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Exactly.

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So he borrowed his own money from his own company and paid it back to himself with interest:shrug:

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FFS how many threads are on this forum alone about MPs of all colours raping the system for their owns gains.

To try and make this subject just about Tory MPs is laughable, and pretty pathetic.

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Just this one.;) Also it started with one Tory(in the title) but has grown to include others from all parties.;)

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But didn’t declare it…

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Comment… ;)

From that bastion of the left of the Conservative Party, the Daily Mail…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eap-loans.html

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Remember the rules are set and maintained by those who support the ultra wealthy paying little or no tax.

The "well, they followed the rules" trope has no merit as a rationale.

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Especially when they try to change the rules to benefit themselves further...

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To benefit MPs on all sides of the house actually. All they want to do is provide a right of appeal within the disciplinary process. It’s no big deal.

I’d have though liberal types such as your good self would applaud that as ‘the right thing to do’ in the name of justice.

Silly me.

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You’re absolutely right. But seeing as only one side has the power to govern the UK perhaps we should be focussing on them right now?

You know, just a thought.

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The right thing to do would have been to have resigned in shame saving embarrassing the Government further by getting Boris to whip them to bail him out.

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Crazy thing is if he'd just manned up at the start he'd have only got a week's suspension, all this bs about an appeals process when if he hadn't been such a dopey pawn it would have amounted to a week off :spin:

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 

Maybe that's exactly what he should have done.

However, once again, a right of appeal isn't a 'bail out'.

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TBH OB, your starting to sound like a broken record.

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:tu:

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I read that had the Government just accepted the suspension of Paterson he would already be almost halfway through that suspension. The amount of grief they brought onto themselves by trying to stop it and only to lose him entirely during the process has been a spectacular own goal.

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It’s almost as if he wasn’t the sole reason they were trying to change the process…

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we all know OB will never ever admit a tory wrong doing and never ever take of his tory rose tinted glasses

it has nothing to do with a appeal process it was them trying to change the rules when one of there mates got caught in the act to try save him no matter how much OB tries to defend the undefendable

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Maybe it will sink in, then.

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The motion wasn’t to let him off, Dave, it was….broken record warning…to give him a right of appeal.

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Must be something in the town's water supply. :D

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come off it OB you know it was and you would not even mention it if it wasn't a tory mp that got caught

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It was….broken record warning… to create a Conservative-controlled Committee which would then have carte-blanche to dismiss any allegations of corruption against other Conservatives…

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Its not an exclusive honour. :D

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I see Chope has stopped them pushing through accepting the findings at the end of the day. We now get a debate! Number 10 will be delighted with him for that.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59301710

There's the link.

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Can someone help?

When BEIS Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng said Kathryn Stone should reconsider her position, what did he mean?

As he's now written to her advising her “I did not mean to express doubt about your ability to discharge your role”

:confused:

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Getting his excuse/apology in early to avoid a claim of racism, or something equally as devastating I guess

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This was the moment for me that I knew the decision to protect the corrupt MP was coming from the top, and not simply Johnson, Mogg et al with their eye off the ball. A Cabinet Minister essentially calling for her resignation on live television is part of a communications strategy. The question could reasonably be anticipated and he delivered the agreed line.

In anything other than a banana republic he would be resigning for undermining an independent process.

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You summarise the current situation well. The path that current Tory Party has taken from the pre-Thatcher one-nation Conservatism days is shocking. On the current trajectory, the executive control, cronyism & corruption will only get worse, the erosion of standards across the board will continue and the duplicity of the PM and his Cabinet will increase.

The imminent reveal of the weapons grade cronyism of the Covid PPE VIP Lane scandal will further illuminate the sordid practices of this Government and we haven't even touched on this corruption yet:

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I agree but Starmer, even given the enormous open goal in front of him, seems incapable of finding the net. He has no charisma and poor political instincts.

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 

I’m loathed to commend Starmer - and I’m inclined to think he is playing a good strategy by accident in that “doing nothing” is an unusual strategy - however in this case letting the Tories cannibalise each other over the right to represent corporate interests over their constituents might actually just work. It avoids the classic trope of being accused of “playing politics”. So long as the “VIP fast lane” is dominating the news and everyone bar the Telegraph is gunning for Johnson sitting back with your feet up might actually achieve more.

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 

charisma is not everything rather have a none charismatic good PM than the totally usless corrupt charismatic PM Johnson is

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here one for OB here is Teressa May telling it exactly like it was on vote to get Patterson off the hook

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/s...08102248632327

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Ha ha! Theresa is no fan of Boris, is she? :D

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she not the only tory that knows what happened and know it was wrong but she was very correct what she said but keep defending the undefencable

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:tu:

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here you go OB even your hero now admitted he was wrong are you still gonna claim it was about right to appeal and not to get him off the hook you can stop the fantasy about appeal now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEbbHUdX...pg&name=medium

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Que?

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I suggest that you read Leadsom’s proposed amendment before digging yourself a deeper hole, Dave.

The amendment stated that the disciplinary action should be stayed until a right of appeal was established.

That was rejected by the House and so it was withdrawn.

Out of that come all this drama. The easiest and quickest way out of this is to apologise, so apology given.

I have no problem with that. But Starmer is a damp squib.

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Just to show how bad it is for the Tories in the midst of this Corruption storm, here's a post from Isabel Oakeshott, yes that Isabel Oakeshott!

https://twitter.com/IsabelOakeshott/...15952968110081

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The vultures are truly circling.

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I think I must have slipped into a parallel universe when I can agree with something she says :shocked:

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I totally agree, well put!

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You say that like the name should mean something - I have no idea who she is. :confused:

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this is her best friends with Nigel Farage she right wing journalist

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/11/3.jpg

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best friends with nigel farage and a right wing journalist she must be the enemy

or a complete nobody

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Complete nobody. Like Paul, I have no idea nor care who she is.

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Only a blinkered fool would consider this conservative government anything other then a completely embarrassing disaster. The problem is there is no credible alternative across the board we have below average representative's, I honestly cannot remember a time where we were so short of decent political ability. As if that wasn't depressing enough it's not just the UK it's the entire western world we've become a self indulgent pampered group incapable of dealing with rising threats.

The next election here will only provide the electorate with the choice of choosing what they think will be the least damaging government as none of them appear able enough to resolve running a bath much less anything else.

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IMO the ever rising 'political correctness' stuff and all it's associated baggage has turned politics (and sport, music, films TV etc) into a bland tasteless and unappetizing gruel, slowly stirred over a bed of still warm ashes. Nobody dare add anything different to the pot in case it causes a flurry of protests, investigations and ruined reputations.
Corruption at the top is in a different pot though, and has been dipped into for centuries . . . in fact I'd say it's one of the perks people expect when they reach the dizzy heights ;)

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The progressive socialist liberal movement is just destroying everything and isn't replacing it with anything practicable and it's being driven by a very loud minority while millions are ignored and forgotten. I've already had a few run ins with a few of them telling me what I should be blah blah blah if it continues at some point there is going to be backlash.

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Paul Dacre isn’t going to apply for his second chance at the OFCOM chair. Perhaps a sign that the Government are conscious of the optics against a backdrop of corruption, and undermining independent processes, that he’d no longer get the nod.

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I see the pompously named 1922 Committee have been whimpering to bozo that it isn't fair they get accused of sleeze and corruption and want to take their accusers to court, only trouble is despite being in the top 4% of highest paid jobs (not including expenses) they don't want to pay for it, they want us to pay for it, I'm sure someone will be along to say what a great idea this is and how fair it is but it isn't fair as the people who are paying for it have no recourse for legal aid in matters of employment tribunal and apparently bozo was very sympathetic to their plight, if he had anything about him he'd have heard them out and then thrown them out

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Im starting to get tired of the constant childish insults being thrown about everytime I read some topics.
Thread bans have already been used, if you wish to continue posting in topics, this is a friendly warning to stop doing it.

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In light of the ongoing Tory corruption, a certain Mr Redwood might be sweating come the next election :)

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Fair shout, he is 70 and suspect Johnson would be keen to give him a peerage as he's been an MP for a long time.

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Yes, we can agree on this

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The Borough Council is staunch Conservative, so I think he is safe for the time being. Wokingham Town Council is only a small council.

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Boris must be wishing it would go away, but
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...edgdhp&pc=U531

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You couldn't make it up, it's almost as if paterson was used as a pawn in a bigger sleezier game to protect more sleezier corrupt people

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I am sure it was total coincidence that JRM tried to put in place a new committee and system for standards just before he was going to be investigated by the old one…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1638363993

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They didn't want the chink in the armour that occurred when Paterson resigned.

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The seat to watch is Old Bexley and Sidcup. There was a 19k Conservative majority at the last election but there's a byelection tomorrow. I can't see the Conservatives losing but will be interesting to see what happens to their majority and share of the vote.

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Well, the size of the majority is bound to decrease, isn’t it? It’s a mid-term by-election.

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Yup, by how much is really the question.

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I'm pleased to see his second job is not getting in the way of his Shakespeare biography with a 31 March 2022 publication date lined up for the title.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Shakespeare.../dp/0399184546

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I heard Emily Thornberry say earlier that Viscount Gage, a tory peer received 300k from the levelling-up fund to repair potholes on his driveway, I'd like to say it's unbelievable or a joke but in bozos Britain the joke is always on us

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What's that wrong with repairing a road that serves an independent museum and art gallery, along with 7 farms, 2 pubs, and 5 villages with 114 homes? So NOT his driveway.

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No shortage of straws to grasp then :D

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Also

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:rofl:

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Why couldn't the esteemed gentleman repair his own driveway with his own money?:confused:

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 

It wasn't his driveway.:rolleyes:
Whether the museum is of enough importance to warrant the expenditure is another matter.

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Lady Nugee has deliberately engineered your confusion by choosing to describe a single-track lane on a private estate a ‘driveway’, thereby insinuating that it’s the viscount’s personal access for getting his car into his garage. That is not the case.

There are certainly questions to answer here but as always, deliberately mischaracterising what has actually happened ensures they won’t be addressed. Such is the state of our politics.

As far as I can gather, the Estate company actually did pay for a substantial portion of the work of repairing the road. Their input paid for the repairs on the section beyond the museum, towards the farms. The museum applied for, and won, a grant to repair the first half-mile of the road, which is used by museum visitors as well as farm vehicles. The question is whether maintenance of that section of road is the tenant’s or the landlord’s responsibility. As I live on a stretch of unadopted country road I can tell you, the answers to those sorts of questions can be extremely complex and often are the reason such roads end up in that sort of condition.

I doubt we will ever learn whether it was actually the museum’s responsibility to maintain that part of the road or whether the estate used the museum as a front to get access to public funds. To be honest it would make little difference if we did. The story is only out there because of its potential sleaze value and everyone hearing it is only likely to become more entrenched in whatever view they already had.

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My drive needs 'levelling up". Might put a claim in.
I have a museum of ancient artefacts in the garage so I should qualify ;)

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Q.E.D.

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No it's not as bad, I still have questions though, like how long has the drive/ track been like that and who used to pay for the upkeep? Are the villages down the track owned or tenants?

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And that's the really tragic thing

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Details .....
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The Peer owns the land and the roadways. The fact that he has allowed a museum to be sited & operated on his land was surely his decision. His land, his road.

A fund setup to level up the poorer areas of the country pays for the upkeep of a private road owned by a multi-millionaire. I'm sorry, you literally could not make this up. There is also a business (Tilton House) that clear benefits from the works and so erodes any (weak) attempt at justification.

This is clearly another sleaze own goal despite the half hearted attempts of some on this forum to explain it away.

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I’ve not read much of the detail (as others have noted it won’t change my mind that it’s absolutely corrupt) but I’m rarely aware of occasions where corruption and movement of funds isn’t somehow disguised as a legal activity involving that individual, a third party or a front company. After all those laundrettes didn’t just clean clothes hence the name.

Indeed, Owen Patterson wasn’t paid to lobby and break Parliamentary procedures. Had it not been found out he’d just be declaring away his directorship on the regular reports and nobody any the wiser.

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For those who do want to read the detail:
https://www.southeastlep.com/project...ier-to-growth/
https://www.southeastlep.com/app/upl...iness-Case.pdf

And if you want to see what is being spent elsewhere:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/getting-building-fund

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 

As you can see above, the usual suspects have no interest in the actual facts. ;)

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From spider’s 2nd link

Page 13Whilst the Estate provided £10k worth of gratis Project Management (page 30), surely it would have been more equitable for the Estate to contribute to the funding as it also benefits?

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Well I’m sure if you had visibility of all the applications and weighed up all the evidence you’d have come to a decision………and of course welcomed that decision to have been assessed on social media, and if ridiculed, you would have battled that with all the internet memes at your disposal……you are excellent at that.

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 

Ah, bless, "usual suspects" ... is that it?

Care to comment on why a tax payer provided fund is repairing a private road owned by a multi-millionaire?

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In fairness I actually said:

Although my “it” was the Conservative Government, not this specific incident, which I could have been clearer about.

I’d not describe this incident as absolutely corrupt without reading about it first. It’s the least I can do.

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Have you lost your ability to read now, the information is all there when you regain it.

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You are such a sweetie - never let a reasonable question get in the way of your bitterness, acrimony, and animosity; you been over-indulging the Buckie again?

Happy Hogmanay, and big hugs - Lang may your lum reek -x-

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I appreciate the concern over my eyesight but I can read and have read the documents. It is clear that the landowner has not maintained his roadway for a number of years, resulting in the current state of disrepair. Asking the tax payer to pay for repairs to his (private) road seems inappropriate given the source of the funds and his wealth.

I mean when the Mail is against it and even the Mail Readers comments are, then your know the Tories are in trouble here - best rated comment on that page linked earlier:

Let's face it, Daily Mail readers normally to the right of Atilla The Hun

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I wonder whether you have really read it, as you’re still missing a salient point: it isn’t his. It belongs to the estate company, which is a fairly common state of affairs after the inheritance tax changes of the 20th century.

So yes, it’s still a private road and yes, if it’s that badly potholed then its owner may have been culpable (but see my comments earlier - liability for maintenance is not necessarily with the landowner. The leaseholder (the museum in this case) may have some responsibility).

Ultimately you may not feel any different about it but I think if we’re going to have an opinion on something it’s as well to try to ensure it’s an informed one.

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I am afraid I am informed on this as you are. The Firle Estate, owned by the Gage family, has an tax break to reduce their inheritance tax:

https://www.oss.org.uk/firle-estate-...-and-for-what/

A map of the areas of the estate that are exempt from inheritance tax can be seen here

http://www.leweseye.co.uk/environmen...aths-of-firle/

However, this is just another tiresome case of wealthy people trying not pay their dues. The main issue here is the epic PR fail. It will go on the pile of other Tory sleaze & corruption stories ..

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Thank you for the sentiment if a little Scottish heavy, I’m not Scottish. Wishing you happy and prosperous New Year.

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His lordship's wealth is estimated at 15 million, yet his house is worth 10 million, he owns 191 houses in those 5 villages and both pubs amongst other things, do these figures add up?