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Paul 27-01-2023 01:05
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All politicians are in it for themselves, anyone who thinks its one party only is deluded.

TheDaddy 27-01-2023 01:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36144501)
All politicians are in it for themselves, anyone who thinks its one party only is deluded.
Difference is of course other parties members curb their excesses, they don't encourage them

Paul 27-01-2023 02:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36144503)
Difference is of course other parties members curb their excesses, they don't encourage them
LOL.

You might want to look up a few 21st century expense scandels, Labour were just as guilty.

ianch99 27-01-2023 14:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36144504)
LOL.

You might want to look up a few 21st century expense scandels, Labour were just as guilty.
I look forward to the example of the Labour chancellor who tried to dodge paying tax on £20 million or when they funnelled £billions to their VIP lane chums, etc. :)

TheDaddy 27-01-2023 15:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36144504)
LOL.

You might want to look up a few 21st century expense scandels, Labour were just as guilty.
Don't really remember friends and donors benefitting from the expenses scandal like they have under this junta, the expenses scandal was chicken feed as bozo would say compared to what they've been up to recently

Mr K 27-01-2023 15:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36144522)
Don't really remember friends and donors benefitting from the expenses scandal like they have under this junta, the expenses scandal was chicken feed as bozo would say compared to what they've been up to recently
'Want a PPE contract for a few hundred million old school chum ? No problem old boy , have a knighthood whilst you're at it....'

papa smurf 29-01-2023 09:07
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Naders gets the sack


https://news.sky.com/story/nadhim-za...s-row-12793431

denphone 29-01-2023 10:04
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His position was untenable.

ianch99 29-01-2023 11:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36144328)
I think Zahawi is toast. The key to being a tax dodger is not to get caught
Always nice to have toast on a Sunday morning :)

richard-john56 29-01-2023 20:10
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Another one bites the dust.

Mr K 31-01-2023 08:14
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Britain's economic reputation has been dealt a further blow after the International Monetary Fund (IMF) forecast that this year the UK economy will fare worse than any other country in the developed world - including Russia.

In the latest update of its economic forecasts, the IMF said that it expected the UK's gross domestic product (GDP) to contract by 0.6% in 2023.

To add further humiliation for the chancellor and prime minister, even as Britain's outlook was downgraded, most other countries around the world saw their forecasts upgraded.
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-econom...casts-12799201

Weird, I wonder why that is? Answers on a postcard from any other country that hasn't deliberately shot itself in the foot....

Ms NTL 31-01-2023 09:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36144789)
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-econom...casts-12799201

Weird, I wonder why that is? Answers on a postcard from any other country that hasn't deliberately shot itself in the foot....
:D

denphone 31-01-2023 09:39
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Here's a clue..;)


https://www.theguardian.com/business...-uk-eu-economy

Sephiroth 31-01-2023 10:05
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That decline can only be down to. Government mismanagement. Truss tipped us over, although it wasn’t going well with Boris either because of his pre-occupation with his survival.


ianch99 31-01-2023 10:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36144797)

That decline can only be down to. Government mismanagement. Truss tipped us over, although it wasn’t going well with Boris either because of his pre-occupation with his survival.

You didn't read Den's article did you?

Damien 31-01-2023 10:18
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They're going to have to find a way to ease trade with the EU soon. There are no big prospective trade deals coming down the line and it's been 3 years since we were officially out.

Dave42 31-01-2023 10:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36144797)

That decline can only be down to. Government mismanagement. Truss tipped us over, although it wasn’t going well with Boris either because of his pre-occupation with his survival.

still in denial i see

denphone 31-01-2023 10:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36144800)
They're going to have to find a way to ease trade with the EU soon. There are no big prospective trade deals coming down the line and it's been 3 years since we were officially out.
A Bloomberg article reckons Brexit Is Costing the UK £100 Billion a Year in Lost Output.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...nt=bloomberguk

1andrew1 31-01-2023 11:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36144800)
They're going to have to find a way to ease trade with the EU soon. There are no big prospective trade deals coming down the line and it's been 3 years since we were officially out.
The current government is too under the thumb of the ERG so I can't see Sunak stepping up.

Damien 31-01-2023 11:21
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Electoral wipeout can be a powerful motivator and at the moment closer trade ties with the EU seems like a fast way to achieve some growth. You just make sure you don't touch EU legislation - other than adopting similar standards which we already do anyway - and free movement.

The ERG can whine all they like but they'll have to ask themselves what's their alternative since their promised trade deals never materialised and their 'cut taxes to achieve growth' mantra backfired under Truss that the argument won't wash anytime soon.

1andrew1 31-01-2023 11:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36144797)

That decline can only be down to. Government mismanagement. Truss tipped us over, although it wasn’t going well with Boris either because of his pre-occupation with his survival.

The mismanagement was Johnson's desire for a quick deal at any cost and the subsequent stifling of common sense alignments under pressure from the ERG.

---------- Post added at 11:23 ---------- Previous post was at 11:21 ----------

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36144807)
Electoral wipeout can be a powerful motivator and at the moment closer trade ties with the EU seems like a fast way to achieve some growth.
Sunak knows that but convincing the Party to back him is a different matter.

---------- Post added at 11:30 ---------- Previous post was at 11:23 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36144807)
The ERG can whine all they like but they'll have to ask themselves what's their alternative since their promised trade deals never materialised and their 'cut taxes to achieve growth' mantra backfired under Truss that the argument won't wash anytime soon.
Their alternative is more deregulation.

The danger they face is that if they don't accept closer alignment to the EU, the country will get poorer and support for re-joining the EU will grow.

I still think they'll stick to their guns.

BenMcr 31-01-2023 16:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36144807)
and their 'cut taxes to achieve growth' mantra backfired under Truss that the argument won't wash anytime soon.
Want a bet

https://mailonline.pressreader.com/a...81496460424465

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WHY WE HAVE TO CUT TAXES AND GO FOR GROWTH
UK faces worst slowdown among top nations
Daily Mail 31 Jan 2023 By John-Paul Ford Rojas Senior Business Reporter
A GRIM economic forecast will today put ministers under more pressure to cut taxes.

1andrew1 31-01-2023 16:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36144836)
That's basically Long Johnson rearing its ugly head.

Some in the Conservative Party have another view
Quote:
“The only way that the Brexit put forward by Boris Johnson was going to work was if there was a complete deregulation of the UK and we moved to a sort of Liz Truss utopia of a Singapore state and that was just never going to happen,” Hands, a former donor to the Conservative party, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

“The British population was never going to accept a state in which the NHS would be demolished, where free education would be severely limited, where regulation with regard to employment would be thrown apart. It was just complete and total absolute lies.”
https://www.theguardian.com/business...-uk-eu-economy

Sephiroth 31-01-2023 23:40
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I got this nonsense from Sunak today.

Quote:
Three years ago today - we got Brexit done.

In the three years since leaving the EU, we’ve made huge strides in harnessing the freedoms unlocked by Brexit to tackle generational challenges.

We've forged a path as an independent nation with confidence by:

1. Taking back control of our borders — ending freedom of movement and replacing it with a points-based immigration system.

2. Introducing a Retained EU Law Bill — ending the special status of EU law, and ensuring that all remaining retained EU Law is either repealed or assimilated into UK domestic law by the end of this year.

3. Striking new trade deals — with over 70 countries around the world.

4. Making tax laws fairer — removing VAT on essential items like tampons and simplifying EU alcohol duty rates.

In my first 100 days as Prime Minister, we've carried on making the most of Brexit opportunities by cutting red tape for businesses, levelling up through our freeports, and designing our own, fairer farming system to protect the British countryside.
He'll be filling a car that he doesn't own up with petrol next and then wondering how to pay for it.

1andrew1 01-02-2023 00:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36144868)

I got this nonsense from Sunak today.

He'll be filling a car that he doesn't own up with petrol next and then wondering how to pay for it.
I don't think the "Taking back control of our borders" will land well with Party members given the increased immigration via small vessels and the post-Brexit related inability to repatriate them to the EU country they came from.
(But the government did end freedom of movement from/to the EU and did introduce a points-based immigration system.)

Damien 03-02-2023 13:06
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Guess whose back: https://news.sky.com/story/low-tax-t...group-12801586

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A WhatsApp group once used to support Liz Truss' leadership campaign has begun to see several MPs joining once again, sources have told Sky News.

The former prime minister is said to be on manoeuvres with fellow like-minded MPs ahead of the Budget to lobby the government for tax cuts.
Amazing! How on earth she thinks anyone in the country wants to hear from her on how to manage the economy. Sunak must be losing his mind.

Mr K 03-02-2023 20:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36145120)
Guess whose back: https://news.sky.com/story/low-tax-t...group-12801586



Amazing! How on earth she thinks anyone in the country wants to hear from her on how to manage the economy. Sunak must be losing his mind.
People want decent public services, a decent health service, and inflation/energy/grocery prices not to be crippling them. Tax cut calls are mostly coming from the super rich .
Still the wrong priority Dizzy Lizzy and her swivel eyed loons...

Hugh 04-02-2023 21:45
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36145120)
Guess whose back: https://news.sky.com/story/low-tax-t...group-12801586



Amazing! How on earth she thinks anyone in the country wants to hear from her on how to manage the economy. Sunak must be losing his mind.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1675546697

Ah, the well-known woke liberal left-wing money markets and Hedge Funds… :dozey:

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www....3-de531e266d68

(Don’t click on the "accept cookies" button in the article)

denphone 05-02-2023 07:10
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The only person that brought Liz Truss down was her herself.

Would it not be nice if politicians nowadays owned the conseqences of their decisions rather then taking the cowardly immoral way out and blaming others.

1andrew1 05-02-2023 08:43
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This is embarrassing. She has been poorly advised and needs to keep a low profile to stop reminding us of the day she damaged the economy.

Mr K 08-02-2023 21:59
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The Conservatives would be relegated to Westminster’s third party behind the Scottish National Party in a snap election, new polling for the Telegraph has found.

The exclusive, large-scale MRP poll of 28,000 people found that if there were an imminent general election the Tories would be left with fewer seats than the SNP. Stephen Flynn, the SNP’s Westminster leader, would be the Leader of the Opposition.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...s-third-party/

All going well in Toryland then ! :D
Wonder if the SNP might field candidates in England ? I think they'd do well.
Yorkshire independence next, we want to 'take back control' :)

ianch99 09-02-2023 09:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36145484)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...s-third-party/

All going well in Toryland then ! :D
Wonder if the SNP might field candidates in England ? I think they'd do well.
Yorkshire independence next, we want to 'take back control' :)
I know its a poll but this is very, very funny :)

In summary:

Quote:
🌹 LAB: 49% (+16)
🌳 CON: 23% (-22)

MRP Seat Projection:

🌹 LAB: 509 (+306)
🎗️ SNP: 50 (+2)
🌳 CON: 45 (-320)

Changes w/ GE2019

Sephiroth 09-02-2023 14:41
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I know there’s an amount of accumulation, but really it was Truss and her 30 billion thst really did it.

TheDaddy 09-02-2023 14:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145517)

I know there’s an amount of accumulation, but really it was Truss and her 30 billion thst really did it.
74 billion...

denphone 09-02-2023 14:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145517)

I know there’s an amount of accumulation, but really it was Truss and her 30 billion thst really did it.
A lot of truth in that as l suspect unless some polling miracle happens the Conservatives will be looking at a one or two term spell in opposition.

1andrew1 09-02-2023 15:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145517)

I know there’s an amount of accumulation, but really it was Truss and her 30 billion thst really did it.
Truss gave the already-successful Labour Party a booster injection!

Alas for the Conservative Party, we're still suffering from Long BoJo with matters like the alleged conduct of Dominic Raab and Nadhim Zahawi's removal reminding the electorate of why Johnson had to resign.

The lack of investment in areas such as defence, hospitals and schools whilst the country under-performs its peers economically won't be going unnoticed either.

Pierre 09-02-2023 15:36
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36145525)
the already-successful Labour Party a booster injection!
.
What have they been successful in? Strange turn of phrase.

I wouldn't equate a current lead in the polls as "already successful"

They may well be successful in just under two years, by what margin we'll have to wait and find out.

ianch99 09-02-2023 15:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145517)

I know there’s an amount of accumulation, but really it was Truss and her 30 billion thst really did it.
That's total rubbish. This is a 13 year journey - you just need to accept that your Party is not fit for office. Let's see how Labour handles the wreck of a country they will inherit.

BTW, the projected seat numbers show how fundamentally broken the FPTP electoral system is. Time to bring it to an end.

Itshim 09-02-2023 17:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36145525)
Truss gave the already-successful Labour Party a booster injection!

Alas for the Conservative Party, we're still suffering from Long BoJo with matters like the alleged conduct of Dominic Raab and Nadhim Zahawi's removal reminding the electorate of why Johnson had to resign.

The lack of investment in areas such as defence, hospitals and schools whilst the country under-performs its peers economically won't be going unnoticed either.
Just wondering how many centuries it will take to clear the debt that would then be incurred ?

1andrew1 09-02-2023 17:45
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36145527)
What have they been successful in? Strange turn of phrase.

I wouldn't equate a current lead in the polls as "already successful"

They may well be successful in just under two years, by what margin we'll have to wait and find out.
We've been discussing polling that's the context in which I'm discussing success.

I would have anticipated an uptick under Sunak but Long Johnson as outlined earlier seems to have scuppered that for now.

Sephiroth 09-02-2023 18:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36145529)
That's total rubbish. This is a 13 year journey - you just need to accept that your Party is not fit for office. Let's see how Labour handles the wreck of a country they will inherit.

BTW, the projected seat numbers show how fundamentally broken the FPTP electoral system is. Time to bring it to an end.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I know there’s an amount of accumulation, but really it was Truss and her 30 billion that really did it.


Why are you being so aggressive?

Mr K 09-02-2023 20:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145546)






Why are you being so aggressive?
Maybe he's just annoyed with the muppets that have voted for this mob for 13 years. Look where it's got us.

ianch99 09-02-2023 22:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145546)



Why are you being so aggressive?
I am not being aggressive, just being honest. If you cannot see how much damage this party has done to this country over the years then I cannot help you.

Sephiroth 09-02-2023 22:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36145573)
I am not being aggressive, just being honest. If you cannot see how much damage this party has done to this country over the years then I cannot help you.
There you go again. I have been and am being very critical of the government today and the net minus position we're in after 13 years.

Please read my posts properly before you sound off.

daveeb 09-02-2023 22:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145574)
There you go again. I have been and am being very critical of the government today and the net minus position we're in after 13 years.

Please read my posts properly before you sound off.
True you have been critical of the govt but you then went on to suggest that the main issue was Truss wrecking the economy. Truss was just more of the same incompetence and self serving, the last 13 years have been a complete disaster and they deserve to be gone for a very long time.

Hugh 09-02-2023 22:21
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Go, Nads!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-64590795

Quote:
Nadine Dorries to stand down as MP at next election

Former culture secretary Nadine Dorries has said she will not be standing as an MP at the next general election.

Conservative Ms Dorries used her TalkTV show to announce her departure and hit out at "MPs who drank the Kool-Aid and got rid of Boris Johnson".

She has been a critic of Rishi Sunak's government since he entered Number 10.

Parliament's anti-corruption watchdog said the Mid Bedfordshire MP broke the ministerial code by not consulting it before she took the TV job.
Another rat leaving the sinking ship…

Sephiroth 09-02-2023 23:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36145577)
True you have been critical of the govt but you then went on to suggest that the main issue was Truss wrecking the economy. Truss was just more of the same incompetence and self serving, the last 13 years have been a complete disaster and they deserve to be gone for a very long time.
Truss trashed the economy which had hitherto been bimbling along like other European economies Her few weeks in office broke any semblance of regard for the government and its history Her incompetence outranked everything else - even Boris who was bad.

Standing back, in the 13 years, we couldn't even properly deliver HS2, which they are now cutting back on to the point of near uselessness. They've totally misread the global threat from Russia/China and have allowed our armed forces and equipment to run down (Labour weren't any different). They've done little or nothing to increase the number of training places for doctors. They, and all previous governments, have neglected to put a proper energy policy in place.

We are so badly governed - the UK is a true shit-house now. And the answer certainly isn't a Labour government who will be no better because they have no idea either how to deliver.

All of the above I've said in various posts.

denphone 10-02-2023 06:43
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Labour retains West Lancashire.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-64570223

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Labour achieved a 10.5% swing from the Tories to maintain its majority of more than 8,000 as fewer than one in three eligible voters turned out in the bitterly cold conditions.

Damien 10-02-2023 07:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36145579)
Go, Nads!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-64590795



Another rat leaving the sinking ship…
Safe seat though and she is an ally of Johnson....:erm:

ianch99 10-02-2023 09:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145574)
There you go again. I have been and am being very critical of the government today and the net minus position we're in after 13 years.

Please read my posts properly before you sound off.
Don't worry I read your posts esp. the one where you said you voted for Liz Truss for PM :)

Just to be clear then: you do not plan to vote Conservative at the next GE then, given your manifold criticisms of your Party?

Sephiroth 10-02-2023 11:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36145599)
Don't worry I read your posts esp. the one where you said you voted for Liz Truss for PM :)

Just to be clear then: you do not plan to vote Conservative at the next GE then, given your manifold criticisms of your Party?
John Redwood is my MP. I will be voting for him.

As to my (regrettable) vote for Truss, it was between her and Sunak and she had an economic vision. How was I to know she couldn't execute properly? I suppose the clue might have been in her lack of presentational skills.

Anyway, I regard the front bench now as mainly nodding dogs and it galls me that there is little that can replace them.

As for your sort, voting Labour is no solution either. They'll squeeze the middle class even more, won't know any better how to secure a proper energy policy. However. the fickle public won't care as long as they can get the current lot out because life goes on to an extent despite government.

Damien 10-02-2023 15:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145612)
As to my (regrettable) vote for Truss, it was between her and Sunak and she had an economic vision. How was I to know she couldn't execute properly? I suppose the clue might have been in her lack of presentational skills.
What you saw was her economic vision, it was just idiotic. She was warned by Sunak on television about what would happen. We discussed what would happen here. https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=3898

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She'll be fine in the Tory Leadership race. Saying you'll get massive tax cuts without any spending cuts is what they want to hear. It'll fall apart though when it comes to implementation and policy and since she'll be PM she actually has to act on it soon.
It was stupid. She said stupid things to get elected, dismissed the warnings and scaremongering then crashed the economy by doing the exact thing people said would not be possible.

Sephiroth 10-02-2023 16:48
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Properly planned and executed, lower taxes and proper investment is the way forward.

ianch99 10-02-2023 16:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145612)
John Redwood is my MP. I will be voting for him.

As to my (regrettable) vote for Truss, it was between her and Sunak and she had an economic vision. How was I to know she couldn't execute properly? I suppose the clue might have been in her lack of presentational skills.

Anyway, I regard the front bench now as mainly nodding dogs and it galls me that there is little that can replace them.

As for your sort, voting Labour is no solution either. They'll squeeze the middle class even more, won't know any better how to secure a proper energy policy. However. the fickle public won't care as long as they can get the current lot out because life goes on to an extent despite government.
You get all sensitive when challenged:

Quote:
Why are you being so aggressive?
and then you say:

Quote:
As for your sort
:D Not sure what "my sort" is but if you are going to vote again for one the ERG arch-Brexitists, after all the damage they have caused then this does say it all.

Sephiroth 10-02-2023 17:06
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I vote for John Redwood as a person well suited to representing my interests in Parliament.

1andrew1 10-02-2023 17:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145638)
Properly planned and executed, lower taxes and proper investment is the way forward.
As ridiculous as it might seem, our taxes (with NI) in the UK are probably too low to maintain the appropriate level of spending on the NHS, defence, education and other key services. We cannot be a Singapore and through NATO we are committed to being a key player in Europe's defence.

Quote:
The United Kingdom ranked 23rd¹ out of 38 OECD countries in terms of the tax-to-GDP ratio in 2021.

In 2021, the United Kingdom had a tax-to-GDP ratio of 33.5% compared with the OECD average of 34.1%. In 2020, the United Kingdom was ranked 25th out of the 38 OECD countries in terms of the tax-to-GDP ratio.
https://www.oecd.org/tax/revenue-sta...ed-kingdom.pdf

ianch99 10-02-2023 18:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145642)
I vote for John Redwood as a person well suited to representing my interests in Parliament.
I get it. The said, Mr Redwood, is certainly representing his interests, unfortunately, outside of Parliament:

Westminster Accounts: MPs earn £17.1m on top of their salaries since the last election - with Tories taking £15.2m

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Fellow Conservative Sir John Redwood came in fifth, earning £692,438 with the majority coming from his "global strategist" role at investment firm Charles Stanley.
I know where his priorities lie.

For the "whataboutists", the 2 Labour MP's on this top 20 list (albeit near the bottom), although earning a fraction of Redwood's money, should also not be working part time.

Mr K 10-02-2023 18:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145642)
I vote for John Redwood as a person well suited to representing my interests in Parliament.
You and OB might be in a minority there. Be a nice change to have a Labour MP ;)
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...seat=Wokingham

GrimUpNorth 10-02-2023 21:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36145658)
You and OB might be in a minority there. Be a nice change to have a Labour MP ;)
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...seat=Wokingham
I wonder which are the 40 odd seats they'd have left if we had an election in the near future.

Sephiroth 10-02-2023 21:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36145658)
You and OB might be in a minority there. Be a nice change to have a Labour MP ;)
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...seat=Wokingham
Utter, total crap. That link contains total tripe.

I know this constituency and it's the Lib-Dems who would give JR a run for his money, not Labour. No way Labour.

Mr K 10-02-2023 21:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145675)
Utter, total crap. That link contains total tripe.

I know this constituency and it's the Lib-Dems who would give JR a run for his money, not Labour. No way Labour.
So what do you think JR will do outside parliament? Open a fruit and veg stall whilst doing his excellent rendition of the Welsh national anthem? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WFP5MjUuzsg

1andrew1 12-02-2023 10:51
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Interesting if true
Quote:
Fury among the Tories after Conservative MPs claim they were offered a '£400,000 bribe'

The Tory Party is considering a complaint to Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle after MPs said they had been approached with a £400,000-plus ‘bribe’ to join Nigel Farage’s Reform UK party.

Sources said a number of Conservative MPs ‘have reported to senior party staff that they have been offered significant financial incentives to defect’.

They say the offers were based on an agreement that if they joined Reform UK – founded with support from Mr Farage in 2018 as the Brexit Party – they would be guaranteed to receive several years of their MP’s salary if they lost their seat after defecting.

From this April, MPs’ pay will rise to £86,584, or well over £400,000 for a full Parliament. Reform UK, of which Mr Farage is Honorary President, dismissed the incentives claim last night and accused the Tories of peddling ‘desperate nonsense’.

But senior Tory figures – who fear Reform will split the Right-wing vote in pivotal Red Wall seats of the North and Midlands – are taking legal advice over whether the Bribery Act might have been breached by an offer of money.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other...ef1a114d55b6a8

Sephiroth 12-02-2023 11:09
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Interesting find by Andrew.

Whereas in 2019 the Brexit Party gave way in the Red Wall for the Conservatives, I doubt that the Conservatives will be similarly smart in 2024.

For the record, I remain Conservative and once the clear out has completed, I hope that the party will shift into something less Eton/Oxbridge and fewer nodding heads types, ready for power in 2029 or whenever.

That said, Farage is a great man. Sunak needs to learn from him and get the things done that Farage is on about.

Paul 12-02-2023 13:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36145769)
That said, Farage is a great man.
Seriously, are you on something ? :erm:

Itshim 12-02-2023 13:49
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36145658)
You and OB might be in a minority there. Be a nice change to have a Labour MP ;)
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...seat=Wokingham
Iiving undér labour , all I can say is be careful what you wish for, have a labour MP labour am and labour council . Overwhelmingly local people appear to say no to two schemes, as far as I can tell all the elected labour reps back it . Before you ask, I really don't care either way . It's pet schemes of drakeford so it gets done .

Maggy 12-02-2023 15:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36145782)
Seriously, are you on something ? :erm:
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Damien 15-02-2023 14:43
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Not a big surprise but Starmer has confirmed Corbyn will not be readmitted to run as a Labour MP at the next election: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64640069

This itself was expected ever since he was kicked out but the more interesting part is Starmer is challenging Corbyn's remaining allies to quit if they don't like it. Momentum has drastically reduced since the Corbyn years but this would allow Starmer to kick them out alongside any remaining PLP members should they campaign for Corbyn.

Hugh 07-03-2023 20:54
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The rats are leaving the sinking ship…

Graham Brady: Tory Chair of 1922 committee to stand down as MP

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64880471

Graham Brady has been the MP for Altrincham & Sale West for over 26 years with a 6k+ majority, and is only 55 - unusual for someone in that position/age to stand down…

Sephiroth 07-03-2023 21:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36147634)
The rats are leaving the sinking ship…

Graham Brady: Tory Chair of 1922 committee to stand down as MP

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64880471

Graham Brady has been the MP for Altrincham & Sale West for over 26 years with a 6k+ majority, and is only 55 - unusual for someone in that position/age to stand down…
You have no basis for calling Brady a rat.

Hugh 07-03-2023 22:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147635)
You have no basis for calling Brady a rat.
Neither is the Conservative Party an actual ship…

Quote:
metaphor: a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable

Chris 07-03-2023 23:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36147636)
Neither is the Conservative Party an actual ship…
I’m pretty sure Seph wasn’t objecting to a literal use of ‘rat’. More likely the insinuation that Brady is unprincipled, jumping before he’s pushed, only interested in saving his own skin, etc etc etc. Any or all of which might be true or might not.

I suspect Seph has actually challenged you to back up that assertion in some way. What you’ve actually done is accuse him of wilfully misunderstanding you, and then responded by wilfully misunderstanding him. Which seems a bit pointless really.

TheDaddy 08-03-2023 02:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36147634)
The rats are leaving the sinking ship…

Graham Brady: Tory Chair of 1922 committee to stand down as MP

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64880471

Graham Brady has been the MP for Altrincham & Sale West for over 26 years with a 6k+ majority, and is only 55 - unusual for someone in that position/age to stand down…
Ah yes, the tory MP for Sale :erm: bit like most of the others really tbf, did anyone ever find out what he did for £800 per hour or what the company he did it for actually does

denphone 08-03-2023 06:23
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Perhaps he is stepping down before he is voted out by his local electorate.:)


https://pollingreport.uk/seats/E14000532

Sephiroth 08-03-2023 07:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36147638)
I’m pretty sure Seph wasn’t objecting to a literal use of ‘rat’. More likely the insinuation that Brady is unprincipled, jumping before he’s pushed, only interested in saving his own skin, etc etc etc. Any or all of which might be true or might not.

I suspect Seph has actually challenged you to back up that assertion in some way. What you’ve actually done is accuse him of wilfully misunderstanding you, and then responded by wilfully misunderstanding him. Which seems a bit pointless really.
What Chris has said.

Mr K 08-03-2023 07:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36147640)
Perhaps he is stepping down before he is voted out by his local electorate.:)


https://pollingreport.uk/seats/E14000532
Nail hit on the head as usual Den. :)

It's all about filling your boots as much as you can now for all the rats deserting the rotten ship.

Sephiroth 08-03-2023 07:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36147640)
Perhaps he is stepping down before he is voted out by his local electorate.:)


https://pollingreport.uk/seats/E14000532

Doesn’t make him a rat, though.

Mr K 08-03-2023 07:26
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
MP for Wokingham next? ;)

denphone 08-03-2023 07:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147643)
Doesn’t make him a rat, though.
Not my words as you well know.

Sephiroth 08-03-2023 08:57
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36147644)
MP for Wokingham next? ;)
JR is the adopted candidate.

ianch99 08-03-2023 09:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36147638)
I’m pretty sure Seph wasn’t objecting to a literal use of ‘rat’. More likely the insinuation that Brady is unprincipled, jumping before he’s pushed, only interested in saving his own skin, etc etc etc. Any or all of which might be true or might not.

I suspect Seph has actually challenged you to back up that assertion in some way. What you’ve actually done is accuse him of wilfully misunderstanding you, and then responded by wilfully misunderstanding him. Which seems a bit pointless really.
You are also misinterpreting the phrase:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...a-sinking-ship

Quote:
used to refer to people leaving a place, organization, activity, etc. very quickly and in large numbers, because it is failing in some way
Brady is not a "rat" per se, rather he is leaving the failed Tory Party before he is possibly voted out at the next GE.

Hugh 08-03-2023 09:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36147634)
The rats are leaving the sinking ship…

Graham Brady: Tory Chair of 1922 committee to stand down as MP

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64880471

Graham Brady has been the MP for Altrincham & Sale West for over 26 years with a 6k+ majority, and is only 55 - unusual for someone in that position/age to stand down…
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36147640)
Perhaps he is stepping down before he is voted out by his local electorate.:)


https://pollingreport.uk/seats/E14000532
That was the point I was hoping that people would get…

(as he is amongst the 22 Conservative MPs (so far) who have said they are not standing again in the next General Election…)

1andrew1 08-03-2023 10:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36147657)
That was the point I was hoping that people would get…

(as he is amongst the 22 Conservative MPs (so far) who have said they are not standing again in the next General Election…)
To his credit, he's not joined the growing list of MPs holding down a job at a TV news broadcaster whilst being a sitting MP.

denphone 08-03-2023 10:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36147661)
To his credit, he's not joined the growing list of MPs holding down a job at a TV news broadcaster whilst being a sitting MP.
You wonder where Ofcom are in all this as sitting MPs of all political persuasions should not be using TV or Radio channels as a platform for their own politics.

Hugh 08-03-2023 10:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36147661)
To his credit, he's not joined the growing list of MPs holding down a job at a TV news broadcaster whilst being a sitting MP.
I’m sure they’ve all cleared it with ACoBA…

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...arding-talk-tv

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/pr...et-office-told

ianch99 08-03-2023 11:06
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To be honest, I am surprised at Sunak. I had thought he was one of the more principled members of the current Government. He has, however, decided to front Braverman's doomed "Make Seeking Asylum In The UK Illegal" project. She seems to have convinced him that the only way the Tories can win the next GE is to embrace a full-on Goebbels-style "hate the foreigner" campaign.

This will blow up in their faces as they do not yet realise that there are more decent people in this country than those they are pandering to. Sunak has sold his soul to the Farage/UKIP/National Front cabal and will regret it.

Paul 08-03-2023 13:13
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Maybe the "decent" people are getting tired of illegal arrivals as well ?

Damien 08-03-2023 13:37
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I think everyone is, especially on small boats, but the measures do seem draconian for show rather than a genuine plan to combat it. Cynically, I don't think they have a real idea of what to do so went with an over-the-top plan designed to caught up in legal challenges so they can pretend it's not their fault.

I mean you're excluded from modern slavery laws if you arrived by boat? No way in hell that happens.

Sephiroth 08-03-2023 13:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36147668)
To be honest, I am surprised at Sunak. I had thought he was one of the more principled members of the current Government. He has, however, decided to front Braverman's doomed "Make Seeking Asylum In The UK Illegal" project. She seems to have convinced him that the only way the Tories can win the next GE is to embrace a full-on Goebbels-style "hate the foreigner" campaign.

This will blow up in their faces as they do not yet realise that there are more decent people in this country than those they are pandering to. Sunak has sold his soul to the Farage/UKIP/National Front cabal and will regret it.
Er - Goebbels?

ianch99 08-03-2023 14:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36147673)
Maybe the "decent" people are getting tired of illegal arrivals as well ?
What are "illegal arrivals"? It is not illegal to arrive here via boat and claim asylum. Maybe these people are tired of being forced to travel on small boats since they are unable to claim asylum via any other means.

---------- Post added at 14:56 ---------- Previous post was at 14:47 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147677)
Er - Goebbels?
Maybe you prefer the British Union of Fascists?

Quote:
"Under Fascism, no alien shall enter this country to take the jobs of Britons, and aliens already here who have abused the hospitality of this nation will be sent back whence they came."
- British Union of Fascists, '10 Points of #Fascism', 1933
If you aware of European history, you will see the similarity between the language & style used by 1930's Germany to demonise the Jews and the current Home Secretary's attempt to achieve a similar feat against the asylum seekers arriving here by boat.

Pierre 08-03-2023 15:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36147673)
Maybe the "decent" people are getting tired of illegal arrivals as well ?
Well I'm sick of it. If that makes me Racist, Fascist, Xenophobic, whatever. So be it.

1andrew1 08-03-2023 16:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36147685)
Well I'm sick of it. If that makes me Racist, Fascist, Xenophobic, whatever. So be it.
Could that "whatever" be *gulp* a Rejoiner?

Are you sick enough of it yet to want to rejoin the EU so we can send them back to the EU country that they came from? Or is that a bridge - or tunnel - too far?

Paul 08-03-2023 17:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36147686)
Are you sick enough of it yet to want to rejoin the EU so we can send them back to the EU country that they came from? Or is that a bridge - or tunnel - too far?
Why are they coming from an EU country in the first place ?

---------- Post added at 17:45 ---------- Previous post was at 17:43 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36147682)
Maybe these people are tired of being forced to travel on small boats since they are unable to claim asylum via any other means.
"forced" ?
What prevents them claiming asylum in all the other countries they pass through to get to the channel ?

Hugh 08-03-2023 17:51
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The Red Cross put together something that explains why they try to get here.

https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/...ss-the-channel

ianch99 08-03-2023 17:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36147691)
Why are they coming from an EU country in the first place ?

---------- Post added at 17:45 ---------- Previous post was at 17:43 ----------

"forced" ?
What prevents them claiming asylum in all the other countries they pass through to get to the channel ?
Here's the answer to your question:

"Why don't the asylum seekers seek refuge in France or Germany"?

Paul 08-03-2023 18:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36147696)
Here's the answer to your question:
No its not, its some twitter post, that doesnt really say anything (other than attack some MP I've not heard of).

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99
Maybe these people are tired of being forced to travel on small boats since they are unable to claim asylum via any other means.
Seems to me its more a case of "unwilling" to claim - not "unable" to claim.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36147694)
The Red Cross put together something that explains why they try to get here.
Mostly not very compelling reasons.

We should just let in anyone who can speak a bit of English ? I dont think so.

The conditions in other countries are not as good, or the asylum system is more difficult ?
So basically we should just take in everyone because its more difficult to apply elsewhere (or they dont want to) ?

Joining Family ?
Potentially valid, although, how did that family get there ? the same way ?
Here's a thought - get your asylum first, then apply to join your family in the UK.
[ Risking your life on a small boat isnt exactly doing your family any favours, is it ]

The only one on there that is seems valid to me is the "smugglers dictate journeys", this does seem to involve some "forcing".
Its clearly much harder to control, but the French/whoever should be doing more to prevent them being "forced" onto boats, and/or patrolling their own coastline to catch them early. [ of course, they probably dont want to catch them, rather let them go so they become our problem, not theirs ]

Hugh 08-03-2023 19:28
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Quote:
Here's a thought - get your asylum first, then apply to join your family in the UK.
The French offered to let the U.K. set up an asylum processing in France - the U.K. Government declined.

Also

https://news.sky.com/story/whats-the...ide%20the%20UK.

Quote:
You cannot claim asylum from outside the UK.

Seeking asylum is not the same as applying for a visa, which is granted before someone travels to the UK.

Similarly the government's "safe and legal" immigration routes for refugees are different to the asylum seeker system.

Currently the "safe and legal immigration routes" are:

UK Resettlement Scheme - for refugees in camps whose neighbouring countries are at war or there is instability

Community Sponsorship - whereby already resettled refugees are matched with local organisations

Mandate Resettlement Scheme - for refugees who already have a close family member in the UK

Refugee family reunion visas - for immediate relatives of refugees already in the UK

For the year ending September 2022 most refugees who were successfully resettled in the UK were from Syria (56%), Sudan (15%), and Iraq (11%)…

…"Apart from a limited number of Afghans, Ukrainians and people from Hong Kong, there is no legal route for asylum seekers.

"There is no visa application to seek asylum but the government requires that any asylum claim has to be made from inside the UK.

Paul 08-03-2023 20:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36147702)
The French offered to let the U.K. set up an asylum processing in France - the U.K. Government declined.
I meant asylum in the country they are in, not the UK.

TheDaddy 08-03-2023 20:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36147707)
I meant asylum in the country they are in, not the UK.
Is there a law that says they have to claim asylum in the country they're in

Sephiroth 08-03-2023 21:11
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36147711)
Is there a law that says they have to claim asylum in the country they're in
Let's cut to the chase. Do you want undocumented migrants who have deliberately destroyed their ID documents, who might be Albanians who bring their crime with them, who might be ISIS/Alqaeda, etc?

However, I am in favour of a deal with France that stops the boats but enrols UK in a European wide asylum share programme. The problem with the programme will be the calculations of fair shares and what degree of say we have in rules formulation.

Finally, we have to be vigilant. 750 millions (or whatever) from Africa could be eyeing up Europe and the UK especially. What then?

Mr K 08-03-2023 21:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36147714)
Let's cut to the chase. Do you want undocumented migrants who have deliberately destroyed their ID documents, who might be Albanians who bring their crime with them, who might be ISIS/Alqaeda, etc?

However, I am in favour of a deal with France that stops the boats but enrols UK in a European wide asylum share programme. The problem with the programme will be the calculations of fair shares and what degree of say we have in rules formulation.

Finally, we have to be vigilant. 750 millions (or whatever) from Africa could be eyeing up Europe and the UK especially. What then?
We help deal with the issues that are forcing them to migrate/claim asylum instead of being increasingly insular?
The main reason we have a decent overseas aid budget was for stability in other countries, which is in our interest. Climate change will also be a massive driver to immigration, but we don't really deal with that either. Always short termism, looking no further than the next election.


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