Re: France expels its gypsies
 

I think you will find they are Travellers, not Gipsies (there is a difference).

Re: France expels its gipsies
 

Thanks for that valuable input Escapee.

My earlier link regarding the treatment of Romanian gypsies in Northern Ireland by British Loyalists seems to have escaped your notice.

It is clear that Romany gypsies, whether in France, Belfast or wherever are fair game as far as certain British xenophobes are concerned. That you would extend your offer in relation to Irish gypsies speaks volumes about the ongoing persecution that these people are subjected to.

Cheers.

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I think not.

Notwithstanding the fact that the context which you quoted above has been superceded by the "Right of Residence" as defined in COM/99/0127 which afforded the right of residence even to those who were / are not economically active the core issue here is "or have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. The Member States may not specify a minimum amount which they deem sufficient, but they must take account of personal circumstances".

Simples - it is a loophole - but an entirely legal constitutional loophole which France has subscribed to. On that premise the Romany are entitled to be there and France is duty bound to accomodate their being there.

I believe I stated "The UNICEF report which I linked to, together with various other quantifiable sources - somewhat more enlightened than your opinion on the matter - clearly identify persecution as a systemic issue as far as Roma gypsies are concerned." Perhaps you could help me by pointing out any specific reference to France therein by me?

Nor does it mean they should be treated just as badly, or worse, in France.

That would be a rather opinion based argument - and given as highlighted above that there is now a right to residence for the economically inactive - a flawed one at that. Perhaps equally, or indeed more, important is the failure of the host state (in this case France) to honour it's responsibilities by letting people live in squalor / shanty villages.

See below.

Has any of this happened to you personally or are you just hypothesizing / generalizing again?

Yes it is, which begs the question of why you are so worried if you are "not xenophobic".

It's "hundreds of miles away" again, what are you so worried about?

Sorry, run that "It's not xenophobic" by me again....

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

I am sure it would be politically more incorrect to refer to the group as travellers, when in fact they refer to themselves as Gypsies.

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My valuable input as you call it, is probably the same view as that of the majority in this country. Gypsies or whatever they call themselves should not set up camp where ever they take a fancy, I say good on countries who unlike the UK have the goolies to do something about it.

I think you will find little support of your sympathy from the working class tax payers in this country.

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

Escapee, there's absolutely no need for you to essentially repeat what I said.

You are, of course, assuming I am offering "sympathy" rather than an objective and factually based viewpoint. I should point out that nowhere in this thread have I mooted sympathy, it's something you appear to have imagined my having done - but if it helped get something of your chest I'm glad.

By the way, now that I have your attention, in the benefits cheat thread here in post number 130 you mentioned that you were "recently told a minimum and maximum figure for an alcoholic by what I would consider a trusty source. (Employed in a position where they would be expected to know the answer)".

I notice that you never elaborated on the statement. If it's not too much bother could you revist the thread and post the figures and the "trusty source" details?

Thanks old chap.

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

As there was no reply to my post in the benefit cheats thread, I did not post because I assumed no one was interested. On this forum that is usually the case when there are people who know the answer but the answer doesn't fit in with their political agenda.

I am unable to answer the minimum and maximum figure, because the reality is that there is no answer. Whilst an alcoholic receiving this extra benefits usually gets a maximum of approx £20 a week extra in benefits, they can by discretion be given more than this. Hence the reason I cannot answer what the upper limit is, although some claimants locally are reputedly receiving up to £80 a week for alcohol dependency.

I wonder why you ask in this thread though, you could have sent a PM and asked me to update the original thread instead of taking this thread off topic.

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

I didn't intend taking the thread off topic, hence why I asked "could you revist the thread and post the figures and the "trusty source" details?"

That said, I was hoping for a more factually based reply which you had indicated previously was available to you rather than one based on "the reality is that there is no answer" or "reputedly receiving".

Thanks anyway.

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

My original question was open ended, because I wanted to know if anyone else had any idea if my information was correct. I did find it hard to believe that it was discretionary with no upper limit in certain cases, although internet searches did not reveal this.

Subject closed from me.

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

Sorry, I was under the impression that when you wrote

"I was recently told a minimum and maximum figure for an alcoholic by what I would consider a trusty source. (Employed in a position where they would be expected to know the answer)

I found the figure to be unbelievable".

that you meant you had been told a minimum and maximum figure which you found to be unbelievable.

My mistake, obviously.

As you say, subject closed - let's stick to the topic.

Apologies to all for the temporary drift.

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

Any one know if the French are just as vigorous with other illegal immigrants to their country as they are being with the Roma gypsies ,I know the Roma gypsies aren't technically illegal immigrants if i read Daddy's links correctly but they are being treated as such

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11301307

Hmmmm, this'll be interesting....

Here's some 'previous' when it comes to the European Commission and fines on the French.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...e_british_beef

What's the betting the outcome will be the same this time?...

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

i dont understand what france are doing wrong ?

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

upsetting the liberal tree hungers who want the whole world to love each other
?;)

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

I think treating people humanly is what 'liberal tree huggers' want. Not a large scale displacement under the guise of crime reduction, for which the French government has decided an entire ethnic group shall be held accountable.

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11302013

The rest of the article seems to indicate that France may find it'sself in the doghouse and is a strong message to Italy that may be considering a similar action.

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

france are in a position to tell the eu to do one, after all france britain and germany are the eu the rest of the countrys are leeches