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Sirius 27-12-2012 19:49
Re: 'Austerity' at the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35516838)
Correct. Remember that TVL representatives aka salesmen, have no special rights, they have no right of entry, no right to inspect your equipment. Cannot "interview you under caution":rolleyes: If you accidentally let them in you can demand that they leave at any time and if they don't they commit a criminal offence. You can even withdraw their right to use your front path and doorbell.

Indeed no more "Rights" than a double glazing agent. Ignore their stupid computer generated letters, don't open the door to strangers and don't answer anonymous phone calls. I thought that this was common sense.

Actually based on experience they might call once every 6-9 months, easily spotted as they look like complete bozos.

There's absolutely NOTHING they can do, despite their apparent claims otherwise. The more people realise this the sooner this iniquitous tax can be abandoned

Simply don't pay. We haven't for the last five years, we don't watch or use the BBC and don't pay for it.

If the BBC was so good it would have no problem being subscription ONLY (If you want no ads)
:clap:

Escapee 27-12-2012 20:20
Re: 'Austerity' at the BBC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35516838)
Correct. Remember that TVL representatives aka salesmen, have no special rights, they have no right of entry, no right to inspect your equipment. Cannot "interview you under caution":rolleyes: If you accidentally let them in you can demand that they leave at any time and if they don't they commit a criminal offence. You can even withdraw their right to use your front path and doorbell.

Indeed no more "Rights" than a double glazing agent. Ignore their stupid computer generated letters, don't open the door to strangers and don't answer anonymous phone calls. I thought that this was common sense.

Actually based on experience they might call once every 6-9 months, easily spotted as they look like complete bozos.

There's absolutely NOTHING they can do, despite their apparent claims otherwise. The more people realise this the sooner this iniquitous tax can be abandoned

Simply don't pay. We haven't for the last five years, we don't watch or use the BBC and don't pay for it.

If the BBC was so good it would have no problem being subscription ONLY (If you want no ads)
I have promised myself to cancel my TV license in the new year, I watch very little television because I have little time to waste. Live TV doesn't suite my lifestyle so it's rare that I watch a program live. I have watched one BBC program over the Christmas period and I wasn't even at my own home when I was watching it.

Anyone who doesn't wish to watch live TV such as myself needs not have a TV license, not even to watch BBC iplayer if you so wish. TVL deliberately make it unclear to make it look like anyone with a TV needs a license, but this is not the case.

I will be cancelling my direct debit and I will not be filling in and signing their form to cancel that supposedly gives them the right to access to my property! Yeh right:dunce:


ps. I seem to know a lot more people these days who will not pay and are not afraid of TVL

martyh 27-12-2012 20:57
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Whilst i admire your stance on the TVL ,what about when the summons arrives or the enforces enter to check your property holding a magistrates warrant .Simply owning a set or any equipment that can receive live tv transmissions (including phones)requires a licence even if you don't use it .

Sirius 27-12-2012 21:08
Re: 'Austerity' at the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35516859)
Whilst i admire your stance on the TVL ,what about when the summons arrives or the enforces enter to check your property holding a magistrates warrant .Simply owning a set or any equipment that can receive live tv transmissions (including phones)requires a licence even if you don't use it .
And there is the problem, you have no choice but pay the tax even if you only use you set to receive other channels.

THAT is why i hate the BBC and i will continue to hate them as long as they do not give you the CHOICE.

Osem 27-12-2012 21:14
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Look guys. If everyone who doesn't use the service refuses to pay for the Beeb they won't have enough money for such essentials as:

The entirely justified multi-million pound salaries of 'stars' like Jonathan Ross,
Paying Terry Wogan an 'honourarium' to host Children in Need (when apparently he'd happily "do it for nothing") *
Giving George Entwhistle twice what he was entitled to (for doing such a fine job evidently)...

:rolleyes:

* http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6417329.stm

dilli-theclaw 27-12-2012 21:15
Re: 'Austerity' at the BBC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35516859)
Whilst i admire your stance on the TVL ,what about when the summons arrives or the enforces enter to check your property holding a magistrates warrant .Simply owning a set or any equipment that can receive live tv transmissions (including phones)requires a licence even if you don't use it .
No, it doesn't.

carlwaring 27-12-2012 21:16
Re: 'Austerity' at the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35516864)
It's all part of the mistique.
What "mystique" exactly? It's all explained, in detail, on their website :rolleyes:

carlwaring 27-12-2012 21:25
Re: 'Austerity' at the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35516830)
If the BBC think there product is so good then issue cards to everyone for the freeview boxes and make the BBC a subscription service to the same amount as the licence fee. That way you have the CHOICE if you want to watch the BBC then pay your subscription if you dont then you dont pay and dont watch. This will remove the other argument that they should go to a advert based system.
They would still have to attract new subscribers, though. And they could only do that by producing only the most-popular stuff. So there goes BBC4, for example.

So no, neither subscription nor advertising will allow the BBC to continue in it's current remit.

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35516866)
Look guys. If everyone who doesn't use the service refuses to pay for the Beeb they won't have enough money for such essentials as..
Yes yes. We can all cherry-pick the one or two things we might not entirely agree with. But two out of three of those are very old news; and the other has been explained for you.

And, of course, the BBC does a whole lot more than that!

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35516873)
And with much more eloquency here

The site that TVL tried so many dirty tricks to take down.

The truth is out there, read it Carl. Might open your eyes.
Oh please :rolleyes:

So the system isn't perfect. No-one's ever said it is. So some people like to be damned-awkward just because they can. I have an idea. If people can't co-operate on a voluntary basis, then let's make co-operation with TVL compulsory by law.

Some people advocate a change to paying the TVL through General Taxation. Great. Okay. Then even those without a TV will be paying for it.

Sirius 27-12-2012 21:31
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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35516874)
They would still have to attract new subscribers, though. And they could only do that by producing only the most-popular stuff. So there goes BBC4, for example.

So no, neither subscription nor advertising will allow the BBC to continue in it's current remit.:
Thats not my problem as a tax payer. I want the BBC to move with the times just like all these other companies you keep compering them with have to do. They don't get a tax payout each year they have to perform to get it or they fail. The BBC are just like the old style publicly owned services that could waste money and did not give a toss because they still got there money. The BBC hold there hand out each year and they get there tax money. They then can spend it on programs or waste it on paying off failed members of staff. You can see what they did this year with our tax money :rolleyes:

Osem 27-12-2012 21:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35516873)
And with much more eloquency here

The site that TVL tried so many dirty tricks to take down.

The truth is out there, read it Carl. Might open your eyes.
Wonder how much the Beeb is paying to have someone generate all that hot air?

carlwaring 27-12-2012 21:34
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35516880)
You can see what they did this year with our tax money :rolleyes:
Yes. Exactly the same as every year for the last 80 or so years. All this.

Unfortunately, people do seem to want paying for the work they do :rolleyes:

martyh 27-12-2012 21:35
Re: 'Austerity' at the BBC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35516861)
And there is the problem, you have no choice but pay the tax even if you only use you set to receive other channels.

THAT is why i hate the BBC and i will continue to hate them as long as they do not give you the CHOICE.
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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701 (Post 35516867)
No, it doesn't.
sorry mate but it does , Section 363 of the Communications Act 2003. is quite clear on that

Quote:
A television receiver must not be installed or used unless the installation and use of the receiver is authorised by a licence under this Part.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/part/4

Sirius 27-12-2012 21:36
Re: 'Austerity' at the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35516874)
Then even those without a TV will be paying for it.
It would not surprised if they paid anyway to get the idiots from TVL off there backs.

martyh 27-12-2012 21:39
Re: 'Austerity' at the BBC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35516861)
And there is the problem, you have no choice but pay the tax even if you only use you set to receive other channels.

THAT is why i hate the BBC and i will continue to hate them as long as they do not give you the CHOICE.
Quite agree,maybe the solution is to abolish the tv tax* and fund it out of general taxation .

*The tv licence is classed as a tax ,non payment is a criminal offence so why not just merge it with general taxation .

Sirius 27-12-2012 21:44
Re: 'Austerity' at the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35516887)
Quite agree,maybe the solution is to abolish the tv tax* and fund it out of general taxation .

*The tv licence is classed as a tax ,non payment is a criminal offence so why not just merge it with general taxation .
There is some video on this forum showing the TVL idiots at work.

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35516882)
Yes. Exactly the same as every year for the last 80 or so years. All this.

Unfortunately, people do seem to want paying for the work they do :rolleyes:
Carl if i don't want to use it WHY am i in essence forced to pay for it via this tax ???


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