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Xaccers 07-06-2007 13:26

Re: Queen distressed by Blair legacy
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34323130)
UKIP? :D

UKIP if you want to. The lady's not for kipping ;)

dreko07 07-06-2007 13:45

Re: Queen distressed by Blair legacy
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34323130)
UKIP? :D

LOL maybe SNP, so Phil can have a bit more time at home.;)

Hugh 07-06-2007 13:58

Re: Queen distressed by Blair legacy
 
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Originally Posted by dreko07 (Post 34323157)
LOL maybe SNP, so Phil can have a bit more time at home.;)

Athens?

dreko07 07-06-2007 14:15

Re: Queen distressed by Blair legacy
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34323167)
Athens?

same to you :p:

:D

freezin 07-06-2007 22:08

Re: Queen distressed by Blair legacy
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34323130)
UKIP? :D

I'm curious. If the Queen asked for your advice, which party would you recommend she vote for?

The Tories perhaps? :D

Hugh 08-06-2007 10:14

Re: Queen distressed by Blair legacy
 
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Originally Posted by freezin (Post 34323579)
I'm curious. If the Queen asked for your advice, which party would you recommend she vote for?

The Tories perhaps? :D

I would recommend she didn't vote, as it could be seen to influence other voters, and as the Head of State she cannot be seen to be "partial" (imho).

btw, I would not recommend any party to anyone - if people need to be told who to vote for, democracy is doomed; they should make up their own minds, hopefully based upon an informed opinion (not on tabloid headlines, scare-mongering, twisted statistics, and pandering to people's worst insecurities and fears).

Anyway, I'm more of a Whig than a Tory ;)

Xaccers 08-06-2007 10:25

Re: Queen distressed by Blair legacy
 
How do we know she doesn't vote in secret via post? ;)

Hugh 08-06-2007 10:29

Re: Queen distressed by Blair legacy
 
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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34323857)
How do we know she doesn't vote in secret via post? ;)

Because "secret ballots" aren't really very secret (unfortunately) - someone would surely sell the info to the Super Soaraway http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...chives/sun.bmp
The ballot papers contains a serial number: it is possible, but illegal, to trace all the votes to the people who cast them. The number is there to stop electoral fraud (works so well lately).

freezin 08-06-2007 11:33

Re: Queen distressed by Blair legacy
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34323844)
I would recommend she didn't vote, as it could be seen to influence other voters, and as the Head of State she cannot be seen to be "partial" (imho).

btw, I would not recommend any party to anyone - if people need to be told who to vote for, democracy is doomed; they should make up their own minds, hopefully based upon an informed opinion (not on tabloid headlines, scare-mongering, twisted statistics, and pandering to people's worst insecurities and fears).


I agree that the Queen should not vote, but you have really surprised me in saying that you are more Whig than Tory. Only a few months ago you claimed to have:

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34129205)
... voted Tory all my life.

A change of heart it seems.

And I also agree that people should not be told who to vote for. But I think it is a little cheeky to suggest that anyone bases their opinions of political parties on anything other than the policies they offer. An honest public political debate would go a long way to ensuring the voters hold informed opinions too. But I don't expect either mainstream politicians or any sector of the mainstream media to play a part in bringing that about!

;)

Hugh 08-06-2007 12:03

Re: Queen distressed by Blair legacy
 
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Originally Posted by freezin (Post 34323954)
I agree that the Queen should not vote, but you have really surprised me in saying that you are more Whig than Tory. Only a few months ago you claimed to have:

Originally Posted by foreverwar http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
... voted Tory all my life.

A change of heart it seems.

And I also agree that people should not be told who to vote for. But I think it is a little cheeky to suggest that anyone bases their opinions of political parties on anything other than the policies they offer. An honest public political debate would go a long way to ensuring the voters hold informed opinions too. But I don't expect either mainstream politicians or any sector of the mainstream media to play a part in bringing that about!

;)

No change of heart, my little UKIP-voting chum - I have voted (and continue to vote) Tory, but I favour the Whig (as was) philosophy; since the Whig Party no longer stands for HM Parliament (as it split into the Tory and Liberal Parties in the 1860's), it would be a tad difficult to vote for them, don't you think? ;) I joined the TRG in the early 1980's, and have "leant that way" ever since.

Basing one's vote solely on anything other than a party's policies is like choosing consultants solely on their advertisements/website - I would rather do a bit of research, see what they did previously, talk to previous customers, find out if they delivered; so "a little cheeky to suggest that anyone bases their opinions of political parties on anything other than the policies", no - "common sense", yes.

freezin 08-06-2007 13:17

Re: Queen distressed by Blair legacy
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34323977)
No change of heart, my little UKIP-voting chum - I have voted (and continue to vote) Tory, but I favour the Whig (as was) philosophy; since the Whig Party no longer stands for HM Parliament (as it split into the Tory and Liberal Parties in the 1860's), it would be a tad difficult to vote for them, don't you think? ;) I joined the TRG in the early 1980's, and have "leant that way" ever since.

Ah the Tory Reform Group. Now I understand where you're coming from. ;)

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Basing one's vote solely on anything other than a party's policies is like choosing consultants solely on their advertisements/website - I would rather do a bit of research, see what they did previously, talk to previous customers, find out if they delivered; so "a little cheeky to suggest that anyone bases their opinions of political parties on anything other than the policies", no - "common sense", yes.
All common sense, and any voter would be wise to consider the likelihood of any party's policies being carried out as well as the policies themselves. But I wonder who you had in mind when you said that people should make up their own minds "hopefully based upon an informed opinion (not on tabloid headlines, scare-mongering, twisted statistics, and pandering to people's worst insecurities and fears)."

And as for UKIP, I have voted for them in the past (and have never hidden by euphemisms) , and I might in the future. I'll also consider several other parties, but having done my "research" seen "what they did previously", been a "previous customer" (unwilling most of the time) and didn't like what they "delivered", I know I won't be voting for Labour, the Lib Dems or the Tories, and the TRG is a definite turn-off imo!

Maggy 08-06-2007 19:48

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I'll vote for any party that can kick out my present long standing MP on the basis he's a useless MP and I'd definitely like a change.

Tho' I suppose I could be quickly changing my mind if they are an even lazier MP. :)


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