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thenry 13-05-2013 18:42

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35571535)
No, I meant amongst themselves.

belief differences within Islam?

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35571537)
No, there isn't. I've asked you to show me where it states that in the Koran and you've not been able to. I suggest this is because it doesn't actually say that but if you think otherwise then I'd be interested to what you can show me.

ok we obviously don't agree.

Gary L 13-05-2013 19:37

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35571543)
belief differences within Islam?

As always.
same with the bible.

martyh 13-05-2013 22:20

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35571421)
No youre putting words in my mouth. A Muslim is required to fight for his/her beliefs.

Theres 100s of pages Russ. I'm not going to go through it all again. It will take me days, weeks to get through it all again. I cannot remember word for word. I just remember parts where it states what I've said already.

with all of this reading you have done on Islam you will no doubt have read all the other interpretations as well ,for every scholar that thinks the koran tells muslims to fight there is an equal amount of scholars that say it does not

thenry 13-05-2013 22:29

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Absolutely, theres a fair few that try their best to keep the peace. Look I'm not in any way stating I'm a pro in Islamic affairs, I'm not. I am though saying that the Quran does state a lot about fighting the 'non-believer'. Its talks of hypocrites, ones that call themselves Muslims but back out when fighting etc. those whether they be Muslim or not are marked down as the 'non-believer' and what do these nutcase crackheads do? harm us of course.

Russ 13-05-2013 22:34

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35571680)
I am though saying that the Quran does state a lot about fighting the 'non-believer'.

Can you give any examples of that?

Gary L 13-05-2013 22:38

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35571682)
Can you give any examples of that?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/qu...3-violence.htm

thenry 13-05-2013 22:58

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Just a heads up. As stated by martyh different people say different things so just be cautious when trying to find the real translation. I got the Quran I own while I was out in Saudi Arabia, obviously you wont travel just for a Quran so if you truly are interested in a copy be sure its stamped by Saudi Arabia. Also costs are only for the book itself and delivery, some only delivery. Its against Islam for someone to make any kind of profit distributing the book.

martyh 14-05-2013 05:13

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35571698)
Just a heads up. As stated by martyh different people say different things so just be cautious when trying to find the real translation. I got the Quran I own while I was out in Saudi Arabia, obviously you wont travel just for a Quran so if you truly are interested in a copy be sure its stamped by Saudi Arabia. Also costs are only for the book itself and delivery, some only delivery. Its against Islam for someone to make any kind of profit distributing the book.

That's correct ,one also has to be careful when reading meaning into various pieces of text ,when a text says "fight the non believers" what does it mean ? does it mean fight in a violent way (shoot/kill/maim) or does it mean fight in a passive way ,according to texts in the Quran a Muslim can only be aggressive in self defence .As in all religious texts the meaning is read in a different way by different people who want it to say a certain thing to suit their own personal needs hence we end up with different factions of the same religion

Gary L 14-05-2013 08:52

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35571743)
That's correct ,one also has to be careful when reading meaning into various pieces of text ,when a text says "fight the non believers" what does it mean ? does it mean fight in a violent way (shoot/kill/maim) or does it mean fight in a passive way ,according to texts in the Quran a Muslim can only be aggressive in self defence .As in all religious texts the meaning is read in a different way by different people who want it to say a certain thing to suit their own personal needs hence we end up with different factions of the same religion

Well I suppose if you read what the 'leaders' interpretation of the word fight by his actions in the book. then you can assume what he and they mean by fight.

Russ 14-05-2013 08:56

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35571685)

It may have been a quick google search but congratulations on your first bit of 'research' in to a religion.

Anyway, nothing so far about in-fighting for other Muslims they disagree with then.

Gary L 14-05-2013 13:03

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35571769)
It may have been a quick google search but congratulations on your first bit of 'research' in to a religion.

It's not my first. but it's not important.

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Anyway, nothing so far about in-fighting for other Muslims they disagree with then.
Your go now, then.
try Yahoo or something.

soicky 14-05-2013 20:28

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Anjem and co go on edgware road, many shia shops on this road, and protest against assad, hezbollah and the Iranian regime, some shias aren't happy and a scuffle occurs. That pretty much sums it up.

martyh 15-05-2013 01:22

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Originally Posted by soicky (Post 35571945)
Anjem and co go on edgware road, many shia shops on this road, and protest against assad, hezbollah and the Iranian regime, some shias aren't happy and a scuffle occurs. That pretty much sums it up.

good god man how on earth do you expect to get a decent headline out of that ;)

Ramrod 31-07-2016 20:59

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35571675)
with all of this reading you have done on Islam you will no doubt have read all the other interpretations as well ,for every scholar that thinks the koran tells muslims to fight there is an equal amount of scholars that say it does not

Unfortunately, the type of muslim that is prone to going boom only tends to read the former. Thems the ones we have to worry about. The peaceful ones are irrelevant. :(

Maggy 31-07-2016 23:04

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Only a two year thread resurrected..You lot must be getting bored..;)


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