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Re: Poppy-burning: What a disgrace

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35122361)

So because he's a nut job I'm to blame for quoting him? you know for certain that it's not true?
where in Shahid's statement does he say that it's not true for all Muslims?
don't many muslims have different opinions of things as it is, where some may believe one thing is forbidden, and the rest think it's not?

Dewsbury MP Shahid Malik, the Governments first-ever Muslim minister, said: As patron of the Royal British Legion in Dewsbury Ill be selling poppies in the town centre this Saturday. I think its really important to remember the freedoms we enjoy come at a price and sometimes the ultimate price.
The truth is that no matter what your background, we all must remember that people died for this country and the freedoms we hold dear and that is why Im proud to wear my poppy.

He's not a nut job so we take what he says as being true, and for all. as far as I can tell he is speaking for himself. and he suggests.

and this part that Hugh put in his post was not said by either. it was said by the person who wrote the article.
However, other Muslims in Britain so not share the same opinion.

Of course I do.

Isn't it strange, Gary, how you only promote and quote the views about Muslims that are negative, and don't seem to understand why other posters get bothered about your inability to see both sides of the story?

You seem to only quote the "nut jobs" that support your negative views, and then caveat and question the validity of any other Muslim who propounds reasonable, pro-Western, anti-terrorist views, saying things like

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where in Shahid's statement does he say that it's not true for all Muslims?

You seem to have one rule of validity and certitude for statements by extremists (they are true and represent the views of most Muslims) and another for moderates (how do we know they represent the views of most Muslims, they might just be their own views).

Re: Poppy-burning: What a disgrace

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35122425)

Isn't it strange, Gary, how you only promote and quote the views about Muslims that are negative,

It's stranger that I didn't know I did, and that you say I do.

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and don't seem to understand why other posters get bothered about your inability to see both sides of the story?

Are you doing that making an army thing again?

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You seem to only quote the "nut jobs" that support your negative views, and then caveat and question the validity of any other Muslim who propounds reasonable, pro-Western, anti-terrorist views, saying things like You seem to have one rule of validity and certitude for statements by extremists (they are true and represent the views of most Muslims) and another for moderates (how do we know they represent the views of most Muslims, they might just be their own views).

What?

Hugh, I have made valid points in regards to your earlier accusations and criticisms. and you have not questioned or answered one of them. all you have done in reply is made more accusations and criticisms.

Re: Poppy-burning: What a disgrace

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35122369)

You're a shining wit, though, I'll give you that. ;)

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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35122372)

Did you misspell that.:D

Perhaps a close (unintended) spoonerism... :erm:

Re: Poppy-burning: What a disgrace

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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35122438)

Perhaps a close (unintended) spoonerism... :erm:

No I knew what he meant in the first place.;):p:

Re: Poppy-burning: What a disgrace

Kids claiming to be terrorists.

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The 12-year-old yobs threatened to attack terrified Darius Gill, 13, with knuckle dusters and knives in revenge for not supporting Islamic extremists.
The chilling threats came hours after Darius – whose father is Asian – posted a touching tribute to the thousands of squaddies who have lost their lives defending Britain.
But a gang of pupils at Sidney Stringer Academy in Coventry – a predominantly Muslim area – expressed outrage at Darius’ patriotism.
One message – littered with spelling mistakes – said: ”Fight on Monday gonna be heavy knuckle dusters nd knifes hopefully I don’t die.”
His pal added: ”ill bang him ma slef am a terrorist.”
One of the thugs also posted a chilling picture of himself holding a rifle.
Shockingly, other pupils – who have set up a Muslim Defence League which celebrates British deaths in Afghanistan – also added comments condemning Daruis.
Fortunately Darius’ mother Clare Allington read the comments on Monday morning – the day of the promised attack – and immediately pulled her son out of school.

Facebook is evil. I wonder if they would have carried out the threats?

http://swns.com/muslim-schoolboys-ex...te-171117.html

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Any bullying is out of order, and threatening use of weapons should lead to exclusion (it did at my kid's secondary school).

Mrs Allington doesn't seem to have a lot of luck with schools..... Link

Re: Poppy-burning: What a disgrace

definately doing her son a favour pulling him from that school if that is the standard of spelling the pupils have

Re: Poppy-burning: What a disgrace

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35123585)

Any bullying is out of order, and threatening use of weapons should lead to exclusion (it did at my kid's secondary school).

Mrs Allington doesn't seem to have a lot of luck with schools..... Link

If the allegations are true then I don't really think. the term "bullying" quite fits. And if someone is willing to knife another then I doubt threatening to exclude them from school would dissuade them much.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35123585)

Any bullying is out of order, and threatening use of weapons should lead to exclusion (it did at my kid's secondary school).

I think in this case it's a few hundred steps past the bullying catagory.

Re: Poppy-burning: What a disgrace

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35123530)

Kids claiming to be terrorists.

Facebook is evil. I wonder if they would have carried out the threats?

http://swns.com/muslim-schoolboys-ex...te-171117.html

that's one disturbing article .
question is -is it an isolated problem or the norm ?

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35123600)

definately doing her son a favour pulling him from that school if that is the standard of spelling the pupils have

That was the first thing that crossed my mind.;)

Did anyone ever search the little miscreants at the time to see what weapons they were carrying?Or was it all talk?

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Johnstone doesn't have a huge muslim population so I'd imagine this was a result of some home-grown half-wits. :mad:

http://www.paisleydailyexpress.co.uk...7085-27666590/

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SICK neds were blasted yesterday after they torched Remembrance Day poppy wreaths laid down to honour Britain’s brave war dead.

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What's a ned? I'm guessing its slang for something but seems odd to see it used in print.

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Scottish word for chav. Non Educated Delinquent

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Originally Posted by punky (Post 35123666)

What's a ned? I'm guessing its slang for something but seems odd to see it used in print.

Scottish chavs.