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Section 33 of the UK Borders Act 2007 details those who are exempt from the provisions of automatic deportation. There are six exemptions, such as where an individual raises a claim for Asylum and Human Rights

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Does an exemption from automatic deportation due to raising a claim regarding Asylum or Human Rights = therefore never get deported at all?

If someone raises a claim regarding Asylum or Human Rights, what is wrong with halting auto-deportation & allowing that claim to be heard?

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Restrict not remove...and even then the restrictions must follow human RIGHTS of sorts...

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So you agree that their deportation can be stopped on human rights grounds?

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Stopped PENDING investigation - Yes! Then provided the law is followed and they have no grounds to stay they should be deported.

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I think I have understood what you've said, ie what you believe should happen, and I agree, if someone has comitted a serious crime they should be deported, even if their an asylum seeker or risk injury/death on their return to their home land.
However at the momeent, if they can show it will breach their human rights, they can prevent deportation, ergo their human rights cannot be removed despite committing awful crimes.

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That's exactly what happens - claim rejected, these days you're very quickly in handcuffs and down Yarls Wood, then on a plane.

What people tend to mix up in this are the cases where deportation would lead to a likelihood of the country deported to taking action against the individual which would violate the ECHR, in which case there's a presumption on basic 'don't be an idiot' grounds not to deport. The problem isn't the ECHR, the government or the courts but the repressive regime at the other end.

For extra brownie points, under what circumstances can the UK legally deport EU citizens?

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Or maybe even this one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8688501.stm

Excellent. The court admits he is a terrorist yet his human rights trump any of his potential victims. :(

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Why should that be our problem when it comes to deporting someone who's comitted a serious crime?
You don't think that such action (to be returned to their original country where they may face torture and death) would be an additional deterrent to comitting a crime?
If it's not, then they're accepting the outcome when they comit the crime, just as anyone who breaks the law accepts the punishment that is likely to result from being caught.

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:tu: :clap:

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hmmm... that sounds about right yup..... :mad:

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Like the Sun??

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and the Mail, although I have to say the worst for inventing things in general is the Mirror.

At the moment though we have the Beeb (not known for being a rabid tabloid although known for making news up or misreporting it) stating that deportations have been denied, not because there hasn't been court cases brought against the accused, but because sending them back to Pakistan (where their cohorts have already returned of their own accord mind you) would be against their human rights.

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just thinking:
1. illegal immigrant.
2. build bomb in such a sloppy way the filth couldn't help notice.
3. get to stay in the country after arguing your life will be at risk if sent home.
4. result.

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Thing is, if you can successfully argue your life would be at risk if sent home, you can just claim asylum.

What I think is a reasonable agreement is that if you wish to move here you do not comit any serious crimes.

I know the analogy has been used before, but if you let a tramp into your home to eat and wash, and he then smashes up your furniture, why is it unreasonable to boot him out onto the street where he has no food/shelter and could die?

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He wasn't charged with anything and wasn't convicted of anything. These were, and indeed are, allegations which even his defence have not been privy to.

As Pierce says "If people have committed a crime, put them on trial."

It's starting to look like MI5/6 chinese whispers are what pass for due process and justice these days.

Time to start really worrying I think.