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Gone now, but I doubt that was hacked.

Hopefully someone gets fired for that.

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So they either seen the car on the date they claimed. Seen it on another date and are making up the date. Have been sent the number plate by someone who knows it or looked it up on a government system and are making a false accusation.

They say their internet search history will show them looking for images of Dom’s car on or around that date. That’s not to say they’ve not spent other occasions looking for Dom’s car and deleted it from his search history.

Easy for the police to check, verify with Dom and when Dom produces car GPS or other records of being in London charge the witness with wasting police time. Easy. Unless...

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

It's quite funny but for once we agree.

It's unprofessional, the Civil Service must be neutral even if they think the Government is way out of line. It doesn't achieve or help anything either.

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That does not tell you who owns it.

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What is the Reg then? Because if you can read it off that photo, you are very talented.

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You nor I know his personal situation or the support network around him so any conclusion is speculation and not a fact.

Did he stay in a separate building or annex? If so what is the issue?

Allegedly, And corroborated, so not a fact

They spoke to his father, well actually his father spoke to them. The police did not visit the property.

Opinion not fact.


I looked at your facts and found them to be not facts.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

It was never stated he looked up the reg to see who owns it.

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Doesn’t mean it’s a lie, ooh there’s that word again “Alleged.“

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Then why would he look it up?

Yeah I’m always looking up the reg’s of random cars to see if they’re taxed and tested. I’m sure others do it too. Great way to spend an evening.

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The articles in the paper today say that he looked up pictures of Dominic Cummings and found one of him with a car matching five letters of the registration plate of the one they saw ‘him’ with in Durham the others presumably not visible (else there’s no story).

I’m not sure why people are wilfully misinterpreting that to imply ownership or some unauthorised computer use.

This is something the police could easily follow up on and sort out in a few minutes.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ockdown-claims On a related note, a tweet from a scientist on the SPI-M committee.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1590345296

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Ah, 70, the old boy is retired so we can file unlawful computer use under unlikely. Unless breaking and entering and hacking are specialties...

Ooh he’s filed a complaint.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ressure-mounts

How exciting.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Yes, but it doesn’t answer the mystery of what or indeed how he searched the number plate.

If he had access to the DVLA database to check owners of registration plates he abused his position, and he should be reprimanded for it. If it was me accessing private information for non-business reasons - I would lose my job.

So those that are calling for Cummings head, should also be calling for this guys head - if he has breached data protection legislation.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

See my post above. It’s now with the police. The old boy has given a version of events within the law, as a retired chemistry teacher I’m unsure how he could possibly have access to a Government computer to break any law. However, we will soon find out. :)

I’m 100% certain you will join me in welcoming police involvement in this matter.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

So where is he going to look it up to find the details of who owns it? Does he work for the Police or DVLA?

Logic would state that he found out who it was and was trying to get some dirt on him to see if it was taxed and had an MOT. Just like people on Facebook look up the reg plates of Police cars and then post they have no MOT without understanding what they are actually posting.

This is not about what you or I would do, its what one certain person might do.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

An interesting day. Boris's ldefence of Cummings was neatly summed up by The Times' Writer-in-Chief Philip Collins
The Financial Times' Chief features writer Henry Mance observed
Many commentators went far further, with variations on the taking-the-public-for-idiots and one-rule-for-them, another-rule-for-us themes.

A reminder of two key allegations:
- Travelling 30 miles on his wife's birthday (12th April) to Barnard Castle at a time when travel for non-essential purposes was not allowed. This trip has not been denied by the Government.
- Travelling 264 miles with symptoms of the virus at a time when no exceptions were permitted and the clear policy for anyone with symptoms was to stay home and isolate. The Government has acknowledged this journey but tried to obfuscate matters by playing up childcare. Some have even mentioned an exception introduced some two weeks later, but the public is wiser than this.

Boris gets to keep Cummings for now but his government's reputation is now tarnished and the press will persist with their questions. It's bad news for efforts to enforce the lockdown and a clearly-divided Conservative Party but good news for Cummins and the opposition parties.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Several more scientists on that committee have come out and said the same. Meanwhile, more Tory MPs are breaking ranks to say he has to go.

I am not sure this is sustainable.

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Well if did, and that is the only Way he could, He’ll be in trouble.

Logic certainly does not dictate that, if he knew it was Cummings’s car he wouldn’t have to look it up.

If he thought it was Cummings but wanted confirmation, he would have had to abuse access to the DVLA database.

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The witness states he saw a picture of Cummings car on the internet. That’s not illegal.

The DVLA public databases do not tell you the owner of a car, or the address of the registered keeper. It’s entirely useless for the purposes the witness describes. If you read the article he says he saw someone he thought was Dominic Cummings. The only tool at his disposal for confirming this was a number plate and looking for pictures of Dom outside his house on the internet.

Any journalist with the full number plate can walk past and see if it’s parked there.

None of this is illegal or changes the fact there’s an allegation that he was seen in breach of lockdown.

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If he did is the key words. There is no evidence he looked up the plates to find out who it was illegally.

Logic does indicate that. That is if he used the government website that I linked to. Please tell me what retired 70 year is going to have access to such information of finding out who someone is by their licence plate?

You have 4 options here

1 - He accessed information from a Police or DVLA computer at 70 year old and retired

2 - He accessed the government website to check for tax and mot

3 - He accessed the askmid website to check for insurance

4 - He got an image from the Internet

First one I think its safe to rule out. Second one is plausible. Third one is plausible but you shouldn't be doing it and the fourth one is plausible and seems to be what happened.

Can I ask why you seem to want to go for the least likely option?

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2 and 3 don’t tell him who owns the vehicle. A picture of Dominic Cummings next to it outside his house doesn't either, but it’d be incredible if his neighbour was driving about Durham with a lookalike. Again, the police could confirm this with the full number plate.

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5 - he’s giving it a large portion of BS.

Yes I’ll go for no.5

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

So are you not welcoming the police investigation and possibility that the witness gets prosecuted for wasting police time in the unlikely event you are right?

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Ok, that's funny though as you seemed to think he was accessing information from the DVLA.

I don't know who he is so I'm not that bothered. I was responding to the quote Mick put on to someone saying isnt that illegal to look up someone's reg.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Please stop with the poxy licence plate.:banghead:

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

I don’t know, nobody knows.


It is illegal to to obtain somebody’s details via their reg except For authorised reasons. It’s not illegal to look up reg’s on government websites to see if they Have tax or mot.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Which is what I basically said earlier. We've gone full circle for you to agree with me.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

For the love of god, it better. No wonder Paul closed the thread for the night...

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

It all started with this post, when you knew exactly what Mick was on about but wanted to start an unnecessary argument, as you did last night with me.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=254

You are a pedant of the highest degree and this will be my last response to you on the matter.

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So what’s the betting on more sightings coming out? Have the Guardian/Mirror got more cards up their sleeves? Aces or jokers obviously depending where you stand. The police investigation will give negative press coverage for a few days but another sighting would up the ante with Boris all in.

It could be like an appeal for a stolen car.

Have you seen a silver/black Range Rover in beauty spots around the country - if so call Crimestoppers on...

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Dominic Cummings is an out and out hypocrite but even if he’s broken the law I’d be surprised if there’s another law that says he must lose his job.

He is a political appointment. His value is political. So long as Boris calculates his political value remains greater than the political cost of keeping him on, he stays.

Meantime, this unending game of Where’s Dominic is somehow even more tedious than lockdown. Or maybe for some folks it does relieve the boredom. Who knows, who cares.

That’s my 2p anyway.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

THIS

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I know where it started as I answered it.

There was no argument? The quote inside Micks post had a question mark asking if it was illegal. So I answered it correctly saying it depends were he looked for the licence plate.

I'm not sure how that is an argument nor how it makes me a pedant. Any more remarks like that which are personal then I'll just report you.

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This is where it could get interesting - ironically one of the best minds for how it plays out in the public is likely Dom himself.

Do the public get annoyed about it? Unsurprisingly, on this forum the usual Brexit divide and Conservative/other divide has largely held up regardless of the evidence presented by both sides, however we’re all fairly entrenched characters. There have been critical articles in the Times, Telegraph and Spectator on top of the usual suspects. A number of Conservative MPs said he should go and rumours of some of the Cabinet miffed at tweeting support one day to look stupid the next.

Maybe some quiet time in the private sector would do him good, or does anyone know of any other elections on the go this year that could benefit from his... insight?

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

I like the sound of Barnard Castle, sounds nice with the bluebells.... :) Think I might take a trip up there. Lockdown's off apparently.

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This is what I don't understand. How much must he be worth to Boris Johnson for this is be worth it for him?

A lot of the time we overestimate how much people care but this seems like a classic scandal that people have paid attention too. Johnson is risking taking a hit over this.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Dom's got the dirt on Boris. 'Sack me if you dare !' ;)

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

More likely his wife has - she worked with Boris for quite a long time when he was at the Spectator.

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Normally, if Boris was evaluating this kind of decision, he would go to his data analyst who would give him the relevant intelligence from a balanced dataset of 2,000 voters.
However, in this situation, the data analyst - Dominic Cummings - is the subject in question. So Boris Johnson is removed from his more voter-focused decision-making mechanism and has to go by his instincts, which is to support the man who got him into power.

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I certainly am.

Pierre, what about you?

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

even the daily fail turning against him

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYz78-3X...jpg&name=small

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

In depth survey on what London thinks of Dominic Cummings' actions.
https://twitter.com/oliverleith/stat...29762770833411

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Thanks for sharing this.

Whilst some loyalists have been slow in understanding that Dominic Cummings broke any rules, the Daily Mail is clear in declaring that Dominic Cummings "flouted PM's own strict lockdown rules".

This front page to me casts doubts on Cummings' position.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

exactly thats what it about him breaking the rules and government effectively having one rule for the people and one different rule for Cummings

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

I'm not sure anything would surprise us, though any clarification on offspring would be of assistance to the likes of Who's Who. ;)

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

The Daily Mail putting paid to this being a lefty, losery, remoanery conspiracy.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

People underestimate The Daily Mail. They write for their audience and not for the owner. If their read on their audience is that they're angry at the Tories then the Mail will reflect that anger, they're not on some sinister agenda to brainwash them into the political views of Rothermere.

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But it is, partly.

Why the media obsession in Cummings?

Why has someone paid some expense and parked a pickup with large tv screen and parked it outside his house earlier this afternoon?

That is not normal behaviour, it's psychotic, usually attributed to people suffering some kind of derangement syndrome. :rolleyes:

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1. The whole country is not asking that, I'd venture most really dont care that much, and are sick of the subject. :dozey:

2. How can anyone take seriously a paper whose main banner is "Diet that could help you beat corona". :rolleyes:

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

For some it will be, of course. That’s the nature of our adversarial political system, which Cummings, all SpAds and advisers to other political parties are part of. They can’t plead ignorance to the game.

However for some people in the middle it’s just a case that he made an error of judgement and rather than apologise and repent the Government has simply doubled down on it looking ridiculous in the process. You can’t dismiss all opposition to it (on this issue) by party or Brexit any longer.

They could easily have Mandelsoned him and got his input via the back door (pun not intended) on think tanks or consultancies then got him back in the game when tensions lowered.

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I’m sure good health is helpful but 4 pages from the Hairy Bikers maybe not so much. :erm:

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"The whole country" is a figure of speech, it's not literal.

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I wouldn't take it seriously at all anyway but it is the one of the most sold papers in the country .

I think it's caught the attention of the public. At least judging by social media feeds in which people who don't talk about politics suddenly are....

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

So I can safely say then that "The whole country" doesnt give a toss what he did, as its just a figure of speech. :D

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You mean its a Bank Holiday, and everyone is bored and fed up of lockdown, and has nothing better to do. ;)

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

If you had reliable intel to suggest a majority of people felt this way then yes. As Damien says, "If their read on their audience is that they're angry at the Tories then the Mail will reflect that anger..."

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Do thay have reliable intel ? or just their own view.

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I’m sure a straw poll of the forum would probably give a majority ;)

Actually looking at the list of who has posted in this thread it’s quite tight.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

I think if Cummings had early on said he'd panicked and made a mistake due to pressure of work etc and apologised then to the country it would have been a non-issue. Certainly to me, anyway. But he didn't do this.

The current story of one rule for them, another for us plays out against a background io people making incredible sacrifices for the benefit of the nation. And they feel stabbed in the back. The ironical thing is that Cummings would be pleased of such strong and simple messaging. It actually plays to his theme of attacking institutions!

I think this is a prime example of Cummings' flawed genius: he sees apologising and admitting his mistakes as a weakness, so will do anything to avoid doing so. Even if it undermines the Government.

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They've been around since 1896 so they must have or they wouldn't still be in businesss.

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I’m all for due process.

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ROFL.

So thats a no then. :sleep:

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

It's about what sells the newspaper.I think that the Daily Mail knows it's target audience very well.;)

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:tu:

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They've got their reader panels, editorial conferences, surveys, reader comments, reader polls, reader emails, etc. They know how to gauge these matters or they wouldn't still be in business.

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I think that's what makes it particularly hard for those still backing Cummings. They can accept The Mirror and The Guardian voicing such opinions. But when the voice of Middle England - the Daily Mail - voices the same opinion, they know it's a serious wake-up call.

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I think key to any question of being seen a second time (and any subsequent time) will be did he go to London in the interim. If he was still residing in Durham I think given the way the law is phrased: “reasonable excuse“ and the first step being for an officer to ask you to return home it’s a case of “well, we don’t think you should have done that, don’t do it again”. For travelling to Durham in the first instance it’d clearly be unreasonable to make him travel back to London.

It’s always been the case the Government know the law as written, guidance and some statements made don’t 100% match. E.g. Gove said around an hour would be reasonable for exercise. I’m not having a go at Gove, or the Government for that - it’s the nature of emergency legislation - it had to be wooly to pass with consensus (e.g. no human rights challenges etc.) essentially relying on communications to fill the gaps. Something they did reasonably well.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

My feeling is that no more detail is needed on this as far as the public mood is concerned, as it has already made up its mind. It feels let down with differing standards being applied. Cummings may well stay but the Government will suffer for it in the future.

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Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Thread re-opened.

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Those with an IQ lower than their shoe size;)

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Who still get to vote.;)

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Yes, well we mustn't let the facts get in the way of our feelings, must we?

Paragraph 6(2)b of the regulations gave DC the right to do what he did. The newspapers, who I thought had a duty to inform, should be making that clear rather than joining in with the tittle-tattle.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Perhaps she know how many children bozo really has...

Where does it say put your child in an enclosed space for a minimum of four hours with your virus ridden partner? Apparently this was a responsible and understandable thing to do to, I've gone from being milding irritated about this to quite annoyed at the government's response to this, I'll be miffed next at this rate

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It was the instinctive and understandable thing to do...

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

It was no such thing. For some leftie Pratt in the UK CS. Whoever it was, brought what is suppose to be a neutral element of government in to disrepute. The UK Civil Service acts on the Governments instructions and implements them. Not the other way round.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

I don't think anyone genuinely believes it compromises the neutrality of the UK Civil Service. It's clearly one disgruntled, probably junior member of staff from a Comms team whose job is to operate the Twitter account on the weekend.

It won't be anyone meaningfully involved in policy development or implementation. They'll also easily be identifiable and disciplined. Mountain out of a molehill.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

And since it was allegedly on the 19th April, and he had been in London from the 14th April, it was OK for him to drive 260 miles to have this exercise?

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

I think as far as the public goes, it's now made up his mind on this matter. The irony is that Cummings knows exactly how public sentiment works and understands this more than most. If it were anyone else but himself, Cummings would be advising Johnson to ask the adviser to resign or be sacked.

If Boris Johnson had been able to link to the rules in place at the time that Cummings drove to Barnard Castle and Durham permitting these trips then this entire matter would be history.
He couldn't, and I don't think anyone else can or they would have done so by now.

Sky News is compelled by Ofcom to be accurate and impartial. It would have checked carefully with its legal advisors before stating that
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...mings-11994163

I can understand why fans of Dominic Cummings want him to keep him position at all costs - he's sharp, brings a new perspective and delivered Brexit and Boris to power. But at the heart of the matter is that the debacle Cummings generated threatens the success of the lockdown, according to Professor Stephen Reicher. He's a member of the government’s advisory group on behavioural science and told Good Morning Britain:



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To clarify the sighted trips made in addition to Durham:
12th April Barnard Castle. Not denied.
19th April Houghall Woods. Denied.

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I think The Daddy was just bringing some much-needed humour to the thread. :D

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Best sentence in the thread. :)

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Maybe if you actually read what the regulation says, you would understand that he did nothing wrong. That, I believe, is also the conclusion of the police.

However, if there is any truth in the two other allegations about breaking the lockdown, there should be consequences. However, he denies it and the police are investigating. So let's leave that to the police, shall we, or are you a 'string him up first and ask questions later' sort of person?

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No, it wasn't but that isn't what was being discussed. If those two further allegations prove to be correct, that is a completely separate issue.

However, I am sure you have noted that he has not admitted this, whereas he was quick to acknowledge that he took his family to Durham in the first place. The police are investigating, which of course is the right thing to do.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Which examples are you saying he did nothing wrong and quote the relevant sections of the legislation. If he drove a distance where does the regulation describe that as “reasonable”?

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

The Tories who've broken ranks to call for his head are going to be looking over their shoulders if he doesn't...

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Here is a QC with her thoughts on whether Dominic Cummings acted "Responsibly and Legally"?.

https://insights.doughtystreet.co.uk...ly-and-legally

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

You may have missed the post where I explained that.

The last two allegations that have been made are currently under investigation.

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And as we all know, QCs can disagree amongst themselves.

Regulation 6 (2)b seems clear enough to me, and it is also worth pointing out that the clear message was to stay at home 'where possible'. If DC's view was that his child would potentially not have support if he and his wife became very ill with the virus, it made perfect sense to lock down in Durham, where his son could be supported.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Thanks for posting this, it seems pretty clear.

Given the choice of choosing legal advice from anonymous posters or a QC, I hope most forum readers would choose the QC.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Sounds good, any chance of a lift? We could share the petrol.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

"One rule for us, another rule for them" seems to also apply to the baying press.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Although it is entertaining reading the creative attempts from the Conservative supporting members to wish this away, I think Cummings is damaged goods now and by so blatantly lying to the country, Johnson's honeymoon period is officially over.

The lockdown, or rather the rules that are imposed to implement it, will now be ignored or "liberally interpreted" by a growing number of people. Johnson has given them carte blanche to do so.

Here is a letter a recently bereaved individual wrote to his MP in response to yesterday's press briefing:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY2GWV5W...jpg&name=small

His feelings and distress will resonate with a lot of people. The Tories have miscalculated badly on this one ..

If the reports of Cummings making day trips while in Durham are verified, and I think they will be, he is toast anyway ..

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Where was the message “where possible?”. It said if you had symptoms you stay at your main resident - not second homes or alternate accommodation.

I’d absolutely love a Cabinet Minister to get on telly and push these lines. They would increasingly look to be acting in bad faith, at a time they need public trust.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

That applies to those without symptoms, Old Boy. The family had symptoms so should have locked down, no ifs or buts.

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Look out for the blue plaque. :)
https://twitter.com/ClaireAshforth/s...798209/photo/1

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

We're up to 18 Tory Mps now calling for Dom's head...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...d-lead-deaths/. Proud to say one of them is my MP, only decent thing he's done !

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua9QU6RjGcg

The golden thread.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Oops no, make that 19, increasing by the minute ! ;)

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

I thought he was suppose to be "toast" anyway way before all this began, the vilifying of him and his family, hounding outside him home is a an absolute disgrace and I don't give a toss which side of the fence people sit on, it should not be happening, period, you got dick head journalists ignoring social distancing outside of his home too, bunch of pathetic hypocrites, asking him why he "apparently" broke lockdown rules when he did not, but they are clearly doing so!!!

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

It's a shame really. Such a talent lost when if they'd been open and transparent, with an apology the chances are the Daily Mail wouldn't be frothing at the mouth and MPs would be annoyed but kept on board.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Yes it is a shame really people like you, have got this wrong, when no rules were broken. The safeguarding of the child came first and was the necessity. The second trip being suggested is conjecture no doubt by activists. "I saw a man that looked like Cummings."

Means Jack shit. Pathetic. :rolleyes:

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

He hasn't gone anywhere the talent is still in da house.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

It's now 20 Tory MPs. At this rate it'll be a full house by tea time.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

I'm not convinced no rules were broken. It's a police matter and I'm happy to leave it up to them.

You do realise the police investigate witness statements all the time - it's a staple of any criminal investigation and then they go on to corroborate the whereabouts of the person who 'may have been seen'. I don't know why you find it so objectionable - I get that you feel you have to defend him at at all costs but is he always above criticism?

It's unhealthy to beatify politicians and their advisers in such a manner.

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For now. There comes a point where that's untenable if the story goes on for much longer. 20 MPs are just those above the parapet.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

Also at least one of those trips outside of Durham is not being denied....

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

That one was outside of his 14 day quarantine. So what is this now?

He's not allowed to walk, do exercise like 70 Million other people in the UK were allowed to do?

This is a witch hunt pure and simple because it all boils down to who he is, the architect of Brexit.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

No 10 confirm Dominic Cummings will make a statement this afternoon and take questions later.

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1264884107558993922

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

I do not give a shit if was 100 Tory MPs.

Cummings did nothing wrong and noone in this topic has raised a valid legal argument as to why they think he did, when he had a child to safeguard which overrides everything else!

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

It actually doesn't, and that's a dubious interpretation of extreme circumstances when they told other families to self isolate at their primary residence for 14 days.

Unfortunately there are views being clouded by Brexit here but it's not mine or those on the Daily Mail comments page. For us it's about trust.

Edit: the bold Dom making a statement and taking questions later today. This will be one for the popcorn. Will he apologise?

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

It actually does!

Nothing you say alters the facts, he broke no rules or laws-period, he had a very valid excuse and that was safeguarding of a child. That came first!

The bullshit rest about being seen here and there, is utter bollocks and I do not believe it, nor do I think the hounding of a man outside his home, with stupid ********* with a pickup with large tv screen puts those trying to bully and persecute a man, in any good moral high ground, just because of who he is.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

So you don't think the police should investigate legitimate concerns of a member of the public because it might incriminate Dominic Cummings?

I'm not inclined to defend journalists or anyone parking annLCD screen outside his house for entertainment value. Maybe he should complain and see if the police want to investigate public order offences. I'd welcome that.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

I have zero problem with an investigation so long as all the journalists outside his house get investigated, for breaching social distancing measures, all the other people who went to the beach last weekend and didn't social distance, all the other people ignoring social distancing measures with 20+ people barbecues, there was several houses in a road near to me having a house party the week before last.

Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 

That's unusual for someone who is not an MP member of the cabinet or even member of the conservative party.