Re: Government withdraws funding for schools that teach Creationism
 

Clarifying, the Creationism causing issues here was I believe young Earth creationism. Hardcore cosmology isn't anywhere in the syllabus and what caused the Big Bang is something we don't make any solid claims on understanding.

When the heads of both the Anglican and Catholic denominations agree Genesis is allegory not theory it seems fair for me to defer to them :)

I would run with the same thoughts on the other world religions too. There is simply too much evidence opposing YEC to consider it anything else and those trying to present it as in any way scientific are, at very best, doing themselves a disservice.

Re: Government withdraws funding for schools that teach Creationism
 

Agreed.

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but it makes him feel warm and fuzzy ,if you listen carefully you can hear him purring like a cat ;)

Re: Government withdraws funding for schools that teach Creationism
 

Opinions are like butt-holes remember....

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I see a difference between Creationism and youth Earth Creationism, I favour the former.

Selectively deferring to them then :angel:

You appear to be comparing evidence with belief/theory - I'm not a supporter of Creationism being taught in favour of or replacing science. In fact I don't know of anyone who had that at school (other than the essential atheist collective who will happily tell us the same tales of wild-eyed schoolmasters 'demanding' they believe every word of the bible.....).

Re: Government withdraws funding for schools that teach Creationism
 

As long as it is taught as part of religious studies.

I.e. Some religions believe this, but it's bollocks

THEN, there's nothing wrong with it.

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Theory?

As in unsupported idea theory, or scientific theory?

The two are very different.

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Before anyone spouts out that evolution is a just theory etc, etc blah blah.

Read this first.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

Re: Government withdraws funding for schools that teach Creationism
 

You're the only one who has mentioned it - in fact I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone on CF suggest that.

Re: Government withdraws funding for schools that teach Creationism
 

Nah not really.

Any institution teaching the Accelerated Christian Education curriculum teaches YEC. There are about 50 of those.

Independent Islamic schools, amongst others, will likewise be teaching YEC.

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Absolutely. Anyone who defers to anyone or anything completely either has profound disabilities and is forced to do so by these or is a waste of grey matter. :)

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I have. Completely with quotes from Answers in Genesis as I remember.

No matter.

Re: Government withdraws funding for schools that teach Creationism
 

Neither you or I know enough about teachings in Islamic schools to be able to comment with any authority ;)


Indeed no matter - clearly I was talking about proponents commenting on it.

Re: Government withdraws funding for schools that teach Creationism
 

You forget that I'm a member of an organisation that actively campaigns against such things in state schools and have actively campaigned against faith schools and against teaching of creationism in state funded schools, alongside changing of the inspection regime for all schools, independent and state, hence have a few bits of knowledge on the matter more widely :)

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Said poster was most definitely a proponent of YEC and raised arguments straight out of the AIG playbook to try and undermine the mass of scientific evidence behind evolution and the old Earth model.

This was years ago though. This site has been around a while.

Re: Government withdraws funding for schools that teach Creationism
 

As long as you remember it just your opinion that it's a theory ;)

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Said organisation is unbiased and 100% neutral then? ;)

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Of course it's my opinion, who else's opinion would I be giving??

Re: Government withdraws funding for schools that teach Creationism
 

Should it be?

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:banghead: :disturbd:

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to every one else its a myth ,"a widely held but false belief or idea."

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Nope, of course not, but that's the good thing about statements of fact backed with evidence from source, it leaves little room for bias, especially when stating something so binary.

If the criteria for something being considered a 'fact' is that it's presented by an organisation with no bias that's 100% neutral we can pretty much disregard all information presented by a campaign.

If you think the BHA are factually inaccurate I'd highly recommend you let them know. The schools named as using Creationist curricula seem fine with it though given none of them have taken any kind of legal action regarding what would, clearly, be a case of defamation.