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Damien 02-01-2015 15:06

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
There would be any number of problems from just closing the borders. Many global companies require the ability for workers to migrate, even if it's just for short contracts, or to recruit uniquely skilled workers for certain jobs. Just as an example we'll be building some nuclear power plants soon and I imagine we don't have all the requisite talents within the UK or newly expanded foreign companies trying to set up here who need to send some of their staff. These will all need work permits at the very least. Then you have issues with people that have foreign partners and what would happen to our own expats should we decide that no more foreigners are allowed in here. We would end up being an isolated island unwilling to recruit, marry or learn from the majority of people in the world who aren't British.

Closing the borders probably would help but in the same way amputating a leg would get rid of your athlete's foot.

Osem 02-01-2015 15:13

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop It (Post 35749872)
You two are truly amazing human beings.

Not a thought about the human cost to these people, the enormous risks they have took just to get to these boats without knowing if they'll even get off alive, what they are escaping from and what they may have suffered prior.

No, just selfish rants about how people are economic migrants who must be abusing the system and do not deserve anything other than to be sent home.

Most of these people came from Syria, a country where nearly 75 thousand people died last year. Trying to de-humanise them or score political points wont make a damned difference. You want the flow of migrants to stop? Closing our borders and shouting la-la-la wont help.

You really need to read what I've written on this subject many times before making such a ridiculous statement. I've NEVER stated that all migrants are abusing the system or that all asylum seekers are bogus. Neither have I suggested closing our borders so there's another flaw in your rhetoric. I'm simply pointing out an unpleasant reality and that is that the world is full of deserving and desperate people and until we can do something about that fact this problem will not only never cease, it will grow and more people will take their chances at the hands of traffickers who a) have no thought for their welfare and b) are hardly likely to be telling their paying customers the truth about the risks they are taking. We're doing precious little to stop the causes of the flow of migrants, in fact in some cases we're contributing to the reasons for it. This thread posed a question and you appear to be as long on personal attacks as you are short on ideas for dealing with the problem.

nomadking 02-01-2015 15:15

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Examples of these highly skilled people that are being brought in.
Link
Quote:

A newsagent and off-licence created a post of full-time HR manager… for its three staff
Fast-food shops recruited press and PR managers
A high street kebab shop employed a ‘sales and business development manager’
A newsagent claimed it needed a £30,000 per annum sales manager
Petrol stations sought full-time business development managers
A fishmonger advertised for a second general manager’s post for its total staff of six
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At least 30 per cent of Tier One migrants were later found to work in low-skilled roles such as stacking shelves, driving taxis or working as security guards. Others did not have a job at all.

Sirius 02-01-2015 15:22

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35749884)
There would be any number of problems from just closing the borders. Many global companies require the ability for workers to migrate, even if it's just for short contracts, or to recruit uniquely skilled workers for certain jobs. Just as an example we'll be building some nuclear power plants soon and I imagine we don't have all the requisite talents within the UK or newly expanded foreign companies trying to set up here who need to send some of their staff. These will all need work permits at the very least. Then you have issues with people that have foreign partners and what would happen to our own expats should we decide that no more foreigners are allowed in here. We would end up being an isolated island unwilling to recruit, marry or learn from the majority of people in the world who aren't British.

Closing the borders probably would help but in the same way amputating a leg would get rid of your athlete's foot.

Closing no, controlling YES. At the moment we have no control over our borders and i think its about time we got that back. Simples

---------- Post added at 14:22 ---------- Previous post was at 14:20 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop It (Post 35749872)
You two are truly amazing human beings.

Not a thought about the human cost to these people, the enormous risks they have took just to get to these boats without knowing if they'll even get off alive, what they are escaping from and what they may have suffered prior.

No, just selfish rants about how people are economic migrants who must be abusing the system and do not deserve anything other than to be sent home.

Most of these people came from Syria, a country where nearly 75 thousand people died last year. Trying to de-humanise them or score political points wont make a damned difference. You want the flow of migrants to stop? Closing our borders and shouting la-la-la wont help.

So when did i say CLOSE the borders. Oh wait i didn't YOU did.

Mr Angry 02-01-2015 19:14

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Errr....

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35494650-post2.html

Sirius 02-01-2015 20:02

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35749916)

For clarity over the above quote which would have been better to post in full instead of just a link.

Quote:

Close the doors to the uk and put up a sign WE ARE FULL go away
I said close the doors not the borders, We should not close the borders they need to be open so that if we can have controlled immigration. However the EU have seen fit to remove that ability from us.

There i am happy to clarify the point for you. :rolleyes:

Mr Angry 02-01-2015 21:07

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Sorry,

You're quite right, my mistake.

It was here:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35600377-post34.html

martyh 02-01-2015 21:24

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35749885)
I'm simply pointing out an unpleasant reality and that is that the world is full of deserving and desperate people and until we can do something about that fact this problem will not only never cease, it will grow and more people will take their chances at the hands of traffickers .

I think that's quite correct ,unfortunately it puts us in somewhat of a quandry because many of the same people shouting for our borders to be shut also shout very loudly for us to stop or at least severely cut overseas aid and leave those countries to sort themselves out

TheDaddy 02-01-2015 22:17

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35749860)
And here's another.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30653742

Seems like the back door to Europe is well and truly open. It's ironic that whilst we're being extraordinarily careful about admitting some people into Europe, just about anyone can get on a boat and be towed here.

Silly question but why are they towing them to Italy, why not tow them back to Sierra Leone

Sirius 02-01-2015 22:20

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35749934)
Sorry,

You're quite right, my mistake.

It was here:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35600377-post34.html

I have made myself clear in my last post, if you want to keep digging at it that's fine you go ahead and have your satisfaction see if i care.

Hugh 02-01-2015 22:21

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35749945)
Silly question but why are they towing them to Italy, why not tow them back to Sierra Leone

Because Sierra Leone is about 4000 Nautical Miles away, and on the other side of Africa?

Sirius 02-01-2015 22:22

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35749945)
Silly question but why are they towing them to Italy, why not tow them back to Sierra Leone

They can get a bus or train to France far easier from Italy :)

Damien 02-01-2015 23:26

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35749948)
They can get a bus or train to France far easier from Italy :)

Yes but I don't think they hired the tow. I think Hugh is probably closer to the mark.

TheDaddy 02-01-2015 23:42

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35749947)
Because Sierra Leone is about 4000 Nautical Miles away, and on the other side of Africa?

:shrug:

Sirius 02-01-2015 23:54

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35749956)
Yes but I don't think they hired the tow. I think Hugh is probably closer to the mark.

Its not beyond the realms of possibility that the traffickers knew that if they could get the ship close to Italy it would be towed there when discovered. The traffickers are however only worried about the money they made when they were paid by those on the ship.


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