Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

More good news for Sir Keir
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/s...abour-1.500815

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

It certainly looks like we are beginning to finally get a credible opposition, which can only be good for politics as a whole.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

One needs a credible strong opposition for the simple fact democracies function far better for it.

The Opposition's main role is to question the government of the day and hold them accountable to the public.

Its important the government of the day is scrutinised and there is constructive criticisms of government.

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They key is CONSTRUCTIVE. I think Keir Starmer is likely to do a good job at that though I would never vote Labour. Part of CONSTRUCTIVE that is too often missing is actually what that word is about, building up. It's not just pointing out where you think the opposition is wrong but suggesting alternatives which may not simply be the opposite of what is proposed.

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If he promises to be less stupid and more competent than Boris he's on to a winner ! ;) It's not a high bar to reach...

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

You keep forgetting that the 'stupid and incompetent' Boris was voted in by the public, so are you insinuating (along with others) that over 60% of the people interested enough to vote are stupid too?

That leads to the thinking that if the majority of the UK population who have an interest in politics are stupid, why do we bother with a voting system?

Why don't we just let those who desire to be PM fight it out by competing against each other in a few tests? They could all play a chess tournament, do Sudoku puzzles, the Times crossword, and appear on Mastermind . . . overall winner takes it all.

. . . or we could just let those who gather the most cash pay for the position :D

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Just because he was less incompetent than Corbyn, doesn’t mean he isn’t incompetent, just the lesser of two weevils... ;)

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

but "60% of the people interested enough to vote" did not vote for the Tories, only 43.6% did so your point is invalid.

In fact the majority of voters who exercised a preference voted against the Tories.

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Just shows how ridiculous the system is then
:D

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Most people vote for someone else and you win by a landslide, not a bad days work:)

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Boris Johnson seems to think that Prime Minister's Questions is when the Prime Minister asks questions of Sir Keir. It's not, but Sir Keir still gets the better of him! :D
https://twitter.com/Independent/stat...87007730409472

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I can only suggest that you watched a different version to the one i witnessed today, stammer was clearly frustrated by the way boris danced around his pathetic attempts to look relevant.

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Starmer seemed confused by the question. Name a country with a working app . . . . Germany 12 million downloads

12 million people may have downloaded it to their phones, that doesn't mean that it's working.

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I know that you swear by the great picture quality of RT but other news channels are available. ;)

Is BoJo asking Sir Keir the questions to give practice for when he replaces him?

Here's another report on Sir Keir's winning performance today. It's from Sky News and shows how rattled BoJo is that he starts to make fatuous claims about other countries' apps.
Coronavirus: Boris Johnson under fire for 'dodgy' claim about other countries' tracking apps

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Anyone remotely intelligent should be confused by that daft question given that Australia, France, Germany, Latvia, Singapore and South Korea and doubtless other nations all have working apps.
Promised a world-beating app in June by BoJo, we just pissed £12m up the wall on a non-working app which pretty much everyone on this forum said would fail and are now looking at the Winter for one.

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*cough*

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...actually-work-


https://fullfact.org/health/coronavi...boris-johnson/

so . . not 100% effective then :)

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

None of that contradicts what I've said.

Not only do we not have a functioning app, we do not even have a functioning prime minister! :D

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yep, was just trying to fit in by spouting political unconscious bias . .



. . or whatever the catchphrase of the week is

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

And we have Rumpole of the bailey leading the opposition.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

And scrutinising and asking questions of the government which is of course what opposition parties are supposed to do.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

He asks a question and Boris answers with something not even remotely related to it,he's just being played with.

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That is because Boris Johnson has little grasp of detail and his falsehoods unravel pretty quickly but of course you know that anyway.;)

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I know Rumpole is out of his comfort zone and out of his depth,but you also know that.

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I think the shine has gone off his nice new job..It's proving harder to do than he expected..too much work.;)

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It must be a parallel universe where you blame the person asking the question for the ill-informed answers of the person answering them! :D

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Well if someone asks me a question they already know the answer to, and phrases it in a way they think makes them look 'clever', I normally answer with a load of crap that throws them off their next question ;)

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BREAKING: Labour leader, Keir Starmer has sacked Rebecca Long Bailey from shadow cabinet.

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-...ticle-12014698

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Getting rid of Rebecca Wrong Daily ... smart move.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

He stated that he had zero tolerance for anti-Semitism and quite clearly he meant it.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

This is leadership. Set a policy and act quickly and decisively.

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You're blessed with knowing the answer to the question. Our glorious leader isn't. ;)

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Rumpole gets rid of the old Bailey -priceless :rofl:

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Will help isolate him from the charge of antisemitism within Labour.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Like Boris did with Brexit you mean ;)

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Let's take a look at today's Brexit-supporting Express. What does it have to say?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...Barnier-update

So we see Sir Keir honouring his pledge today to be intolerant of anti-Semitism. And we see BoJo breaking his pledge and scrapping the July deadline.

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But it was supposed to be a oven ready Brexit deal according to Boris.;)

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Removing her from the shadow cabinet does not remove an anti-semite from the party.

If wan kier had any balls or real intent she would have been removed from the party. :)

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We saw Rumpole jump at the chance to dump old Bailey a true Corbynista,so she can be replaced by a hand picked crony.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

You don't have to look far to find the most recent crony.;)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ans-ahead.html

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...in-them/25/06/

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Shhh, don't dis the Tories...

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Deflection Den :shrug:,No one is going to fall for that old trick,any way it just goes to show the Jew haters are still there in the Liebour party,he's just moved her to the back row to carry on plotting.

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Indeed as you are getting quite good at it...;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=320

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=322

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There are haters be them Jewish , Islamic , etc , etc in more then one political party in this country and personally l have a zero tolerance to any of it as it should be rooted out of all political parties in this country.

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Does it matter if what she said was anti Semitic or not? As I understand it she said mossad had been training American police, even if that is unture is it anti Semitic or is criticism of the Israeli government and it's apparatus now anti Semitic as their government always hoped.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

It's the fact they immediately go to Israel again. It's not anti-semitic to criticise Israel but is something goes wrong in the world it's their fault again to some. Always Israel.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I won't support Labour all the while they defend Israeli tactics in the West Bank and against Palestinians.If that makes me Anti -Semitic then so be it.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

There's a very good explanation here of why it is antisemitic and why RLB should have known it was.
https://twitter.com/Sara_Rose_G/stat...71378044125189

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But that isn't what happened. What happened was she retweeted as the baseless claim that Israel thought the police the move that killed Floyd and Baily refused to back down.

Incidentally, Amnesty International has denied they ever claimed this and Peake herself has corrected herself.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Maxine Peake is an odious hard leftie, and a former member of the Communist party of GB, prone to making ridiculous statements and really oughtn’t to be casually re-tweeted by anyone, ever.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

As Matt Forde notes


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But she did lead to the last Corbynista being sacked from the front bench so she has her uses. :D

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Agreed, but to be fair*, so was Munira Mirza, Director of the Number 10 Policy Unit... :D

*for complete accuracy, Peake was a member of the Communist Party of Britain, whilst Mirza was a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain (Marxist-Leninist), but to anyone outside the arcane, convoluted and ever-splitting world of the British Communist Community, two cheeks of the same arse.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

While we're at Starmer can't have been too pleased with the article itself saying anyone who didn't vote Labour voted Tory. Not only is it wrong but it also buys into the toxic notion held by some in the party that voting Tory is a sin beyond redemption.

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That sort of sentiment is pretty common on social media ... it’s been common enough on more traditional discussion platforms like this one for many years. What’s changed specifically with regards to the Labour Party is that the hard left got close enough to power for long enough that there are people in high-profile positions in the parliamentary party who lack the sense to differentiate between their own party’s lunatic fringe and mainstream sentiment. Wrong-Daily, I think, just saw something that 1. Slagged off Tories; 2. Bigged up Labour; and 3. Said something suitably woke about BLM. Beyond that I doubt she’s sufficiently well connected to the real world to understand, even now, what was so wrong with it.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

That's also why they're reacting with great shock now. They're so used to crackpot theories being acceptable that to be called out on them feels unfair.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Very good actress though. There are also lots of odious hard 'righty' people around....

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Yup, and Question Time proves, week in, week out, that just because someone’s a great actor, doesn’t mean their political views should be elevated above those of the hundred or so voters in the plebs seats.

Also, that’s “whataboutery”. ;)

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Looks like the hard left within the party have backed off their outrage for now anyway, probably dawned on them that rebelling because Starmer took firm action on anti-semitism would be an awful look for them and a fight they’ll would lose.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

That doesn’t seem to have stopped them in the past. There was a petition doing the rounds earlier, demanding Starmer reinstate her. It was close to 15,000 signatures.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I wonder how many of those were Conservative Party supporters? ;)

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I know of several who have already left the Labour party.They are going to be looking elsewhere to place their vote.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

This was the Leader column in one of the National newspapers today - can you guess which one?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1593269914

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Typeface looks like the Mail, whose particular interest would be in slagging off Dirty Desmond.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I think it's the daily no one cares,ohh look a green bunny rabbit riding a bicycle.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Another test for Sir Keir with the claim from Shadow Environment Minister Lloyd Russell-Moyle that JK Rowling was 'using her own sexual assault' to justify her views on transgender issues.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lt-ordeal.html

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Lets get burning them Harry Potter books that'll learn her;)

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Don't they have anything important to report? :rolleyes:

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Noooooooooooooo! They can't do that now.

Look! North Korea lauds Harry Potter

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Keir Starmer has started the clearout, one wonders how deep this will go?

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Out of court hush money,labour still leaves a bad taste in the mouth,but he's done what lawyers do settle and keep it quiet.

Starmer faces mutiny from Corbyn allies after whistleblower apology

An army of supporters of Sir Keir Starmer’s predecessor Jeremy Corbyn have hit out after Labour agreed to pay "substantial damages" and issued an unreserved apology over "defamatory and false allegations" made following a BBC Panorama investigation
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...y-antisemitism

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AKA an out of court settlement that I and many others have sensibly accepted on occasion.

Going to court there is a risk, however small, that you could lose. In addition, the court will want to know that all attempts to settle out of court have been exhausted before resorting to court action as a last resort. Out of court settlements also avoid legal costs for both parties, with the inherent risk that they may not be able to be claimed back.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Jezza thought they could win but starmer just caved in and paid up.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Starmer is not Corbyn as l thought you would have realised that by now....

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Not much of a lawyer either if he folds before the case gets to court.

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Or....

Enough of a lawyer (you know, being a QC) to know they were going to lose the case, and just rack up larger legal bills.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Fan club right on cue with the defense ;)

Maybe it was an ambulance that was not worth chasing eh

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Not a big fan of Starmer, but a big fan of reality-based decision making.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

gotta agree with Hugh, either:

apologise, pay some (hush) money and walk away

or

take it to court, possibly open up a can of worms, run the risk of losing, then pay double the amount of money for the privilege of having egg on your face ;)

no brainer really

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

No its not a fan club as his job as opposition leader to to scrutinise the government of the day which is a job he is doing much better then the previous leader..

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Really i thought you were ex military:)

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If you’re going to denigrate someone, at least try to base it on what actually happens - he’s a barrister, not a solicitor, so must adhere to the "cab rank" rule (it’s one of the basic tenets of British Law, to ensure legal representation is equitable).

But don’t let facts get in the way of your bile...

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Yup - Intelligence Analyst; find the information, validate the information, collate and summarise the information, then present the information with recommendations.

Your jibe just shows your lack of knowledge...

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I can't help thinking this should have been a whole new thread..

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Labour civil war: McCluskey 'in plot to OUST Starmer' - There's 'union anger!

Hard-left union baron Len McCluskey squeezed Labour's funding after splits with the leadership. Unite cut its affiliation money by 10 per cent in a row over the direction the party is moving in. Mr McCluskey warned Sir Keir Starmer he will hold back more cash if Labour shifts too far to the political centre-ground.

Sources in the union claimed Sir Keir and his leadership team are “just not listening” and warned there is a “lot of anger” among members.


Well that didn't take long did it.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-len-mccluskey

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

With zero policies how does anyone know which way labour are headed? :shrug:

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I think Sir Keir has learnt from Vote Leave - don't set out your policies in any more detail than you absolutely have to, or they can be torn apart.

For the time being, Labour means Labour.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Those on the inside will be aware. There will have been policy development forums and the like by now. The fact they’re not publishing policies right now is just good politics. The election is years away, and the spotlight isn’t on Labour because of Covid. They have time, they might as well use it.

Starmer isn’t an idiot and it won’t have escaped his attention that Labour’s only truly successful period, elections wise, was when it occupied a broadly centrist position under Blair. He will fight for a return to something like that because he knows he won’t close the gap on the Tories otherwise. Red Len on the other hand has a cushy job for life and can afford to burnish his socialist credentials without much professional risk.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Remainers vow to abandon Labour after party pledges it will not fight to rejoin EU
REMAINERS have vowed to abandon the Labour Party after it pledged not to fight to rejoin the European Union.

Yesterday, Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, set out Labour’s Brexit policy stating the UK will not rejoin the EU under a Labour government.


Looks like sir kier is not for rejoining.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...r-keir-starmer

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

2024 is too early to campaign to rejoin, even the Liberal Democrats agree on that.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

So rejoiners have nowhere to go politically then,they are wandering in the wilderness.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Depends on what their other politics are. I don't think people who voted Remain or Leave or solely defined by one referendum.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

A bit sparse at this time.

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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Keir Starmer might be a good many things to different people but one thing he is not is politically stupid.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

What kind of stupid would you say he was then?

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

l will let you answer that given you are the great political sage of this forum.;)

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

That’s true, Den. It’s a shame he’s so boring, though, which will be a major handicap at election time.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Boring wins over incompetence OB. As it will in the US shortly.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Exactly. I prefer my clowns to be in the circus ring, not in power.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Keir Starmer mocked for 'captain indecision' Covid dithering: 'Labour has NO leadership'


KEIR STARMER has been labelled "Captain Indecision" by a senior Tory over his position on the 10pm curfew imposed by Boris Johnson's Government.

Amanda Milling, MP and Chair of the Conservatives, shared a tweet from the party mocking Labour for taking three different positions on Covid in the last week. The original tweet read: “Keir Starmer & Labour have had 3 positions on the 10pm curfew all in a single week: They’ve supported it. They’ve opposed it. Now they’re not sure.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...9-Labour-party

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That's a pretty great irony given this government has been consistently incompetent , indecisive and made countless U-turns in the last 6 months.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/the-n...oken-promises/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9568956.html

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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

We the public encourge this behaviour though. How many times on this very forum do we get people picking up the batton of their preferred politician despite the fact we likely have more in common with each other than we do with Starmer, Johnson or Farage? How many times do we regurgitate some focus-group tested talking points one of them of come up with?

Politicans get away with so much just by convincing us they're on 'our' side against those who are not. Families, friends and communities at each others throats as a result when really they're not that far apart.

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The Express begging for Starmer to oppose the Government on Covid. No point. Why intervene when your opponent is making mistakes?

It's a long way to 2024. Cameron was mocked for years for not having policies as opposition leader. No point in showing your hand now.