crimea, and stop making her undertake three week long cyber-attacks on Estonia.....

I can think of one or two more countries who ought not to violate international agreements and standards; who ought not to invade sovereign territories; who ought not to sell arms to who knows who, or torture, or....oh forget it, the World is a complicated place.

Let him who is without <strike>sin</strike> a pimple cast the first stone.

Osem 22-12-2014 19:59

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35747975)
I can think of one or two more countries who ought not to violate international agreements and standards; who ought not to invade sovereign territories; who ought not to sell arms to who knows who, or torture, or....oh forget it, the World is a complicated place.
Let him who is without <strike>sin</strike> a pimple cast the first stone.

Very, with all sorts of powerful and conflicting interests at work which is why there's never going to be the sort of peaceful and harmonious world order I'm sure we'd all like to see.

Damien 22-12-2014 20:10

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35747975)
I can think of one or two more countries who ought not to violate international agreements and standards; who ought not to invade sovereign territories; who ought not to sell arms to who knows who, or torture, or....oh forget it, the World is a complicated place.

Let him who is without <strike>sin</strike> a pimple cast the first stone.

The world isn't fair.

Putin tried to play power games and at the moment it appears it's backfiring. Maybe he didn't have as strong a hand as he thought he did.

Kursk 23-12-2014 00:17

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35748047)
The world isn't fair.

Putin tried to play power games and at the moment it appears it's backfiring. Maybe he didn't have as strong a hand as he thought he did.

Well, that's one interpretation. Another might be that the President is not playing but acting in what he regards as the best interests of his country. I think he will have had a pretty good grasp of the likely repercussions but only a gambler would test the strength of his hand.

Damien 23-12-2014 06:51

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35748115)
Well, that's one interpretation. Another might be that the President is not playing but acting in what he regards as the best interests of his country.

Maybe but that interpretation is rather weak. I fail to see how redrawing the European borders by invading another, democratic, sovereign country and making it your own is in the best interests of the Russian people. It seems more about appealing to a sense of lost national pride. If he was concerned about their best interests he would have spent the last 10 years diversifying the Russian economy rather than riding an oil boom.

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I think he will have had a pretty good grasp of the likely repercussions but only a gambler would test the strength of his hand.
He tested his hand himself by taking Crimea. He probably thought he could ride out Western sanctions due to oil but miscalculated how much he upset Saudi Arabia in his prior support for Assad and now vulnerable he left Russia open to a fall in oil prices.

Unfortunately for the rest of us when you invade, occupy and redraw the borders of a European country then you leave other European and Western Nations with no choice but to respond.


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