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dev 07-11-2006 18:38
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Originally Posted by RXP (Post 34152627)
Traffic shaping could also be an excuse for ISP's to oversubscribe their network without making upgrades, thus increasing profit margins.
i think you'll find practically all isp's oversubscribe, thats the whole point of contention ratios

bywater 07-11-2006 18:40
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I'm in Coventry NW 263Kbs Down 367Kbs Up. **** Poor for download upload spot on.

Bill C 07-11-2006 18:40
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Originally Posted by RXP (Post 34152609)
I agree, I said that NH's routing is at fault earlier. But the fact is NH found out something about NTL that we didn't know what was going on. So they're not shaping NNTP but something is going on with all these slow speeds.

Do you get full giganews speed at prime time?
Yes i can but dont do big downloads at peak times.

They can shape ssl if they want. :(

RXP 07-11-2006 18:42
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Yah I'm aware of that and how high will those ratios go as a result of traffic shaping? They'll think they can get away with higher ratios. Which is what has happened in E17. They 'upgraded' recently because of too many users (per CS) and it's worse than it was before

Stuart 07-11-2006 18:42
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Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34152647)
Yes i can but dont do big downloads at peak times.

They can shape ssl if they want. :(
They can shape *any* protocol, whether encrypted or not. They don't need to see the data, just to recognise it's encrypted.

RXP 07-11-2006 18:44
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Yah but it's about practicality, they can shape freakin HTTP if they want but they're not gonna. It'd be using a knife when you need a scalpel. That's why I'm looking forward to webbased usenet accesses too

Bill C 07-11-2006 18:49
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Yah but it's about practicality, they can shape freakin HTTP if they want but they're not gonna. It'd be using a knife when you need a scalpel. That's why I'm looking forward to webbased usenet accesses too
This is what i can get at the moment. Ran a download for a short while to show the speed. I have my son streaming music at the moment as well.

RXP 07-11-2006 18:56
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Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34152665)
This is what i can get at the moment. Ran a download for a short while to show the speed. I have my son streaming music at the moment as well.
Nice. Right now off giganews' europe server I only get 2000kbps. But that's actually faster than normal. Usually it's half.

Edit: also might be worth blanking out what you are downloading :-p

brundles 07-11-2006 18:58
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Originally Posted by RXP (Post 34152656)
Yah but it's about practicality, they can shape freakin HTTP if they want but they're not gonna. It'd be using a knife when you need a scalpel. That's why I'm looking forward to webbased usenet accesses too

They can still shape based on the destination.

I agree with your earlier comment on ISPs traffic shaping rather than actually implementing their network properly but at the end of the day, any attempt to circumvent the intention of the traffic shaping is going to be caught up with and make things worse for other services.

Bill C 07-11-2006 19:01
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Edit: also might be worth blanking out what you are downloading :-p
its ubuntu linux :LOL:

RXP 07-11-2006 19:05
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Why of course!

Bill C 07-11-2006 19:07
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Originally Posted by RXP (Post 34152681)
Why of course!
http://www.ubuntu.com/

RXP 07-11-2006 19:09
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Haha it actually is. Thought it might be something else disguised.

Bill C 07-11-2006 19:12
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Originally Posted by RXP (Post 34152688)
Haha it actually is. Thought it might be something else disguised.
I dont hide the fact i download other things as well. I have 2 tv eps set for later.

RXP 07-11-2006 20:50
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some more info, from another thread confirming the newshosting side of things:

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Johnr: I believe that your isp, NTL, has been having serious network issues lately. We have had a number of speed complaints from NTL customers over the last week, and literally none from any other ISP. I have checked with another news service provider (newshosting) and they are also seeing speed complaints from ntl customers. Our engineering staff took a look at several ip blocks in NTL's network, and it appears that NTL is moving high traffic customers to a certain ip block within their network. This has the effect of severely limiting bandwith for those customers. I would recommend contacting NTL about this issue.


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