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Hugh 24-02-2022 17:47

Re: Russia has begun its full on invasion of Ukraine (Defcon 4)
 
THE Government today unveiled 10 sanctions:

Individual sanctions against more than 100 Russian oligarchs and their entities
Banning Russia's flag carrier Aeroflot from landing in the UK
An asset freeze for all major Russian banks including giant VTB
Legislation banning Russian firms from raising finance on UK markets
Ban dual export licences to Russia from today
Banning high-tech exports to Russia
Limit the amount Russians can deposit in UK bank accounts
Shut off Russia's access to the Swift global payment system
Extend these sanctions to co-aggressors Belarus
Bring forward the Economic Crime Bill to make it easier to go after dirty money

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politi...back-at-putin/

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114535)
Can I please insist we ALL have a bit of unity, no more them vs. us. Referring to others as idiots doesn’t help.

Unity is needed because I’m watching with my own eyes, innocent Ukrainian people, children being targeted by military jets. Footage shows One plane shoots missiles at a house, with a young child, I’ve never seen anything so chilling. So please. Enough is enough.

Agreed

1andrew1 24-02-2022 17:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114537)
Large demonstrations have occurred in St Petersburg, Russia - despite warnings it’s government will crack down heavy on any anti-war protesters.

Incredibly brave of them. :clap::clap::clap:

Mick 24-02-2022 17:57

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From a NBC News foreign Correspondent:

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Moscow is willing to negotiate terms of surrender with kyiv, Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov.
In exchange Ukraine would: a guarantee of neutral status and the promise of no weapons on its territory. Per RT.

TheDaddy 24-02-2022 18:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114541)
From a NBC News foreign Correspondent:

Wonder if that adds any weight or credibility to the as yet unconfirmed reports of Russian troops surrendering as they're unhappy being sent to fight Ukranians

Mick 24-02-2022 18:21

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So Russia attacks Ukraine and the former Labour leader just came up with this beauty in HoC:

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CORBYN: "We should support the immediate and unconditional recognition of the State of Palestine."


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BREAKING: Civil Aviation Authority has suspended Russian Aeroflot's UK licence

Maggy 24-02-2022 19:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114543)
So Russia attacks Ukraine and the former Labour leader just came up with this beauty in HoC:



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BREAKING: Civil Aviation Authority has suspended Russian Aeroflot's UK licence

Actually JC spoke out about the Russian invasion 6 hrs ago on FB.

Paul 24-02-2022 19:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36114514)
Good thread on why Farage's poking-the-bear analogy is wrong.
https://threadreaderapp.com/user/DmitryOpines

Would have been quicker to just say hes an idiot and left it at that, the mans a complete fool.

Mick 24-02-2022 19:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36114547)
Actually JC spoke out about the Russian invasion 6 hrs ago on FB.

I cannot believe you’re defending that idiot. So what if he spoke 6 hours ago. He raised the Palestinian issue in a session for Ukraine. Totally inappropriate. Thankfully we dodged a bullet, he could have been our PM.

Sirius 24-02-2022 19:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114553)
I cannot believe you’re defending that idiot. So what if he spoke 6 hours ago. He raised the Palestinian issue in a session for Ukraine. Totally inappropriate. Thankfully we dodged a bullet, he could have been our PM.

He raised Palestinian because he is a complete fool. He would be the first against the wall if i come to power and Mick you are indeed correct can you imagine what this country would have been like under that IRA supporting traitor

GrimUpNorth 24-02-2022 20:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114537)
Large demonstrations have occurred in St Petersburg, Russia - despite warnings it’s government will crack down heavy on any anti-war protesters.

1700 arrests according to OVD info (in Russian but Google translate is your friend).

If 1700 arrested i wonder how many were on the protests.

Blackshep 24-02-2022 20:53

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The protest's are not just happening in St Petersburg it is much wider invoking "Nazism" has completely backfired on Putin and there are serious rumblings within the Russian military. I doubt it's about Ukraine but what the next Putin target will be that's if Putin can control the various internal aspect's stacking against him. There is a tremendous amount of intelligence and information coming in more then anyone can process speedily but it's clear that Russia is very far from united on this.

Jaymoss 24-02-2022 21:14

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According to Martin Lewis due to this gas prices have increased 40% today alone. Lets hope this is all short lived mainly to keep down the loss of lives but also not to punish me in the pocket

Blackshep 24-02-2022 21:17

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The duration of this is unclear at the minute but I'd bet it will continue for at least weeks.

Hugh 24-02-2022 22:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackshep (Post 36114567)
The protest's are not just happening in St Petersburg it is much wider invoking "Nazism" has completely backfired on Putin and there are serious rumblings within the Russian military. I doubt it's about Ukraine but what the next Putin target will be that's if Putin can control the various internal aspect's stacking against him. There is a tremendous amount of intelligence and information coming in more then anyone can process speedily but it's clear that Russia is very far from united on this.

Considering the Ukraine President is Jewish, this is particularly tone-deaf…

BenMcr 24-02-2022 22:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36114590)
Considering the Ukraine President is Jewish, this is particularly tone-deaf…

There is also some irony in that the main reason the Azov Battalion exists in the first place, which is partly what Putin will be referring to, is the 2014 conflict.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Hugh 24-02-2022 22:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36114558)
1700 arrests according to OVD info (in Russian but Google translate is your friend).

If 1700 arrested i wonder how many were on the protests.

This reminds me of the old Russian joke "A small group of dozens of counter-revolutionary protesters turned up to a demonstration today in Red Square - over a thousand people were arrested".

Blackshep 24-02-2022 22:55

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This may end up doing everyone else and the Russian people a favour the damage to Putin is escalating and there is a real chance this may bring him down especially if the conflict drags on and Russian casualties keep rising.

Damien 24-02-2022 23:08

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Morale is apparently low amongst Russian troops. Hopefully, this whole thing just costs Russia and Putin so much it also weakens his position.

Mick 24-02-2022 23:20

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LATEST: Ukraine President Zelenskiy goes on tv to say he’s staying in Kyiv. Remarkable show of defiance.

RichardCoulter 25-02-2022 00:33

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The #Anonymous collective has taken down the website of the #Russian propaganda station RT News
https://twitter.com/youranonone/stat...995638272?s=21[

Seems to be back up now though.

Mick 25-02-2022 02:34

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Reports of large explosions in Kyiv, Russian bombers spotted over the skys there.

Mick 25-02-2022 10:26

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BREAKING: Paris to replace St. Petersburg as Champions League final host, person with knowledge of the decision says as Russia's invasion of Ukraine bears punitive measures in the sporting world. Source: Associated Press

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Other key bits of information:-
  • Russia Bans UK planes in retaliation to us banning theirs, face bothered, am I bovvered though.
  • Russia is failing in its major objectives UK intelligence suggests.
  • 650 Russian troops have perished.
  • Intelligence also exists that Russia intends to kill President Zelensky.


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My goodness, I’m actually in agreement with what Donald Tusk (Former President of European Council) has had to say about those EU nations which blocked a decision to kick Russia out of SWIFT payment system.

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In this war everything is real: Putin’s madness and cruelty, Ukrainian victims, bombs falling on Kyiv. Only your sanctions are pretended. Those EU government’s, which blocked tough decisions (i.a. Germany, Hungary, Italy) have disgraced themselves.

Sephiroth 25-02-2022 10:30

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Maybe this will cause the EU to implode.

ianch99 25-02-2022 10:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114644)
My goodness, I’m actually in agreement with what Donald Tusk (Former President of European Council) has had to say about those EU nations which blocked a decision to kick Russia out of SWIFT payment system.

Totally agree

Mick 25-02-2022 11:15

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Just Now - Russian foreign minister Lavrov: Russia intends to free Ukraine from oppression. Kremlin will retaliate against western restrictions (sanctions) which they haven’t yet analysed.

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Ukrainian citizens rescue a senior citizen from a car that had been deliberately driven over and crushed by a Russian tank.

TimeLord2018 25-02-2022 12:31

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Russian Grand Prix Cancelled
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60523049

Pierre 25-02-2022 12:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36114625)


The #Anonymous collective has taken down the website of the #Russian propaganda station RT News

https://twitter.com/youranonone/stat...995638272?s=21[

Seems to be back up now though.

I hope no one takes down the UK propaganda stations BBC, CH4 & Sky News.........

Mick 25-02-2022 12:54

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Russian people put Shame on their disgraceful leader:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1645793504

1andrew1 25-02-2022 14:36

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Good to see firm action being taken here.

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11 Labour MPs face suspension for signing Stop The War letter attacking NATO

Labour MPs who signed a letter slamming NATO and accusing the UK of "sabre rattling" over Ukraine face suspension unless they immediately withdraw support for it, the Mirror understands.

Some 11 Labour MPs signed the open letter by the Stop The War Coalition, which questions NATO's legitimacy and accuses the defensive alliance of "eastward expansion".

It also accuses the UK Government of having "no proposals for a diplomatic solution to the crisis" and says "Britain needs to change its policy, and start working for peace, not confrontation".

It comes as Russian troops advance towards Ukraine's capital of Kiev and news came that Moscow forces had taken the former nuclear plant of Chernobyl.

A Labour source told the Mirror: “You can be a mouthpiece for the Kremlin or a Labour MP. But not both.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=entnewsntp

TheDaddy 25-02-2022 14:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36114674)
Good to see firm action being taken here.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=entnewsntp

The letter was signed before hostilities started and they've already withdrawn their signatures, other than that though, completely up to date article

1andrew1 25-02-2022 14:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36114676)
The letter was signed before hostilities started and they've already withdrawn their signatures, other than that though, completely up to date article

That will teach me! Thanks.

Mick 25-02-2022 15:16

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Russia reportedly threatens Sweden & Finalnd with "military and political consequences" if they join NATO.

Surely that will make them want to join it more….

jonbxx 25-02-2022 15:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36114676)
The letter was signed before hostilities started and they've already withdrawn their signatures, other than that though, completely up to date article

It will be interesting if any other people who went out to bat for Putin, blaming NATO for the hostilities will withdraw their positions....

1andrew1 25-02-2022 15:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114680)
Russia reportedly threatens Sweden & Finalnd with "military and political consequences" if they join NATO.

Surely that will make them want to join it more….

If they're clever, they'll do it now whilst Russia is tied up with Ukraine. Although as Sweden has no border with Russia, I'm sure it feels a bit safer than Finland.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36114681)
It will be interesting if any other people who went out to bat for Putin, blaming NATO for the hostilities will withdraw their positions....

Indeed.

Mick 25-02-2022 16:38

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Ukraine Defence Minister claims Russia has now lost 2,800 military personnel.

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No biggy….But Russia has been expelled from this years Eurovision Song Contest.

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Russia partly blocks access to Facebook after the platform censors Russian media.

Chris 25-02-2022 16:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114685)
Ukraine Defence Minister claims Russia has now lost 2,800 military personnel.

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No biggy….But Russia has been expelled from this years Eurovision Song Contest.

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Russia partly blocks access to Facebook after the platform censors Russian media.

The symbolism of things like Eurovision is important. It’s all very well organisations like the EBU claiming to be apolitical (as they tried to yesterday) but the reality is there would have been absolute scenes in the auditorium had a Russian competitor appeared in Turin this year.

Mick 25-02-2022 17:19

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Ukraine Deputy Defence Minister claims they have destroyed 80 Russian Tanks, 10 Fighter planes, 7 Helicopters and 516 armoured vehicles since start of yesterday’s early hours invasion.

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BREAKING: Latvia’s Foreign Minister says EU has approved asset freeze of President Vladimir Putin and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

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Calls are growing on FIFA to kick Russia out of this years World Cup.

Julian 25-02-2022 17:47

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NATO has Officially Activated it’s High Readiness Task Force which includes 45,000+ NATO Troops from all Alliance Countries, the Force was currently on one week alert status and will reportedly be deployed into the Baltic States, Romania and Poland over the coming days.

Mick 25-02-2022 18:27

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Prime Minister Boris Johnson had this evening told NATO leaders he is adding further sanctions directly on President Putin and Foreign Minister Lavrov.

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LATEST from NATO* countries to provide air defence systems to Ukraine and more weapons — Stoltenberg

*Except Germany.

Germany has been a big disappointment in all of this.

Chris 25-02-2022 18:28

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Germany could probably do more but given its history you can understand their reluctance to get too involved in a European war.

Sephiroth 25-02-2022 18:34

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36114704)
Germany could probably do more but given its history you can understand their reluctance to get too involved in a European war.

Then they shouldn't be NATO members if they can't pull their weight.

Hugh 25-02-2022 18:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36114701)
Quote:

NATO has Officially Activated it’s High Readiness Task Force which includes 45,000+ NATO Troops from all Alliance Countries, the Force was currently on one week alert status and will reportedly be deployed into the Baltic States, Romania and Poland over the coming days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share

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Thousands of troops deployed to eastern Europe - Stoltenberg

Jens Stoltenberg is addressing how many Nato troops have been deployed to eastern Europe.

"We are deploying the Nato response force for the first time in a collective defence context. We speak about thousands of troops. We speak about air and maritime capabilities," he tells reporters.

"Several allies have already assigned troops and forces to the Nato response force," he adds.

"We have the high readiness force, the Nato response force, and that is why we are deploying it. To prevent any misunderstanding that we are not prepared to protect all allies," Stoltenberg says.

He adds that Europe is focussing on strengthening its cyber defence.

Nato response force deployed - Stoltenberg

Nato's Stoltenberg tells reporters that Nato has deployed elements of its rapid response force on land, sea and in the air to eastern Europe.

He says that the security bloc has "already strengthened our defence" and that the US, Canada and European countries have already deployed thousands of troops to the region.

More than 100 fighter jets are now operating in 30 defence locations in Europe, accompanied by more than 120 ships and three strike carrier groups, Stoltenberg says.

He emphasises that the forces will defend "every inch of Nato territory" and adds that it will continue to offer support to Ukraine, as well as other nations in the region threatened by Russia - including Georgia, Moldova and Bosnia.

It's important to note that Nato has already been very clear it won't send troops to Ukraine, which is not a member of the alliance.

Mick 25-02-2022 19:10

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As colossal as Russia military might is, as we know, they are 3rds biggest super power. They have suffered a bit of a bruising in Ukraine. Some expert analysis and commentators have said Putin could lose patience, become enraged and unleash a smaller sized Nuke on Ukraine.

Damien 25-02-2022 20:12

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Hopefully, this just costs him dearly. If Ukraine refuse to surrender and their occupation is constantly seeing insurgent attacks it'll have a big impact on them.

Chris 25-02-2022 20:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36114720)
Hopefully, this just costs him dearly. If Ukraine refuse to surrender and their occupation is constantly seeing insurgent attacks it'll have a big impact on them.

He’s lost all grip on reality - Ukraine isn’t South Ossetia or Chechnya. It’s a large European country with a massive border to the West and unlimited resources will flow across it in support of any insurgency. Every secret security service in NATO will have its oar in. Already, the Ukrainian government has just flooded Kiev with tens of 1,000s of AKs, ostensibly to prevent the Russian advance on the city but I suspect with one eye on making life difficult for them should they take it.

Putin may intend to set up two breakaway states in the east and install a friendly government in Kiev, but if he was hoping to turn the army so they support that government I think he’s miscalculated badly, especially if the absolute legends of Snake Island are in any way typical of the general sentiment amongst Ukrainian soldiers.

If he wants to keep Kiev facing east he is going to have to commit to an Afghanistan-style occupation that will rumble on for years, cost a fortune, kill a lot of people and yet will ultimately achieve nothing.

papa smurf 25-02-2022 21:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114708)
As colossal as Russia military might is, as we know, they are 3rds biggest super power. They have suffered a bit of a bruising in Ukraine. Some expert analysis and commentators have said Putin could lose patience, become enraged and unleash a smaller sized Nuke on Ukraine.

He must realise that there are hundreds of nuclear missiles aimed at Russia after his threats the other day, launching a nuke how ever small will probably trigger an instant response and then the shit hits the fan.

Mick 25-02-2022 21:26

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Huge rally in Georgia – invaded by Russia in 2008 – in solidarity with Ukraine tonight. Putin massively over played his hand here.

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Russian private jets included in UK Airspace ban effective immediately.

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Reuters is reporting just now that Ukraine and Russia are discussing a place and time for talks, citing Zelensky’s spokesman.

GrimUpNorth 25-02-2022 21:59

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Don't know if it's connected but British Airways website is currently down.

Mick 25-02-2022 22:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36114740)
Don't know if it's connected but British Airways website is currently down.

They’re saying it’s not a cyber attack. However, reports that the Nvidia has potentially suffered such attack.

Meanwhile: Interesting analysis here by Dr Mike Martin, @ThreshedThought - War Author:

Quote:

There seem to be quite a lot of reports that Russia is not getting as far ahead as it would have hoped in its invasion.

If you look at the soviet deep strike doctrine, this this attack appears to be based on, it is about fast moving columns advancing on different axes in order to QUICKLY encircle enemy forces. It’s about deep fires, and about having multiple echelons of troops

… so that successive waves can move forward and exploit any axes of advance that look promising.

The key to this is moving fast. And keeping your logistics protected - your armour is going to be out on a limb.

But it seems that the Russians are a bit surprised that the Ukrainians have fought back. And fought back well.

The Russians are taking casualties, which it seems they weren’t expecting. The Russian ministry of health had just effectively mobilised civilian doctors in Russia. One assumes to deal with the level of casualties being sustained.

This makes sense in the following way. Putin basically assumed that the Ukrainians would collapse so all they would have to do is a thunder run to Kyiv. Don’t worry about the logistics - we’ll sort that out once we’ve toppled their government.

But if you’re the Ukrainians and you know that the Russians are gonna use some variant of deep strike doctrine what do you do?

You let the armoured columns pass and then destroy the log tail using stay behind parties armed with anti tank weapons, or using helicopters, whilst keeping them out of the cities (Incredibly stupid by the way that the Russians didn’t wipe out the Ukrainian Air Force before they started - a real sign of their hubris)

So I would guess that a lot of the Russian casualties are the logistic elements that are following up. So far the Russians seem to have committed about 50k forces or a third of what they have. So maybe there are more echelons coming, and maybe the Russians will still overwhelm Kyiv. Or maybe they won’t. It seems in the balance.

And the longer the Ukrainians can hold on, the less the Russians will be able to continue.

Amateurs talk tactics and professionals talk logistics.

It’s also really unclear what putin’s political objectives are for this war. And as the west learnt over the last two decades, deploying military force without clearly understanding the political aims is stupid and leads to failure.

Chris 25-02-2022 22:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114746)
They’re saying it’s not a cyber attack. However, reports that the Nvidia has potentially suffered such attack.

Meanwhile: Interesting analysis here by Dr Mike Martin, @ThreshedThought - War Author:

Interesting stufff … do you have a link for this source? I’d like to keep up with what he’s saying.

Mick 25-02-2022 23:02

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Twitter handle is : http://www.Twitter.com/threshedthought above Thread is on his Twitter page.

Website: https://www.threshedthought.com/

Chris 25-02-2022 23:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114750)
Twitter handle is : http://www.Twitter.com/threshedthought above Thread is on his Twitter page.

Website: https://www.threshedthought.com/

Muchas gracias :tu:

Mick 25-02-2022 23:54

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From Kyiv Independent: Ukraine’s air defense downs a Russian transporter carrying paratroopers near Kyiv. A Russian Ilyushin Il-76 plane was shot down close to the city of Vasylkiv south of Kyiv, according to Ukraine’s top general Valeriy Zaluzhniy.

The aircraft could carry up to 150 troops.

Mick 26-02-2022 03:08

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Feb 26 (Reuters) - Russian troops during an assault tonight, attacked an army base in the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv but the assault was repelled, the Ukrainian military said in a Facebook posting early on Saturday.

Ukraine Independent is claiming Ukraine Air Defence has shot down another paratrooper plane.

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Incredibly-Russia is reportedly asking its allies for assistance with its invasion of Ukraine. - DEFCONWarningSystem.

TheDaddy 26-02-2022 05:36

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America has offered to evacuate Zelensky, he refused the offer saying "he needed ammunition not a ride and when we're attacked you see our faces not our backs", the man is an inspiration, bet Vlads not laughing at the comedian now.

Some of the stories coming out about self sacrifice are as inspirational as they are tragic, like the lad who blew the bridge up before the Russians could cross, there was no time to do it remotely so he did it manually on the bridge :(

RichardCoulter 26-02-2022 07:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36114760)
America has offered to evacuate Zelensky, he refused the offer saying "he needed ammunition not a ride and when we're attacked you see our faces not our backs", the man is an inspiration, bet Vlads not laughing at the comedian now.

Some of the stories coming out about self sacrifice are as inspirational as they are tragic, like the lad who blew the bridge up before the Russians could cross, there was no time to do it remotely so he did it manually on the bridge :(

Just been reading about that; total and utter self sacrifice in order to try and save his country from tyrannical rule. It brought a tear to my eye.

ianch99 26-02-2022 08:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36114760)
America has offered to evacuate Zelensky, he refused the offer saying "he needed ammunition not a ride and when we're attacked you see our faces not our backs", the man is an inspiration, bet Vlads not laughing at the comedian now.

Some of the stories coming out about self sacrifice are as inspirational as they are tragic, like the lad who blew the bridge up before the Russians could cross, there was no time to do it remotely so he did it manually on the bridge :(

Not to forget Snake Island, the absolute definition of heroes:

Ukraine soldiers told Russian officer ‘go f**k yourself’ before they died on island

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“This is a military warship. This is a Russian military warship. I suggest you lay down your weapons and surrender to avoid bloodshed and needless casualties. Otherwise, you will be bombed,” the Russian office was recorded as saying on a naval radio channel.

After a short period of silence in the recording, a Ukrainian officer reportedly responded: “Russian warship, go f**k yourself.”

All 13 soldiers died after refusing to surrender, Ukrainian officials announced.

Mick 26-02-2022 09:45

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My take on Putin and the whole Ukraine thing, is as follows:

Putin’s mindset is stuck in pre- 1991/1992, USSR era when Soviet was one whole block. He doesn’t see Ukraine as a legitimate country, never has. He’s grossly miscalculated here, showed more of his hand, than he has liked. He’s lived too long, he’s constantly surrounded by people, who fear him. So last year when, U.S and the west abandoned Afghanistan and the relatively easy takeover the Taliban achieved, this had clearly galvanised him to take Ukraine.

Putin’s clearly lost touch with ordinary Russians though, he is however capable of manipulation, through fear and State run Media. But the Russian youth has access to an open cyberspace, he doesn’t control. So they’re seeing in full context, their country bomb schools, kill innocent civilians and their dead bodies laying in the streets.

So Putin in 2022, is looking at Ukraine from a Soviet 1992 perspective. But today's Russia is not the same Soviet Union, he once knew. He has clearly calculated that he rolls in to Kyiv, topple the Ukraine government, kill President Zelenskyy, because he can’t control him, he’s new and has no baggage for leverage and illegally install his own Putin-puppet government. He’s misread the room, he thought Ukrainians would lay down their arms and accept any government of his bidding.

But this Ukraine is different. The Ukrainian people are seeing there is something worth fighting for, sure Russia is the bigger boy, but they’re seeing their leader stay and fight, Russia’s propaganda machine claimed he’d fled, however, up popped a video, him saying, he’s still there, fighting. In the early hours, the U.S feared Russia would capture him and kill him and wanted to secure a rescue attempt, but he’s refused, instead demanding more ammunition. Magnificent valour. Totally inspirational.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36114764)
Not to forget Snake Island, the absolute definition of heroes:

Ukraine soldiers told Russian officer ‘go f**k yourself’ before they died on island

This again, would have rallied around Ukrainian troops. Zelenskyy had promised true hero recognition for their bravery.

Jaymoss 26-02-2022 10:37

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Of course we do have to realise a lot of what we are being told could well be propaganda. I am taking it all with a pinch of salt

Pierre 26-02-2022 10:38

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114708)
unleash a smaller sized Nuke on Ukraine.

He’s not that stupid.

Mick 26-02-2022 10:47

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1 Attachment(s)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1645872355

Hugh 26-02-2022 10:53

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I thought this Ukrainian put it very well…

Quote:

So, Putin, expected Afghanistan 2021. But he got Afghanistan 1979. Ukrainians aren't rolling over or welcoming back an old friend. They are digging in for war. And that's an ugly scenario indeed.
https://twitter.com/zoyashef/status/...529589250?s=21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36114768)
Of course we do have to realise a lot of what we are being told could well be propaganda. I am taking it all with a pinch of salt

In what way?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36114769)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick View Post
unleash a smaller sized Nuke on Ukraine
He’s not that stupid.

More likely to be thermobaric missiles.

Sephiroth 26-02-2022 10:58

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Or a small nuke on Chernobyl out of spite.

Hugh 26-02-2022 11:12

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36114777)
Or a small nuke on Chernobyl out of spite.

Unlikely, since they’ve already captured it,

Maggy 26-02-2022 11:18

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Be aware that there’s a lot of fake news and sources littering social media. I suggest you all choose media/sources that are proven to be truthful.

Carth 26-02-2022 11:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36114781)
Be aware that there’s a lot of fake news and sources littering social media. I suggest you all choose media/sources that are proven to be truthful.

spot on Maggy, lots of fake stuff flying around :tu:

Jaymoss 26-02-2022 12:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36114774)


In what way?

.

Was that a serious question?

We are seeing a lot of reports from Ukrainians saying they have killed these shot down that could easily be exaggerated. The video also of the island that could easily be doctored.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36114781)
Be aware that there’s a lot of fake news and sources littering social media. I suggest you all choose media/sources that are proven to be truthful.


exactly.

The island video I was thinking if I had a capture of a ship passing an island it would be incredibly easy to add audio to it

Mick 26-02-2022 12:26

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No that actually happened. Ukrainian President has acknowledged its authenticity, so it actually happened.

Mick 26-02-2022 12:28

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1 Attachment(s)
UK Support and Russian sanctions list.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1645878423

Jaymoss 26-02-2022 12:37

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114788)
No that actually happened. Ukrainian President has acknowledged its authenticity, so it actually happened.

I believe there is a good chance it did but just because the leader of a country that is being attacked says it did still could easily be propaganda.

It is not a stretch to think is could be faked to raise morale and increase support

On the offside of that it was a pointless loss of life.

Mick 26-02-2022 12:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36114791)

On the offside of that it was a pointless loss of life.

Which is the fundamental tragedy of any war.

BREAKING: Poland's PM says that Hungary's Viktor Orban has agreed to ban Russia from SWIFT. - Spectator.

Just Italy and Germany still blocking the heaviest, ultimate sanction.

Sephiroth 26-02-2022 12:59

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114790)
UK Support and Russian sanctions list.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1645878423

looks like an worthless election manifesto. Meanwhile the Russian ogre is murdering Ukranians at will. Has the ammo etc at the border reached the Ukranian army?

Mick 26-02-2022 13:05

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“Russian restricting Twitter and Facebook, an admission it is dawning on them they are losing the information war.” - Catherine Philp - The Times, Diplomatic Correspondent.

Jaymoss 26-02-2022 13:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114792)
Which is the fundamental tragedy of any war.

BREAKING: Poland's PM says that Hungary's Viktor Orban has agreed to ban Russia from SWIFT. - Spectator.

Just Italy and Germany still blocking the heaviest, ultimate sanction.

can they not just do it without them? Bureaucracy everywhere

Hugh 26-02-2022 13:23

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36114784)
Was that a serious question?

We are seeing a lot of reports from Ukrainians saying they have killed these shot down that could easily be exaggerated. The video also of the island that could easily be doctored.

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exactly.

The island video I was thinking if I had a capture of a ship passing an island it would be incredibly easy to add audio to it

Snake Island: Ukraine says soldiers killed after refusing to surrender

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60522454

Quote:

The official Russian account of the incident differs dramatically. Moscow said the 82 Ukrainian soldiers on the island surrendered it to them voluntarily and made no mention of carrying out strikes or inflicting casualties.
The Russians could easily prove the Ukrainians were alive by showing the "82 prisoners" - they haven’t done so.

Mmmm - who to trust more; the illegal invaders who have a history of lying and wouldn’t know the truth if it came to their front door wearing a name-badge with "TRUTH" on it, or the people whose country is under attack from the Russians?

The Ukrainian Government is encouraging independent reporting from Western media, whilst Russia is arresting anti-war protestors and blocking social media.

I’m pretty sure we didn’t have "both sides might be lying" when Poland was invaded in 1939…

Mick 26-02-2022 13:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36114793)
looks like an worthless election manifesto. Meanwhile the Russian ogre is murdering Ukranians at will. Has the ammo etc at the border reached the Ukranian army?

Yes. Nothing worthless about it, actually.

Where have you been?

It’s been announced for weeks the UK has been supplying military equipment and supplies, there is even our own personnel there training them on its use.

Also- The Ukrainians are kicking Russia’s butt here, sure there have been many casualties, civilian ones too, but I’m seeing from people on the ground there, not random folk on social media, but following Kyiv journalists, Ukrainian citizens. Ukraine is putting up a lot of resistance and they even acknowledged the other day, the weapons we supplied them, have helped to destroy Russian hardware.

Hugh 26-02-2022 13:32

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Cyprus and Hungary have stated that they will not block Russia's disconnection from SWIFT

https://kyivindependent.com/uncatego...sia-off-swift/

Also, Ukrainian President just tweeted this.

https://twitter.com/zelenskyyua/stat...897774598?s=21

Quote:

I thank my friend Mr. President of ���� @RTErdogan and the people of ���� for their strong support. The ban on the passage of ���� warships to the Black Sea and significant military and humanitarian support for ���� are extremely important today. The people of ���� will never forget that!

Mick 26-02-2022 13:51

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Home Secretary Priti Patel:

Quote:

I have cancelled the visas of the Belarusian Men’s Basketball Team who were due to play in Newcastle tomorrow night.

The UK will not welcome the national sports teams of those countries who are complicit in Putin’s unprovoked and illegal invasion of #Ukraine.

Hugh 26-02-2022 13:56

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From the Ukrainian Defence Minister on FB

Quote:

Dear Ukrainians!

Over 55 hours of resistance. Our defenders and defenders have completely destroyed the plans of the enemy.

As of this morning, the number of destroyed Russian occupiers has exceeded 3000 people.
More than 200 interventions were imprisoned. The number of prisoners is increasing. They didn't expect such a cut off and they give up on themselves.

Hundreds of units of armored technicians have been destroyed, in particular - over a hundred Russian tanks. Yesterday, 7 helicopters were shot down by Stingerami.

The enemy is trying to change tactics. Russian troops fire residential quarters, hospitals, educational institutions.

As the rapid attack of large columns zhalinuvsâ, the DRG and paratroopers began to be more active. Our army and terror defense are effectively destroying them. But the defense forces need help to act on prejudice.

Appealing to all of you.

In Kiev, Kharkiv, other cities act koriguvalniki*, who can set fire to your homes or proclave the way to Russian troops. They are the eyes of the enemy.

If you see suspicious persons setting up beacons, tagging, unable to clearly explain the purpose of their stay in a certain place, detain them on their own, or inform the police. Delays can become a source of useful information.

I address separately to those who consciously cooperate with Russian occupants or may be deceived by promises to "make money".

In two days, Russian inhumans killed almost two hundred civilians, three of them children. 33 more children were injured.

Under such circumstances, you just may not be able to find or hold you alive. Refuse criminal intentions before it's too late.

A special request for the residents of Ukrainian villages and small towns, as well as everyone who will have a relevant reason.

If a column of Russian armored technology passed you, after a while there will be a fuel column. Hold her down or burn her down. Russian tanks will just stop, our troops will seize them and use them against the enemy.

Ukraine will win anyway!
Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the Army of Ukraine!
*diversionary forces/saboteurs

Jaymoss 26-02-2022 14:08

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36114796)
Snake Island: Ukraine says soldiers killed after refusing to surrender

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60522454



The Russians could easily prove the Ukrainians were alive by showing the "82 prisoners" - they haven’t done so.

Mmmm - who to trust more; the illegal invaders who have a history of lying and wouldn’t know the truth if it came to their front door wearing a name-badge with "TRUTH" on it, or the people whose country is under attack from the Russians?

The Ukrainian Government is encouraging independent reporting from Western media, whilst Russia is arresting anti-war protestors and blocking social media.

I’m pretty sure we didn’t have "both sides might be lying" when Poland was invaded in 1939…

I get all that but I am not going to just blanket believe everything that comes out of the Ukraine I will remain sceptical of everything other than the fact Russia is invading a sovereign country and everything needs to be done to stop them short of WWIII

Sephiroth 26-02-2022 14:25

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36114804)
I get all that but I am not going to just blanket believe everything that comes out of the Ukraine I will remain sceptical of everything other than the fact Russia is invading a sovereign country and everything needs to be done to stop them short of WWIII

the tragedy is that nothing can stop Russia. Not even WW3.

Paul 26-02-2022 14:29

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114708)
Putin could lose patience, become enraged and unleash a smaller sized Nuke on Ukraine.

Not while his own troops are there.
His generals may be following his orders atm, but they are not likely to stand for mass murder of their own men.

He'd also probably lose the support of some countries backing him atm.
China are a friend of Ukraine as well as Russia, so using nukes isnt likely to go down well, even with them.
(They are not exactly backing him now, rather treading a kind of neutral line).

Mick 26-02-2022 14:32

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Just seen this….

Quote:

Putin wondering if he can join NATO at this point to protect him from Ukraine.
&

Quote:

NATO applies to join Ukraine.
:D

Hugh 26-02-2022 14:54

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36114804)
I get all that but I am not going to just blanket believe everything that comes out of the Ukraine I will remain sceptical of everything other than the fact Russia is invading a sovereign country and everything needs to be done to stop them short of WWIII

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36110870)
Pedant mode. Ukraine not the Ukraine. ;)

;)

"Sceptical" is fine, but "common sense" is better - re Snake Island, Russia’s story is easily provable (by showing the 82 prisoners); the fact they haven’t done this lends credence to the Ukrainian version…

Mick 26-02-2022 15:42

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
U.S Defence Official: Russia has fired 250 missiles at Ukrainian targets, mostly at short range.

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Official Website of the Kremlin is down: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...source=twitter

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BREAKING: State Telecommunications Service: Kremlin website down.

Ukraine’s telecoms agency also announced that the Russian media regulator’s site was down and that Russian TV channels had been hacked to broadcast Ukrainian songs. Source: Kyiv Independent.

Hugh 26-02-2022 15:51

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1 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36114774)
I thought this Ukrainian put it very well…



https://twitter.com/zoyashef/status/...529589250?s=21

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In what way?

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More likely to be thermobaric missiles.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1645890535

Bugger! These things are very nasty…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2023880.html

Quote:

Thermobaric weapons are considered to be one of the most brutal war weapons that exist.

The missiles are filled with a highly explosive fuel and chemical mix, which, on exploding can cause supersonic blast waves that can obliterate everything in its path, including buildings and humans. They are also known as aerosol bombs or vacuum bombs.

Mick 26-02-2022 16:20

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NEW: U.S is eyeing sanctions on Russia’s central bank, I'm told, a move that would target much of the $643b reserves Putin has amassed

A final decision hasn’t been made but admin aims to make each move in conjunction with allies across Europe for maximum impact. - Senior Washington Correspondent, Saleha Mohsin.

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Germany finally buckles after coming under increasing pressure to supply military supplies to Ukraine. Rare move for them. But welcome. https://www.politico.eu/article/ukra...arms-supplies/

Mick 26-02-2022 16:32

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Latest UK Intel:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1645893091

Mick 26-02-2022 17:32

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Ukrzaliznytsia: All rail links to Russia destroyed.

The state rail service announced that all railway tracks from Russia to Ukraine have been blown up by Ukraine’s armed forces. - Kyiv Independent.

ALSO:

Ukrainian military has destroyed Russian Su-30 fighter aircraft in the Black Sea.

Ukraine’s Air Force reported the downing, writing “welcome to hell.” - Kyiv Independent.

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BREAKING: Labour Leader, Sir Keir Starmer, has called on the expulsion of Russian Ambassador to the UK.

Sephiroth 26-02-2022 17:40

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114825)
Ukrzaliznytsia: All rail links to Russia destroyed.

The state rail service announced that all railway tracks from Russia to Ukraine have been blown up by Ukraine’s armed forces. - Kyiv Independent.

ALSO:

Ukrainian military has destroyed Russian Su-30 fighter aircraft in the Black Sea.

Ukraine’s Air Force reported the downing, writing “welcome to hell.” - Kyiv Independent.

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BREAKING: Labour Leader, Sir Keir Starmer, has called on the expulsion of Russian Ambassador to the UK.


Most unwise. Johnson will have the chance to ridicule Starmer on this one.
Keeping channels open is better than giving them an excuse to chuck out our diplomatic team in Moscow.

Hugh 26-02-2022 17:43

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114825)
Ukrzaliznytsia: All rail links to Russia destroyed.

The state rail service announced that all railway tracks from Russia to Ukraine have been blown up by Ukraine’s armed forces. - Kyiv Independent.

ALSO:

Ukrainian military has destroyed Russian Su-30 fighter aircraft in the Black Sea.

Ukraine’s Air Force reported the downing, writing “welcome to hell.” - Kyiv Independent.

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BREAKING: Labour Leader, Sir Keir Starmer, has called on the expulsion of Russian Ambassador to the UK.



That’s going to bugger up resupply for the Russians…

Quote:

"Amateurs talk about strategy and tactics. Professionals talk about logistics and sustainability in warfare”
Robert Hilliard Barrow, United States Marine Corps four-star general.

Mick 26-02-2022 18:23

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The #Anonymous Hacker group collective is claiming this evening that it has intercepted Russian military communications.

https://twitter.com/YourAnonOne/stat...31016667787270

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BREAKING: Ukrainian President is claiming Russia has been cut off from SWIFT Payment system.

Quote:

@ZelenskyyUa says Ukraine has gotten Europe to agree to cut Russia off from SWIFT. "This is an important victory. It means billions & billions in losses for Russia. That's the cost of its backstabbing invasion."
(Germany reportedly supports a "targeted" partial SWIFT cutoff)
https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1497632562637795330

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114832)
BREAKING: Ukrainian President is claiming Russia has been cut off from SWIFT Payment system.



https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1497632562637795330

Reuters however say EU is nearing the decision to kick Russia out of swift so maybe Zelenskyy has already been given nod before media...

Hugh 26-02-2022 19:07

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Roman Abramovich gives trustees Chelsea stewardship

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60540278

Mick 26-02-2022 19:14

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
2 Attachment(s)
Further UK Intel Map Display of Russian attacks and Troop deployment:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1645903113

Second Thumbnail below gives bigger image.

Mick 26-02-2022 19:44

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Chris:

Interesting recent thread from Mike Martin - hope your keeping tabs...

This post is hilarious:

Quote:

But it hasn’t happened like that - the Ukrainians have fought very well, and the Russians are pretty shit. Conscripts, poorly trained, without sufficient logistics (which are utterly vital in this type of armoured blitz war).
All other posts on the same thread can be read at link below:

https://twitter.com/ThreshedThought/...12270104084483

Chris 26-02-2022 19:48

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36114840)
Chris:

Interesting recent thread from Mike Martin - hope your keeping tabs...

This post is hilarious:



All other posts on the same thread can be read at link below:

https://twitter.com/ThreshedThought/...12270104084483

Funding this thread a very useful collection of updates actually :tu:

Off to have another look at Martin now.

Mick 26-02-2022 20:37

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Recent communication from President Zelenskyy, said he's been in contact with our PM this evening:

Quote:

Had a phone conversation with
@BorisJohnson
. Grateful to the British Prime Minister for his position, new decisions to enhance the combat capabilities of the Ukrainian army. Agreed on further joint steps to counter the aggressor.


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Pentagon Press Secretary, John Kirby, last half hour:

Quote:

Russian claims that the United States was involved in any way with Ukrainian naval operations near the Zmiiny Island are false. We did not provide ISR or any other support. Chalk this up to just one more lie by the Russian Ministry of Defense.


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Russian losses in last 24 hrs of its war against Ukraine:

  • SU-30 fighter aircraft.
  • 11 helicopters.
  • 2 Su-25 aircraft.
  • 2 Il-76 air-fighters.
  • a column of equipment and fuel echelon.

Since invasion began, Russian soldier death/injury toll reaches 3,500.

According to Air Force Command of Ukraine’s Armed Forces. - Kyiv Independent.

Hugh 26-02-2022 20:45

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/l...76/ncrd1289985

Quote:

One of Russia's closest allies denies request for troops

Peter Alexander
20h ago / 12:21 AM GMT
Kazakhstan, one of Russia's closest allies and a southern neighbor, is denying a request for its troops to join the offensive in Ukraine, officials said Friday.

Additionally, the former Soviet republic said it is not recognizing the Russia-created breakaway republics upheld by Russia's president, Vladimir Putin, as a pretext for its aggression in Ukraine.

Despite ceasefire accords covering the disputed land, Putin on Monday declared Russia's recognition of Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) and the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) as independent states.

The surprising development from a traditional ally of Russia has the support of the United States.

“We welcome Kazakhstan’s announcement that they will not recognize the LPR and DPR," the National Security Council said in a statement. "We also welcome Kazakhstan’s refusal to send its forces to join Putin’s war in Ukraine."

Hom3r 26-02-2022 21:03

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
I saw a story on either BBC News or Sky News, that normal people were queuing up to get weapons and being taught how to use them.


Question is how many Russian soldiers would shoot at grannies.




In regard to fake news, when this all kicked off on Thursday the BBC even said it couldn't fully verify all the info coming in

RichardCoulter 26-02-2022 21:04

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Watching hoards of people desperately trying to board a train to flee the Ukraine on tonight's news could just as easily have been footage from WWII.

Whilst I wasn't completely with it earlier, I heard talk on Radio 4 of Putin preparing/being prepared to use a 'dirty bomb'. This has really worried me as, if he doesn't get his own way, I think he's mad enough to use one as a last resort.

Does anyone know if what I believe I heard earlier is true, or just speculation/fake news?


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