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Damien 10-11-2010 19:09
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35120499)
I don't like the idea of fees, but at least they have not gone with all of the proposals from the Browne Review (a review set up by the previous Government), such as e.g. unlimited fees. They're also increasing the repayment threshold, making it much fairer than the stupidly low threshold set by the previous Government.

By the way, how would you propose that the Government funded things if it kept tuition fees at their current level?
Don't cut University funding would be a good start.

Hugh 10-11-2010 19:11
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
Could I also point out (as I have before) that the £3.3k that the students pay the Uni's (mostly initially funded by HMG/taxpayer on student loans) is not the total given to the institutions - most Uni's get between £3k and £7k per student (depending on the course) as the teaching grant, with additional money for Capital Projects (this of course doesn't count the money loaned on Accommodation Loans, about another £3k funded mostly by HMG/taxpayer) - so the total amount per student per year costs HMG/taxpayer between £9k and £13k, with currently approx £6k per year to be paid back over 10-30 years.

That's why there is a funding shortfall.

danielf 10-11-2010 19:14
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35120503)
Could I also point out (as I have before) that the £3.3k that the students pay the Uni's (mostly initially funded by HMG/taxpayer on student loans) is not the total given to the institutions - most Uni's get between £3k and £7k per student (depending on the course) as the teaching grant, with additional money for Capital Projects (this of course doesn't count the money loaned on Accommodation Loans, about another £3k funded mostly by HMG/taxpayer) - so the total amount per student per year costs HMG/taxpayer between £9k and £13k, with currently approx £6k per year to be paid back over 10-30 years.

That's why there is a funding shortfall.
Yes, but fees are going up to compensate for an 80% cut in teaching grants (excluding Science and Medicine if I am not mistaken).

martyh 10-11-2010 19:16
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35120498)
Oh I'm sorry I obviously somehow got a tone of negativity against students from that post.If that wasn't your intention I apologise.

I'm merely asking for everyone to keep this story in proportion.;)
accepted , i'm only negative towards the idiots that that think smashing windows will win the argument ,because of this students that want to get their point accross in a grown up fashion will have to work alot harder or they will just be ignored as "the bloody rioting students "

Hugh 10-11-2010 19:38
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35120504)
Yes, but fees are going up to compensate for an 80% cut in teaching grants (excluding Science and Medicine if I am not mistaken).
Yup - STEM subjects (Science, Technology, Engineering, Maths).

The point I was trying to make is that everyone goes on about £3k per year, when in fact the true cost is a multiple of that (and someone has to pay it - should it be the student or the taxpayer, or a mixture?).

georgepomone 10-11-2010 19:41
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I find this figure of 24 a bit off track. At one point there were over two hundred wrecking the foyer of Millbank. It wasn't just a few windows broken they completely wrecked the foyer. So we will be footing the bill for that. They said there were similar numbers on the roof.
I feel sorry for those students that have nothing to do with this. As is said they will be tarred with the same brush.I would guess there will be more rules now about protest marches.

Hom3r 10-11-2010 19:57
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35120501)
Don't cut University funding would be a good start.

Thats the tories for you, and I wonder how many will vote lib-dems next time.

Hugh 10-11-2010 21:02
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35120549)
Thats the tories for you, and I wonder how many will vote lib-dems next time.
Could have sworn it was the Labour Government who commissioned the Browne Report.....

And remind me who introduced tuition fees and top-up fees?

beeman 10-11-2010 21:03
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35120529)
Yup - STEM subjects (Science, Technology, Engineering, Maths).

The point I was trying to make is that everyone goes on about £3k per year, when in fact the true cost is a multiple of that (and someone has to pay it - should it be the student or the taxpayer, or a mixture?).
It should bee both as the country as a whole benifits from a well educated workforce but with the biggest beniffitter (is that a word?) ie the student, paying the most 60-70% IMHO

Tezcatlipoca 10-11-2010 21:13
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35120583)
Could have sworn it was the Labour Government who commissioned the Browne Report.....
Yup.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35120583)
And remind me who introduced tuition fees and top-up fees?
Ooh, me me! I know :)

Tuition fees: Labour

Top-up fees (despite a previous Manifesto pledge against them): Labour


:D

Sirius 10-11-2010 21:17
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
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Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35120589)
Yup.



Ooh, me me! I know :)

Tuition fees: Labour

Top-up fees (despite a previous Manifesto pledge against them): Labour


:D
Amazing how quickly people forget isn't it :)

Cobbydaler 10-11-2010 21:20
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
From the pictures I've seen there were a lot of people waving SWP banners.

My bet's on 'activists' causing most of the damage/violent behaviour, not true students and lecturers... :shrug:

Derek 10-11-2010 21:21
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35120583)
Could have sworn it was the Labour Government who commissioned the Browne Report.....

And remind me who introduced tuition fees and top-up fees?
Oi! What have I told you before about bringing facts into things! :D

nomadking 10-11-2010 21:25
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by beeman (Post 35120584)
It should bee both as the country as a whole benifits from a well educated workforce but with the biggest beniffitter (is that a word?) ie the student, paying the most 60-70% IMHO
If they're meant to end up being that well educated, how come there are big shortages in important skills(science & engineering) and complaints from employers about graduate skills.

Arthurgray50@blu 10-11-2010 21:54
Re: Students Rioting in London.
 
When you think some of these students will go on to be Doctors and Lawyers, but they will bein debt for the rest of there lives, due to to the increase in fee's.

The government has gone back on there word, and this happened with the poll tax, another Tory tax that brought the worst riots l ghave ever seen in London in my lieftime.

The students rallied to protest against fees that they will have to pay - what happened was a riot in London, which was totally wrong.


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