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webcrawler2050 29-12-2009 16:32
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Hit the nail on the head there I think "came out" close to his execution. i think the phrase desperation comes to mind. He knew what was going to happen, hell. So they used that as a "trump" card.

martyh 29-12-2009 16:37
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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 34935258)
I thought that the bi-polar only came out after the hearing, so some last min clemency should have been accepted, that's the only part that I don't agree with. But then again I don't know all the ins and outs nor why this only came out afterwards and not during the trial.
that may be the case ,i have found a few conflicting accounts but the Supreme Peoples Court (chinese version of appeal)did not allow any further evidence reguarding his mental state as they felt they were perfectly aware of his mental state

heres a link i found from a chinese daily from a couple of months ago

http://www.chinadaily.cn/opinion/200...nt_8797074.htm

peanut 29-12-2009 16:38
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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34935267)
Hit the nail on the head there I think "came out" close to his execution. i think the phrase desperation comes to mind. He knew what was going to happen, hell. So they used that as a "trump" card.
That's exactly how I see it, just a clutching at straws scenario maybe. I'm sure he knew exactly what he was doing regardless of the consequences but that's the way it goes. China doesn't like messing about and fair do basically, I'm sure we would have delayed to confirm/dismiss anything like that, but that's their law and that's end of it basically.

webcrawler2050 29-12-2009 16:40
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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 34935277)
That's exactly how I see it, just a clutching at straws scenario maybe. I'm sure he knew exactly what he was doing regardless of the consequences but that's the way it goes. China doesn't like messing about and fair do basically, I'm sure we would have delayed to confirm/dismiss anything like that, but that's their law and that's end of it basically.

Yup and our PM interfering just annoyed them even more..

peanut 29-12-2009 16:42
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34935274)
that may be the case ,i have found a few conflicting accounts but the Supreme Peoples Court (chinese version of appeal)did not allow any further evidence reguarding his mental state as they felt they were perfectly aware of his mental state

heres a link i found from a chinese daily from a couple of months ago

http://www.chinadaily.cn/opinion/200...nt_8797074.htm
It's how they decide who's a fruitcake really. If he conducted himself through out in a normal manner then would a last min "I''m a nutter" work? I doubt it. I don't know the ins and outs at all, but I'm sure the main people can make a proper (and hopefully a fair) assessment.

Mr Angry 29-12-2009 17:03
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I think people should read this.

TheNorm 29-12-2009 18:19
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 34935290)
I think people should read this.
Excellent post, Mr Angry.

nomadking 29-12-2009 18:55
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 34935290)
I think people should read this.
Quote:
Though he has never been assessed by a psychiatrist, Foreign Office officials were eventually allowed to spend 15 minutes with Shaikh. From their description of Shaikh's behaviour, Dr Peter Schaapveld, a London-based consultant clinical and forensic psychologist, compiled a medical report in which he was able to deduce with "99% certainty" that he was suffering from a mental disorder that could either be bipolar or schizophrenia.
It's still only could and not is, and that was after being caught and held in prison awaiting a death sentence. There were more than 2 years between arrest and sentence being carried out.

budwieser 29-12-2009 19:00
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He knew what he was doing and paid the price.
A `mentally ill` man does not just aquire 4 kilos of Heroin. Tough.:rolleyes:

Mr Angry 29-12-2009 19:07
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34935358)
It's still only could and not is, and that was after being caught and held in prison awaiting a death sentence. There were more than 2 years between arrest and sentence being carried out.
"Though he was sentenced to death shortly after, the Foreign Office was not notified for many months.."

"Chinese authorities have refused repeated requests for Shaikh to be evaluated by a doctor"

We can all do selective cut and pastes.

Zee 29-12-2009 19:33
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Originally Posted by Bender (Post 34935075)
He broke the law in china. He was tried in china. His punishment was issued by the Chinese. Fair play. He shouldn't have been trafficking drugs. It's one less scummy drug pusher off everyones streets as far as I'm concerned. Good ridence.
Doesn't it say that if someone has mental health problems then China's own law says they wont exicute them but they ignored their own laws and went ahead to exicute him without taking any examinations of him.

nomadking 29-12-2009 19:49
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 34935366)
"Though he was sentenced to death shortly after, the Foreign Office was not notified for many months.."

"Chinese authorities have refused repeated requests for Shaikh to be evaluated by a doctor"

We can all do selective cut and pastes.
And if he had been examined by a British doctor:-
a) The examination would have been after being caught, kept in prison, and facing a death sentence and not how he was at the time of arrest.
b) As the death penalty rested on the conclusion of an examination, would the doctor have said anything other than he had a newly diagnosed medical condition that could not be proved?
c) And even considering b, the doctor still only said could.

idi banashapan 29-12-2009 19:53
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 34935290)
I think people should read this.
a couple of things there;

1) his state of mind and it's degredation was, according to the report, under question by those around him starting in 2001. he was executed in 2009 with his first psychological evaluation taking place not too long before his sentance was carried out. what happened there then? his family and friends thought he'd lost it, but let him get on with life anyway? right-o

2) that bit at the bottom... "guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media 2009". hopefully not part of some propeganda machine, eh?!

papa smurf 29-12-2009 20:49
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its all irrelevant now he's been executed none of us will ever know his state of mind .

SMG 29-12-2009 22:13
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Its a pity there isn`t a mandatory death sentence for all drug dealers & traffickers.

As far as I`m concerned, if you deal in drugs, good riddance to you.


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