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So whats the problem? Most would support the view that we live in a democracy and therefore she is perfectly entitled to express her views. Lets not get alluppity just because she is commenting on homosexuality. I isnt some kind of holy Grail that cannot attract dissent.

Let her speak and people will either support her or not.

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Whatever happened to the "Incitment to Hatred" act?

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/hmso/piha1970.htm

What Virus, whoops, sorry, Irish, whoops, sorry, Iris said trigger more gay beatings this weekend.

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I dont think she was inciting hatred and further ,the act is a farce and should have never reached the statute book. Hatred is felt in peoples' hearts and minds. It cannot be put there unless they are predisposed to it.

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Please when it comes to human emotions and personal opinion even that which is based on science the human race is about as far from a logically minded race as it could possibly get, hence why its very easy for it to have a bias in an opinion that which is not bias in the eyes of the beholder.

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Don't know if this letter has actually been sent to Iris or is just doing the rounds on an email circuit


Dear Iris…



THANK you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them. My important Biblically-based questions are listed below the fold. I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.



1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to the Irish, but not English people. Can you clarify? Why can't I own some Englishmen?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?



3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is: my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wriggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,


Maria

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Thats why there are atheists because religion makes so much more sense then science :D. As we have seen recently if you want common sense a bit of reality the church is the place to be :rolleyes:.

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That is brill Fingy :)

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Oh you will burn in,,,,,,,, :D :D :D :rofl: Together we stand. it's been around for some time and I saved it to my hdd but can't find it so will be saving it again. Well found

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Excellent post Fingy, if this awful woman is only quoting and defending gods law, why is she being so selective?
Why isn't she defending all gods laws, surly as a mere mortal she isn't picking and choosing laws which shes feels are only relevant to her in the 21st century.
A superb example from fingy why these bigots are so damn divisive and hypocritical... I suggest you make amends to your god Mrs Robinson, it looks like your going to be burning a lot of bull...but by the sounds of it your used to dealing in bull.:)

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Apparently it was this that the key portion of the show that was reported to the police as a hate crime was the following:
So from this while she may be putting it out initially on a religous standpoint I am absolutely not religous in that sense yet I concur almost identically with the sentiments, perhaps she is only putting it out under the guise of religion in order to protect some people, how ever you should really be careful what you report to the police. To me those sentiments derive from some one who either knows a person or persons who have been, or has been themselves subjected to varying levels of sexual harrasment from one or more people of the same sex perhaps over a period of time. If that is the case then you cannot deny she is perfectly entitled to carry that opinion as would be anyone be entitled to carry similar opinions who has been subjected to this kind of crime or know varying friends who have suffered in that way.

It is for this reason and this reason alone that out comes the bigot card, not because the opinion is actually wrong but in defence of that community in general because without doing so they become on a wider basis a very vulnerable community.

A bigot can only be a bigot when they have no foundation for their own views and opinions and show a total lack of respect for others opinions. Until both this criteria is met they are not a bigot.

Now to open the eyes of those who have been fortunate enough to never have suffered such forms of harrasment at a sufficent level that it was unacceptable and anyone else who cares to learn from it.


When a person is sexually harrased to any level from another of the same sex and it was uncalled for or went further than it should have, which in this particilar form of harrasment really does not have to be that far at all for the target to become a victim, it does not stop at feeling bad about the actual event itself. The victim then has to make a conciensous decision, do they do something about it, most of the time no they dont, this is not because they dont feel they have the right to do so, this is because they do not wish to place themselves into the public spotlight and into the court rooms mainly for the sake of further personal embarrasment, having to relive the events etc etc.

However not doing something which most sexual predators are well aware of that most will get away with a crime that wont be reported for, the victim then also suffers for the rest of their days the torture of their own guilt that they did not do anything, that they know there are people out there who have probably also become victims and this is the fault of the victim as much as it is of the predator themselves. If as a sexual predator you did not know this then you do now, if as resepctable and civil being you did not know this then you do now, and when you scream and shout bigot, perhaps you should really consider if your reaction is truly justified. For those that are well aware of this and still commit the crime, you are truly the sickest of all and you know what actions you should take stop it.

Fact in respect of humanity, when making a pass at someone of the same sex you are potentially committing a crime of sexual harrasment regardless of the location or level you try to take it to, simply because of the very nature of the act your proposing.

In respect of the male side of the population when a male dog cant control its urges to hump the human reaction is often to remove certain body parts of that animal, you should consider yourselves lucky it is not that cut and dried (the pun is without doubt intentional) in regards to mankind. You should also be glad that there are many decent and respectable people out there who are prepared to carry your burdens with them to their grave, as in all honesty most of you probably do not deserve it, if it was not for them many of you would be where you should be and not walking among the general poulation.

So you can burn the likes of Iris Robinson in your flames as much as you like, the reality is while doing so you will be torching yourselves aswell.

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Apologies, but that is a load of tripe. Basically, you're saying that it's OK to base your opinion of a group of people on the acts of one or two individuals. That's pretty much the definition of a bigot.

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Sorry but by definition it is absolutely correct, you cannot be 'pretty much a bigot' its either you are or you are not, or perhaps then in the eyes of some she is pretty much not a bigot, if your opinion is based on personal experience or on the reason of knowing others experience it is suffiecent by definition to fall well outside the realm of bigotry.

I spent many years around many homosexuals within the wider community, I spent many years even standing up for them while others were against them. To my regret I can categorically state today I was both niave and stupid to do so. When you say 'one or two individuals' I take it your refering to the very 'tiny minority' who perhaps could without doubt remain above reproach on this issue, as out of 100's or so I could name but wont for varying reasons some of which should be obvious there is but a couple that as far as I am aware would have no need to be on that list.

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I'm sorry Nitro, but once again you are using a million words to disguise whatever it is your trying to say.

Where on earth do you draw this conclusion from, it is pure speculation on your part, from which you then go on to justify her views, how on earth can you claim she or a friend has been subjected to sexual harassment from a gay man/woman this is once again fantasy. As regards the rest of your post, once again its couched in so many twists and turns it becomes truly nonsensical, its entirely based on the mistaken premise that Mrs Robinson was in someway abused by nasty homosexuals. Any argument you hoped to raise in defense of this woman has been lost on some mad rant.

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Erm, it is ludicrous to suggest that there are no degrees of bigotry. This presumably is why you go on to labour (in a rather roundabout way) the point that your dislike of homosexuals is based on extensive experience? (which I should add does not tally with my experience at all).

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And you sir either for your own convenience or other reason choose to mis-interpret my post, one day the victims of the wider gay community may just stand up to be counted and if we ever do then your happy little world may just be over. The best way to not have that happen is to stop actions like screaming 'bigot' every time any one who maybe, or may know victim(s) decides to speak up in the way she has.

I stated 'I concur with her sentiments'
I stated 'To me those sentiments are derived from'

So to even the average person it should be fairly obvious exactly where my further justification for those sentiments are resourced.

If I really have to spell it out any more out for you then I really think you should be locked up for your own good and perhaps for the good of your community as your defence of them is nothing but beneath contempt.