Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Snoopz.
I cant find the graph you mentioned only one showing the daily tariff changes. I can change the dates in the My Savings section to get the start date as May and then add the savings for June. So I can compare a straight month or do a little math and get a more accurate comparison to what I would have paid if I were still on SVT.
My heads still a tad fuzzy after a birthday drink last night so none of the above may any make sense. Sorry :D

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Which Graph are we talking about? All the maths compared to my bill from the My Savings image is spot on give or take a few pence, if you click on the bars it'll give you the saving per month in my image or the total savings since going onto the Tracker on the right of the image.

My Savings
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1718275608

Data Checker
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1718275695

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

You swapped in April which means you now have a 3 months showing. I have May and June which is right for me, I can go into the daily breakdown which for May correctly shows savings from the 5th when I went over to the Tracker pricing. When I get my first correct bill next month when I should get a credit for being charged the SVT I can compare the correct dates and get a more accurate idea of my savings. As long as I am saving something I will be satisfied.

On the missing data checker I have none showing which shows that Octopus have sorted out the missing data days but I have to say I have far less darker than base level squares than you have on yours. Can I grin? :D

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I'm not sure why you would get a credit? When I switched over they billed me on the old Tariff up until I went on the Tracker, then another bill from the Tracker start date, is that not what happened to you?

Edit
It may have been the same bill but it's all listed separately.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I did have a split bill before the last one which showed the correct Tracker start date so why the correct details for the following bill weren't used I don't know. It was only when I looked at my meter reading history that I realised readings were missing, and as a bill was due out, I phoned them up. I was told that as an estimated bill had been generated any overpayment using the correct reading would be credited on the next bill which will be due at the beginning of July.

The bill with an estimated SVT rate for both Electricity and Gas, arrived the next day.

They have sorted everything out and have added the correct readings with my account and the Octoprice site are now showing a the correct Tracker start date. My Balance history is showing a credit and the next bill will be for a month at the new rates less that credit so if I add back the credit I will :erm: should have the true overall amount I have been billed for that period.

What happened was a "total cockup with an attempted correction making things even worse" said the nice lady Octopus. :D

I'm almost past caring now. Shades of .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1dvAxA9ib0

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Well Octopus have now cancelled my duplicate appointment (they booked me for the 27th, and 28th).
So it should now go ahead on 27th June (in the afternoon).

In the meantime, OVO screwed up the meter readings they sent Octopus, swapping Night & Day.
I rang Octo support, they took a look and quickly agreed it was a cock-up, and have "raised a dispute" with OVO.

Switching is such fun. :erm:

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

And after all that hassle I hope your smart meters are able to send readings ok or it's more chaos.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

The bright red squares will be the times I turn on the oven which changes depending whether I'm working a late or early shift each week. The Orange will be my addiction to Dave the Diver game on my Playstation 5, so that'll be the TV and PS5 on for long hours, however my Electricity bill is still peanuts(£42 for May) compared to other people's.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

All you here are they break down often, I prefer to read m6 own meter

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Mines never not worked. Occasionally a small delay in it updating but only a day or two.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

You can read your own smart meter if you want.

AFAIK, mechanical meters are no longer made, or at least rare now, so eventually all the existing ones will get replaced.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I was against getting smart meters but now I think in my experience there is no negative only positives and definitely saves money with being on the Tracker Tariff, I'm averaging around 19p/kWh instead of the regular 25.25p.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I have had smart meters for years now and they have always worked. As for the tracker tariff it has saved me a small fortune as i am a heavy user of electric. I was going to move to Agile but i am still not 100% sure it is best for me at this time.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Once we get our smart meters installed I may come and ask you for some help if that’s ok. When we moved to octopus they said our electric usage was double of what they would class a heavy user.

Having been with octopus now for three months we’ve already saved over £300 vs being on Scottish power and that’s just on the fixed rate tariff

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

If you set your octopus settings to every 30min, I think you can then load the data into various tools that will compare the tariffs for you.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yes, you also have to have it set to every 30mins to be able to go onto Tariffs like Tracker, Agile etc.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Agile I can understand, but Tracker is a daily rate, so why does it need 30 minute readings ?

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

You make a good point about Tracker and I can't find any info where it says you need to change the preferences to 30mins for any Smart Tariffs but when I had mine installed I'm sure I read it somewhere, maybe it was when I clicked through the signup page.

I think their Home Mini thingimajig may even beam readings every 10mins, mine gets delivered tomorrow.

If you or anyone wants to go onto the waiting list you can signup here.

https://octopus.energy/blog/octopus-...addmetothelist

Thats the BEST way to do it!!

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

My home mini can be set to display 5 mins or 30mins

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Are you finding it useful?

Edit
Mines just been put under my gate in the rain, not sure why they didn't knock on the door that I was standing next to.

Edit 2
It's a shame I have to connect my mobile phone to the 2.4Ghz WiFi for it to work.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Looks like you only need the 2.4Ghz WiFi on your mobile device that the app is on during setup, still don't understand why.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Perhaps the mini only has 2.4Ghz, thats the case with most automation devices.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

My confusion is why it is only on setup because I've now changed my phone back to 5Ghz and the device is still working, it was giving me the impression that the device was connected to my phone all the time but I can now see it in the router devices as a 2.4 device so that's fine.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yes i use it more than the fixed display :)

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I've unplug the IHD as it's not needed.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Good point having seen your post my IHD is unplugged and in the cupboard :clap:

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I was out in my car today and needed to charge at the motorway services, Stopped at Charnock Richard and used the Applegreen chargers to top up. The charge went straight on my Octopus Electroverse rift card. I then pay on my electric bill at the end of the month. Excellent additional service by octopus.

Anyone here that has a Octopus account and an EV pm me for a code if you want to join.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Smart meters installed yesterday, nothing showing on the IHD yet

Installer found a slight leak on the existing gas meter , apparently lots of people have them but don’t realise

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I had a minute leak with gas too, but it was so small it was nothing to worry about and with in legal specification to not fix, couldn't actually trace where it came from.

My IHD worked with in an hour, although its not needed and I have now unplugged it since getting the Octopus Home Mini which allows for checking everything via the Octopus App. It mainly gives you a Live reading for either 5 or 30mins for Electricity or every 30mins for Gas, It's worth getting it seeing it's free.

Join the waiting list it takes a month or so.
https://octopus.energy/blog/octopus-home-mini/

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Got it installed last week, the numbers are being fed to octopus but the HID is still not showing anything so I turned it off.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

You could try moving it closer to the meters.

You can also check your data is getting sent properly via https://www.octopriceuk.app/tracker you will need to add your post code and customer API key. You can then check your data from the hamburger menu under 'data checker'

It'll look something like this, I do have 3 30min segments of missing data from the 11th but from experience when they do the bill it'll be normal again, but if your data shows as N/A you may have an issue.


https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1719136787

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Interestingly I’m getting gas meter readings in the octopus app but nothing in the app for leccy and nothing on the ihd

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

They do say it takes days for all the steps to work properly, my elecy was instant but my gas meter took 24hrs before that got commissioned, and it's display changed.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

The hid seems to be on some separate system. The Octopus site gets the data one or two days after and all that is fine but my HID still shows nothing - and yes it it near the meter.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

The IHD is irrelevant really you don't need it and all it does is connect to your meters to show the readings, similarly to the Home Mini which I recommend signing up for then you get more info in the Octopus app on your usage.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

With the SVT Cap prices being reduced from 1st July it brings the until price extremely close to the Tracker daily prices so I'm going to have to keep an eye on this.

Does anyone know if Octopus bring out a better Tracker Tariff whether us on an older Tracker are able to switch onto it?

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

No idea, but they failed to turn up on Thursday to install mine.
Still waiting for them to fix the fracked up meter readings as well.

Not impressed with Octopus so far.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

It's going to get extremely complicated if they haven't fixed the meter readings when they do turnup for the install.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Still nothing on the electric meter in either IHD or app.
Octopus support have gone silent

Like Paul so far I’m unimpressed

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I got my Octopus Home Mini on Saturday and it's up and running. Has anyone tried switching off Bluetooth and relying just on the wifi connection to keep their mobile app updating readings on their phone?

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I read you only need Bluetooth on for the setup, you can also ditch the IHD too if you want.

Neither device is needed but I find the Home Mini to be more useful.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I never even thought about keeping both devices and I have now turned off the Bluetooth. So I'll see how the readings look tomorrow. Clears SnoopZ. :tu:

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

What I was once told is if you can or cannot see your readings is irrelevant. It's if your supplier can or not see it and to use your account online to do check that :shocked:

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Read my meters yesterday it was a terrible strain, took all of 3 seconds. Adjusted figures of course, to take account of the cheaper rates coming in . If these 'smart' meters could do that, I'm in ;)

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Just checked the Octopus mini app and, without Bluetooth enabled, all the reading are still showing.

I wish it was possible to get live readings for gas as well, maybe it will be added to the mini sometime in the future :shrug:

Online site is functioning as normal with just the additional live usage figure for electricity having been added.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

And now the gas readings are no longer showing in the app…..

Marvellous

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Checked my friends then rang home to look on line :shocked: seems to be fine . However her standing order hadn't changed since it last went up , Jan 24 ?

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

You don't get free daily coffee and occasionally a donut doing it that way though, you also don't get smart tariffs. ;)

If all works perfectly then it's great, but if it doesn't then it's not, but that can happen to old meters too, like Paul has experienced.

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Unlikely to get live readings with Gas as they work differently as the readings are always atleast 24hrs behind.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

A nice drop in Tracker Electricity prices in my area tomorrow, from 20.23p to 12.73p, I think that is the biggest step drop I've seen since joining back in April.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Next door had a boiler tech out as their boiler kept on tripping off. Tests showed that the flow from the meter was far too low. A gas guy came out and did his checks and ordered a new smart meter which he fitted a couple of hours later. The internal valve had "partially stuck". Still no contact to upload or download readings, and the internal display is intermittent.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

After reading your post I've just learnt that someone with Medium Gas pressure cannot have a Smart Meter installed but someone with Low pressure can, no idea why, I've no idea how to find out what pressure mine is.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

"The majority of gas supplies are low pressure (LP). A relatively small number of supplies are medium pressure (MP).

Most medium pressure supplies have a yellow or orange Emergency Control Valve (ECV) handle that indicates if a site is medium pressure. A red ECV indicates low pressure."

https://forum.ovoenergy.com/smart-me...i-contact-1827

Wow from 20 to 12???

Holy Maird thats quite a difference!!!

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Well that is what you can get from having a smart meter and so far it has saved money over a month.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

It's something about that particular day. Maybe because the weather is changing. On agile you are getting paid to use electricity in the early afternoon.

This won't be a long term thing.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Still cheaper for me to be on Tracker some days, yesterday Tracker was 15p cheaper compared to Agile.

My average unit rate across a month is around 19p.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Which of course requires a company competant enough to turn up and install one when they say they will. Octopus have failed that test. :td:

We got something in the mail again the other day --- 5 years later about them putting this IN MORE HOUSES but it stilll says you can opt out and have a conventional meter installed and I hope my dad will listen to me and ask for a conventional meter...... I dont mind paying someone 14p to keep reading the meter..... Its worth it not having that stuff here!!

I have heard not good stuff about it and I really dont want it here..... May cause more AM radio interference,etc........... (I have enough interference as it is)

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

There is nothing wrong with smart meters. How many times. The things you think are not usually true. Especially AM radio interference.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

They fry your brains. Fact ;)

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That’s what THEY* want you to think!!!

*Big Tinfoil

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Personal experience I presume ? ;)

Well the fact they are still allowing ppl to opt out means THEY KNOW THEY ARE NOT 100% SAFE...... (Those who do take this are willlingly taking this in. Those who know whats what,can opt out of it)

Otherwise they would outright force it on all.......

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

No that's not the reason at all. They are just giving people a choice. Eventually everyone will have smart meters. Maybe just just don't want the expense of switching them all out. If your old meter works then fine. Keep on it till it needs a replacement.

Also it's not a question of safety. They aren't dangerous or harmful.

"Letting this in' Letting what in, a vampire, an illegal immigrant?

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Can you, for once, just stop talking absolute and complete gibberish

Please & Thank you

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

You really do talk so much bollocks all the time no wonder people think you're a bit strange and very gullible.

Im sorry,please forgive me...

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

So i have now moved to the Agile tariff. So i will be charging my car tomorrow afternoon and they will be paying me 4.16p per KWH. My car will need 38 KWH to fill. Plus we will be using the washing machine and dryer at the same time :)

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Glad it is working out positively for you. For me I don't have an EV and I couldn't possibly shift my usage when at home when the the prices are far over the SVT in my evenings, I've compared my Tracker with Agile on the Octopus Compare app and over the last month Tracker is slightly cheaper for me in pence.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Well octopus have booked another appointment, this time in August.
I actually got a confirmation email as well, so its entirely possible it might happen.

They finally admitted their error, and fixed my broken meter readings as well.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

It's a shame the tracker rates have changed for July onwards, for example I'm on the April Tracker Tariff and my Electric tomorrow will be 19.70 and Gas 4.16 but on the July Tracker it would be Electric 21.34 and Gas 4.56.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I thought the point of a "Tracker" is it goes up/down, not a fixed price ?

Are they still letting you guys Opt out in the UK if ya dont want one??

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I heard that much bad reports about them, I just decided to keep reading my own meter, SP keep asking me if the can come and install one, Not sure how long I can put them off

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yes, but they ignore that , and still keep pestering about it at every opportunity.

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As long as you don't respond, or let them have access, then quite a long time.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Your last statement is wrong…. To my knowledge They don’t need your permission to change a meter if it’s at end of life and they can if they want get a warrant of entry and if you refuse access police can and will be called

You don’t own the meter the energy company does

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

It's fixed for a year when you join the Tracker but I believe they have to change it every 3 months to a different fixed price, I'm not sure why but the first Tracker was December 23 then April 24 and now July 24.

Basically when you sign up you get it fixed for 12 months based on the formula used for that period.

Ya thats the sad part.... Really they can do whatever they want at any time!!

I guess it comes down to whos will is stronger??

Ya its GOOD to resist as long as possible!!!

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Not really.
When Ive switched, the new supplier usually contacted me to say my meter is past its working life, and needs changing.
Each time Ive replied saying not interested, and they have not really bothered me again.

Not so true now.
The majority of old meters are now approaching EOL, and are no longer made, so SMART is the only replacement choice.
If they want, they can force you to change, just like they can force you onto prepay. So far they choose not to do this, but the time will come.
On top of that, they are slowly making all the better/cheaper tariffs for SMART meters only, so holding out will eventually just cost you more.
There comes a point when it just makes little sense to keep waiting, a point I have now reached.

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Its really not. Again you need to get away from conspiricy theories.

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The tracker site I looked at shows a daily price.
So I understood it to mean you paid the tracker price each day.

[ Easily done since SMART meters can take daily readings ]

What you describe is nothing more than a fixed rate tariff.
That seems pointless and doesnt seem like it needs a smart meter either.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

I'm sorry it's hard for me to explain I'll try again.

You get a daily fixed tracker price and you will know tomorrow's prices before midnight.

Octopus for whatever reason have to change the formula used for the Tracker which seems to be every 3 months, I guess this is because of price cap changes.

The Tracker Tariff for December 2023 which is fixed(formula) for 12 months which you could get up until it was changed in April is more favourably prices than April or Julys versions.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Looking on the Octopus site, the price changes daily.

What seems to be fixed is the formula used to work out the price, and the standing charge.
The price per unit changes daily (using the formula). You keep that fixed formula for 12 months.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yes that is what I tried to explain in my last post.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Energy companies have always owned the meters. It's not a new thing.

It's not good to resit. Step away from all the conspiracies.

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Yes 'resistance is useless' as residents of Skaro say ;)

So we should willingly accept stuff that isnt good for us??

These smart meters bombard your whole house with RF energy that YOU CANT GET AWAY FROM unless the power goes out!

Of course the power companies are trying to force this... THEY MAKE OUT LIKE BANDITS!!

http://techwellness.com/blogs/expert...out-for-health

Not everything new in this world IS GOOD.....

Here’s why people, communities and governments around the world are rejecting smart meters:

• Radiofrequency interference causing malfunctioning of wireless equipment such as Wi-Fi and Netflix
• Radiofrequency interference causing malfunctioning of medical equipment such as pacemakers and wireless insulin pumps
• Radiofrequency spikes causing appliances to break
• Health effects like migraines, nausea, vomiting, muscle spasms, heart palpitations and sleeplessness caused by intense bursts of radiofrequency radiation that has just been classified as a “possible carcinogen” by the World Health Organization — in the same category as lead, engine exhaust and DDT
• Cybersecurity breaches
• Excessive billing
• Interception of personal identity information
• Electrical fires

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

To be blunt here, you really are talking complete bollox now.
If you believe that complete nonsense I'm sure we can sell you a tin foil hat or two.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

All of that is complete and utter balls. They once back in the 90s tried to claim mobile phones would give us cancer! Just no, stop.

Have you any idea how many radio frequencies are already around you every day! A smart meter ain't gonna make any difference. TV signals, AM/FM radios. Mobile phones, wireless networking.....I could go on.

Excessive billing is 100% fabricated conspiracy and paranoia, same for data breaches and electrical fires. Stop reading rubbish.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yet you use CRT monitors, you do know they emit radiation don't you?

Also in the USA since the invention of the transistor all babies have had one embedded in their brain within an hour of birth to enable CIA mind control. I'd be much more worried about that than a smart meter.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Dude111 you talk so much bloody bollox it's shocking.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Cybersecurity breaches
Interception of personal identity information

These are somewhat valid concerns. The greater issue is a huge amount of micromanaging your domestic lives with price changes in order to achieve some mythical net zero goal.

Or cutting of your electricity if they decide they don't like you.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Go on then what PII do they transmit ? And what is the cybersecurity breach risk ?

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

This should be labelled the tinfoil hat brigade thread! And since when was Netflix a piece of equipment? :D

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

They have my name, address, bank details and my energy usage data (once I have used the meter) for many years. This could indicate to criminals where my house is and the perfect time to rob me.

My pension got hacked 2 years ago and I had to check on experian if someone was stealing my identity. These hacks are entirely expected these days.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Smart meters transmit no PII whatsoever. Smart meters transmit usage and tariff that’s it

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Yes, but this data is then stored in the octopus energy database. I know because I can get it and use it in analysis tools.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Every company you deal with has personal info about you.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

So your issue isn’t with the smart meter then….

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So…. Finally getting readings into the octopus app but not the IHD (not important really)

Is there a site or app where you can plug your api key in and it will analyse your usage data and can recommend which tariff you should use ?

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

https://www.octopriceuk.app/compare
or
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...pus_comparison

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

Smart meters have no such information, thats utter nonsense.

Energy usage isnt personal information, nor does it provide any information on where your house is [Standing in front of it is generally a better location indicator].

The "octopus energy database" is not a smart meter, and the same information is stored in their database regardless of what type of meter you have.

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

The smart meter is there to facilitate this sort of data collection of information they would not normally have. That is the motivation for the technology. To pretend I literally mean the meter and only the meter is nonsense.