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Gary L

01-10-2010 16:26

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35101728)

And the difference in those scenarios is that he would have been a danger to others, rather than an inconvenience.

Why would he be a danger to anyone?

It wouldn't have been allowed to happen if it were next week. and it wouldn't have lasted near as long if it were in London.

next week is the Cons conference.

Stephen

01-10-2010 16:32

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

It would last as long as needed no matter where and when it was.

Look at the Raol Moat case, the Police took their time and tried to talk him down but ultimately he was a danger to others and himself.

I don't know your age but you don't seem to have much of a social understanding or common sense when it comes to certain situations or events.

Lord Nikon

01-10-2010 16:35

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35101708)

And while he sees such air bag being set up, decides to jump before it can be pumped with air and put in situ, you cannot just rush in to this with stupid and totally insensitive ideas about pushing people over railings or shooting people with bloody taser guns. People's lives were disrupted for a day or so (No big deal at the end of the day when you talking about a Human Life) and noone had to lose their lives because of it.

A Taser is a method of non-lethal restraint designed to immobilize by affecting the central nervous system. Like I said, get him down on the ground, then to a safer location then deal with the psychological issues, to get someone into an environment where they are no longer a threat to themselves or others is hardly a bloody stupid idea. Especially given it was reasonably evident he was only seeking attention anyway.

Remember this Mick, those who are serious about suicide don't tell anyone, don't threaten to jump, they simply do it. This guy threatened for 29 hours, at least part of the time he was on the 'safe' side of the railings. This gives opportunities to restrain him, tasering him would have put him on the ground, therefore not likely to hop the railings when the cop approached, hardly a stupid idea really is it?

(Incidentally Mick, if I may go off topic for a moment - your PM system seems to be disabled currently or I would have sent this message via PM rather than in the forum, however as you are posting as a member and not as a mod / admin I am taking this to mean I am welcome to disagree with your opinion)

Gary L

01-10-2010 16:46

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35101736)

It would last as long as needed no matter where and when it was.

That's just assumption on your part though. you may be wrong.

I mean if it was on the popes route last week. do you think they'd tell him he'll have to wait till tomorrow?

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I don't know your age but you don't seem to have much of a social understanding or common sense when it comes to certain situations or events.

I'm of the age to have a clear understanding. Stephen.

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Originally Posted by Lord Nikon (Post 35101740)

Remember this Mick, those who are serious about suicide don't tell anyone, don't threaten to jump, they simply do it. This guy threatened for 29 hours, at least part of the time he was on the 'safe' side of the railings. This gives opportunities to restrain him, tasering him would have put him on the ground, therefore not likely to hop the railings when the cop approached, hardly a stupid idea really is it?

I think that's the thing. the 29 hours it took. if it had been just a few hours then nobody would be asking questions.

and I strongly agree with what you said about the serious suicide people.

Chris

01-10-2010 16:48

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

I'm astounded by the number of armchair coppers on this forum. Or are some of you in fact experienced in Police work, specifically in negotiating techniques?

This is a very specialised and difficult field. I would very much like to know who here actually knows what they're talking about.

:)

Lord Nikon

01-10-2010 16:51

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

When a friend of mine's husband committed suicide he did it in private, where no-one would know and no-one would be able to stop him.

Mick	01-10-2010 17:00

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

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Originally Posted by Lord Nikon (Post 35101740)

Remember this Mick, those who are serious about suicide don't tell anyone, don't threaten to jump, they simply do it.

Completely wrong - That is just a Myth.

Samaritans site says the following:-

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MYTH: People who talk about suicide aren’t really serious and not likely to actually kill themselves.

FACT: People who kill themselves have often told someone that they do not feel life is worth living or that they have no future. Some may have actually said they want to die. Whilst it may be the case that some people talk about suicide as a way of getting the attention they need, it is very important that everyone who says they feel suicidal be treated seriously.

http://www.samaritans.org/your_emoti...t_suicide.aspx

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Originally Posted by Lord Nikon

(Incidentally Mick, if I may go off topic for a moment - your PM system seems to be disabled currently or I would have sent this message via PM rather than in the forum, however as you are posting as a member and not as a mod / admin I am taking this to mean I am welcome to disagree with your opinion)

You know I have my PM system off from time to time in which case you have e-mailed in before now, if you cannot get hold of me, you complained about this to another team member before and just so you know, I am quite entitled to have my PM system turned off. Also note that you can disagree with me just as much as I can disagree with you, I have never said/done anything to the contrary.

Hugh	01-10-2010 17:03

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35101732)

Why would he be a danger to anyone?

It wouldn't have been allowed to happen if it were next week. and it wouldn't have lasted near as long if it were in London.

next week is the Cons conference.

The alternative scenarios you mentioned involved rape or shooting - are those not a danger to someone?

Gary L

01-10-2010 17:06

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35101758)

Completely wrong - That is just a Myth.

Samaritans site says the following:-

In this case though. do people think he was serious or after attention?

if people think he was serious, then you have to ask, he still didn't want to do it after 29 hours. and if it wasn't for the fact that he got tired and was 'grabbed' he may have been really serious about jumping for another 29 hours.

it's a bit unfortunate that he's been charged with 'public nuisance'

Mick	01-10-2010 17:06

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

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Originally Posted by Lord Nikon (Post 35101753)

When a friend of mine's husband committed suicide he did it in private, where no-one would know and no-one would be able to stop him.

Well that doesn't mean it is the same in every case - every suicide or potential suicide case is unique.

Gary L

01-10-2010 17:07

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35101759)

The alternative scenarios you mentioned involved rape or shooting - are those not a danger to someone?

He's already done them. he doesn't have the gun on him.

TheDaddy

01-10-2010 17:14

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35101758)

Completely wrong - That is just a Myth.

Samaritans site says the following.

Not completely wrong, The Samaritans say often, not always.

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Originally Posted by Gary L
it's a bit unfortunate that he's been charged with 'public nuisance'

I disagree, why should so many people have their lives disrupted because of the actions of one man, I doubt anyone has anything but sympathy for people at their lowest ebb however that goes out of the window for me when you have people chucking themselves under tube trains and the like having seen the trauma the drivers go through.

Mick	01-10-2010 17:25

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35101768)

Not completely wrong, The Samaritans say often, not always.

It is still wrong to say that people who talk about suicide don't go through with it. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Thanks for displaying any true lack of any understanding for people suffering from severe mental health issues, just so you can carry on living your trivial selfish life. :dozey:

Maggy

01-10-2010 17:27

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35101768)

Not completely wrong, The Samaritans say often, not always.

I disagree, why should so many people have their lives disrupted because of the actions of one man, I doubt anyone has anything but sympathy for people at their lowest ebb however that goes out of the window for me when you have people chucking themselves under tube trains and the like having seen the trauma the drivers go through.

That's a bit harsh..What about the disruptions that people suffer when accidents occur.Shouldn't we still have sympathy for anyone injured under those circumstances? If you substitute mental illness for injury why should the circumstances be any different?Surely someone threatening to suicide count as mentally ill?So isn't disruption a small price to pay under the circumstances? :erm:

TheDaddy

01-10-2010 17:31

Re: Man arrested after 29 hours on Birmingham bridge

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35101779)

It is still wrong to say that people who talk about suicide don't go through with it. :rolleyes:

Nice use of the smillie there, it wasn't me that said some one was completely wrong only to be contradicted by their own link.

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Thanks for displaying any true lack of any understanding for people suffering from severe mental health issues, just so you can carry on living your trivial selfish life. :dozey:

Oh right I am being selfish because I don't like seeing friends traumatised just doing there jobs and in one case unable to return to work because of it and I wouldn't call what they go through trivial either.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35101780)

Would they have charged him if they genuinly thought he was mentally ill?

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