Thanks for the reply Russ as I know everyone is looking at you for a reply in this kind of tread.

I was thinking of Famin and things like that, or small children born with aids, that kind of thing, long slow deaths of children that are not old enough to have sinned.

You know, something has just occured to me......
I dont believe in religion, yet, I believe in ghosts......surely that means an afterlife and that means a heaven?


Man I think I need help lol

It's nothing to do with the fact they may or may not be old enough to sin, it's due to the fact that Adam and Eve disobeyed Big G, so their ancestors (ie, us) suffer for it.

Diseases and suchlike are believed to be creations of Satan. As for AIDS, it was suggested the explosion of infected people in the early 80s was mainly due to promiscuous homosexual behaviour, so you may be able to see where Christians make that connection.

Not really jus means there is another "life" or world after this, doesn't mean it's heaven or hell :) Or would us people that believe in ghosts et the same results in te test in Kronas post?

But this where my problem lies in it all, god is quiet happy to let "his children" suffer and die on earth, and can go to heaven if they repent their sins. Why would I worship anyon or anything that is, by most peoples standards, being cruel?

I mena I may as welll worship the devil as adleast then I'd get to enjoy lifes little good points too.

NOTE : I do no tactually worship the devil :p

It might appear that He's being cruel, but He gave His son to die so that we would be 'saved', which I'd say is a pretty good thing to do. Our ancestors' constant sinning has meant that evil and sin will always be around us and spiritual death awaits everyone (God dictated that those who do wrong face death. Once he has spoken it, it cannot be undone so he sent Jesus to die in our place). the fact that he gave us a 'get out of jail' card indicated his patience and love for a human race who by and large, do a lot of evil things.

Yes indeed you could spend this short lifetime bowing before satan but think of the inescapable hell you'd be spending eternity it, with no chance of parole. God will have given you numerous opportunites to turn to Him but your constant failure would be your undoing.

Where's Towny when you need him??? :D

But is god not jut as cruel as anything else we know, to punish us for what others have done? It seems to be situation where you are gilty until you repent, even if you personally have never done anything to be guilty of.

I dont know where towny is Russ but I'll be online proper later

I see where you're going but we are ALL guilty of breaking His laws - there are no sinless people. As I said earlier, even someone as 'holy' as the Pope sins, and I'm sure Mother Theresa was prone to the odd PMT-fuelled outburst from time to time :D ;)

:p :D

So how have we all sinned then, what are "his" laws? I don't mean to seem stupid but have kind of avoided that kind of thing for many years now.

and also what of all other religons? People may have devoted their life to budha and lived a selfless life but according to the bible would they too not be sinners?

Maybe If God cared to tell us what actually happens after we die, I might worship him!..

Seriousley though, im not spending my time worshipping someone, when as far as I can see, im not gonna gain anything from it. Sorry for being shallow ;)

i dont think that will happen also school plays its part in educating children so i dont see the problem there

also looking through all the posts while i was away and thinking about it why 'update' the bible so to speak did god give you the choice of 'tweaking' it

if you can sin and be forgiven why not just continue sinning

also i do believe homosexuals should be given marriage rights

This is forbidden. It says so in Revelations 22 v 18-19.

So why are there so many differing variations of the bible in circulation??

If a book which was written at least 400 years after the subject matter (IE Jesus's life) how can we be sure it is based on fact and not Myths?

its based on a belief system :rolleyes: