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I agree that you 100% get rid of abortions, but they should be limited as much as you can. I say this not for relgious reasons, but for ethical and moral reasons!

But no one ask the child if they want to die!

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Yes, and there are limits to when you can abort. So, there's nothing to discuss really, apart from the ridiculous suggestion that you should be able to 'abort' post-birth. I don't think anyone is taking that suggestion seriously.

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The next step in the anti disabled hitler britian.

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:rolleyes:try reading ,it's not real ,it's not proposed and it never will be .It is a acedemic discussion about morals

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I never said it was happening but its sad that some people are thinking about it.

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They are not thinking of it as a proposed course of action, they are thinking of it as a starting point for a discussion.

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well your statement implied otherwise but that's bye the bye .It is being discussed in the same context as discussing when to kill unborn babies which as we know takes place all the time and it is how we arrived at the current abortion laws .As distasteful as these type of subjects are they do get discussed and usually society's morality is the result

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I know that it's not a subject most people wish to really think about, let alone discuss openly. If they do, they will go with the majority and say things like it is evil.
The way I see it is if a child is born with a disability which will affect it all it's life, or is paralised from birth, or a deformity that belongs in a freak show, the person who would give the newly born child an injection sending him/her to sleep is doing a great act of kindness and should be praised for putting an end to a lifetime of misery and suffering. I honestly do not believe that a newly born human baby is aware of anything, it has no memory and that is what makes us who we are. We treat animals with greater kindness than we do with one of our own. We wouldn't let a cat or dog suffer, so why the hell do we make people suffer, even the ones who want to end their lives are not permitted to in the uk and those who help them because they can't stand by and watch a loved one suffer terrible pain, risks being labled a murderer.
I don't agree with puttiing down a healthy baby if it has nothing wrong with it, as for abortions, I can't say one way or another because I don't know enough about it to give an honest opinion. A person who is born with a disability or a deformity must suffer inside every day. Isn't it kinder to stop a life of misery before it starts.

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A brave post django .I will refrain from commenting tonight as i am going to bed shortly but will do so tomorrow.

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What are you thinking; you think it is ok to kill a baby just because it is disabled, are you advocating that Steve Wonder, and many people who achieved great things (despite their disability) should be killed at birth!!! :mad: :td:

No one asks the child if they want to die, or to be aborted, we all suffer bad things in life, some are worse than others, but we should not just kill ourselves and others. Despite this I understand what you mean, but I do not agree with you on this!!!

As for animals, no one asks them if they want to be “put down�

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It is thought provoking subject personally should not be upto the parents. Parants should however get full support for disabled children. Money and profesional help to look after them 24 hours a day. It is grey area if they suffering really badly no person should endure suffering but I feel it should be the individual right if they want to live or die. Which means disabled if they wish should be able to goto arbitory ask to end there life if they in such pain/suffering. It should not be state/parents wish a child should be allowed to make his or her own decision too.

Now thats thought provoking at what age would we say they have the right to decide.

I dont agree with abortion on medical advice it likely to be disabled anybody read previous thread will understand why.

If you dont want the child then fine not against it on grounds you made error cant afford to have a child abort in normal weeks termination. But it should never be due to doc thinks it will be disabled or born disabled. Infact question should parents be told but very grey area though but would in my thoughts stop rash thinking. Howver if there full financial medical/carer support might allay fears for those parents who fear the future would rather abort..

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Discussions all too often are the slippery slopew to action or policy and thats my main objection to debates of this kind also the question of where to draw the line cannot ever be solved to everyones satisfaction we know that no number of further debates is going to alter that. For me it's a slippery slope of another kind we all know superficial people out there who if they were able to abort because of the smallest defect they would and debates like this empower people like that in a tiny way it justifys their way of thinking.

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agreed how the debate welfare alone started now its policy. Its a way to find out national opinion.

Like I said it should not be third party or even parents decision it should be that person alone decision. Until they can make the decision they should be able to grow from baby to day they can decide. Now there is those who cant make that decision due to the disibilty or you cannot gage even what pain they suffering that I cant decide. It would be calious either way. problem I have is mistakes are made.

There been cases of people who been coma been told they brain dead yet come out of it.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/358209...ronounced-doa/

So the question is can you trust what is being told is right for your loved ones. this man they was going to pull the plug.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...markable-story

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Actually, there's plenty to discuss precisely because the original suggestion was not supposed to be taken seriously - or, at least, it wasn't supposed to be the start of a campaign for a change in policy on abortion. So far as I can see, it was a theoretical, academic discussion designed to focus thought on the ethics of abortion and the definition of personhood. At the heart of it was the argument that by a common and widely accepted definition of personhood, post-natal abortion is logically just as ethical as pre-natal abortion.

If you offer moral and logical reasons why abortion should every be acceptable under any circumstances, then you should have morally and logically consistent reasons why you draw the time limit where you do.

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The child and the mother both figure in this equation. Which is worse: killing a child or counselling a victim of crime?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but current 'cutoffs' for abortion are not set according to a definition of personhood but rather on viability of existence outside the womb?


That is a highly subjective question, and the 'obvious' answer depends very much on the semantics of how the question is posed. Suffice to say though, that at short notice, my sympathies are firmly with the mother.