Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35273347)

Because they have signed carriage agreements with them and also because of Ofcoms intervention which was because of Skys distorted market power.

Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273214)

Source?

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35273361)

This is true, VM put a list of things to happen on the Community Forum a while back, Sky have changed their commercial agreement, to allow VM's TiVo to show it's programmes in the video window within the EPG.

Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273363)

So virginmedia can use BT's network in some areas, can have access to content sky fought hard to get, but it doesnt need to let anyone use any of its own assets?

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35273365)

What are you talking about? :confused:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35273368)

Nothing thats adds anything useful to the discussion.

Originally Posted by zantarous (Post 35273381)

What do you mean fought hard to get? Sky doesn't just give its content away, VM, BT and Talk Talk pay for that content.

BT was built by the tax payer VM was built using private money, they haven't even paid back the initial investment.

Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273378)

Can anyone answer

Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273383)

Sky was built with private money but its still FORCED to give VM its content. Why isnt VM forced to open its network. In a fair world sky keeps its channels OFF virginmedia and VM keeps its network closed.

Originally Posted by davidthornton (Post 35273390)

It's OpenReach's network, owned by BT Group. Originally a state monopoly. Any qualifying telecom company can access it, provided they meet the criteria. That includes BT Retail, Sky, Virgin Media, IDnet telecom, TalkTalk and many others. All of these, if they meet the criteria, can offer many Wholesale products offered by OpenReach including ADSL, LLU ADSL, FTTC and telephony.

Ask OFCOM and the Competition Commision. Sky don't have to supply all their content to anyone. They chose to supply some of it because it makes commercial sense to sell it via multiple sources. They don't currently offer Sky Atlantic but in the future they may well do.

Virgin Media doesn't have a monopoly on anything. Here's an article about Sky Sports appearing on BT Vision. Sky have the monopoly on some sport so they are prevented from only selling it via their own delivery system (i.e. Sky Digital Satellite TV) because if they weren't they could use their sports acquistions as a hook to get more customers to sign up for their delivery system. OFCOM consider it sensible for there to be multiple viable delivery systems of media in the UK.

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Sky isn't forced to sell (i.e. not give) all of its content to anyone it doesn't wish to sell it to. Sky Atlantic is an example. However Sky doesn't own some content (e.g. Premiership Football). It simply has the rights to air it and the conditions of anyone owning those rights is that it has to sell it to delivery platforms, including ones it doesn't own, at a fair price. It doesn't have to sell its movie channels to Virgin Media but it choses to do so because it make commercial sense.

Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273397)

Like I said why doesnt Virginmedia allow sky access to its network.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35273400)

Because it is a network that has been paid for out of its own money and Sky do not own their own broadband network but rents it.

Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273397)

Like I said why doesnt Virginmedia allow sky access to its network.

Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273403)

So why cant sky rent VM's network space?

Originally Posted by davidthornton (Post 35273404)

Virgin Media is not obliged to allow anyone to access it's telecom and broadband network because it is not a monopoly. OpenReach is obliged to offer service, through a telecom provider, to anyone in the UK at a fair price. The network has a monopoly on service. That is why OpenReach and BT Retail were seperated and the OpenReach network was opened up to other telecom providers. The network was originally funded largely by the tax payer.

Virgin Media, in contrast, has built a telecoms network, funded privately, in selected regions of the UK. It is not obliged to offer service to anyone within those areas because it is not a monopoly unlike OpenReach. It doesn't offer any other telecoms company access to its telecom network because OFCOM doesn't mandate that it must. The same applies to Kingston Communications in Hull.