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Re: The other side of vigilantism

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35638728)

this was all to do with the guy who topped himself which was incidentally not a Stinson Hunter perp.

I will continue to defend him

The old bill need to be seen to be doing something. QTX pointed out a guy who got off because of either an old bill or cps mix up. Is it any wonder people feel the need to take the law into their own hands?

I know for one if anyone ever messed with my daughter as a child or now as she is grown up and they got off I would be more than happy to serve time and deal with it myself

big difference between that and organised vigilantism ,both ways are wrong as i found out a few years ago

Re: The other side of vigilantism

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35638728)

this was all to do with the guy who topped himself which was incidentally not a Stinson Hunter perp.

I will continue to defend him

The old bill need to be seen to be doing something. QTX pointed out a guy who got off because of either an old bill or cps mix up. Is it any wonder people feel the need to take the law into their own hands?

I know for one if anyone ever messed with my daughter as a child or now as she is grown up and they got off I would be more than happy to serve time and deal with it myself

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that was a fraudulent website deliberately accusing innocent people and demanding money for their names to be removed

More than he defends himself, it would seem.

From the Guardian link I posted yesterday evening in this thread.

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Stinson Hunter has even admitted as much. "Guys that I catch generally aren't paedophiles," he told supporters in an online broadcast in August. "A massive percent of them are guys that have been lonely and someone has paid them attention and they've jumped on it."

Also in that article, a different viewpoint on one of Mr Hunter's 'stings'.

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Sam's story began when he was talking to a person on the dating site Badoo. After a while someone told him she was 11 and asked if it put him off. He said it did but he didn't mind chatting from time to time.

"I knew she wasn't an 11-year-old because she sounded so mature and when her picture was up I said to her that's a picture of a 17- or 18-year-old, I think I am being fooled here. She said no, I'm 11." Later they had an adult exchange in which she asked about sex. "I discussed slowly what happens," he said. "After, I said: 'I don't think you are 11.' An 11-year-old would not respond to me in this nature."

Soon, "she" asked to come and meet him. He made excuses to avoid it, but shortly afterwards, Stinson posted Sam's picture and number online and accused him of grooming. Hate messages poured in. "Kill threats, you're a paedo, you're this you're that," he said. "I was panicking, I couldn't eat." Sam went to the police and said he had been talking to someone he didn't believe was a child.

Then Stinson called. "He said if you think you are not a vile person, come and see us and we'll have a chat with you and leave it at that," Sam said. Stinson gave him a contact at Nuneaton police station who he said had previously handled his cases. According to Sam, the officer told him not to go because of the risk that a film shaming him would be broadcast. But it seemed a chance to clear his name and he went.

"Straight away the camera was on my face," he said. "There were about four people in there. Straight away all the bad questions. I just started crying thinking what the hell have we come into. He has made the nation believe that me and my friend had actually come to meet the 11-year-old."

Detective Inspector Chris Hanson, of the West Midlands police public protection unit, said Stinson's video sting on Sam had been thoroughly investigated by specialist child abuse investigation officers who also made their own extensive inquiries and found no evidence of any sexual offences. But Sam said that came too late to prevent social workers asking him to move away from his children temporarily and his life being threatened by strangers.

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:tu:

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But Sam said that came too late to prevent social workers asking him to move away from his children temporarily and his life being threatened by strangers.

Never mind that eh? Acceptable 'collateral damage'... :rolleyes:

Re: The other side of vigilantism

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35638744)

More than he defends himself, it would seem.

From the Guardian link I posted yesterday evening in this thread.

Also in that article, a different viewpoint on one of Mr Hunter's 'stings'.

Fair do's I will try and contact Stinson for his side to that. If it is the case that Stinson has been pulling the wool over our eyes then I will re think my position on this matter.

I would still like to see more evidence of police action in this field

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Interesting story in the Coventry Telegraph

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A Coventry man accused of trying to meet a 15-year-old girl after allegedly grooming her over the internet has had the case against him thrown out.
A judge at Coventry Crown Court has ruled that it was impossible for the 33-year-old man to have a fair trial.....

....Recorder Patrick Upward QC questioned how it could proceed when, as he had heard, ‘three of the parties to the entrapment’ had refused to give evidence and in view of comments made by a police officer in the case.

And following an adjournment for him to consider the submissions and legal arguments, he said he was satisfied the Crown and the police had ‘acted appropriately.’

“However, the evidential gaps are such that it is impossible for the defendant to have a fair trial,” he ruled.

Recorder Upward said he was therefore dismissing the case against the defendant/

Re: The other side of vigilantism

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35638871)

Interesting story in the Coventry Telegraph

'nuff said.

Re: The other side of vigilantism

Entrapping someone with the lure of a 15 year old is a bit close to the line. I bet there are tons of people on the board that could be classed as pedo's simply because their sex life started around the age of 15 or 16. Sleep with someone aged 15 years and 11 months old and you will go to prison, be on the sex offenders list, be called a paedophile and hated as **** of the earth. Sleep with the person 1 month later and it's all legal and fine.

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This is what SH should have been doing. The right way to do it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24818769

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Three police officers have been charged in connection with the death of a man whose vigilante killer wrongly believed he was a paedophile.

http://news.sky.com/story/1386334/co...mix-up-killing

well done