Originally Posted by Mal

Denial you are in...

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Glasgow actually.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

I never insinuated you did say that, i simply pointed out that your bloody media do and continue to ram it down our throats even during games which have bugger all to do with England, I really dont want to know every time Sven has a dump.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Glasgow actually.

Oh and i didnt mention the China / India thing as it was a pointless statement, China and India does not have football as a national sport.

Its a bit like saying India should be good at snowboarding because they have so many people.

Originally Posted by Mal

<snip> What about the USA? Out of the teams at the world cup, they probably have the largest population, yet don't have a chance.

Originally Posted by Flobajob

So now it's "OUR" media, and you have a problem with them going overboard about "OUR" team ...

Originally Posted by ikthius

slightly off football, I like how it is england and scotland for football, but britain for athletics, cause the english need the scots to do well.
:angel: :D :erm:

ik

Originally Posted by pedantic

It's interesting how the scottish whine about 1966, and yet TBR has mentioned 1967 enough times in this thread. Double standards eh. ;)

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

I've mentioned 1967 twice in response to allegations of Scotland being poor.

If thats double standards compared to the English media banging on about 1966 almost daily since 1966 then there's something wrong.

Originally Posted by Flobajob

So now it's "OUR" media, and you have a problem with them going overboard about "OUR" team ...

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

I've mentioned 1967 twice in response to allegations of Scotland being poor.

If thats double standards compared to the English media banging on about 1966 almost daily since 1966 then there's something wrong.

Originally Posted by pedantic

And made full use of those posts, with a child-like attitude I might add.

off the park

off the park

off the park

Look familiar ?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Hmmm winning one match does compare to winning the World Cup doesn't it :p:

Originally Posted by Mal

Not really pointless is it though? If it is pointless, it makes your point, useless then. Saying about it is not their national sport is just a weazel out isn't it? What about the USA? Out of the teams at the world cup, they probably have the largest population, yet don't have a chance.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Glad you hate it!

Originally Posted by pedantic

I never said I hate it.

That would give you exactly what you crave, the "belief" that you can wind me up. As if ! :D

Originally Posted by bbc

Put in this perspective, Scotland's victory against England at Wembley, the first game England had lost since becoming World Champions, fits within Scotland's canon of glorious failures, such as the win over Holland in 1978 and 2003, rather than the famous victory it is generally considered to be.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

I know i did.

Originally Posted by danielf

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/sports.../article/0022/



No mention of the subsequent 6-0 thumping in 2003 then :rofl:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Funny that being on the BBC website isnt it.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Funny that being on the BBC website isnt it.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Notice you have not disagreed with a single word of it though ;)

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Yes,
Your media goes on about England constantly without a single thought about the fact that they broadcast into other countries. Why should we concider ourselves part of the Uk when they dont concider the fact that we are in the UK too.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

I never insinuated you did say that, i simply pointed out that your bloody media do and continue to ram it down our throats even during games which have bugger all to do with England, I really dont want to know every time Sven has a dump.

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Do the Daily Record not cover the Scottish teams then? Do BBC Scotland not cover the Scottish teams? I won't ask about the ITV companies, as from what I can see, they don't seem to bother with local broadcasts anymore.

Same thing with Wales.

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Do the Daily Record not cover the Scottish teams then? Do BBC Scotland not cover the Scottish teams? I won't ask about the ITV companies, as from what I can see, they don't seem to bother with local broadcasts anymore.

Same thing with Wales.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

perhaps if Scotland or Wales ever qualified for it they would recieve equal press,

Originally Posted by Russ D

Sorry mate but that's just rubbish, when Wales won the 6 nations two years ago, the coverage we had was nothing like what England gets.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

No one cares about rugby when England wins, it hardly gets blanket coverage

Originally Posted by Russ D

:rofl:

Come on mate...you're not serious.....right?

You remember when England won the rugby World Cup?? It's all we had for about a week.

Originally Posted by dezzo

And its not like the Ashes were an internationally contested competetion.

So England beat a team from a country about 1/3 of their size for the first time in recent memory and thats the cause of honours and the usual BBC sports personality of the year overload.

Originally Posted by dezzo

And its not like the Ashes were an internationally contested competetion.

So England beat a team from a country about 1/3 of their population for the first time in recent memory and thats the cause of honours and the usual BBC sports personality of the year overload.

Originally Posted by Stuart C

So, how do Scotland do at Cricket?

Originally Posted by danielf

It's a bit sad really, that this thread sees more posts than the other one. The world cup is on lads (and lasses)! Your country may or not be in it, but if you like your footie you should be posting in the other thread where we (hopefully) discuss the actual games...

Originally Posted by Stuart C

So, how do Scotland do at Cricket?

Originally Posted by Mal

The Scotland fans want to attack us, what do you expect us to do? ;) :D

Originally Posted by danielf

Ignore them, and post your opinions on today's games. You have watched them haven't you? For a country that is supposedly footie mad, I find the lack of posts in the other thread worrying. It's the bloody world cup. It doesn't get any bigger. Get your footie hat on and discuss the actual games!

Originally Posted by Mal

There is rivalry at stake here, you know! ;)

Originally Posted by danielf

So you don't actually watch the matches then? I have to say I'm more than a little disappointed. Could be good though. "England bow out of world cup due to fans having no interest in the actual game"

Originally Posted by Mal

:scratch: Where did I say that I didn't watch the matches?

Originally Posted by danielf

You didn't. I'm just surprised there's no discussion of the actual matches.

Originally Posted by danielf

Just England/Scotland/Wales supporters slagging each other of.

Originally Posted by danielf

Oh, I give up! I thought there were some supporters of the game here. Apparently I was wrong.

Originally Posted by Mal

Why have you got Aanvullah in your user title for? From what I gathered from what you have said, it doesn't exactly have a "lets be friends" use.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You are unbelievable that was the World Cup its a bit different, you ask the average bloke on the street if he likes rugby and his likely answer is 'yeah I love the five nations' :erm: , to which you say 'but it's six nations now Italy joined' cue bemused looks ;)

Originally Posted by pedantic

The trouble is, the scottish are very bitter, hence the title of this thread. Bitter, with a massive inferiority complex.

But we English like a good chuckle, watching them recruit as many people from the home nations against us as they possibly can. :D

Originally Posted by Russ D

It's nothing to do with whether people are bothered by rugby or not! The simple fact is when England win any major tournament we get wall to wall coverage - when any other home nation wins all we get is a few pages!

Are you seriously trying to tell me you don't think that happens???

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Your nation has never won any World cups and until they do I guess we will never know ;) :p:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The papers are hardly 'saturated' when we win the Six Nations,

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

things like The Ashes were different because it was for the first time in twenty odd years we had won it, desides if you don't like whats written I am sure there are Welsh National papers.

Originally Posted by Russ D

Selective memory then...? :)

Yes - and they cover the news in Wales. I want a newspaper which covers the whole of the UK - is that so hard to understand?

Originally Posted by carlingman

And of course not to mention the papers are saturated with Englands recent tour in Rugby as they are doing so well against Australia etc.

:D

More a case of World Chumps not World Champs.

:D

Originally Posted by pedantic

Not being funny here, but both Russ and Carlingman support english teams that are not short of good coverage in the press. Both Man U, and Arsenal, are plastered all over the tabloids, week in and week out. What would your response be to your respective rivals, when they bleat on about your dominance in the press I wonder ? Having lived in both Manchester, and East London, I know how it irritates the respective rival clubs. Hence the reason, I find all this talk of press dominance a tad hypocritical.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Seeing as Wales have never won anything that will make you just Chumps then :p: :)

Originally Posted by Russ D

Don't forget I also support a Welsh team ;)

Originally Posted by Russ D

The difference is I don't object to, say Arsenal getting loads of coverage when they win something (if anyone can remember those days ;) )

Originally Posted by Russ D

No matter what Wales do, none of our teams will get the same level of coverage.

Originally Posted by Russ D

And as for as long as that is the case, I will object to it.

Originally Posted by SlackDad

Are there not good quality regional papers in your area that have good national coverage? The Scotsman and Daily Record in Scotland surely do not cover England with such fervour.

Originally Posted by Russ D

No there aren't. The closest we have is the Western Mail but it's not my type of paper. Even if there was a Welsh equivalent of the Scotsman we still have the issue of tv coverage too. A percentage of our BBC output is dedicated to Wales but the rest still goes overboard when England win. I pay my licence fee just like anyone else so I don't expect my national team to be swept aside in favour of a story on who England are playing!

Originally Posted by SlackDad

I guess it's a case of you can't please all the people all the time.

Originally Posted by SlackDad

It must be true that if Wales were in the World Cup then the coverage would be more representative. Moreover - and I'm not being funny - but if the Welsh team had the same level of players and expectation as the England team then the coverage would be more level IMO.

Originally Posted by Russ D

It's more a case of "we don't want to please all the people".



That's a possibilty but it's still not fair and equal reporting though is it? That's what I object to. When all the home nations play, regardless of who or what England are doing, I want to hear about Wales first. The national news is just that - national.

Originally Posted by SlackDad

But if national means the UK the team which is in the most important competition or doing the best should by rights be reported on first, regardless of who this is.

Originally Posted by SlackDad

If England had not qualified for the World Cup but Wales, Scotland, or NI had then I'm sure the coverage would have been extensive

Originally Posted by SlackDad

If you mean national to mean Wales then I agree with you that national coverage should focus on Welsh teams. Does this not happen at all, with Welsh news editions?

Originally Posted by Flobajob

I think the media should cater more for the majority in the British Isles, everyone knows that Scotland and Wales will never have a hope in hell of getting anywhere in the World Cup so no-one's interested in hearing about them.

Originally Posted by Russ D

You've just about gauranteed yourself a pile of gloating PMs when England fail again :D

Originally Posted by Russ D

As far as I'm concerned if they're all playing in the same tournament or at the same stage the coverage should be equal.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Can we get back to the insults and childish one up man ship please

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Thank you

Originally Posted by punky

Fair enough, but considering 84% of the UK is English, with 50m as opposed to 3m in Wales and 5m in Scotland. Time is tight and so the majority would have to be catered for. TV coverage etc is a business like any other. I imagine the Angolan population in the UK is pretty small which is why they don't get much coverage here. Anyone showing a English game will get a much bigger slice of the pie due to the population size, than someone showing a Welsh/Scottish game.

Originally Posted by Russ D

You've just about gauranteed yourself a pile of gloating PMs when England fail again :D

Originally Posted by Russ D

And that is why threads like this will appear along with anti-English sentiments when it comes to sport. Sod the little guy, let's just keep the majority happy.

Possibly the only time political correctness goes out of the window eh ;)

Originally Posted by Flobajob

No-one's saying that we're going to win the world cup, the point is, we have a far better team than Wales or Scotland (to be fair, even our local under 5's team could outplay the Welsh national side) and the majority of people in the UK are ENGLISH and are far more interested in hearing about their own team rather than one's that didn't have the skill to even qualify.

Originally Posted by punky

Anyway, if it did happen and the BBC had the rights to them all and all 4 we're playing simultaneously, they'd be nothing to argue over as BBC1 would show the England game, BB1 Wales woudl show the Welsh game, etc...

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I don't see what the argument is about. I thought that regional areas of the BBC showed the games that matter to those specific areas. So if Wales were playing an international on same day as ENgland BBC Wales would show the welsh game and BBC england show the england one. Is this not how it works?

Originally Posted by Russ D

So are you saying that on any given day when the home nations are playing World Cup or European qualifiers England should automatically be given preference?

Originally Posted by Russ D

So as I said, sod the little guy then.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Maybe Russ will be happy when Treveor McDermott heads the sports bulletin with "Sorry to all you ENgland fans, but we will begin this broadcast by saying how crap the Welsh team are for not qualifying for the World Cup and the same goes to Scotland cause they couldnt beat the Faoroe ISlands...."

Anyway I don't even support England and when they played Scotland (both in footy and rugby), I always wanted the scots to win (underdogs and Kenny Daglish and all that), and I still think Russ is going a bit OTT with his moaning!

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I would say its biased if all national teams had the same level of support. But the reality is more people in the UK support ENgland then any other national team. Additionally (from what Ive heard at the WC) England have one of the highest followings of any of the teams playing. There were 30,000 in the PAraguay game (from an official allocation of 5k). Wouldn't you agree that that level of support warrants the larger share of the coverage.

Originally Posted by Nugget

In this instance, I'd agree. However, the way I read what Russ is saying is that, in the event (however un/likely it is) that all 4 Home Nations qualified for the World / European Cup, the media is intrinsically biased towards England - regardless of the population count within the 4 nations, there should be a more liberal split, if for no other reason that the Welsh aren't confined to Wales, just as the English aren't confined to England :)

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

However since thats not gonna happen (i.e Wales qualifying for the WC) whats the point in arguing, lol ;)

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

According to Russ they did qualify in the 1950's, anyone remember that, no thought not :D :p:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

....Larsson, Larsson, Larrson. :hyper:

Originally Posted by bhoywonder1967

What's the odds on the King of Kings for a treble??

Originally Posted by Russ D

Jesus is in the World Cup?? :eek:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

MY GOD!

I go away for a few days and you lot (the Jellied eel lovers) are STILL banging on and on and on in this thread and its specifically not even about you - its about anyone BUT you for god sake.

Talk about Paranoid!

I mean this thread has about 1000 more views than the proper one.... :rofl:

I think you all know your going out soon - and i think your trying to get as much in as possible before you desert this thread in DROVES the minute you flap out the World Cup.

To all the people on here not from that Paranoid land - get behind your team, if Sweden fail, you just get somebody else to support! Enjoy the World Cup for what it is - a laugh at Englands expense!

BRING ON THE ENGLAND!

Larsson, Larsson, Larrson. :hyper:

Originally Posted by Russ D

Seeing as so many of you are completely failing to grasp my very simple point, I'll go over it again.

One last time.

When it is only England playing, it makes sense for them to be given media coverage. No problems there. What I object to is when England have a game (in any competition or even a friendly) the amount of coverage they're given vastly outweights that given to the other home countries when they play.

When all the home nations (or one of them as well as England) are playing, England are given priority in the Uk media. This, as I'm sure you will all agree, is completely unfair.

I pay for my licence like you guys pressumably do, so why should I feel like my national team is being treated like an afterthought on the national news?

There are very few (in fact I can only think of one) Welsh newspapers which report on the whole of the UK and of course we are given much more fair coverage there, but they are not my style of newspaper.

So all in all, The media, as Nugget can see and agree with, is biased towards England. Completely unfair and it's for this reason that threads like this will pop up and also the reason why the rest of us aren't as enthusiastic about England. Nothing to do with jealousy, just the way we are treated.

Originally Posted by bhoywonder1967

:shocked: Not quite what I would expect from a Bairn!! :p:

What's the odds on the King of Kings for a treble??

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Hey, i may not have liked him sticking goals past us, but i sure as hell will do when he bags a few at the expense of the English.

Lets just call it Ying/Yang... :D

Originally Posted by bhoywonder1967

Fair enough my friend, welcome to the Henrik Larsson Appreciation Society :)