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papa smurf 11-03-2015 15:10

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35763980)
The wicked witch of Westminster has decided to chicken out of making a decision until after the election. Hopefully no riots break out before then.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-by-met-police

well if they do the police can pee on them :)

Chris 12-03-2015 10:19

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
When they get them, they should fill them with soapy water. The very threat of a wash should see most of the usual suspects off the streets in a flash.

tweetiepooh 12-03-2015 11:31

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
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Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35763982)
So they have bought it without a decision on whether they can even use it?

They were on a one time never to be repeated deal but only if they bought them immediately. And they'd throw in free delivery.

Derek 15-07-2015 12:51

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
Looks like any potential rioters will be safe from getting a Met supplied wash.

Damien 15-07-2015 13:07

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
Boris can add water cannons to the SkyLine thing as wastes of money then.

richard s 15-07-2015 13:46

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
Want to use the cannons on the Tory side of the commons - this will help get rid of the **** that has accumulated there.;)

Derek 15-07-2015 14:34

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35788536)
Boris can add water cannons to the SkyLine thing as wastes of money then.

He really should have known better than to think something used all over Europe and in other parts of the UK would be acceptable for use in England and Wales.

It's only the Police, Mayor and former Policing ministers who want them and the most useless Home Secretary in living memory who doesn't. Hey I suppose she knows best, after all the current options for dealing with riots (baton strikes, shields and AEP rounds) are all perfectly safe...

It's almost like she wants the Police to fail.

Osem 15-07-2015 14:37

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35788533)
Looks like any potential rioters will be safe from getting a Met supplied wash.

Well they might get 'hurt' God forbid. People are made of far tougher stuff in Northern Ireland you know... :rolleyes:

The police can, I believe, still seek permission to use them should the situation arise and it'll be up to the Home Secretary to then decide again. If the re are large scale riots and London streets are on fire I think it'll be a brave politician who says 'no' to any such request and would, I suspect, be the end of her...

BenMcr 15-07-2015 14:49

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35788574)
It's almost like she wants the Police to fail.

Quite a few police forces have already said they didn't want them http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...o-water-cannon

Derek 15-07-2015 14:56

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35788586)
Quite a few police forces have already said they didn't want them http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...o-water-cannon

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But the views of the other forces leave the Met in isolation, weeks before it is expected to ask the home secretary for formal approval. The police and crime commissioners (PCCs) for the forces in Greater Manchester, West Midlands, West Yorkshire, Merseyside and Thames Valley have all rejected the idea and suggested they would be unwilling to share the cost.
PCC's. Who have no say in operational Policing are saying they wouldn't want them.

BenMcr 15-07-2015 15:05

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35788590)
PCC's. Who have no say in operational Policing are saying they wouldn't want them.

Well my police chief also says no.
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Greater Manchester's chief constable, Sir Peter Fahy, is in agreement with Lloyd.


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And it doesn't look like Merseyside Police Chief would want it either

http://www.merseysidepcc.info/36/sec.../35/pccs_urge_

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Jane Kennedy said: “The Chief Constable, Jon Murphy, and I have considered the use of water cannon and believe them to be of limited value for Merseyside.

“I would not want to see precious resources diverted to purchase such vehicles when their value is yet to be proven.”

Osem 15-07-2015 15:05

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
Well I don't suppose Boris was planning to send them anywhere else. ;)

BenMcr 15-07-2015 15:14

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35788597)
Well I don't suppose Boris was planning to send them anywhere else. ;)

Except my understanding is that the decision would applies to the whole of England and Wales - which at present London is still a part of.

Osem 15-07-2015 16:45

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35788601)
Except my understanding is that the decision would applies to the whole of England and Wales - which at present London is still a part of.

Yes but to my knowledge there aren't any others in England or Wales so it's a moot point unless Boris wants to lend them or some are shipped in from NI. ;)

I dare say some political capital is being made over the Irish Sea about how Westminster feels it's ok to use 'dangerous' water cannon there but not in England and Wales.

Derek 15-07-2015 17:10

Re: Boris buys water cannon for London
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35788597)
Well I don't suppose Boris was planning to send them anywhere else. ;)

Mutual aid is a wonderful thing. The last time the natives got a bit riot-y it wasn't just the Met who were on the streets. That Relationship works both ways.

If it kicks off later this year expect to see this decision reversed sharpish, I'm not entirely convinced it wasn't taken to make Boris look foolish and dent his chances of taking the top job instead of a purely public interest decision, water cannon are far less likely to cause injury than the current options available.


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