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1andrew1 13-08-2021 12:29
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36089671)
Sadly, the only way to defeat ISIS is a squadron of B52s and carpet bomb them off the planet, but this would kill thousands of innocent people.
They can just hide in caves in the mountains.

Chris 13-08-2021 12:37
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36089676)
The Taliban must be getting support from countries in the region that are not big fans of the U.S.A as well.
Just as their grandparents in the Mujahideen got support from US and UK special forces during the Soviet occupation. Sadly what goes around comes around.

TheDaddy 13-08-2021 14:26
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36089671)
Sadly, the only way to defeat ISIS is a squadron of B52s and carpet bomb them off the planet, but this would kill thousands of innocent people.
Possibly the very best recruiting Sargent they could ever wish for

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36089674)
Yeah 'cos that worked in Vietnam didn't it . . . something the USA should have learnt from.

You can't beat them on their own ground, you can push them back and 'contain' them, but that takes an awful lot of resources & manpower . . and again costs innocent lives.
You can beat them and I believe we would have done so without the Iraq distraction fiasco

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36089676)
The Taliban must be getting support from countries in the region that are not big fans of the U.S.A as well.
Or from one country that claims to be their biggest ally in the Arab world in Saudi Arabia, I doubt they get any support from anywhere else except Pakistan

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36089686)
Just as their grandparents in the Mujahideen got support from US and UK special forces during the Soviet occupation. Sadly what goes around comes around.
Indeed, we left some incredibly well trained, dangerous individuals there to pass their skills on

1andrew1 13-08-2021 14:42
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36089705)
Or from one country that claims to be their biggest ally in the Arab world in Saudi Arabia, I doubt they get any support from anywhere else except Pakistan
One great side benefit of renewable energy is that it reduces funding to some of these undemocratic regimes that fund hostile regimes.

TheDaddy 13-08-2021 17:33
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36089706)
One great side benefit of renewable energy is that it reduces funding to some of these undemocratic regimes that fund hostile regimes.
It's of no benefit if the money from non renewable energy has been invested by the undemocratic regimes via sovereign wealth funds in buying up huge swathes of our capital city, brands and assets, still once there is no more need for oil hopefully we'll put them on the state sponsors of terrorism list and freeze their assets

1andrew1 16-08-2021 09:51
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Whilst global attention focuses on the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, at home there was better news for the President with job vacancies soaring to 10m vacancies - the highest ever since records began over 20 years ago and ahead of predictions.
I suspect in the short term, US public will ignore the mess in Afghanistan and lap up the success in the economy. But the situation in Afghanistan could end up biting Biden through terrorist training in Afghanistan. Perhaps his advisers will caution against a second term?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58154046

Hugh 18-08-2021 23:44
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Mmmm - weren’t we, the British, really proud of what we achieved at Dunkirk?

papa smurf 19-08-2021 09:27
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36090267)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1629326608

Mmmm - weren’t we, the British, really proud of what we achieved at Dunkirk?
We lost.

Pierre 19-08-2021 09:32
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36090267)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1629326608

Mmmm - weren’t we, the British, really proud of what we achieved at Dunkirk?
I wasn't alive at the time, I think we were proud and thankful that we managed to rescue the British Army. but the British operation in France (not the rescue) was a failure.

Hugh 19-08-2021 10:31
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36090292)
We lost.
The Dunkirk evacuation was mostly successful (350,000 troops got home), the preceding conflicts not so much.

That’s why we say "the Dunkirk Spirit" not "the German Blitzkreig, followed by the collapse of the French & British Armies, then Dunkirk Spirit"… ;)

1andrew1 19-08-2021 11:08
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36090296)
The Dunkirk evacuation was mostly successful (350,000 troops got home), the preceding conflicts not so much.

That’s why we say "the Dunkirk Spirit" not "the German Blitzkreig, followed by the collapse of the French & British Armies, then Dunkirk Spirit"… ;)
It's a very, very strange post. It's an unusual comparison and it's also so poorly worded that you need to read it a few times to make sense of it! It would be easier if it read "This - Afghanistan - could be another Dunkirk situation" or just removed "This - ".

Sephiroth 19-08-2021 12:48
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Not as close Dunkirk than some might think - the "enemy" (Taliban) seem to be cooperating.

heero_yuy 19-08-2021 13:29
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Quote from Mail onLine: President Biden has been slammed for the 'bald-faced lie' that chaos in Kabul during the final stages of the US withdrawal was inevitable after saying for months it was not.

The President's performance was blasted from all arenas with Republicans and Democrats branding Biden 'shameful' and calling for him to 'take responsibility' for the the scenes of violence and disorder in recent days as thousands attempted to flee while the Taliban advanced.

Biden was criticized for having 'no urgency' in tackling the crisis, while others said the President was 'impotent' and 'dishonest' after his interview with ABC News on Wednesday.

In the interview with George Stephanopoulos Biden expressed disbelief there was 'a way to have gotten out with chaos' and said he did not think the withdrawal could have been handled without mistakes. He said: 'The idea that somehow, there's a way to have gotten out without chaos ensuing, I don't know how that happens'.

However, just six weeks ago at a White House briefing on July 8, Biden said the drawdown was 'proceeding in a secure and orderly way' and that it was not inevitable that the Taliban would take over.

At the time he also said he trusted the Afghan military because they were 'more competent in terms of conducting war' than the Taliban and at the same time denied claims the intelligence community expected the Afghan government to collapse.

'I want to make clear that we won't just walk away and not sustain their ability to maintain a force', he added on July 8.

However in last night's ABC interview Biden appeared pleasantly surprised the Taliban were letting the US evacuate Americans from Afghanistan without issue, but said his administration was having 'more difficulty' evacuating Afghanis who helped the US military and now have Taliban targets on their backs.

Biden snapped back at Stephanopoulos when he was questioned about footage of two Afghans falling to their deaths after clinging to the wheels of a US evacuation flight from Kabul on Monday, brushing off the harrowing images because they were 'four days ago, five days ago'.
Car crash interview.

Pierre 19-08-2021 13:56
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36090321)
Car crash interview.
To be fair it's very unlikely he can remember what he said in July.

mrmistoffelees 19-08-2021 13:57
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36090321)
Car crash interview.
Only seen the highlights of it courtesy of Sky News but agreed, car crash, and he came over as an aggressive fool.

1andrew1 19-08-2021 14:46
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36090326)
Only seen the highlights of it courtesy of Sky News but agreed, car crash, and he came over as an aggressive fool.
He probably knows that he's messed up and is annoyed with himself.

Pierre 19-08-2021 14:59
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36090326)
Only seen the highlights of it courtesy of Sky News but agreed, car crash, and he came over as an aggressive fool.
just watched it on You tube. You can very clearly see, a completely vacant look on his face at times. I don't know how much longer they'll keep this up for.

mrmistoffelees 19-08-2021 16:26
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36090332)
just watched it on You tube. You can very clearly see, a completely vacant look on his face at times. I don't know how much longer they'll keep this up for.

Well to his albeit diminishing credit, I don't remember Biden

a. releasing a major member of the Taliban from prison
b. ignoring/failing to invite the existing president of Afghanstan to peace talks
c. Holding talks without informing NATO

All of the above I'm pretty sure were the actions of the previous president so let's not pretend old trumpy boy is as pure as the driven snow.

Dude111 19-08-2021 17:00
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
We lost.
Not really Papa.... It was rigged big time! (They had to get Donny out of there)

Pierre 19-08-2021 17:05
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36090345)
Well to his albeit diminishing credit, I don't remember Biden

a. releasing a major member of the Taliban from prison
b. ignoring/failing to invite the existing president of Afghanstan to peace talks
c. Holding talks without informing NATO

All of the above I'm pretty sure were the actions of the previous president so let's not pretend old trumpy boy is as pure as the driven snow.
Never said he was, I was referring to the current presidents mental capacity or lack of it.

Itshim 19-08-2021 17:26
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
We had a choice between a buffoon and a man with no common sense or any ideas of his own . No wonder this happened. Run for the hills it wil only get worst

Hugh 19-08-2021 19:53
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36090346)
Not really Papa.... It was rigged big time! (They had to get Donny out of there)
You are balking tollocks…

Mr K 19-08-2021 20:11
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36090353)
We had a choice between a buffoon and a man with no common sense or any ideas of his own . No wonder this happened. Run for the hills it wil only get worst
They are both equally to blame. Anyone trying to make a Trump/Biden issue on this is talking smollocks.

mrmistoffelees 19-08-2021 21:06
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36090378)
They are both equally to blame. Anyone trying to make a Trump/Biden issue on this is talking smollocks.

Nope, I actually blame Biden more, he had the chance to reverse Trumps stupidities Yet instead he chose to use this as a vote winner in next years mid terms

Maggy 20-08-2021 08:40
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Donny started it..Biden just followed through.

nomadking 20-08-2021 11:15
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36090409)
Donny started it..Biden just followed through.
Actually Obama started it.
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President Barack Obama had promised to end the war, so on Dec. 28, 2014, U.S. and NATO officials held a ceremony at their headquarters in Kabul to mark the occasion.
...
In a statement, Obama called the day “a milestone for our country” and said the United States was safer and more secure after 13 years of war.
“Thanks to the extraordinary sacrifices of our men and women in uniform, our combat mission in Afghanistan is ending and the longest war in American history is coming to a responsible conclusion,” he declared.
...
Obama had scaled back military operations over the previous three years, but he failed to pull the United States out of the quagmire. At the time of the ceremony, about 10,800 U.S. troops remained, a decrease of almost 90 percent from the surge of forces that he had sent to Afghanistan in his first term. Obama promised to withdraw the rest of the troops by the end of 2016, coinciding with the end of his term in office, save for a residual force at the U.S. Embassy.

Mick 20-08-2021 12:41
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America urgently needs to ratify the 28th Amendment, no person over the age of 70, may become or remain the President of the United States, or be elected to either the House of Representatives or The Senate. A clause should be included that if a president is elected just prior to their 70th birthday, they must retire on the day they reach 70 and the Vice President assumes office of the president (They also have to be under the age of 70).

Pierre 20-08-2021 12:57
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36090422)
America urgently needs to ratify the 28th Amendment, no person over the age of 70, may become or remain the President of the United States, or be elected to either the House of Representatives or The Senate. A clause should be included that if a president is elected just prior to their 70th birthday, they must retire on the day they reach 70 and the Vice President assumes office of the president (They also have to be under the age of 70).
I don't think that's necessary, as there are plenty of competent 70+ years olds that could do a good job.

I do think that regular cognitive tests should be done though.

papa smurf 20-08-2021 12:59
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36090422)
America urgently needs to ratify the 28th Amendment, no person over the age of 70, may become or remain the President of the United States, or be elected to either the House of Representatives or The Senate. A clause should be included that if a president is elected just prior to their 70th birthday, they must retire on the day they reach 70 and the Vice President assumes office of the president (They also have to be under the age of 70).
Not everyone over 70 is incompetent, in fact many under 70s are complete halfwits, I think a competency test every six months what ever their age would be a better approach.

Sephiroth 20-08-2021 15:46
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36090422)
America urgently needs to ratify the 28th Amendment, no person over the age of 70, may become or remain the President of the United States, or be elected to either the House of Representatives or The Senate. A clause should be included that if a president is elected just prior to their 70th birthday, they must retire on the day they reach 70 and the Vice President assumes office of the president (They also have to be under the age of 70).
That's ridiculous.

Mick 20-08-2021 16:39
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36090433)
That's ridiculous.
No it isn’t. It would stop the issues of Stubborn old men, realising when they have read things totally wrong. Would have stopped, Trump/Biden’s presidency.

The leader of the free world needs to be sharp and focussed, when there is apparent cognitive impairment in older men, it’s not good needs for rest of the world, Joe Biden being the present example.

There is already enshrined in the Constitution that no one under the age of 35 can become President, then there needs to be an age restriction for latter years.

Sephiroth 20-08-2021 16:51
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36090442)
No it isn’t. It would stop the issues of Stubborn old men, realising when they have read things totally wrong. Would have stopped, Trump/Biden’s presidency.

The leader of the free world needs to be sharp and focussed, when there is apparent cognitive impairment in older men, it’s not good needs for rest of the world, Joe Biden being the present example.

There is already enshrined in the Constitution that no one under the age of 35 can become President, then there needs to be an age restriction for latter years.
The broad brush approach is unreasonable. As others have said, 70 isn't a natural barrier to competence and intelligence. Wisdom also comes with age for those not as stupid as Biden.

Carth 20-08-2021 17:05
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36090443)
The broad brush approach is unreasonable. As others have said, 70 isn't a natural barrier to competence and intelligence. Wisdom also comes with age for those not as stupid as Biden.
One hopes you're not basing that remark on stuff you see on here :D

Sephiroth 20-08-2021 17:17
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36090446)
One hopes you're not basing that remark on stuff you see on here :D
Obvs, where I can judge their age. Actually, some of the cobblers from people clearly younger than 70 makes my point.

1andrew1 20-08-2021 17:20
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36090448)
Obvs, where I can judge their age. Actually, some of the cobblers from people clearly younger than 70 makes my point.
"Obvs"? I detect a millennial amongst us! :D

Sephiroth 20-08-2021 17:36
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36090449)
"Obvs"? I detect a millennial amongst us! :D
Wong about Brexit, wrong about that. Plus, like "baby boomer", "Millennial" is a terrible handle to apply to a raft of people.

Carth 20-08-2021 17:44
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Apparently Millennials are considered to be 'anyone born between 1981 and 1996' which puts me well out *phew*

Another interesting thing is that one the names suggested for those born later - 1997 onward - is Generation Z.

Now I don't want to get too deep into this, but the zombie reference is quite remarkable, considering . . :D

Sephiroth 20-08-2021 18:07
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36090452)
Apparently Millennials are considered to be 'anyone born between 1981 and 1996' which puts me well out *phew*

Another interesting thing is that one the names suggested for those born later - 1997 onward - is Generation Z.

Now I don't want to get too deep into this, but the zombie reference is quite remarkable, considering . . :D
It's disgraceful that a whole raft of people can be characterised in a single brush-stroke. Everyone is an individual and these artificial constructs are there for discreditable reasons.

peanut 20-08-2021 18:23
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
I can't see him lasting too much longer now anyway. He doesn't look well at all.

He'd do better to bow out now than to make things even worse than he already has . Must be a reason to keep wheeling him out in his 'condition'.

Pierre 20-08-2021 20:12
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36090454)
I can't see him lasting too much longer now anyway. He doesn't look well at all.

He'd do better to bow out now than to make things even worse than he already has . Must be a reason to keep wheeling him out in his 'condition'.
Well, the global focus is very much zero’d in on him. He’s managed to stay out the crosshairs until now but this issue is demanding attention, demanding his answers and demanding his presence and his team cannot obfuscate this.

The media can’t protect him either. I don’t see him surviving this…medically….he’ll become a liability to the democrats and they’ll have to pull him.

If he stays on and Trump decides to run again in 24……….god knows.

Mick 20-08-2021 22:06
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36090448)
Obvs, where I can judge their age. Actually, some of the cobblers from people clearly younger than 70 makes my point.
No it does not. Very arrogant of you to assume age = more intelligence, it doesn’t, and we’re not talking about intelligence, we’re talking cognitive function, with age, it does slow down.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36090453)
It's disgraceful that a whole raft of people can be characterised in a single brush-stroke. Everyone is an individual and these artificial constructs are there for discreditable reasons.
No, they are there to protect. Take the UK driving license laws. From age of 70, drivers have to renew their license every 3 years, subject to doctor approval, them telling you, you are fit to drive, did the DVLA get it wrong when choosing the age of 70 onwards?

Sephiroth 20-08-2021 22:12
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36090471)
No it does not. Very arrogant of you to assume age = more intelligence, it doesn’t, and we’re not talking about intelligence, we’re talking cognitive function, with age, it does slow down.

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No, they are there to protect. Take the UK driving license laws. From age of 70, drivers have to renew their license every 3 years, subject to doctor approval, them telling you, you are fit to drive, did the DVLA get it wrong when choosing the age of 70 onwards?
What you refuse to allow for is that not all over-70s have cognitive problems. You wrongly call me arrogant - but you are being ridiculous.

Mick 20-08-2021 22:25
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36090475)
What you refuse to allow for is that not all over-70s have cognitive problems. You wrongly call me arrogant - but you are being ridiculous.
No, you are arrogant for suggesting older people are cleverer than younger people.

Where did I say *all* over 70’s have problems?

Another question, why do you post in Blue all the time when everyone else doesn’t?

Last question, which you have conveniently copped out of from answering, does the DVLA have it wrong on the age expiration of driving licenses for people who reach the age of 70?

nomadking 20-08-2021 22:39
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
If you don't have a clearly defined cut-off, you get the current situation of the question is there, but can never be answered. Even if the question was answered, there would still be an endless round of arguments both ways of whether the answer was correct.

Having simply hard-defined boundaries avoids an endless round of appeals etc, about any decision of any sort.
People don't have a problem with minimum age cut-offs.

Sephiroth 20-08-2021 22:46
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36090476)
No, you are arrogant for suggesting older people are cleverer than younger people.

Where did I say *all* over 70’s have problems?

Another question, why do you post in Blue all the time when everyone else doesn’t?

Last question, which you have conveniently copped out of from answering, does the DVLA have it wrong on the age expiration of driving licenses for people who reach the age of 70?
I'll remind you of what I said, which is NOT that older people are more intelligent.

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The broad brush approach is unreasonable [in respect of handles such as Millennials]. As others have said, 70 isn't a natural barrier to competence and intelligence. Wisdom also comes with age for those not as stupid as Biden.
Why are you bothered as to why I post in blue? Are you going to introduce a rule that forbids it? To answer your petty question, I do it because it's distinctive. It doesn't seem to have bothered anybody.

On your last question, it was not a point relevant to the ability of a 70+ person to be intelligent or govern a country. And as I don't dodge answering questions: I've no problem with the 70s DDVLA rules because there are specific age-related eyesight related conditions that make it necessary to mitigate accident risk.




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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36090477)
If you don't have a clearly defined cut-off, you get the current situation of the question is there, but can never be answered. Even if the question was answered, there would still be an endless round of arguments both ways of whether the answer was correct.

Having simply hard-defined boundaries avoids an endless round of appeals etc, about any decision of any sort.
People don't have a problem with minimum age cut-offs.
The public can decide the cut-off at the polls if they consider it more important than the other pull factors. To constitutionally set a cut-off point, certainly as low as Mick wants it to be, would lead to all sorts of nastiness, like changes to employment law, changes to insurance premiums etc.

Mick 20-08-2021 22:52
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36090478)
I'll remind you of what I said, which is NOT that older people are more intelligent.



Why are you bothered as to why I post in blue? Are you going to introduce a rule that forbids it? To answer your petty question, I do it because it's distinctive. It doesn't seem to have bothered anybody.

On your last question, it was not a point relevant to the ability of a 70+ person to be intelligent or govern a country. And as I don't dodge answering questions: I've no problem with the 70s DDVLA rules because there are specific age-related eyesight related conditions that make it necessary to mitigate accident risk.
DVLA age restrictions is not just about eyesight issues.

Lastly. Lose the attitude. It was a simple question. It could begin to bother me, if you carry on posting in your obnoxious tone.

nomadking 20-08-2021 22:58
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Biden's condition has been relatively hidden by everybody, including the media. If the media and people like comedians had been going on and on about it before the election, then who knows, the outcome might've been different.

The voters are presented with limited options that have been chosen by others. In the actual Presidential election there was no alternate choice for a Democrat candidate. If you wanted to vote Democrat, you were left with no option other than Biden.

Mick 20-08-2021 23:05
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36090482)
Biden's condition has been relatively hidden by everybody, including the media. If the media and people like comedians had been going on and on about it before the election, then who knows, the outcome might've been different.

The voters are presented with limited options that have been chosen by others. In the actual Presidential election there was no alternate choice for a Democrat candidate. If you wanted to vote Democrat, you were left with no option other than Biden.
Not to mention, voters get a chance to elect a new president every 4 years, there is another 3.5 years of Biden’s presidency. We cannot wait that long, given the crap hell hole happening in Afghanistan.

Sephiroth 20-08-2021 23:22
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36090480)
DVLA age restrictions is not just about eyesight issues.

Lastly. Lose the attitude. It was a simple question. It could begin to bother me, if you carry on posting in your obnoxious tone.
@ MICK

Unless you apologise to me by PM for your insults, please remove my membership of this forum. You are the obnoxious one who abuses the privilege of forum co-ownership.

Pierre 20-08-2021 23:34
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36090486)
@ MICK

Unless you apologise to me by PM for your insults, please remove my membership of this forum. You are the obnoxious one who abuses the privilege of forum co-ownership.
:wavey:

I didn’t see any insults.

1andrew1 20-08-2021 23:36
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36090482)
Biden's condition has been relatively hidden by everybody, including the media. If the media and people like comedians had been going on and on about it before the election, then who knows, the outcome might've been different.

The voters are presented with limited options that have been chosen by others. In the actual Presidential election there was no alternate choice for a Democrat candidate. If you wanted to vote Democrat, you were left with no option other than Biden.
The media have going on about Biden's speech/gaffe issues for years, it's no secret as many a YouTube video will testify to. Take this from CNN back in 2015, for example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iSAh3haVtY

Mick 20-08-2021 23:44
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36090486)
@ MICK

Unless you apologise to me by PM for your insults, please remove my membership of this forum. You are the obnoxious one who abuses the privilege of forum co-ownership.
Calm down Chuck.

I Don’t do drama. There will be no apology, because there wasn’t any insults thrown about. I asked you a question which I can do at any time, you berated me with a rude response, you can expect me to bite back, regardless if I’m one of the site owners or not.

TheDaddy 21-08-2021 00:29
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36090442)
No it isn’t. It would stop the issues of Stubborn old men, realising when they have read things totally wrong. Would have stopped, Trump/Biden’s presidency.

The leader of the free world needs to be sharp and focussed, when there is apparent cognitive impairment in older men, it’s not good needs for rest of the world, Joe Biden being the present example.

There is already enshrined in the Constitution that no one under the age of 35 can become President, then there needs to be an age restriction for latter years.
Good job we don't have that rule, Churchill wouldn't have got back in or seen out the war

nomadking 21-08-2021 00:37
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36090488)
The media have going on about Biden's speech/gaffe issues for years, it's no secret as many a YouTube video will testify to. Take this from CNN back in 2015, for example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iSAh3haVtY
So have the media gone on about it anywhere near the fanatical way they've gone on about Trump?
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A majority of voters don’t think President Joe Biden is mentally and physically capable of doing his job, and suspect the White House is actually being run by others.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that only 39% of Likely U.S. Voters believe Biden is really doing the job of president – that’s down from 47% in March. A majority of voter (51%) now say others are making decisions for Biden behind the scenes.

Carth 21-08-2021 00:37
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I think anyone in their 70's shouldn't be considered for any post like that . . or a Judge, Mayor etc.
Sure they might be perfectly OK now, but 6 months down the line is another story.

On the other hand, making legislation (not just age related) that excludes certain people running for office - in any country - could lead to a drastic reduction in candidates :D

Maggy 21-08-2021 09:47
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36090493)
I think anyone in their 70's shouldn't be considered for any post like that . . or a Judge, Mayor etc.
Sure they might be perfectly OK now, but 6 months down the line is another story.

On the other hand, making legislation (not just age related) that excludes certain people running for office - in any country - could lead to a drastic reduction in candidates :D
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Taf 21-08-2021 11:48
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Even Democrats are now questioning his ability to be in charge. The plot all along was to use him to get the Democrats into power, then ease him out to be replaced by Harris, "a female of colour".

heero_yuy 21-08-2021 12:40
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According to the redtops the car crash interview had the worst bits edited out.

Maggy 21-08-2021 14:39
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So if someone isn’t fit to run a country at 60,70+ should the right to vote be removed for everyone over say 60?

Chris 21-08-2021 14:48
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So if someone isn’t fit to run a country at 60,70+ should the right to vote be removed for everyone over say 60?
Some made that argument prior to the EU and Scottish referendums on the basis that the elderly would not have to live with the consequences of their vote. It was nonsense then and it's nonsense now. If we're going to make any assumptions about older voters it should be that they have a lot more experience and a much longer-term perspective than hand-wringing millennials who always seem in such a hurry to reinvent the world in their image.

Carth 21-08-2021 16:12
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So if someone isn’t fit to run a country at 60,70+ should the right to vote be removed for everyone over say 60?
Not really, no.

If you're voting for someone (a party) it's probably because you agree to many of the things they are promising to do . . or not do.

papa smurf 21-08-2021 16:26
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So if someone isn’t fit to run a country at 60,70+ should the right to vote be removed for everyone over say 60?
If their right to vote is taken away then they should be exempt from all taxes

Damien 21-08-2021 20:55
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You shouldn't disenfranchise voters unless you have a really good reason and we don't want to start sectioning off groups of people and deeming them unable to make a sound judgement. I would also lower the vote to 16 as well.

I do think there should be an upper age limit to be President though. It's not just mental fitness but also physical fitness. It's long hours, you may have to get up at any point in the night and make life and death decisions, you need to have a lot of energy. You need to be in the right physical condition to cope with the stress you're placing on your body.

nomadking 21-08-2021 20:59
Re: US President Joe Biden
 
When somebody repeatedly can't remember correctly, basic facts about their own family, that not is not a good sign. That is severe, not mild.

Mick 21-08-2021 21:06
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36090535)
When somebody repeatedly can't remember correctly, basic facts about their own family, that not is not a good sign. That is severe, not mild.
And the fact the number of times Biden has done a press conference without pre-screening questions beforehand.

TheDaddy 21-08-2021 21:53
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36090534)
You shouldn't disenfranchise voters unless you have a really good reason and we don't want to start sectioning off groups of people and deeming them unable to make a sound judgement. I would also lower the vote to 16 as well.

I do think there should be an upper age limit to be President though. It's not just mental fitness but also physical fitness. It's long hours, you may have to get up at any point in the night and make life and death decisions, you need to have a lot of energy. You need to be in the right physical condition to cope with the stress you're placing on your body.
You are joking, by your rationale two of America's greatest presidents wouldn't have got through the physical condition test, no FDR no JFK, how about we leave Americans to choose the leader they want with the only proviso being winning an election

Mick 21-08-2021 22:03
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36090539)
You are joking, by your rationale two of America's greatest presidents wouldn't have got through the physical condition test, no FDR no JFK, how about we leave Americans to choose the leader they want with the only proviso being winning an election
Because leaving it to Americans has an effect on the rest the World that cannot elect him/her. Current Afghanistan case in mind.

TheDaddy 21-08-2021 22:24
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Because leaving it to Americans has an effect on the rest the World that cannot elect him/her. Current Afghanistan case in mind.
I don't think that'll carry much weight with them tbh and I wonder if just because decent people like us are concerned about Afghanistan whether there are very sizable portions of Britain and Americas populations that are delighted we've left, no matter the consequences

nomadking 21-08-2021 23:13
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36090539)
You are joking, by your rationale two of America's greatest presidents wouldn't have got through the physical condition test, no FDR no JFK, how about we leave Americans to choose the leader they want with the only proviso being winning an election
Would they have passed the current Constitutional tests?

TheDaddy 22-08-2021 02:03
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Would they have passed the current Constitutional tests?
If they couldn't I'd suggest the current constitutional tests aren't a good idea, mind you FDR was so popular he'd probably still be president now if he hadn't died so obviously the rules had to be changed there to

Dude111 22-08-2021 21:54
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I can't see him lasting too much longer now anyway. He doesn't look well at all.
No I think he wll be gone by 25/12!!

Maggy 23-08-2021 08:42
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Pah! I'm 69 in October and I have no issues with Biden's age. After all Trump is younger and completely useless in comparison.

Pierre 23-08-2021 09:43
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Pah! I'm 69 in October and I have no issues with Biden's age. After all Trump is younger and completely useless in comparison.
You can't really compare Trump and Biden.

Trump was actually the President, whereas Biden may be in the position but there is no way he is making any of the decisions.

Also Trump had the whole of the media against him, whereas Biden is getting so much of easy ride it's laughable.

Can you imagine what it would be like if Trump was still in power during this debacle?

Can you imagine the headlines if Trump challenged about Afghans falling from USAF jets brushed it aside saying " that was days ago?"

Mick 23-08-2021 09:43
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36090640)
Pah! I'm 69 in October and I have no issues with Biden's age. After all Trump is younger and completely useless in comparison.
Pah nothing!

I have issues with his age. He is in cognitive decline and should retire. He has completely FUBAR the world stage with this Afghanistan Taliban shit. He’s a halfwit, can’t remember where he is or going half the time, and he’s a far worse President in the 7 months he’s been in office, compared to Trump’s 4 years.

1andrew1 23-08-2021 09:46
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36090640)
Pah! I'm 69 in October and I have no issues with Biden's age. After all Trump is younger and completely useless in comparison.
They're two poor Presidents in my book. Although Biden has been more successful on domestic politics and Covid than Trump was, this success has been negated by the chaotic scenes taking place in Afghanistan and the long-term implications of it.

Mick 23-08-2021 10:00
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36090641)
You can't really compare Trump and Biden.

Trump was actually the President, whereas Biden may be in the position but there is no way he is making any of the decisions.

Also Trump had the whole of the media against him, whereas Biden is getting so much of easy ride it's laughable.

Can you imagine what it would be like if Trump was still in power during this debacle?

Can you imagine the headlines if Trump challenged about Afghans falling from USAF jets brushed it aside saying " that was days ago?"
You’re wasting your time. Maggy has obsessional hate of Mr Trump, and it blinds her from the obvious reality that Biden is and has been a complete disaster for President.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36090644)
They're two poor Presidents in my book. Although Biden has been more successful on domestic politics and Covid than Trump was, this success has been negated by the chaotic scenes taking place in Afghanistan and the long-term implications of it.
No he has not been successful domestically at all, he has a easy ride with the media, it’s so obvious, it’s pathetic, look at the bloody migrant crisis, thousands at the Texas Border. Inflation rising, Gas and energy price rises, substantial job losses at the keystone pipeline network. His success with Covid is debatable, he wasn’t the president when the vaccine program had been expedited and rolled out.

Damien 23-08-2021 10:10
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36090641)
You can't really compare Trump and Biden.

Trump was actually the President, whereas Biden may be in the position but there is no way he is making any of the decisions.

Also Trump had the whole of the media against him, whereas Biden is getting so much of easy ride it's laughable.

Can you imagine what it would be like if Trump was still in power during this debacle?

Can you imagine the headlines if Trump challenged about Afghans falling from USAF jets brushed it aside saying " that was days ago?"
Biden is rightly getting pilloried for the Afganistan mess.

Besides, We don't really need to imagine what it would be like if Trump was in power. He is the one who did the deal with the Taliban and had an earlier deadline for leaving.

Both have been useless and terrible on Afghanistan.

Mick 23-08-2021 10:22
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I don’t think Trump would have allowed this Afghanistan take over so easily. Biden pulled the plug so fast, gear and military equipment left on the field. Yes it was a Trump policy, but he would have struck a hardline with these Terrorist *******s, not what Biden is doing, Taliban have Biden wrapped round their little fingers.

1andrew1 23-08-2021 10:36
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36090652)
I don’t think Trump would have allowed this Afghanistan take over so easily. Biden pulled the plug so fast, gear and military equipment left on the field. Yes it was a Trump policy, but he would have struck a hardline with these Terrorist *******s, not what Biden is doing, Taliban have Biden wrapped round their little fingers.
Biden merely continued Trump's disastrous plan when he should have known better.

Trump waved the white flag of surrender when he signed that terrible deal with the Taliban. Apart from giving the Taliban the keys to the Mar-a-Lago Club, there's little more he could have conceded to them. Worst deal ever!

Pierre 23-08-2021 10:46
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36090654)
Biden merely continued Trump's disastrous plan when he should have known better.

Trump waved the white flag of surrender when he signed that terrible deal with the Taliban. Apart from giving the Taliban the keys to the Mar-a-Lago Club, there's little more he could have conceded to them. Worst deal ever!
As has been posted on here several times, withdrawl from Afghanistan goes back to Obama. The USA were going to leave at some point regardless of who the president is.

The USA leaving is not the issue, it's how they are leaving that is the issue and that is Bidens own work*.

*the work of those working him from behind.

1andrew1 23-08-2021 11:44
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As has been posted on here several times, withdrawl from Afghanistan goes back to Obama. The USA were going to leave at some point regardless of who the president is.

The USA leaving is not the issue, it's how they are leaving that is the issue and that is Bidens own work*.

*the work of those working him from behind.
As has been posted on here several times, the withdrawal deal was negotiated by Trump.
No one's disputing that the country would be occupied forever.

Both how the USA is leaving and also the state of the country they're leaving behind - effectively a failed state - are the issue.

Mick 23-08-2021 11:59
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36090666)
As has been posted on here several times, the withdrawal deal was negotiated by Trump.
No one's disputing that the country would be occupied forever.

Both how the USA is leaving and also the state of the country they're leaving behind - effectively a failed state - are the issue.
I don’t care how much you try sugar cost this blame game away from Biden, he’s the president, he finalised the withdrawal in such gung-ho fashion.

1andrew1 23-08-2021 12:01
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I don’t care how much you try sugar cost this blame game away from Biden, he’s the president, he finalised the withdrawal in such gung-ho fashion.
No sugar-coating on my part, most of the blame lies with hapless Biden as he has had the chance to change his mind.

Carth 23-08-2021 12:57
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I don't get this 'blame game mentality'

Everyone knew at least two years ago that the 'occupying' forces were being pulled out. In that time, it seems only the Taliban had the gumption to plan ahead for that event because the Afghanistan leadership certainly didn't have anything in place.

We'd outstayed the welcome, they took the money and ran.

TheDaddy 23-08-2021 13:23
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36090679)
I don't get this 'blame game mentality'

Everyone knew at least two years ago that the 'occupying' forces were being pulled out. In that time, it seems only the Taliban had the gumption to plan ahead for that event because the Afghanistan leadership certainly didn't have anything in place.

We'd outstayed the welcome, they took the money and ran.
50000 people outside the airport indicate to me we hadn't out stayed our welcome at all, you know how many fatalities the army has suffered in the last 5 years over there, one in an accident, whilst I'm not diminishing that tragedy for a so called forever war that is pretty low

nomadking 23-08-2021 13:57
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36090684)
50000 people outside the airport indicate to me we hadn't out stayed our welcome at all, you know how many fatalities the army has suffered in the last 5 years over there, one in an accident, whilst I'm not diminishing that tragedy for a so called forever war that is pretty low
They're not looking for us to stay. They just want a free plane ride out into our countries. Just look at the number of them that have previously come here.
Eg Abu Hamza
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15 April 1958 - born Alexandria, Egypt
1979 - travelled to England
1987 - meets founder of Afghan Mujahideen
1997 - arrives at Finsbury Park Mosque
2002 - gives speech praising 9/11 hijackers
2004 - arrested on terrorism charges
2006 - convicted and jailed for seven years
2012 - extradited to the US after a long legal battle
2014 - goes on trial in New York
If the departure had been announced in advance, that would've given time for an even greater horde to turn up from outside Kabul, all looking for that free plane ride.

Carth 23-08-2021 14:55
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Those '50000 people outside the airport' wouldn't even be there if the Taliban hadn't had the cheek and audacity to just walk in and take over . . with hardly a ripple of opposition by the very people we're supposed to have armed and trained.

I repeat, took the money and ran :Yes:

TheDaddy 23-08-2021 15:11
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36090694)
Those '50000 people outside the airport' wouldn't even be there if the Taliban hadn't had the cheek and audacity to just walk in and take over . . with hardly a ripple of opposition by the very people we're supposed to have armed and trained.

I repeat, took the money and ran :Yes:
There was no money, it'll all come out eventually what happened but I wouldn't be shocked to see a lot of those very people opposing them and getting support from the population

Damien 23-08-2021 21:50
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36090652)
I don’t think Trump would have allowed this Afghanistan take over so easily. Biden pulled the plug so fast, gear and military equipment left on the field. Yes it was a Trump policy, but he would have struck a hardline with these Terrorist *******s, not what Biden is doing, Taliban have Biden wrapped round their little fingers.
I think he would have. He is the one who made the deal. He wanted to withdraw sooner and he was slamming Biden when he delayed it a few months.

But at the end of the day it doesn't matter because Trump isn't in charge. The Taliban had already broken the deal so there was no requirement for the Americans to abide by it.

So what I think Trump would have done doesn't matter. Biden is responsible.

Pierre 23-08-2021 22:03
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36090719)
So what I think Trump would have done doesn't matter. Biden is responsible.
Correct.

TheDaddy 23-08-2021 22:42
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36090719)
I think he would have. He is the one who made the deal. He wanted to withdraw sooner and he was slamming Biden when he delayed it a few months.

But at the end of the day it doesn't matter because Trump isn't in charge. The Taliban had already broken the deal so there was no requirement for the Americans to abide by it.

So what I think Trump would have done doesn't matter. Biden is responsible.
I heard some guy called Wolfe I think it was say Trump kept pushing to withdraw and everytime he did the generals would tell him not now and put a power point on knowing donny couldn't follow them and he'd storm off, if only it all wasn't so important it must have been hilarious times in the white House for the trump years, they should've just told Biden they'd done it and hope he'd forget, he'd forget who told him anyway so what's the problem

Dude111 24-08-2021 07:54
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Originally Posted by Mick
I don’t think Trump would have allowed this Afghanistan take over so easily. Biden pulled the plug so fast, gear and military equipment left on the field.
Yes Donny wanted to get out also but he knew it would be a shit storm and didnt want that...

1andrew1 24-08-2021 10:13
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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36090735)
Yes Donny wanted to get out also but he knew it would be a shit storm and didnt want that...
That's why he let Biden win so he can return triumphant in 2024 letting Biden take a hit for Afghanistan and the Republicans will pick up more seats in the 2022 Senate elections too. ;)

tweetiepooh 24-08-2021 11:11
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Do you not think with Trump's attitude and swagger he may not have seen what the Taliban was up to and redeployed especially if popular with enough of the electorate? Suddenly he becomes "the hero" keeping people safe from the threat of extremists. After all know the sacrifices of our troops is shown in focus of the alternative.

1andrew1 24-08-2021 11:16
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36090755)
Do you not think with Trump's attitude and swagger he may not have seen what the Taliban was up to and redeployed especially if popular with enough of the electorate? Suddenly he becomes "the hero" keeping people safe from the threat of extremists. After all know the sacrifices of our troops is shown in focus of the alternative.
No. Because, "America first".

Pierre 24-08-2021 12:08
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No. Because, "America first".
You obviously don't understand the Donald then. It is always "Donald First"

Maggy 24-08-2021 12:13
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36090747)
That's why he let Biden win so he can return triumphant in 2024 letting Biden take a hit for Afghanistan and the Republicans will pick up more seats in the 2022 Senate elections too. ;)
Or the US voters may actually like the fact that they are out of Afghanistan and Biden won’t take the hit.

Carth 24-08-2021 14:07
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36090763)
Or the US voters may actually like the fact that they are out of Afghanistan and Biden won’t take the hit.
I believe there was certainly a loud shout for it

Dude111 24-08-2021 22:48
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
That's why he let Biden win so he can return triumphant in 2024 letting Biden take a hit for Afghanistan and the Republicans will pick up more seats in the 2022 Senate elections too. ;)
Hmmmm that kinda makes sense really......

TheDaddy 25-08-2021 02:29
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Hmmmm that kinda makes sense really......
Does it?....


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