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and if i may i will second that :)

anyway , max stays


good for the sport i reckon , now all he needs to do is to beat the teams into shape and hopefully we will se some closer and more exciting racing :tu:

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you still have not answered my question.are conspiracy theorys banned on this forum.

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No they are not, and disagreeing with conspiracy theories is not either.

Funny that one of your posts is now agreeing with mine, that he is favored by his team.

He is a problem for the FIA as the dominationi of the Reds is causing the sport to become an event people don't bother to tune in and watch - thus meaning adverdising revenue is not hitting the market share and target market that it wants.

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It's possible.... after all one of _them_ could have infiltrated the team...... :)

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now whats this if its not being provocative and insulting mr moderator,i'm being accused of talking out of my arse.
i find this message insulting but theres no warning to paulyoung666

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i thought i'd already said that he was favoured by his team and certain f1 officials.

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nope just stating the truth imho ;) , conspiracy thoeries are fine and not banned as far as i know , but when every post is one then it becomes so very tiresome :o

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There are NO moderators currently culling this thread. They may be lurking, if you want to complain about that post press the http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...ons/report.gif button and do so, that will raise it to a mod.

But for all you know Neil could have a full time role in Ferrari motorsport engineering :( :rolleyes: and you will not be given the time of day :D

This could be a case for Mulder and Scully. The truth is out there.

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this post is not a conspiricay theory paulyoung666,its a fact

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now now , stop taking the p!ss :D :D :D :D

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[QUOTE=SMHarman]There are NO moderators currently culling this thread. They may be lurking, if you want to complain about that post press the http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...ons/report.gif button and do so, that will raise it to a mod.

But for all you know Neil could have a full time role in Ferrari motorsport engineering :( :rolleyes: and you will not be given the time of day :D



and i could be montoya's love child allegedly

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Well, this is all much more entertaining than any GP this season !

;)

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we aim to please,which is more than schumacher does

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report it then ;)

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no thanks i just want to see if a moderator picks up on it

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sauber on the up , i sincerely hope so :tu:

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don't they use ferrari engines

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yes and all the pickups for the rear suspension , your point is what ?????????????? :erm:

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i bet they don't use the same engine that michael schumacher does. lol
;)

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sorry paulyoung666 i couldn't resist that.

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as i recall they are customer ferarri engines , i.e. last years / last revision spec , i am not sure what point you are trying to make though :confused:

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see the above post wot i wrote

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git :mad: :mad:


:D :D :D

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Lol

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if anybody out there will still comunicate with me.
who do you think should get the williams drives

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webber for one , but it looks as though he is going to stay at jaguar :erm:
the other drive ??????????????????????

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i'd like to see villeneuve given another go in a decent car like the williams.
maybe hakkinen in the other.
but if i was dreaming, it would have to be mansell

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sorry to say but you are dreaming about all 3 i reckon , now alonso in a williams would be an interesting proposition :tu:

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yes i must agree with you there,but i can't see flavio letting him go.can you

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nope :erm:

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what about scott dixon or dario franchitti from the irl

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didnt Franchitti have a test drive and was so poor he went to IRL? would be another Andretti i think

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he tested for jaguar once,and if i remember right they had problems with the car.
but if you are looking at irl stars for f1,frank williams should take a look at sam hornish jnr,now there's a guy who knows how to win races.

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agreed some of these guys are good but i think the transition from IRL to GP is a lot harder than GP to IRL.

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I think Takuma Sato ought to get a shot at the big teams.

Ok, he's a little wild at the moment, but I think that's partly frustration that he can't get quite enough out of the BAR and I reckon he could turn out to be a very good driver.

I've just Googled and the latest news is that Pizzonia has got the Williams drive at the moment.

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possibly so,but if f1 is the pinnacle of motor racing,i think some of these guys should be given a try.
after all how can they call it the pinnacle of motor racing when if you have enough money you can buy a drive.just look at baumgartner,pantano,firman.guys like these wouldn't be looked at twice if they didn't bring big bucks to the teams.

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Well that's the marketting hype, anyway!

Personally I think the pinnacle of *racing* comes with the "single formula" championships where they're all driving the same car, so it is *really* down to driver skill (although I still think MS would keep winning!!)

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what about sato to williams,he seems to have a bit of get up and go about him

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You mean Formula Ford. One of the most entertianing forms of open wheel non contact racing. The pity is we dont see it on TV much.

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personally i can't wait for montoya to get to mclaren,with a good car and montoya with the right attitude i think we should see some good racing next year.
i rate him more than raikonen and coulthard.
and i think he is p*ssed off with williams at the moment so is not really trying.
besides montoya is the only driver ms is scared of

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Good Racing and F1 hmmm theres an antonym

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Not necessarily.

For instance the new circuit at Bahrain produced some stunning racing.

IMO courses like that should be the norm and nonsense like Monaco should be dumped.

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get rid of circuits like Monaco, significantly reduce downforce, more cars and then it might be worth watching

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f1 was good racing up until 1994,then it went sour apart from 1998 1999.
but like the man says what goes around comes around.i'm sure bernie will get them racing again when this dull excuse for f1 starts to hit him in the pocket.(low attendences at races less money for bernie,and less bargaining power when it comes to asking tv companies for more money for tv rights).

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i like monaco it tends to even the cars out a bit.more exciting racing especially in the tunnel

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huh? Monaco is generally a dash to the first corner and then its all over bar failures and pit stops. Its just there for the Glamour

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my favourite track is spa in belgium,to watch villeneuve go through eu rouge flat is pure motor racing bliss.

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go to be one of the best.

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I do remember JV being brave enough to consistently attempt to take eu rouge flat, didnt it end up with his willaims doing barrol rolls though ?

As for more broken parts expect the repair bills at McLaren to go up next year with jpm at the helm.

As for who should go to williams. I think button would be good to make his return to grove as i remember rightly he's still got the chance of going back. Though to be fair atm the BAR is the superiour car so I wouldnt risk moving if i was him. I think someone like massa, would go well in the car perhaps willson too, go on frank you know you want to :-)

K

Correction it was a BAR he put on its roof and so did zonta at the same corner

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Huh? I've only ever seen 2 - well, 1 and a half, racing maneouveres in the tunnel - both this season, and both ended up with a big sign saying 'don't do that again'.

Off the top of my head I can't think of a single overtaking point on the circuit, except for maybe Mirabeau & the chicane & only then if the driver in front totally outbreaks himself and drives off the circuit.

And surely you remember about 4 years ago when Coulthard got stuck behind an Arrows for about half an hour and just couldn't get past despite being a vastly superior driver in a vastly superior car?

Yes, it's got a great atmosphere but the racing's the worst in the calendar.

I actually like Indie the best; although I hate ovals -- sooooo boring -- the F1 circuit is great because of the overtaking opps at turn 1 coupled with the way you need totally different set up on the infield from the stretch on the oval, meaning the compromises you make for one part of the lap might give you a racing opp on the other.

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you want sky digi and motors tv ;)

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Having said that it is funny that attendances at this years F1 races are up on previous years with Silverstone being a sell-out.

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i meant the quality of racing,not attendences.but if f1 remains this boring with ms winning every time, attendences will start to drop.

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http://www.lyddenracecircuit.co.uk/ - If I had to pick ONE racing style, and ONE racing circuit, it would be Rallycross from Lydden Hill - the only place an Escort could race a Porsche, and the result not be a foregone conclusion.

The cars which are best on the tarmac, usually tend to be pretty poor on the rough.

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and if we are going to go down that route then i would say croft as it was , not as it is :tu: , for rallycross it was the dogs whatsits ;)

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poo :( :td: :(

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deffo a good result for button , pretty good race as well i thought :tu:

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Almost right on the button with that.

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Where would Button have finished if it were not for the 10 place engine change penalty?

And what was the gizmo that they weren't allowed to use?

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My jaw hit the floor today, there was an overtaking manuovre between the top 3 cars ;)

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poor kimi i would not like to be in that camp tonight when he gets back what a shame could have been a real good race as i thought schui had AT LAST HAVE TO EARN HIS PAY but as per normal god looked down and smiled :D

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oh yes - brilliant drive by Button, amazing how he kept it together considering the problems he had with his helmet strap :tu:

I thought The TV director helped the enjoyment of the race by concentrating on the action, rather than showing Shumacher circulating on his own. The dice between Button & Alonso was the nearest I've seen to proper racing in any race this season.

It was also nice to see DC there or there abouts, but you have to feel sorry for Raikonnen - shame 'cos he looked the most likely to give Shumacher a race, for a change.

Got to wait 3 weeks now :(

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Did I miss something I watched the start, and dipped in between overs, but when it came to a choice of another Schumacher win and watching Andrew (Freddie) Flintoff, flail the West Indies bowling into the stands it was no contest.:)

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pretty damned scary was kimi's accident , i must admit to being a little surprised to see mclaren keeping dc out on the track after a failure like that , can you imagine the outcry if dc had the same problem and was injured or even killed :disturbd:

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Second ;)

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not quite so sure my friend , but then i guess we will never know ;) , i reckon it wont be long until jb wins a race :tu:

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Hmm, JB's fastest lap was about 1/3 of a second slower than MS's. That's a big difference. I think JB'll get a win maybe next season but good as the BAR is he'll need a better car to be a serious contender. When's Rubens planning to retire?

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and the fact that they fuelled up jb's car means nothing , if they had fuelled him up but he didnt have the penalty of starting 13th , makes me wonder it does ;)

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Yes, I agree, the BAR is a real surprise this year, and the car suits JB (and Taku when the engine isn't spreading itself over the racing line ...), I just don't think its as good as the Ferrari, and I don't think JB is as good as MS.

But that doesn't stop him from being a great driver. It's his bad luck *for now* that he's racing while MS & Ferrari are dominating so much, but I think in about 5 years he'll see the benefits when MS&F are no longer the same force and JB'll have all the experience from having had such a high target to aim at when he were a real slip of a lad.

Future champion? Just maybe.

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jb deffo future champ i reckon :tu:

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i was thinking about this the other day.. basically for Ferrari now read Benetton 94-95. They bought Shuey and then he got Ferrari to sign Bryne, Brawn etc from Benetton. yes they have developed some people in house since then but alot of the team was purchased from others during the 90s.. not sure what the old man would have made of Ferrari today

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webber goes to williams

and

schumacher in race of champions

i will deffo keep an eye out for the race of champs program , should be well interesting :tu:

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me too, I've not seen this for a while, but from what I remember, it's quite a lot of fun, with different types of cars over the rounds & taking it in turns to go the 'long' way round the circuit. I just hope it is shown on terrestrial or Eurosport ;)

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looks like ferrari wont be giving up after schumacher leaves:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/3933357.stm

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you didnt really expect ferrari to give up when schumie leaves did you :D :D :D

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I can see why they would like to have an Italian driver, though ;)

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nope, just wanted to send a warning to those who thought that ferraris dominance is over, it may have only just begun :Yikes: :shocking:

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I'd be surprised if they did give up. Regarding their dominance, all they need is one bad season, and that may finish. Don't think it's going to happen anytime soon though.

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nah, you remember a few seasons back ferrari started to lose it to mclaren, look what happend since then ;)

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i expect the end of this season to be closer than the beginning , ok ok so i am talking ****e but you never know :D :D :D :D

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you dont know really, but im more likely to win the lottery or be able to fly on my own accord than that happening :D ;) :p: :p: :p:

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Without Schumacher, they may not be so lucky..


Actually, I remember hearing an interview with Murray Walker a while back. They asked him about Ferrari's dominance of F1, and he said it has always happened. A team seems unbeatable for two or three years, then either they make a bad mistake, or the other teams get better and another team dominates for two or three years.

I personally don't think Ferrari would do too well if both Ross Braun and Schuey left (I know nobody has said either is going to leave).

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Going on form to date, I can't disagree, however Hockenheim may have been a more level playing field if Raikonnen hadn't had the wing failure and Button had started from 3rd, with the extra fuel ;)

Like Paul, I'll be interested to see what the last third of the season brings, especially as some of the tracks will be hot, which suits Michelin more than Bridgestone :p: - que sera, sera ;)

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True, Raikonnen was flying until that happened. I still think Button had the best drive of his career, and possibly was the best driver in the race. He (or the car) didn't seem to have the pace to match Schumacher though.

Should be fun..

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tbh - so long as it is, I don't care who wins, Stu, - Shumi pretty much has the championship in the bag, anyway. The encouraging thing is that McClaren & BAR are looking more competitive - I wouldn't be happy if I were Frank Williams, though!

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I think Shumi could retire now, and still be champion..

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i saw him pre race, he looked well narked took a swipe at ferrari as well, made it look like he was talking in jest but you could see he meant it :erm: :p:

i doubt ross braun will leave, i know him and schumacher have built a telepathic relationship but when schumi retires i doubt ross will go.

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minardi lose sponsorship , i wonder how long before they fold , i hope they dont i just wonder :erm:

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yeah already read that.. seems a strange way to leave the team argueing how to pay tribute to the sporting director who had died.. I remember reading last year how bernie was helping them find sponsors.. if they pull out then McLaren, Ferrari, Williams will have to run a third car to make up the grid so it's in everyones best interests to keep Minardi going.. hence the fighting fund idea from a few seasons ago

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it does seem rather strange tbh , i hope they keep going :tu:

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Button goes back to Williams

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/3540478.stm

or maybe not

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/3540970.stm

sounds like a good move to me and Williams have a very strong lineup for next year. Would have liked to have seen Mika or Jacques back for next year in a williams but button just as good.

Wonder who BAR will get now

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Is Button moving to Williams or not?

Confused? You will be...! :confused:

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From the ITV F1 Website

the deal "premature & invalid"

Question is.... has he done the right thing? <What do you all think>

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Well IMO the move to Williams / BMW would be a very good move. :cool:

A Championship capable partnership in anyones eyes. :) Webber would be a superb stablemate. :)

Has to be said though the BAR team were doing a great job as well, but I didn't think powerful enough to grab the title next year. How could JB stay with BAR now ? ...... They must be mighty p*ssed at him ?? :disturbd:

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It's a little intangible until we know how changes to the regulations affect the relative performance of the cars, next season. However, based on current performance, I reckon he is making a mistake. Williams have not been competitive, so far, this season............

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They are 4th behind BAR and lost Ralf recently. :rolleyes:

Seems pretty competitive. :dozey:

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it's all relative - personally I don't feel Ralf has been an asset, this season - and, as you say, they are behind BAR - with McClaren rapidly improving??

- perhaps I should have said not competitive, enough ;) - I just don't rate Williams, at the moment - and if Sato's engine didn't keep lunching itself, BAR would be even further ahead..... :p:

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Agreed...apart from MS I feel the latter part of this season will be quite exciting (well I hope so anyway !!).

BAR, Williams & McLaren baying at Schumi's heels :erm: Lets hope the Ferrari reliability gets a cold ! ;)