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Zee 18-09-2010 18:10
Re: Muslims going too far
 
You created this cheap thread, yet you have so far posted no link. seems to me like you're trying to stir some rubbish up, and anyway, why should have not have the right to request the name be changed? whats the problem with that?

Stuart 18-09-2010 18:11
Re: Muslims going too far
 
Well, seeing as the only article I can find online that "backs up" what Arthur says, I'll comment on that.

Yes, Mecca Bingo has been around since the 60s, but Mecca, the city, has been around since either (depending on who you beleive) 2000BC or 5AD (we are currently in 2010AD). As such, it has existed for anywhere between 2,005 and 4,005 years.

There is little evidence it was called "Mecca" before 5AD, but whichever is true, it has been around a little longer than Mecca Bingo.

Now, in that article, the company changed the name. That's their choice.

It's also worth remembering that until a few weeks before the protest, the bingo hall was actually called "Top Rank", and was only renamed "Mecca" as Rank decided to bring all their bingo halls under one brand. As such, any attempt to rename it "Mecca" *could* be legitimately seen as an insult to Muslims, many of whom were probably born in the area.

I would say the same if Boots renamed a shop selling Condoms in a largely Catholic area as "Vatican".

Sirius 18-09-2010 18:15
Re: Muslims going too far
 
The problem here is that as is the norm Arthur posts total crap then :sulk: away to leave the rest of the forum debating what COULD be complete lies or hearsay. Arthur's posts tend to have a racial slant which are just this side of being racist if you see what i mean.

martyh 18-09-2010 18:18
Re: Muslims going too far
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35093796)
Well, seeing as the only article I can find online that "backs up" what Arthur says, I'll comment on that.

Yes, Mecca Bingo has been around since the 60s, but Mecca, the city, has been around since either (depending on who you beleive) 2000BC or 5AD (we are currently in 2010AD). As such, it has existed for anywhere between 2,005 and 4,005 years.

There is little evidence it was called "Mecca" before 5AD, but whichever is true, it has been around a little longer than Mecca Bingo.

Now, in that article, the company changed the name. That's their choice.

It's also worth remembering that until a few weeks before the protest, the bingo hall was actually called "Top Rank", and was only renamed "Mecca" as Rank decided to bring all their bingo halls under one brand. As such, any attempt to rename it "Mecca" *could* be legitimately seen as an insult to Muslims, many of whom were probably born in the area.

I would say the same if Boots renamed a shop selling Condoms in a largely Catholic area as "Vatican".
yes but Mecca has a double meaning doesn't it ,not only as a place name sacred to Muslims but but also meaning a gathering place ,so i don't think any muslim has any right to be offended at a company using Mecca as a name

Stuart 18-09-2010 18:24
Re: Muslims going too far
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35093800)
yes but Mecca has a double meaning doesn't it ,not only as a place name sacred to Muslims but but also meaning a gathering place ,so i don't think any muslim has any right to be offended at a company using Mecca as a name
It does, but it still seems insulting to name a gambling club in an area with a lot of Muslims "Mecca".

I suspect that the acceptance of Mecca meaning a gathering place probably comes from the fact that a lot of Muslims gather at Mecca as well.

martyh 18-09-2010 18:35
Re: Muslims going too far
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35093809)
It does, but it still seems insulting to name a gambling club in an area with a lot of Muslims "Mecca".

I suspect that the acceptance of Mecca meaning a gathering place probably comes from the fact that a lot of Muslims gather at Mecca as well.
then assuming that the original post in this thread is based on a current story and not one from Arthurs childhood then why complain now ...bloody hell this thread is going right down the road of conjecture and supposition

Chris 18-09-2010 18:50
Re: Muslims going too far
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35093796)
I would say the same if Boots renamed a shop selling Condoms in a largely Catholic area as "Vatican".
We don't acknowledge territories in that way in the UK though (with the exception of certain small areas of Northern Ireland, and that's an extreme case).

The UK and its neighbourhoods are for everybody, not just groups of people with common interests or beliefs that happen to live in the same street. If Mecca Bingo has survived without protest for 50 years, then it has a heritage of acceptance in the UK and should be allowed to open wherever it wants, subject to the usual planning and licensing laws.

A Vatican-branded condom shop isn't really an equivalent as an example though; there is currently no such brand and an attempt to create one and place it in the Bogside would naturally be regarded as inflammatory and unhelpful.

Hugh 18-09-2010 18:54
Re: Muslims going too far
 
A) the story is bolleaux, as usual from Arthur (but willing to be proven otherwise)
B) it's an established brand name; get over it, move on, and worry about real issues

papa smurf 18-09-2010 18:57
Re: Muslims going too far
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35093832)
A) the story is bolleaux, as usual from Arthur (but willing to be proven otherwise)
B) it's an established brand name; get over it, move on, and worry about real issues
c Arthur's had us all dangling on a string again :D

Stuart 18-09-2010 19:00
Re: Muslims going too far
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35093829)
We don't acknowledge territories in that way in the UK though (with the exception of certain small areas of Northern Ireland, and that's an extreme case).
We may not acknowledge them, but they exist.

Quote:
The UK and its neighbourhoods are for everybody, not just groups of people with common interests or beliefs that happen to live in the same street. If Mecca Bingo has survived without protest for 50 years, then it has a heritage of acceptance in the UK and should be allowed to open wherever it wants, subject to the usual planning and licensing laws.
Mecca Bingo has existed for 50 years, true, but it's entirely possible that they only existed in areas without large numbers of Muslims.

That doesn't change the fact that it was Rank who voluntarily changed the name, and they weren't actually forced to.

Quote:
A Vatican-branded condom shop isn't really an equivalent as an example though; there is currently no such brand and an attempt to create one and place it in the Bogside would naturally be regarded as inflammatory and unhelpful.
I was looking for an example that would cause offence. I suspect most Catholics wouldn't be too bothered if a company opened up a Vatican branded condom shop in a non-Catholic area (if they even knew about it) in much the same way that I suspect most Muslims don't give a fig about a Mecca Bingo hall in a non-Muslim area.

martyh 18-09-2010 19:03
Re: Muslims going too far
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35093834)
c Arthur's had us all dangling on a string again :D
you see ,now i feel used :dozey:

Maggy 18-09-2010 20:19
Re: Muslims going too far
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35093798)
The problem here is that as is the norm Arthur posts total crap then :sulk: away to leave the rest of the forum debating what COULD be complete lies or hearsay. Arthur's posts tend to have a racial slant which are just this side of being racist if you see what i mean.
The answer is simple.Don't participate in Arthur's threads.;)

Sirius 18-09-2010 21:15
Re: Muslims going too far
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35093879)
The answer is simple.Don't participate in Arthur's threads.;)
But if everyone did that there would be none of his threads challenged :)

basa 18-09-2010 21:33
Re: Muslims going too far
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35093798)
The problem here is that as is the norm Arthur posts total crap then :sulk: away to leave the rest of the forum debating what COULD be complete lies or hearsay. Arthur's posts tend to have a racial slant which are just this side of being racist if you see what i mean.
I do get very confused :dozey:

When anyone criticises people from a non British origin or a non Christian religious persuasion it is automatically described as racist (or if very astute religious hatred).

But if the criticism is of the British or the Christian religion it isn't a race or religious hate :confused:

Erm - how does that work?? :confused:

Hom3r 18-09-2010 21:36
Re: Muslims going too far
 
Found this about medina,

http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/06/09/...g-danish-diva/

still looking for other link


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