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Chris 09-08-2021 21:00
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36089179)
Oh look, you’ve Done Your Research …

1andrew1 09-08-2021 21:23
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36089182)
Oh look, you’ve Done Your Research …
Yup, the first link is one person's theory, the second link tangential.
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James has developed the Plate Climatology Theory entirely on his own non-working hour time and with no funding from BTA Oil Producers LLC or any other entity.

He is also proud to state that he is an actively practicing Christian who believes science and spirituality are completely compatible. However, he developed the Plate Climatology Theory entirely based on scientific observations, geological intuition and inclusion of many published scientific research articles, many geological in nature.

The Plate Climatology Theory is built on the premise that there is a strong connection between geology and climate. The theory is intended to promote interaction between many branches of science primarily; geology, climatology, meteorology, biology, and oceanography. As such, it is not intended to debunk the Global Warming Theory, rather it is intended to offer a alternative theory that explains observed natural phenomenon.

The basic tenants of the Plate Climatology are sound; however it is a working theory which like all theories will likely need modification. This is invited, because that is how science should operate, formulate a good theory and then put it to many tests.

The development and intent of this theory is in no way politically motivated. It is not an attempt to demean any particular political group, university, government agency or group of scientists. James does in fact believe that climate scientists have been “atmospherically” biased in their interpretation of many observed climate trends and climate related. He believes that the vast majority of these scientists are highly skilled and dedicated individuals. James does not subscribe to utilizing his Plate Climatology Theory as a political or personal weapon to demean others. They have the right to disagree with this theory.

Mr K 09-08-2021 22:16
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
We'll act, but not till it personally affects us, which will be too late. Tbh it probably already is too.late, but at least we should try.

Brexit, covid, elections and all the other cobblers will be irrelevant as we've continually ignored the main threat.

RichardCoulter 09-08-2021 22:19
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
I like the beginning of the last paragraph, this is too serious to play party politics with. Our very survival as a species is at stake (unless another pandemic gets us first)!

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36089200)
We'll act, but not till it personally affects us, which will be too late. Tbh it probably already is too.late, but at least we should try.

Brexit, covid, elections and all the other cobblers will be irrelevant as we've continually ignored the main threat.
Totally agree. My life here is heading towards the end, but we need to think about the younger generations.

Mr K 09-08-2021 22:26
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36089201)
I like the beginning of the last paragraph, this is too serious to play party politics with. Our very survival as a species is at stake (unless another pandemic gets us first)!
Covid is a cake walk in comparison to climate change.

We're just too thick and consumerist I'm afraid.to make the necessary changes. Can't blame Govts, we elect them.

nomadking 09-08-2021 22:34
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36089190)
Yup, the first link is one person's theory, the second link tangential.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58146039
From 1st link and quote
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Research by the University of Kansas has confirmed the results of three previous studies
The 2nd link from the BBC confirms the existence of geothermal warming having an impact on ice sheets.
Canada and a section of Northern US(including New York) were once covered by Ice. How else did nearly all of that disappear, if not by "global warming"?
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In New York, the ice that covered Manhattan was about 2,000 feet high before it began to melt in about 16,000 BC. The ice in the area disappeared around 10,000 BC. The ground in the New York area has since risen by more than 150 ft because of the removal of the enormous weight of the melted ice.[10]
On average that's 4 inches of ice loss each and every year.

Sephiroth 09-08-2021 22:36
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
I'm not denying the facts, particularly what is happening at the poles (melting Ice).

But to my simple mind, mitigation through engineering should be possible. For example, 2m bunds (or whatever they are called) right round the coastline. For example forestry fire risk assessment should be undertaken with climate change in mind so that fire breaks can be engineered in; plus water pipelines from the sea or reservoirs to various places for fire management purposes.

The above in addition to carbon management. I'm not against coal fired power generation with carbon capture; hell knows we'll need all the electricity we can generate.

I looked at part of the UN report ( https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/d...y_Material.pdf ) to see where the information sources are. It seems to me, and I might be mistaken, that a whole load of third party documents have been pulled together to result in the conclusions of the report. To my mind, that could be dodgy - as in selecting material that suits the agenda and hence the conclusions. The UN report appears not to be the result of structured study under UN control.


RichardCoulter 09-08-2021 23:04
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36089182)
Oh look, you’ve Done Your Research …
I learned today that there is such a thing as an argumentative personality disorder. No matter what it is, whether trivial or not, they seek to disagree with everything and anything that others say:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/healthp...rsonality/amp/

pip08456 09-08-2021 23:09
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Let's be clear, climate activists harp on about saving the planet. Nothing could be further from the truth.
This planet will survive, the human race on the other hand...

Jaymoss 09-08-2021 23:09
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
All you hear is carbon footprint this carbon footprint that, global warming threat and so on when the real big issue is over population globally.

As the world warms there will be massive immigration issues as the population around the equator moves North or South. There will be wars and starvation like we have never seen before. You may think this is fantasy but the world as we know it is screwed and all the pissing in the wind we do now will not reverse it. A dark future for mankind is ahead but hopefully none of us see it but our grandkids might

1andrew1 09-08-2021 23:21
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36089210)
All you hear is carbon footprint this carbon footprint that, global warming threat and so on when the real big issue is over population globally.

As the world warms there will be massive immigration issues as the population around the equator moves North or South. There will be wars and starvation like we have never seen before. You may think this is fantasy but the world as we know it is screwed and all the pissing in the wind we do now will not reverse it. A dark future for mankind is ahead but hopefully none of us see it but our grandkids might
Some of the migration is already happening, particularly in America.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36089209)
Let's be clear, climate activists harp on about saving the planet. Nothing could be further from the truth.
This planet will survive, the human race on the other hand...
Yup.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36089208)
I learned today that there is such a thing as an argumentative personality disorder. No matter what it is, whether trivial or not, they seek to disagree with everything and anything that others say:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/healthp...rsonality/amp/
No such disorder exists. :D

Chris 09-08-2021 23:25
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36089190)
Yup, the first link is one person's theory, the second link tangential.
Of course they are.

Climate denier “arguments” are typically characterised by an inability to critically appraise evidence and a tendency to select items that reinforce prior assumptions. They (and conspiracists more generally) betray their poorly developed critical skills by avoiding actually constructing arguments of their own. They prefer to demand their opponents “do their research” and may or may not provide a series of links or quotes with little evidence that they’ve understood or engaged with the material in its context.

pip08456 09-08-2021 23:54
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36089216)
Of course they are.

Climate denier “arguments” are typically characterised by an inability to critically appraise evidence and a tendency to select items that reinforce prior assumptions. They (and conspiracists more generally) betray their poorly developed critical skills by avoiding actually constructing arguments of their own. They prefer to demand their opponents “do their research” and may or may not provide a series of links or quotes with little evidence that they’ve understood or engaged with the material in its context.
Perhaps I'm a climate denier then as I don't believe this planet is in any crisis at all. It has existed for well over a billion years and has undergone many changes in climate and will continue to exist.

It is the future of the human race that is the crisis but do we hear about that? No, it's all about save the planet that doesn't need saving, it will heal itself when we are long gone.

Jaymoss 10-08-2021 00:01
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36089219)
Perhaps I'm a climate denier then as I don't believe this planet is in any crisis at all. It has existed for well over a billion years and has undergone many changes in climate and will continue to exist.

It is the future of the human race that is the crisis but do we hear about that? No, it's all about save the planet that doesn't need saving, it will heal itself when we are long gone.
I agree. The planet has been a lot hotter than it is now and it has been a lot colder also.

Humans have risen from the stone age to the technological age and in 250 years we have managed to bring ourselves to the edge of ruin

Pierre 10-08-2021 10:49
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
The Dutch have dealt dangerous sea levels quite successfully for a while.

Human ingenuity will mitigate many of the affects of a changing climate.


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