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demented

15-01-2009 16:11

Re: Christianity a History

In an easily and to the point short summary of it, yes.

Maggy

15-01-2009 16:14

Re: Christianity a History

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34716300)

So your criteria for being a Christian is just someone who believes in God? Curious...

I have to say you're the first person I've ever come across who thinks faith is not a requirement for being a Christians. Still, it takes all sorts I guess :shrug:

Hang on..Don't Jews believe in God..Muslims as well?

Sorry but there's got to be more to it than that...:confused:

Russ	15-01-2009 16:19

Re: Christianity a History

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34716310)

Hang on..Don't Jews believe in God..Muslims as well?

According to demented's logic, they're Christians too.

Bizarre :erm:

demented

15-01-2009 16:31

Re: Christianity a History

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34716310)

Hang on..Don't Jews believe in God..Muslims as well?

Sorry but there's got to be more to it than that...:confused:

Bingo. :angel:. In anycase why would it seem strange that Judaism and Islam have so much in common with Christianity once you strip out the emphasis one religion has on Jesus? They are the same more or less. Christianity and Islam are both descended from Judaism, one of the many points of the programme.

Christian is just a label. It could just as easily be muslim. It could be xtian, it could be something else.

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34716312)

According to demented's logic, they're Christians too.

Bizarre :erm:

Yeap. They are in a sense. Anyway I don't know why you find it so weird, my RE teacher was a Christian and was of the view that many of the same religions amount to the same thing. I've met other people with similar views.

Russ	15-01-2009 16:42

Re: Christianity a History

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Originally Posted by demented (Post 34716317)

They are the same more or less.

As I don't want to take this off-topic I'd ask you bring that up in the next anti-religion thread so I can address it properly. But you have no idea how spectacularly wide of the mark you with that ;)

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Originally Posted by demented (Post 34716317)

Yeap. They are in a sense.

I wonder how saaf_london will react to the news that he, "in a sense", is Christian :erm:

downquark1

15-01-2009 16:51

Re: Christianity a History

I won't repeat my rants about how the word has become useless.

demented

15-01-2009 17:08

Re: Christianity a History

Well I don't want to dwell on the point any longer but people did ask. The programme is still available on catch-up for anyone who wants to watch but in warning a summary of it is available on channel 4 and if people are offended by what I've said they probably will be by the programme itself.

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Leading British writer Howard Jacobson, a Jew himself, examines the origins and consequences of Christian belief. He argues that although Christianity originated in devout Judaism, for Jews it has been, for the most part, a calamity.

Jacobson talks to Christian and Jewish scholars. He visits Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Galilee and Rome to find out more about Jesus the Jew, and discovers how key Christian beliefs - including the notion of a Messiah and baptism - have roots in Judaism.

Furthermore, he asserts that Jesus didn't intend to start a new religion, and that for Jesus's family the new movement remained within Judaism: for them he was a charismatic Rabbi.

Is Judaism Christianity's guilty secret?

Maggy

15-01-2009 17:13

Re: Christianity a History

He also pointed out that Jesus and his disciples were devout Jews..Not Christians.That Christianity came about through the actions of St Paul. :erm:

NEONKNIGHT

15-01-2009 17:35

Re: Christianity a History

"Upon this rock I will build my church". Matthew 16:18.

So the Christian Church (Or for me, the Catholic Church) was born.:angel:

Maggy

15-01-2009 17:45

Re: Christianity a History

I tell you what.. why don't some of you watch the programme and see for yourselves?

Maggy

18-01-2009 20:00

Re: Christianity a History

Second programme about to start.:)

alferret

18-01-2009 21:05

Re: Christianity a History

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34716370)

I tell you what.. why don't some of you watch the programme and see for yourselves?

I just did Maggy, but I feel i need to watch the first episode just to get the gist of things.
I still feel the same tho, and some parts of the program just reinforced my opinion.

demented

18-01-2009 21:06

Re: Christianity a History

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Originally Posted by alferret (Post 34718109)

I just did Maggy, but I feel i need to watch the first episode just to get the gist of things.
I still feel the same tho, and some parts of the program just reinforced my opinion.

The episodes are separate. Totally different presenter, different viewpoint, different message, different time period.

frogstamper

18-01-2009 21:26

Re: Christianity a History

Just watched tonight's program, very interesting Portillo did a good job, next weeks program covers Christianity in the Dark Ages, a great series so far.
BTW anyone who thinks this series is going to be about proselytizing religion, think again, in this episode Portillo made it clear he is "a lapsed Catholic".

demented

18-01-2009 22:16

Re: Christianity a History

It was a good programme. Shame it didn't mention the meteorite.

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