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Ignitionnet 12-12-2009 12:46

re: [Update and merge] 50p landline tax shelved
 
The VM network uses twisted pair to a local multiplexer, the BT network uses twisted pair to an exchange then to a multiplexer. Both are the same just where the multiplexer is is different. The BT fibre to cabinet upgrade won't change that architecture at all, the only change will be where the copper is entirely replaced with fibre.

Nonces really simply need to get their act together and get this pathetic tax away from us, or simply charge it on all non-IP based land lines as a tariff to fixed line rental and stop wasting tax payers' time procrastinating over minor definitions.

Arthurgray50@blu 12-12-2009 20:16

re: [Update and merge] 50p landline tax shelved
 
Why should we the customer have to pay money for the government to do there job, it might only be 50p, but when you think of what the MPs fiddle and the wages they are on. Also companies that want this new cable, that we are on now, should not enforce the price on us, it might only be 50p but then the government will think after about 12 months, oh we will put that 50p up to a 1.00. it is the principle of the thing.

Chris 13-12-2009 10:35

re: [Update and merge] 50p landline tax shelved
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nodrogd (Post 34925576)
Consultation document does cover this point:

"3.7 There are some difficulties with this general approach due to how some retailers provide services to their customers. Virgin Media provide broadband services over a co-axial cable but standard voice services over a separate copper line where other providers would just use a single copper line for both voice and broadband services. BT will also face similar issues where fibre is overlaid on copper wires. Government’s intention is to ensure that there is no double liability under these circumstances."


OoooOOoooo ... kudos for actually reading the consultation :tu: :D

In that case, I would imagine their intention is to tax installed lines which would work without the need for any activation, were you to plug a phone into the socket, even if those lines aren't every actually used...

yorkshireborn 27-12-2009 13:29

re: [Update and merge] 50p landline tax shelved
 
let me get this rite i think iv'e read this wrong but if you have moved from BT to virgin and have all services from virgin you pay your 50p tax once but your old bt line is still attatched to the house the way i read it you pay 50p tax on that line too even though its not used.
if thats true in off out to cut the line down.

Arthurgray50@blu 27-12-2009 14:46

re: [Update and merge] 50p landline tax shelved
 
What ever happens, its a rip off, we pay enough taxes as it is.

Ignitionnet 27-12-2009 15:25

re: [Update and merge] 50p landline tax shelved
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkshireborn (Post 34933790)
let me get this rite i think iv'e read this wrong but if you have moved from BT to virgin and have all services from virgin you pay your 50p tax once but your old bt line is still attatched to the house the way i read it you pay 50p tax on that line too even though its not used.
if thats true in off out to cut the line down.

Err no you leave that line alone, it's not yours to cut down and will cost you a lot of years of 50p a month to repair what is basically vandalism of BT's property.

To answer your question, no, if it's not in use you won't get charged for it. The charge goes to BT, not a person, and if you aren't using the circuit they aren't going to have a liability for it to pass on to you.

Welshchris 28-12-2009 02:48

re: [Update and merge] 50p landline tax shelved
 
from what i remember reading the 50p tax is not actually 50p.

Its 50p + VAT

Chris 28-12-2009 12:15

re: [Update and merge] 50p landline tax shelved
 
That's not surprising - if it's levied on the service provider, rather than on the sub directly, the service provider will have to add it to the sub's bill in order to recoup the cost. At which point it would automatically attract VAT, along with everything else on the bill.

IIRC the Tories aren't mad keen on this scheme however, and as they're likely to be the Government in less than six months, it may be that nobody ever has to pay this levy.

Welshchris 28-12-2009 14:22

re: [Update and merge] 50p landline tax shelved
 
Chris i thought Labour was back in the lead in the polls.

Chris 28-12-2009 16:56

re: [Update and merge] 50p landline tax shelved
 
Not in the slightest:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8280050.stm

webcrawler2050 28-12-2009 17:14

re: [Update and merge] 50p landline tax shelved
 
Yet more tosh from our "free country"

Welshchris 29-12-2009 00:47

re: [Update and merge] 50p landline tax shelved
 
i like to know how do they get this information for the polls

Ignitionnet 29-12-2009 01:10

re: [Update and merge] 50p landline tax shelved
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34934311)
That's not surprising - if it's levied on the service provider, rather than on the sub directly, the service provider will have to add it to the sub's bill in order to recoup the cost. At which point it would automatically attract VAT, along with everything else on the bill.

IIRC the Tories aren't mad keen on this scheme however, and as they're likely to be the Government in less than six months, it may be that nobody ever has to pay this levy.

The Tories favour letting the market sort itself out, and hopefully to support this idea they will remove some of the barriers to investment in next generation networks.

VAT is levied, this is a duty in a similar manner to excise duty. The supplier pays the government then either eats up the charge or, more likely, passes it to the subscriber at which point of course that charge becomes liable for VAT.

8skellerns 11-04-2010 19:27

Re: BT Fibre To Cabinet Phases 4b / 5 Announced
 
Landline tax to be shelved:

http://money.uk.msn.com/budget2010/a...ntid=152937574

So who is going to pay for Rural broadband now then? If the government won't, and BT have announced they only intend to serve fast broadband to the cherry picked highly concentrated 40% of the population, then who else will, or is the rural population expected to receive a lower standard of services yet again? Rural areas are lucky to even have power, water and sewers!:erm:

Ignitionnet 11-04-2010 20:40

Re: BT Fibre To Cabinet Phases 4b / 5 Announced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 8skellerns (Post 34999207)
is the rural population expected to receive a lower standard of services yet again? Rural areas are lucky to even have power, water and sewers!:erm:

A fair few don't have mains sewage or gas yet have access to DSL, go figure.

No idea what Labour want to do now but this is a nice summary of the plans of other parties.

Have a look at this campaign, may give some ideas.


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