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No one is entitled to decide Twitter's moderation policy, it was never nearly a big deal as people were making out. |
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Also, it’s not a cultist war, they linked to information that contained private details, Elon accuses them of linking to his private address, doesn’t matter how available they are, outside of Twitter, linking to or providing such personal information, isn’t allowed, it’s a reasonable request and those journalists breached that rule, testing and trolling Elon, by spuriously posting links, that was bound to get them in to trouble, to where they are now, I’m sure they will be unbanned at some point. ---------- Post added at 17:25 ---------- Previous post was at 17:18 ---------- Quote:
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Banning accounts for posting publicly available facts is just dumb.
Then again, it seems hes a bit of a nut job, who is losing the plot more each day. I guess the fact he made a huge blunder buying it, and was forced to use a big chunk of his (shrinking) fortune in the process, is getting to him. |
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There is a difference between "not liking it" and outright banning an account. He can just delete the post and/or warn them to stop (if they ignore this and carry on, thats another matter). |
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[ Esp if, as Mick noted above, they were warned first ]. |
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Musk reinstates the journalists in a manner as concerning as the way they were suspended.
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Elon set a poll, people voted 59% to 41% to unsuspend the journalists, seems a reasonable way, democracy in action. I think nearly 4 Million had voted on it in 24 hours. People call Elon for his strangeness, but one of the Journalists suspended, was evading his temp ban through his dogs Twitter account, yeah he had set one up for his bloody dog.A U.S Sports commentator, Keith Olbermann. :rolleyes: |
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Musk keeps using the phrase "Vox Populi Vox Dei" to show he’s listening to "the people".
Amusingly, the context of the phrase in its original setting means exactly the opposite - it was originated by a learned scholar (Alcuin) in Charlemagne’s court, and he advised the King Quote:
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First recorded time, and in that context…
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Sheesh, move on people.
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Interesting to see that Twitter is now trying to raise more money.
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It's also interesting to note Musk's share sales in Tesla. In April, he said he would not sell more stock in the company. This week, he sold $3.6bn in Tesla. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63981767 I think Musk is learning what Truss and Kwarteng learnt the hard way: that business (in his case, advertisers) doesn't like uncertainty and Twitter under Musk is delivering uncertainty by the car load! |
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I wonder if he is slowly trying to get out of Telsa, he has sold a lot of shares in it over the last year and the price has dropped a lot. A lot of that is just a market correction as Telsa was absurdly overvalued compared to other car companies but with those companies taking a stronger interest in electric models as well as the problems Telsa have had it might be something he wants to get rid of.
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Always great to see the captains of British industry and Investment weighing in with their assessment!
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Last night, he’s set up another Twitter poll, asking if he should leave as head of Twitter, last time I looked it was about 56.7% yes, 43.3 No, nearly 16,000,000 had voted on it. Important to note, he’d still own it, just would not be in charge of running it day to day, behind the scenes, would still have a big say on how it’s run. Tesla share holders want him back focusing on Tesla, Twitter has been big distraction for him. |
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I’m sure that poll had nothing to do with him meeting his Saudi Arabian financial backers (second largest investors in Twitter) in Qatar last night…
Imagine being so overtly authoritarian that even the Saudis tell you to stand down. ;) On a totally unrelated note, the tweets by @TwitterSupport yesterday announcing a new policy banning linking to competing websites, have been deleted. The policy itself has also been deleted from Twitter’s website. |
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Twitter has turned into a joke, a very expensive joke if you have money invested in it.
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You have never been a fan of it anyway, even before he took over it.
Anyway, as I said earlier, he can step down, following his own poll result, but he still owns it, he’s not spent $44 Billion to hand control of it to someone else, he’ll still call the shots behind the scenes. |
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It also said that Musk had promised to increase free speech on Twitter, but then went on to ban someone who was posting the (publicly available) movements of Musks personal plane. |
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The ban on external social media sites would have had the EU and other regulators on them so quick. No surprise that was reversed.
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The biggest companies in the world do worry about the regulations of the areas they trade-in. I am not sure if that's why Musk reversed it but just saying banning links to your competitions is sure to invite multiple anti-trust investigations. |
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Look, him heading Twitter was always going to be a temporary thing for him, he said that himself, he’s got six other companies to run, I think he knew how this poll was going to go and it’s way of using it to leave CEO position and say it’s the peoples choice, Tesla people want him back focusing on them. Running a social media giant isn’t his forte. |
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You’d think a journalist would check this before building an entire narrative around it… And to put the amount of money into context (around $3.5 million over 3 years, so just over a million dollars a year), Twitter’s turnover in 2020 was $3.72 billion, so the million dollars was around 0.0003% of turnover… https://media.giphy.com/media/sEULHciNa7tUQ/giphy.gif |
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Apparently this went further than simply gathering data. The FBI/Democrats made requests to twitter to affect users accounts. That is, I believe, against the constitution.
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Something that is nagging away at me though is during the period this was going on the man in charge of the fbi was appointed by trump and donny controlled the executive branch of federal government :shrug: |
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They all publish info about this yearly: https://transparency.twitter.com/en/...l#2021-jul-dec |
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The FBI or CIA or any other U.S government agency, requesting the removal of a lawful communication by a U.S citizen, would be in potential breach of 1st Amendment rights under the Constitution. So any Judge signing a court order to remove anything on Twitter at the request of the FBI/CIA, would be acting unconstitutionally and could be sued. Twitter can remove anything if wants as it’s not a governmental entity, but Twitter removing stuff, in concert with a government agency, this is violation of 1st Amendment rights, so long as the communication is lawful. ---------- Post added at 15:42 ---------- Previous post was at 15:34 ---------- Quote:
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The article is very smoke and mirrors and not setting out the specific allegation. They’re saying the FBI paid Twitter and the program they reference is a standard compensation scheme for the time taking to respond to legal requests. |
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You’re missing the point. No government agency can request removal of protected speech, regardless of any recompense, it’s still unconstitutional, 1st Amendment is explicit, no government can hinder lawful speech, nor can it create any law that does same. There is no way around it.
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Damien’s observations is that it is unclear whether the FBI has actually done this. If the FBI has requested information from Twitter, then it would pay for Twitter’s time in collating that information. In other words there are perfectly reasonable and legal ways that payments from the FBI can turn up on Twitter’s books. The news report we’re all discussing here is a little vague on the precise details of what the FBI has actually been paying for, and as per usual for American politics 2020s style, everyone dives into their usual bunker and assumes things are as they always do. |
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I wonder now that he stepped down,can the people who were expired come back?? |
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I dont think he has actually stepped down yet either, just "promised" he will.
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Be funny if the new ceo came in and fired the head of the software and server teams...
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Hehe yes that would be something!!
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https://g.co/kgs/wmfp4Q https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1671756243 Three months ago it was $308… |
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Thanx for the update hugh :)
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Tesla shares went down another 10% yesterday, it's almost halved in the last month alone. 72% overall since the start of the year. Some of that loss happened as all tech stocks self-corrected after COVID but the 50% is far outside what's happened elsewhere in the stock market over the last month.
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But is that down to something he has done, or some other reason ?
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The drop in the last month though - 35% instead of the average of 8% for other companies - is being put down to concerns over Musk's dedication to Telsa and his erratic behaviour. He also sold a lot of stock himself over the last month which spooks existing shareholders obviously. I think personally the order of importance is:
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Not sure if anyone is following this but there is vile individual called Andrew Tate that Musk unbanned. He attempted to wind up Greta Thunberg by telling him how many gas guzzling cars he owns. She then replied basically saying he was a dick. His retort consisted of a rambling video, part of which consisted of showing Greta his non-recycled pizza boxes.
So far, who cares but here the funny part: the Romanian police who had been waiting him to return to their country, noted the pizza box origin and prompted raided his house and arrested him (and his brother) on sex trafficking charges. Brilliant! Greta had the last word :) https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/12/4.jpg |
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So elmo helped protect people on twitter from predators by reinstating Tate's account and he's just been arrested for, oh yes, sex trafficking, wonder how long it'll be before someone gives elmo credit for assisting with the arrest... |
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I wonder if he initially trolled the wrong GRETA?
https://www.coe.int/en/web/anti-human-trafficking/greta |
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I am not sure if I believe the pizza box story personally, seems too good to be true really.
I find Tate very odd and don't understand to who he appeals to. The kind of hyper-performative masculinity seems like a parody to me, a sitcom character, of someone very insecure and masking it by being completely over the top. Smoking cigars, showing off wealth all the time, and posting complete nonsense on Twitter. |
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The above combined with companies going on hiring sprees during the early days of the pandemic is now leading to the ongoing redundancies |
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Looks like Twitter killed access for third-party apps. I used a nice third-party client that made the timeline clean and easy, not working this morning.
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Hope so. I hate the official Twitter apps as I just want a simple, chronological, timeline of the people I follow.
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Another nail in its coffin ?
For fun I tried to log in to my account again today, still cannot. I never even get the login page to load, just hangs on a blank screen as usual. Pathetic. :rolleyes: [ Of course, I'm devestated ..... not ] :) |
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Think I might be on the brink of giving up with it, nothing works properly anymore including the verification system, shame as I've got a huge following but I don't know if I can be arsed wasting my time with it's nonsense for much longer
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Taliban buying blue ticks ;
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Still really annoyed they killed third-party apps, their app is horrible and keeps trying to push other people's posts on me.
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Just dump it. :)
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My ‘for you’ section is now full of Elon Musk tweets :rolleyes:
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Driverless cars, nah, no thanks.
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They're the ones who regularly try to T-Bone you. |
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Tonight's Panorama is about the rise in trolling/harrassment on Twitter. Since Musk bought the site he has reactivated previously banned accounts. These, along with a huge number of new accounts, are attributed to the rise in bullying etc.
He's a very strange individual. The latest is that he has two bodyguards who even go to the toilet with him and he's offering to sell the office plants to his remaining employees. It's all about money with him, even down to a potted plant!!! |
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Twitter is a free for all for abuse etc since the fool took over. |
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He needs to do something about all the bugs that have happened since he took over. Completely unreliable. It went down last week, today it's half broken because they locked themselves out of the API.
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Seems one of the people fired has been offered their job back as they had a 9 figure payout out clause on termination.
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However, if he was ever fired from Twitter the total outstanding amount of the purchase price would become payable. Around $100 million I believe. For this reason his name was likely to have been on a VIP ‘do not fire’ list and in a normal, functional head office someone in HR would have been on top of all this and he never would have got fired. Twitter, however, is highly dysfunctional and an awful lot seems to be occurring at the whim of Musk who doesn’t seem minded to listen to his own experts or do any fact checking until his actions come back to bite him on the bum. Musk has tried to claim that the issue was resolved when he explored the issues around the sacking for himself rather than believing what he was being told by other people, but as an explanation that’s poor. If he’s not getting accurate information about a sacking that would cost the company $100 million, he needs to understand exactly why that is. Is he only listening to what he wants to hear? Are people so scared of losing their own jobs they will only tell him what he wants to hear? Has he already sacked so many people that there’s nobody left with the appropriate skills or experience to advise him well? |
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