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I agree hugh on the language the agressive nature if it. I just happened to find it thought wow this gives some figures would be ideal to post. Although I accept its anti reform which I personally not I am anti to the way its descriminating disabled should be to simplify the welfare and make it harder to defraud. I never expected them to wage war on disabled accept that there would be collateral damage.

I felt it was eye opener in some of the stuff in it.

Yes from stand point she going to anti but think she found alot issues.

Hugh did you see this bit I was quite shocked at the figure of appeals gone up not down.

Why has this happened are more chancing there arm due to success rates or ATOS despite government assurances got even more incompetant. This is worry trend surely would thought it would get less this could cause major issues there already huge backlog. If trend going up how much this going to cost.

I was not suprised some those found fit were going to be short term sick maybe those who possible got injuries, recovering from ops would be deemed would make full recovery.

The ones which to me seems strange is the permenant sick group who deemed fit seems a strange issue. Are these then wrongly been assessed in process reclaiming. How can they be permenant sick but not able to qualify ESA.

I just hope the media raises questions which this has brought up.

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Alan keeps talking about tax avoidance (which is perfectly legal), rather than tax evasion (which is illegal).

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So you prefer a system were the rich have everything at the expence of everone and elise and we cannot stop human rights violations in Syria?

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Seriously, you just do not see the big picture, my point is that we should no longer be under control of the rich and pay the price for their mistakes

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If CF users are prepaired to have a go at me, well then I will do the same, I know what you really think aboue me, but if you think that will stop me then you are mistaken, all it will do is I will shout back

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My point is that why is the government not taking a hard line of people like him as well?

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Tax Aviodance and Evasion are both wrong in times of both growth and recession

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Not a problem i will just remove my hearing aid and then that will not work ether.

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anyone else confused by this or is it just me :confused::confused::confused:

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No l get confused all the time.:D

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With respect Hugh, that's what we were trying to do

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found some more figures at present they are going through 1.5m claims.

http://victimsofatoscorruption.wordp...d-fit-to-work/

333.000 are appealing the decision thats alot appeals. The appeal process increased as they expect it to peak at 500,000 next years wow. The costs so far for appeals has been 50m to government. The appeals success is 40% that equates to 200,000 but we cant go by this as it will flucturate batch of losses will reduce likewise the other way.

So as rough safe 150,000 will fail. I would assume as the likely hood its been targeted on scale we will see less and less appeals but then it flies against the expecting 500,000 appeals. I would be suprised they randomly selecting would targeted illnesses they likely to see chances of either it was fake or they not disabled for support.

They concluded from the first 141.000 assessed 37% been found fit for work.

Which means the government very premature with its anouncement if it only had 141,000 figures.

The other I dont like is the mistakes they should do proper assessment with profesionals to minimise those errors.

http://www.dpac.uk.net/2011/05/debbi...-fit-for-work/

This was such horror story mistakes like this can put a disabled person health at risk. Whether the lady filled the form right another question its been noted the questionairres very poorly done its confusing even those who work in organisations who help fill them in. So if these struggling you can imagine issues arise.

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The whole WCA system needs to be looked at and preferably very soon sd the level of appeals is increasing every single day and i do wonder at what point we stop saving any money and start having to spend more money because of the appeals. Having never been through one and hoping to never have too i am guessing they are staffed by at least one person on a decent wage plus the costs of holding it in the first place. Atos are a disgrace in the way they handle the process and if it were in any other area of a company dealing with members of the public there would have been an outcry before now with action to follow.

I think what i worry about most is how this will change the country in terms of attitude as we in the UK have always been a fair minded and tolerent society i would hate to see that go as a result of propaganda from those with complete levels of ignorance.

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totally agree but it wont its going get lot worse. Lots more badness coming if read osbourne todays he said saved 18bn on welfare its not enough further 10bn cuts coming. Now not all will be disabled but thinking the goalpost just got moved.

I will post it as new link on forum its worth its own thread. Not suprising he screwed up theyre now tons on the dole.

He one idiot who cant do his job properly He would'nt need further cuts if stimulated job creation not his stupid workfare. Like alot said his cuts was too deep now we all paying for his damage. His debt gone up again.

If I can find more info about stats on the disabled I will post it. Did you read those links on the other thread quite insight on new thing which will replace DLA its really nasty. Maybe this where dogbourne going to make the 10bn savings.

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Yes i did read them and the information in them was already known and this whole dla replacement is nothing more then a cost cutting exercise. But it is well marketed to the general public by the government "personal independence payment" who would think that could be bad. We need more of the public to read up on it scratch the thin surface and see it for what it is.

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indeed I agree but the propaganda machine been full tilt with full deceit and lies. I agree PIP looks evil twisted bad. I wondering where he going to find another 10bn savings. Suppose really know the PIP slaughter. He forgets even disabled have bills where money going to come to pay them and there extra costs to help improve quality of life.