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Mick 16-12-2022 16:22

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142023)
Is that why he suspended the account of the person who posted the video of Musk at the gig being booed? Because it revealed Musk was there?

I like the fact they're disrupting general links to Mastodon as well, pretty petty.

No it’s not. You said pages ago he can do what he wants. Well, he’s doing it, just find the hypocrisy stinks, that when this was happening to conservative type accounts, by the leftist Twitter regime, there was a deafening silence.

1andrew1 16-12-2022 16:44

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141998)
Oh wonderful idea, an echo chamber of lefties, no thank you.

If you joined Mastodon, you could provide helpful balance and help show those woke liberals the errors of their ways!

Damien 16-12-2022 16:46

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142027)
No it’s not. You said pages ago he can do what he wants. Well, he’s doing it, just find the hypocrisy stinks, that when this was happening to conservative type accounts, by the leftist Twitter regime, there was a deafening silence.

Yes because who cares? I am only saying now that it turns out the same people decrying the right-wing bans are finding excuses for the left-wing bans. Proving it was never about free speech and more just about the culture war.

No one is entitled to decide Twitter's moderation policy, it was never nearly a big deal as people were making out.

Pierre 16-12-2022 16:53

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36142016)
Everyone knows there’s only one left leaning snake pit worth reading on t’internet.

Is that here?

Mick 16-12-2022 18:25

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142031)
Yes because who cares? I am only saying now that it turns out the same people decrying the right-wing bans are finding excuses for the left-wing bans. Proving it was never about free speech and more just about the culture war.

No one is entitled to decide Twitter's moderation policy, it was never nearly a big deal as people were making out.

Yes they are, that would Elon, so long as he acting in accordance with the law.

Also, it’s not a cultist war, they linked to information that contained private details, Elon accuses them of linking to his private address, doesn’t matter how available they are, outside of Twitter, linking to or providing such personal information, isn’t allowed, it’s a reasonable request and those journalists breached that rule, testing and trolling Elon, by spuriously posting links, that was bound to get them in to trouble, to where they are now, I’m sure they will be unbanned at some point.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36142030)
If you joined Mastodon, you could provide helpful balance and help show those woke liberals the errors of their ways!

I saw a post from one of the owners, he had people whinging at him from all corners, don’t allow this account, don’t let that account on. He quite frankly had enough of being whinged at that day, so no thanks.

Paul 16-12-2022 20:17

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Banning accounts for posting publicly available facts is just dumb.
Then again, it seems hes a bit of a nut job, who is losing the plot more each day.
I guess the fact he made a huge blunder buying it, and was forced to use a big chunk of his (shrinking) fortune in the process, is getting to him.

Mick 16-12-2022 20:21

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36142052)
Banning accounts for posting publicly available facts is just dumb.
Then again, it seems hes a bit of a nut job, who is losing the plot more each day.
I guess the fact he made a huge blunder buying it, and was forced to use a big chunk of his (shrinking) fortune in the process, is getting to him.

I don’t think it is dumb. If someone posted a link to your details, after someone just potentially seemed to stalk what they thought was you, but it was his young son, you wouldn’t like it. Even if that information is on another site.

Paul 16-12-2022 20:28

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142054)
I don’t think it is dumb. If someone posted a link to your details, after someone just potentially seemed to stalk what they thought was you, but it was his young son, you wouldn’t like it. Even if that information is on another site.

Well I do. ;)
There is a difference between "not liking it" and outright banning an account.
He can just delete the post and/or warn them to stop (if they ignore this and carry on, thats another matter).

Mick 16-12-2022 20:41

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36142055)
Well I do. ;)
There is a difference between "not liking it" and outright banning an account.
He can just delete the post and/or warn them to stop (if they ignore this and carry on, thats another matter).

I personally feel some of them were testing him & trolling him, the mastodon account posted links to the elonjet account, now on mastodon, given the security scare he’s received with a stalker, he suspended that account. He created a ruling that forbids posting real-time information of celebrity whereabouts on Twitter, these journalists then posted links to this information on mastodon, after he had warned that doing so will lead to account suspension.

pip08456 16-12-2022 21:33

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36142055)
Well I do. ;)
There is a difference between "not liking it" and outright banning an account.
He can just delete the post and/or warn them to stop (if they ignore this and carry on, thats another matter).

Their accounts haven't been banned. Suspended for 7 days.

Ramrod 16-12-2022 23:01

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36142061)
Their accounts haven't been banned. Suspended for 7 days.

Which is fair....

Paul 16-12-2022 23:36

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36142061)
Their accounts haven't been banned. Suspended for 7 days.

Ok, well if thats the case, it seems fair enough.
[ Esp if, as Mick noted above, they were warned first ].

jfman 17-12-2022 12:20

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Musk reinstates the journalists in a manner as concerning as the way they were suspended.

Mick 17-12-2022 13:37

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36142105)
Musk reinstates the journalists in a manner as concerning as the way they were suspended.

What was strange about it?

Elon set a poll, people voted 59% to 41% to unsuspend the journalists, seems a reasonable way, democracy in action. I think nearly 4 Million had voted on it in 24 hours.

People call Elon for his strangeness, but one of the Journalists suspended, was evading his temp ban through his dogs Twitter account, yeah he had set one up for his bloody dog.A U.S Sports commentator, Keith Olbermann. :rolleyes:

1andrew1 17-12-2022 13:46

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142108)
What was strange about it?

Elon set a poll, people voted 59% to 41% to unsuspend the journalists, seems a reasonable way, democracy in action. I think nearly 4 Million had voted on it in 24 hours.

People call Elon for his strangeness, but one of the Journalists suspended, was evading his temp ban through his dogs Twitter account, yeah he had set one up for his bloody dog.A U.S Sports commentator, Keith Olbermann. :rolleyes:

I think Musk was getting pressure from governments and he used the vote as a way of saving face.

Hugh 17-12-2022 13:54

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Musk keeps using the phrase "Vox Populi Vox Dei" to show he’s listening to "the people".

Amusingly, the context of the phrase in its original setting means exactly the opposite - it was originated by a learned scholar (Alcuin) in Charlemagne’s court, and he advised the King

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Nec audiendi qui solent dicere, Vox populi, vox Dei, quum tumultuositas vulgi semper insaniae proxima sit.
Which translates to

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And those people should not be listened to who keep saying the voice of the people is the voice of God, since the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness.

pip08456 17-12-2022 14:33

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36142112)
Musk keeps using the phrase "Vox Populi Vox Dei" to show he’s listening to "the people".

Amusingly, the context of the phrase in its original setting means exactly the opposite - it was originated by a learned scholar (Alcuin) in Charlemagne’s court, and he advised the King



Which translates to

Putting the phrase in a different context does not change the translation.

Hugh 17-12-2022 14:46

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36142117)
Putting the phrase in a different context does not change the translation.

It’s the original context, not a different one…

pip08456 17-12-2022 17:13

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36142118)
It’s the original context, not a different one…

Are you saying that's the first time the phrase was ever used or that it is the first recorded time?

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The term “vox populi” sounds like the sort of thing that would have been commonly evoked in the Roman Republic, but the earliest known reference to equating it with the voice of God (“Vox populi, vox Dei)—in a disapproving way—is attributed to Saxon scholar and teacher Alcuin of York (735–804), then Master of the Palace School at Aachen
my bold.

https://www.historynet.com/what-is-t...opuli-vox-dei/

Hugh 17-12-2022 17:42

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First recorded time, and in that context…

TheDaddy 17-12-2022 17:42

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36142131)
Are you saying that's the first time the phrase was ever used or that it is the first recorded time?

Scholars and teachers were usually priests in those days and did everything in Latin and the first recorded time it's used might as well be the first time it was used, it's certainly the first known time it was used that someone took interest enough in it to write it down, think I'll give historynet a miss, sounds like it's for children

Paul 17-12-2022 17:50

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Sheesh, move on people.

Hugh 17-12-2022 18:26

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:tu:

1andrew1 18-12-2022 13:43

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Interesting to see that Twitter is now trying to raise more money.
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The head of Elon Musk’s family office has approached investors who helped the billionaire buy Twitter for $44bn in October to try and raise new funds as the social media company continues to bleed cash and faces heavy interest payments on its debts.
There are two schools of thought on what the money is for:
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“Everything has been done haphazardly and roughly,” said investment adviser Ross Gerber, who invested in the Twitter deal in October and confirmed he had received the latest offer. “They’re doing it because they’re out of money. I don’t think [Musk] expected such a big drop in revenue.”

A second person whose firm received the offer said Musk had indicated the new capital would be used to fund an expansion of its business, including a “hiring spree” of programmers to build a “super app” that could process payments, among other services.
https://www.ft.com/content/bb047c8f-...b-50d0494c8c48

It's also interesting to note Musk's share sales in Tesla. In April, he said he would not sell more stock in the company. This week, he sold $3.6bn in Tesla.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63981767

I think Musk is learning what Truss and Kwarteng learnt the hard way: that business (in his case, advertisers) doesn't like uncertainty and Twitter under Musk is delivering uncertainty by the car load!

Damien 18-12-2022 14:29

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I wonder if he is slowly trying to get out of Telsa, he has sold a lot of shares in it over the last year and the price has dropped a lot. A lot of that is just a market correction as Telsa was absurdly overvalued compared to other car companies but with those companies taking a stronger interest in electric models as well as the problems Telsa have had it might be something he wants to get rid of.

1andrew1 18-12-2022 21:25

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142165)
I wonder if he is slowly trying to get out of Telsa, he has sold a lot of shares in it over the last year and the price has dropped a lot. A lot of that is just a market correction as Telsa was absurdly overvalued compared to other car companies but with those companies taking a stronger interest in electric models as well as the problems Telsa have had it might be something he wants to get rid of.

That theory makes sense. Tesla's market share is bound to fall as competition increases, particularly from Chinese and European manufacturers.

Pierre 19-12-2022 00:11

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Always great to see the captains of British industry and Investment weighing in with their assessment!

1andrew1 19-12-2022 00:22

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36142194)
Always great to see the captains of British industry and Investment weighing in with their assessment!

Warren Buffet had difficulty resetting his password so Damien and I thought we'd try and fill the gap! :D

Mick 19-12-2022 10:37

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36142162)
Interesting to see that Twitter is now trying to raise more money.


There are two schools of thought on what the money is for:

https://www.ft.com/content/bb047c8f-...b-50d0494c8c48

It's also interesting to note Musk's share sales in Tesla. In April, he said he would not sell more stock in the company. This week, he sold $3.6bn in Tesla.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63981767

I think Musk is learning what Truss and Kwarteng learnt the hard way: that business (in his case, advertisers) doesn't like uncertainty and Twitter under Musk is delivering uncertainty by the car load!

Utter dire assessment towards the end there.

Last night, he’s set up another Twitter poll, asking if he should leave as head of Twitter, last time I looked it was about 56.7% yes, 43.3 No, nearly 16,000,000 had voted on it. Important to note, he’d still own it, just would not be in charge of running it day to day, behind the scenes, would still have a big say on how it’s run. Tesla share holders want him back focusing on Tesla, Twitter has been big distraction for him.

Hugh 19-12-2022 11:14

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I’m sure that poll had nothing to do with him meeting his Saudi Arabian financial backers (second largest investors in Twitter) in Qatar last night…

Imagine being so overtly authoritarian that even the Saudis tell you to stand down. ;)

On a totally unrelated note, the tweets by @TwitterSupport yesterday announcing a new policy banning linking to competing websites, have been deleted.

The policy itself has also been deleted from Twitter’s website.

Paul 19-12-2022 14:44

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Twitter has turned into a joke, a very expensive joke if you have money invested in it.

Mick 19-12-2022 16:47

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You have never been a fan of it anyway, even before he took over it.

Anyway, as I said earlier, he can step down, following his own poll result, but he still owns it, he’s not spent $44 Billion to hand control of it to someone else, he’ll still call the shots behind the scenes.

RichardCoulter 19-12-2022 17:28

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36142207)
I’m sure that poll had nothing to do with him meeting his Saudi Arabian financial backers (second largest investors in Twitter) in Qatar last night…

Imagine being so overtly authoritarian that even the Saudis tell you to stand down. ;)

On a totally unrelated note, the tweets by @TwitterSupport yesterday announcing a new policy banning linking to competing websites, have been deleted.

The policy itself has also been deleted from Twitter’s website.

Saw something about this on the news last night.

It also said that Musk had promised to increase free speech on Twitter, but then went on to ban someone who was posting the (publicly available) movements of Musks personal plane.

Mick 19-12-2022 17:35

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36142221)
Saw something about this on the news last night.

It also said that Musk had promised to increase free speech on Twitter, but then went on to ban someone who was posting the (publicly available) movements of Musks personal plane.

There is definitely more free speech than there was before, previously, the woke left Twitter regime, came down heavy on people who believe, there is still only 2 genders, they also suspended folk who discussed vaccine injuries & slapped misinformation warnings on despite the fact, yes a fact, that many people have died or been seriously injured receiving the Covid vaccines.

Paul 19-12-2022 18:53

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142218)
You have never been a fan of it anyway, even before he took over it.

I'm not a fan of any so called Social Media site, they are all as bad as one another. However, it was not the joke its now become, with policies being changed, and changed again, on a daily basis, I'm suprised any of the moderators still left know what the rules are each day.

Damien 19-12-2022 19:06

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The ban on external social media sites would have had the EU and other regulators on them so quick. No surprise that was reversed.

Mick 19-12-2022 19:22

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142239)
The ban on external social media sites would have had the EU and other regulators on them so quick. No surprise that was reversed.

Was not reversed for that reason. No one give a toss what the corrupted EU think, given the current corruption scandal going on in their European Parliament & Qatar money and raids,

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36142237)
I'm not a fan of any so called Social Media site, they are all as bad as one another. However, it was not the joke its now become, with policies being changed, and changed again, on a daily basis, I'm suprised any of the moderators still left know what the rules are each day.

What do you expect when a company changed ownership, changes get made, some good, others not so good. Policies come & go, just like we change stuff on here, periodically.

Damien 19-12-2022 19:41

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142240)
Was not reversed for that reason. No one give a toss what the corrupted EU think, given the current corruption scandal going on in their European Parliament & Qatar money and raids,

Microsoft are offering a 10-year COD deal to Nintendo and Sony to try and appease the EU and America's regulators to try and get their Activision deal though. Apple might be opening up the App Store because of EU pressure.

The biggest companies in the world do worry about the regulations of the areas they trade-in.

I am not sure if that's why Musk reversed it but just saying banning links to your competitions is sure to invite multiple anti-trust investigations.

Mick 19-12-2022 20:05

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142243)
Microsoft are offering a 10-year COD deal to Nintendo and Sony to try and appease the EU and America's regulators to try and get their Activision deal though. Apple might be opening up the App Store because of EU pressure.

The biggest companies in the world do worry about the regulations of the areas they trade-in.

I am not sure if that's why Musk reversed it but just saying banning links to your competitions is sure to invite multiple anti-trust investigations.

He reversed it because of the backlash it caused upon its announcement.

Look, him heading Twitter was always going to be a temporary thing for him, he said that himself, he’s got six other companies to run, I think he knew how this poll was going to go and it’s way of using it to leave CEO position and say it’s the peoples choice, Tesla people want him back focusing on them. Running a social media giant isn’t his forte.

1andrew1 19-12-2022 23:15

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142243)
Microsoft are offering a 10-year COD deal to Nintendo and Sony to try and appease the EU and America's regulators to try and get their Activision deal though. Apple might be opening up the App Store because of EU pressure.

The biggest companies in the world do worry about the regulations of the areas they trade-in.

I am not sure if that's why Musk reversed it but just saying banning links to your competitions is sure to invite multiple anti-trust investigations.

Yes, the governments of China, the US the EU and elsewhere have great power over the tech companies in their jurisdictions. Look no further than Apple having to use the USB-C connector in places of its lightning connector in the EU by December 2024 and the banning of Facebook in China.

Ramrod 20-12-2022 21:21

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Before Monday’s bombshell edition of the Twitter Files, internal communications suggested that the FBI manipulated Twitter’s content cops through former G-men embedded inside the company, appeals to a warped sense of patriotism, and letting woke staffers feel like characters on “Quantico.” The latest drop, released by author Michael Shellenberger, revealed that the FBI sweetened the deal with cold cash.

Twitter, which by all accounts was poorly run by the pre-Musk regime, lost a combined nearly $1.4 billion in 2020 and 2021. A bloated payroll, dubious business model, and a pampered workforce more interested in latte-fueled hot yoga than the bottom line were just some of the obvious reasons. But doing the FBI’s bidding and preventing Americans from knowing who they were about to elect as president in 2020 was one profitable little corner of the otherwise poorly performing platform.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/how-t...h-better-price

Hugh 20-12-2022 21:58

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https://twitter.com/cscnme/status/16...Xo3rOAo7SBwOUA

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Note here that "statutory right of reimbursement" means that it is a LAW that the government entity (FBI in this case) will provide reimbursement for fees associated with gathering the data requested. (18 U.S. Code § 2706)

SOP, not quid pro quo, not a smoking gun
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1671569959

You’d think a journalist would check this before building an entire narrative around it…

And to put the amount of money into context (around $3.5 million over 3 years, so just over a million dollars a year), Twitter’s turnover in 2020 was $3.72 billion, so the million dollars was around 0.0003% of turnover…

https://media.giphy.com/media/sEULHciNa7tUQ/giphy.gif

Ramrod 21-12-2022 13:41

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Apparently this went further than simply gathering data. The FBI/Democrats made requests to twitter to affect users accounts. That is, I believe, against the constitution.

TheDaddy 21-12-2022 14:19

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36142352)
Apparently this went further than simply gathering data. The FBI/Democrats made requests to twitter to affect users accounts. That is, I believe, against the constitution.

No wonder elmo is pissed, he bought twitter for a lot more than the fbi did

Something that is nagging away at me though is during the period this was going on the man in charge of the fbi was appointed by trump and donny controlled the executive branch of federal government :shrug:

Damien 21-12-2022 14:55

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36142352)
Apparently this went further than simply gathering data. The FBI/Democrats made requests to twitter to affect users accounts. That is, I believe, against the constitution.

It sounds like the requests all these tech companies get. If it's for personal information or messages then it needs to be signed by a judge IIRC.

They all publish info about this yearly: https://transparency.twitter.com/en/...l#2021-jul-dec

1andrew1 21-12-2022 15:03

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142359)
It sounds like the requests all these tech companies get. If it's for personal information or messages then it needs to be signed by a judge IIRC.

They all publish info about this yearly: https://transparency.twitter.com/en/...l#2021-jul-dec

It looks like a nothing story.

Mick 21-12-2022 16:42

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142359)
It sounds like the requests all these tech companies get. If it's for personal information or messages then it needs to be signed by a judge IIRC.

They all publish info about this yearly: https://transparency.twitter.com/en/...l#2021-jul-dec

No judge would ever risk signing.

The FBI or CIA or any other U.S government agency, requesting the removal of a lawful communication by a U.S citizen, would be in potential breach of 1st Amendment rights under the Constitution.

So any Judge signing a court order to remove anything on Twitter at the request of the FBI/CIA, would be acting unconstitutionally and could be sued.

Twitter can remove anything if wants as it’s not a governmental entity, but Twitter removing stuff, in concert with a government agency, this is violation of 1st Amendment rights, so long as the communication is lawful.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36142360)
It looks like a nothing story.

Because it’s not your rights being violated, but Constitutional rights in the U.S are sacrosanct. A U.S citizen, has the most freedoms in the world when it comes to speech.

Damien 21-12-2022 17:20

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142363)
No judge would ever risk signing.

The FBI or CIA or any other U.S government agency, requesting the removal of a lawful communication by a U.S citizen, would be in potential breach of 1st Amendment rights under the Constitution.

So any Judge signing a court order to remove anything on Twitter at the request of the FBI/CIA, would be acting unconstitutionally and could be sued.

Twitter can remove anything if wants as it’s not a governmental entity, but Twitter removing stuff, in concert with a government agency, this is violation of 1st Amendment rights, so long as the communication is lawful.

But the FBI compensation we were discussing, was that for taking down tweets or responding to legal requests for information? The latter is normal when the FBI (or our police) are investigating crimes.

The article is very smoke and mirrors and not setting out the specific allegation. They’re saying the FBI paid Twitter and the program they reference is a standard compensation scheme for the time taking to respond to legal requests.

Mick 21-12-2022 18:35

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You’re missing the point. No government agency can request removal of protected speech, regardless of any recompense, it’s still unconstitutional, 1st Amendment is explicit, no government can hinder lawful speech, nor can it create any law that does same. There is no way around it.

Chris 21-12-2022 22:51

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142368)
You’re missing the point. No government agency can request removal of protected speech, regardless of any recompense, it’s still unconstitutional, 1st Amendment is explicit, no government can hinder lawful speech, nor can it create any law that does same. There is no way around it.

I think the point is clear that the FBI isn’t allowed to ask for the removal of protected speech.

Damien’s observations is that it is unclear whether the FBI has actually done this. If the FBI has requested information from Twitter, then it would pay for Twitter’s time in collating that information. In other words there are perfectly reasonable and legal ways that payments from the FBI can turn up on Twitter’s books. The news report we’re all discussing here is a little vague on the precise details of what the FBI has actually been paying for, and as per usual for American politics 2020s style, everyone dives into their usual bunker and assumes things are as they always do.

1andrew1 21-12-2022 23:10

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142363)
Because it’s not your rights being violated, but Constitutional rights in the U.S are sacrosanct. A U.S citizen, has the most freedoms in the world when it comes to speech.

Agreed that Constitutional rights in the U.S are sacrosanct. But I honestly think that if the FBI had got protected speech taken down, it would be all over the media. The fact that it isn't all over the media suggests to me this is a non-story.

Ramrod 22-12-2022 11:23

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36142377)
But I honestly think that if the FBI had got protected speech taken down, it would be all over the media.

The media has been ignoring/refusing to report on various important topics for the last couple of years. have you not noticed?

1andrew1 22-12-2022 12:12

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36142385)
The media has been ignoring/refusing to report on various important topics for the last couple of years. have you not noticed?

My feeling is that there's so much strongly pro-Republican media out there eg New York Post, Fox News that they would have reported such a situation if it had any ounce of credibility and sometimes even if it didn't.

Hugh 22-12-2022 12:32

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36142385)
The media has been ignoring/refusing to report on various important topics for the last couple of years. have you not noticed?

The media has not been reporting things until they actually verify the story - this is what professional journalists do…

Dude111 22-12-2022 13:44

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Originally Posted by Paul
Twitter has turned into a joke, a very expensive joke if you have money invested in it.

Ya I had a feeling he would ruin it if they forced him to go thru with it.....


I wonder now that he stepped down,can the people who were expired come back??

Hugh 22-12-2022 14:20

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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36142395)
Ya I had a feeling he would ruin it if they forced him to go thru with it.....


I wonder now that he stepped down,can the people who were expired come back??

He’s still the owner…

Paul 22-12-2022 14:22

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I dont think he has actually stepped down yet either, just "promised" he will.

TheDaddy 22-12-2022 14:36

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Be funny if the new ceo came in and fired the head of the software and server teams...

Dude111 22-12-2022 15:30

Hehe yes that would be something!!

Hugh 23-12-2022 01:46

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Everything’s fine…

https://g.co/kgs/wmfp4Q

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1671756243

Three months ago it was $308…

1andrew1 23-12-2022 09:00

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36142483)
Everything’s fine…

https://g.co/kgs/wmfp4Q

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1671756243callt

Three months ago it was $308…

That P/E ratio is ridiculously high suggesting the shares have some way to go before being realistically priced. Toyota's is about 9.5 and GM and Ford about 5.5. Having Musk spend more time at Tesla won't change the fundamentals.

Dude111 23-12-2022 12:09

Thanx for the update hugh :)

Damien 28-12-2022 08:53

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Tesla shares went down another 10% yesterday, it's almost halved in the last month alone. 72% overall since the start of the year. Some of that loss happened as all tech stocks self-corrected after COVID but the 50% is far outside what's happened elsewhere in the stock market over the last month.

Paul 28-12-2022 16:05

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But is that down to something he has done, or some other reason ?

Damien 28-12-2022 16:11

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36142712)
But is that down to something he has done, or some other reason ?

General fall in tech stocks that were overvalued during COVID. The average drop since the start of the year is 30%. Tesla is also more vulnerable than Apple/Microsoft/Google as so much of its promise was unproven, based on the idea it could eventually dominate the electric car space, and that's being undermined by the progress of the traditional car makers. People are starting to correctly see Tesla as a car company rather than a technology company and it's undermining its value.

The drop in the last month though - 35% instead of the average of 8% for other companies - is being put down to concerns over Musk's dedication to Telsa and his erratic behaviour. He also sold a lot of stock himself over the last month which spooks existing shareholders obviously.

I think personally the order of importance is:
  1. Telsa was overvalued, other car companies are catching up, people don't see Tesla dominating in the way they had hoped
  2. General Stock Market Correction
  3. Musk

ianch99 30-12-2022 13:56

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Not sure if anyone is following this but there is vile individual called Andrew Tate that Musk unbanned. He attempted to wind up Greta Thunberg by telling him how many gas guzzling cars he owns. She then replied basically saying he was a dick. His retort consisted of a rambling video, part of which consisted of showing Greta his non-recycled pizza boxes.

So far, who cares but here the funny part: the Romanian police who had been waiting him to return to their country, noted the pizza box origin and prompted raided his house and arrested him (and his brother) on sex trafficking charges. Brilliant!

Greta had the last word :)

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/12/4.jpg

TheDaddy 30-12-2022 14:15

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36142823)
Not sure if anyone is following this but there is vile individual called Andrew Tate that Musk unbanned. He attempted to wind up Greta Thunberg by telling him how many gas guzzling cars he owns. She then replied basically saying he was a dick. His retort consisted of a rambling video, part of which consisted of showing Greta his non-recycled pizza boxes.

So far, who cares but here the funny part: the Romanian police who had been waiting him to return to their country, noted the pizza box origin and prompted raided his house and arrested him (and his brother) on sex trafficking charges. Brilliant!

Greta had the last word :)

He might own 33 cars but she owned him, what a plank

So elmo helped protect people on twitter from predators by reinstating Tate's account and he's just been arrested for, oh yes, sex trafficking, wonder how long it'll be before someone gives elmo credit for assisting with the arrest...

Hugh 30-12-2022 15:26

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I wonder if he initially trolled the wrong GRETA?

https://www.coe.int/en/web/anti-human-trafficking/greta

Damien 30-12-2022 16:21

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I am not sure if I believe the pizza box story personally, seems too good to be true really.

I find Tate very odd and don't understand to who he appeals to. The kind of hyper-performative masculinity seems like a parody to me, a sitcom character, of someone very insecure and masking it by being completely over the top. Smoking cigars, showing off wealth all the time, and posting complete nonsense on Twitter.

mrmistoffelees 30-12-2022 19:16

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142713)
General fall in tech stocks that were overvalued during COVID. The average drop since the start of the year is 30%. Tesla is also more vulnerable than Apple/Microsoft/Google as so much of its promise was unproven, based on the idea it could eventually dominate the electric car space, and that's being undermined by the progress of the traditional car makers. People are starting to correctly see Tesla as a car company rather than a technology company and it's undermining its value.

The drop in the last month though - 35% instead of the average of 8% for other companies - is being put down to concerns over Musk's dedication to Telsa and his erratic behaviour. He also sold a lot of stock himself over the last month which spooks existing shareholders obviously.

I think personally the order of importance is:
  1. Telsa was overvalued, other car companies are catching up, people don't see Tesla dominating in the way they had hoped
  2. General Stock Market Correction
  3. Musk

It’s a stock market correction as the primary focus for tech companies/startups was growth at any cost. Now, profitable growth is the order of the day.

The above combined with companies going on hiring sprees during the early days of the pandemic is now leading to the ongoing redundancies

Damien 13-01-2023 10:19

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Looks like Twitter killed access for third-party apps. I used a nice third-party client that made the timeline clean and easy, not working this morning.

BenMcr 13-01-2023 10:43

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36143625)
Looks like Twitter killed access for third-party apps. I used a nice third-party client that made the timeline clean and easy, not working this morning.

Assume it's an error rather than active choice until I see something different.
https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=t...ty&FORM=HDRSC7

Damien 13-01-2023 10:45

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Hope so. I hate the official Twitter apps as I just want a simple, chronological, timeline of the people I follow.

Hugh 13-01-2023 11:38

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36143628)
Hope so. I hate the official Twitter apps as I just want a simple, chronological, timeline of the people I follow.

Yup - the Android App now defaults to "For You", and you have to click "Following" each time you go into the App (but strangely not on the Chrome webpage version).

Paul 13-01-2023 16:17

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Another nail in its coffin ?

For fun I tried to log in to my account again today, still cannot.
I never even get the login page to load, just hangs on a blank screen as usual. Pathetic. :rolleyes:

[ Of course, I'm devestated ..... not ] :)

TheDaddy 14-01-2023 14:26

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Think I might be on the brink of giving up with it, nothing works properly anymore including the verification system, shame as I've got a huge following but I don't know if I can be arsed wasting my time with it's nonsense for much longer

Paul 16-01-2023 21:37

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Taliban buying blue ticks ;

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The Taliban have started using Twitter's paid-for verification feature, meaning some now have blue ticks on their accounts.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-64294613

Damien 16-01-2023 22:49

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Still really annoyed they killed third-party apps, their app is horrible and keeps trying to push other people's posts on me.

Paul 17-01-2023 04:06

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Just dump it. :)

TheDaddy 19-01-2023 05:02

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36140476)
If Trump isn’t interested, then why did he urge people to vote on the poll on his TS site?

His Narcissistic tones, will get the better of him and he’ll return for the attention, I think.

Vicious rumour donny is coming back...

Damien 19-01-2023 08:51

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36143780)
Just dump it. :)

I want to do so, and am slowly using it less (their apps really are horrible and the MacOS one doesn't even work properly! :mad:) but need an alternative for football and tech news. Twitter is still the best for that breaking news.

Damien 14-02-2023 08:48

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My ‘for you’ section is now full of Elon Musk tweets :rolleyes:

Chris 14-02-2023 10:42

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36145924)
My ‘for you’ section is now full of Elon Musk tweets :rolleyes:

At least it’s stopped defaulting to “for you”. Or at least it has done on my app. For a couple of weeks after it first appeared I was having to check and change it regularly. But I’ve not had it switch itself away from “following” for a while now.

BenMcr 14-02-2023 10:44

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36145927)
But I’ve not had it switch itself away from “following” for a while now.

They release an app update to fix that after lots of complaints

Hugh 16-02-2023 19:55

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142713)
General fall in tech stocks that were overvalued during COVID. The average drop since the start of the year is 30%. Tesla is also more vulnerable than Apple/Microsoft/Google as so much of its promise was unproven, based on the idea it could eventually dominate the electric car space, and that's being undermined by the progress of the traditional car makers. People are starting to correctly see Tesla as a car company rather than a technology company and it's undermining its value.

The drop in the last month though - 35% instead of the average of 8% for other companies - is being put down to concerns over Musk's dedication to Telsa and his erratic behaviour. He also sold a lot of stock himself over the last month which spooks existing shareholders obviously.

I think personally the order of importance is:
  1. Telsa was overvalued, other car companies are catching up, people don't see Tesla dominating in the way they had hoped
  2. General Stock Market Correction
  3. Musk

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/16/tesl...e-crashes.html

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Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says Full Self-Driving Beta software may cause crashes

- Tesla is recalling 362,758 vehicles and warns that its experimental driver-assistance software, marketed as Full Self-Driving Beta, may cause crashes.

- The recall notice was posted on the website of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration on Thursday.

- Tesla will deliver an over-the-air software update to cars to address the issues, the recall notice said.

The FSD Beta system may cause crashes by allowing the affected vehicles to: “Act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution,” according to the notice on the website of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

The FSD Beta system may also have trouble responding appropriately “to changes in posted speed limits,” the notice said…

… Tesla lets thousands of drivers try new and unfinished driver assistance features on public roads in the U.S. through FSD Beta. The technology does not make Tesla electric cars autonomous, nor safe to drive without a human at the wheel ready to brake or steer at any second — despite the brand name.

Only Tesla owners who have the company’s premium FSD driver assistance system installed in their cars can join the FSD Beta program. That option now costs $15,000 up front or $199 per month in the U.S. today.
Impressive business model - get the users to pay to debug your software…

Mad Max 17-02-2023 22:00

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Driverless cars, nah, no thanks.

Mr K 17-02-2023 22:18

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36146223)
Driverless cars, nah, no thanks.

I don't know, can't do worse than actual drivers these days, particularly if they 'drive' an Audi.

Hugh 18-02-2023 00:00

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36146226)
I don't know, can't do worse than actual drivers these days, particularly if they 'drive' an Audi.

Vorsprung Durch Technik envy… ;)

heero_yuy 18-02-2023 08:48

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36146226)
I don't know, can't do worse than actual drivers these days, particularly if they 'drive' an Audi.

Silver BMWs surely.

They're the ones who regularly try to T-Bone you.

Mr K 18-02-2023 21:29

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36146238)
Silver BMWs surely.

They're the ones who regularly try to T-Bone you.

True or tailgate you for getting in their way by doing the speed limit.

RichardCoulter 06-03-2023 19:24

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Tonight's Panorama is about the rise in trolling/harrassment on Twitter. Since Musk bought the site he has reactivated previously banned accounts. These, along with a huge number of new accounts, are attributed to the rise in bullying etc.

He's a very strange individual. The latest is that he has two bodyguards who even go to the toilet with him and he's offering to sell the office plants to his remaining employees. It's all about money with him, even down to a potted plant!!!

pip08456 06-03-2023 19:38

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36147572)
Tonight's Panorama is about the rise in trolling/harrassment on Twitter. Since Musk bought the site he has reactivated previously banned accounts. These, along with a huge number of new accounts, are attributed to the rise in bullying etc.

He's a very strange individual. The latest is that he has two bodyguards who even go to the toilet with him and he's offering to sell the office plants to his remaining employees. It's all about money with him, even down to a potted plant!!!

About time the snowflakes started using the block option.

1701-e 06-03-2023 22:04

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36147573)
About time the snowflakes started using the block option.

Maybe watch the panorama special before commenting.

Twitter is a free for all for abuse etc since the fool took over.

Damien 06-03-2023 23:14

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He needs to do something about all the bugs that have happened since he took over. Completely unreliable. It went down last week, today it's half broken because they locked themselves out of the API.

Paul 06-03-2023 23:41

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Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36147580)
Maybe watch the panorama special before commenting.

Twitter is a free for all for abuse etc since the fool took over.

So as stated, use the block option, or better still, dont use twitter at all.

Chris 07-03-2023 00:02

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36147595)
So as stated, use the block option, or better still, dont use twitter at all.

Twitter is so big and so globally influential now, that’s scarcely an option for many. Blocking people prevents you seeing them but does nothing to prevent them spreading things that are sometimes very poisonous and occasionally dangerous. If I’d been suitably offended by the tweets that incited a riot in Washington DC I wouldn’t have done anything to defuse them by blocking Trump or any of his hangers on.

RichardCoulter 07-03-2023 17:35

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Panorama now on the iPlayer:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001jwb5

RichardCoulter 11-03-2023 08:51

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36147573)
About time the snowflakes started using the block option.

This morning the BBC reported news that some of these new/reactivated accounts are also deliberately spreading misinformation.

Chrysalis 11-03-2023 13:20

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Seems one of the people fired has been offered their job back as they had a 9 figure payout out clause on termination.

Chris 11-03-2023 13:39

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 36147964)
Seems one of the people fired has been offered their job back as they had a 9 figure payout out clause on termination.

Haraldur Thorleifsson sold his company to Twitter and took his fee as employment and a salary, deliberately so as to pay a generous amount of tax to the Icelandic government. He said he had done well out of the Icelandic welfare state and wanted to give something back, so avoided ‘tax efficient’ vehicles like share options.

However, if he was ever fired from Twitter the total outstanding amount of the purchase price would become payable. Around $100 million I believe. For this reason his name was likely to have been on a VIP ‘do not fire’ list and in a normal, functional head office someone in HR would have been on top of all this and he never would have got fired.

Twitter, however, is highly dysfunctional and an awful lot seems to be occurring at the whim of Musk who doesn’t seem minded to listen to his own experts or do any fact checking until his actions come back to bite him on the bum. Musk has tried to claim that the issue was resolved when he explored the issues around the sacking for himself rather than believing what he was being told by other people, but as an explanation that’s poor. If he’s not getting accurate information about a sacking that would cost the company $100 million, he needs to understand exactly why that is. Is he only listening to what he wants to hear? Are people so scared of losing their own jobs they will only tell him what he wants to hear? Has he already sacked so many people that there’s nobody left with the appropriate skills or experience to advise him well?


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