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I would love it if the Q story line rolled over into season 3 and it is that which gets the whole TNG crew involved. I would actually regard that as a stroke of genius so i cant see it happening.

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It ended better than I expected.

Also I didn't expect that cameo!

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Ditto. It had its redeeming qualities. I was hoping they were going to bring you know who back at some point but as it wasnt announced it was a lovely surprise. I am glad they are getting rid of the new cast to make way for the old but they have kept the person around who annoys me the most and it is a token gesture for the lgbtq community.

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Yep, the woke/pc/lgqxzt+- brigade have now got to Picard.
Another long established character suddenly & inexplicably turned into a lesbain for the sake of it. *sigh*

I assume the "threat" referred to will be the plot of season 3.
Although it seems the new Borg queen will not be in it, sadly, Raffi will.

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great, another one gone


hopefully they will find a way to get rid of her early on. She may the sacrificial lamb in first episode which causes Picard to get the crew back because he hasn't got anyone else. I think think they conveniently got rid of Elnor as well with him being placed on another ship.

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They could have done the whole story in at most a 2-parter.

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Well I though it it was great.

The “woke”…….not really, moment, has been telegraphed since S1, so not a massive surprise.

The Troy McClure “cameo”, hi I’m ********* and you may know me from…………… it was a good job they did that otherwise I’d have no idea who he was.


However, I do recall the “Traveller” from a TNG episode, so I assume that’s the link.

It was a great episode, even quite emotional between Q and Picard.

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exactly

you aren't going to believe this but my realism factor agrees with you. Out of all the characters in all the tv series in existence if anyone was going to be lesbian or even non-binary it would be Seven and I am happy with it because it makes sense. She literally started with a blank slate and had to discover herself. It makes sense that she would try different people (like food) and works out what she likes and what makes her happy. I have no problem with her being bi (thinking about previous relationship with Chakotay), lesbian or eventually non-binary.

Now that she has got some of her Borg aesthetic back I would like to see more of her traditional Borgy side in season 3 like her nano tubes

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They really couldn’t have. The bare bones of this season are the ‘fix the past’ plot, which is a Star Trek staple but in this case most akin to Star Trek IV, a feature length story which itself has a 2 hour running time (ie a fraction more than 2 episodes). There was, however, a heck of a lot more going on here. The Picard backstory, the Guinean backstory, the Soong/Khan backstory, the Borg alliance story, the Q mortality/Picard relationship story … each one of these was an episode’s worth. They’ve been wrapped up in a single, serialised adventure which perhaps obscures the fact a little; back in the 1980s and 90s each of these topics might have been given a self-contained 40 minute episode where it really would have been rushed.

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We're going to have to disagree. I sincerely believe it's not done the franchise any favours.

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Not.

Your problem (or so it seems to me) is that you expected there to be a very rigid, straightforward plot line from the opening sequence aboard USS Stargazer which resolved the central mystery with as little fuss as possible. As long as it looks and sounds good enough to be immersive your realism factor is satisfied.

What they actually did was come up with as many different stories as you would have found in 10 episodes of TNG, then wove them together into one story. It was messy and overlapping and altogether more realistic than normal life on TV where characters only ever face one neat, self-contained problem per week.

Pervert … :D

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I have no need for you to agree with me. ;)

It has set up a whole third season and seeded any number of potential spin-offs, right at the time when the owner of the property is launching a new streaming service and is looking for programming ideas. I think it’s done the franchise a whole ton of favours.

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Well looking at Rotten Tomato, the critics have the same view as you and generally approve. Shame the same can't be said for the audience scores. Link

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quite the opposite. I love multiple plot lines like Game of Thrones, The Expanse and even Dr Strange today. What I hate is shoddy writing and trying to introduce new story arcs for the sake of padding out an episode or season and dealing with them properly. I like deep rich worthwhile stories which are proper resolved.

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I don’t pay too much attention to internet polls. They’re infinitely vulnerable to what, in the good old days, would have been called a letter-writing campaign.

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Which is exactly what we got. It just seems that they weren’t the story arcs that you wanted.

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it's not creation of the story arc per se (e.g. Q) that I have a problem with, it is what they do with it once they have opened the proverbial can of worms. If they start something they need to make sure they finish it properly and do justice to the character and not do something like the flipping Arrowverse and say "oooo look at all these stories and characters we have got going on at the same time and there is no substance to any of it". You can throw all the money you want at the production and it can look great but without good writers and good story it is all style and no substance.

When you have only got 8-10 episodes in a season everything should be meticulously mapped and scrutinised to ensure you are making the most of the time and the entire story is fully fleshed out with no stone left unturned. The stupid argument which has been thrown around for the last 2 years with regards to streaming versus traditional programming is quality of quantity but with a few exceptions, I just don't see it, definitely not story wise.

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Definitely not.
However, they could have cut it down a little bit, maybe what in total would have amounted to an episodes worth in the middle.

He was easy to recognise if you watched 'The Big Bang Theory', in which he made a number of appearances.

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There’s a couple of Star Trek threads but I’ll put this here.

I don’t know if it’s been posted here before, but I am currently watching the first episodes of a Star Trek documentary series called “Centre Seat - 55 years of Star Trek” on prime. Free with ads. And it’s very good. Your welcome.

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Does it cover all the series and films and do they do interviews with the cast? If you like it you need to check out a documentary they did for DS9 called What We Left Behind. It was made by Ira Behr who was the showrunner. It is so good i wish they would do one of similar style for TNG and Voyager. If i win the euromillions tomorrow it us on my to do list.

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For TNG they really already did that on the Season One remastered Blu Ray extras. Not sure if it's legally available on digital streaming though.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki...ext_Generation
You also got the less sanitised history in Chaos on the Bridge

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki..._on_the_Bridge
But as neither DS9 or Voyager got the remastered treatment they didn't have the option to do any of that, and is the reason for the DS9 crowdfunded version.

So Voyager is also now getting a crowdfunded documentary https://voyagerdocumentary.com

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Fantastic, that is how the DS9 one got made. I cant wait.

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Episode list is here.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1576673...f_=tt_eps_sn_1

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thanks. I have got it and will be watching them all over the next couple of days. I'll report back.

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finished watching and I enjoyed it although it is not what I expected. It definitely focuses more on the negative aspects of production of the entire franchise. I learnt lots of knew things though, especially about TOS and the movies which were before my time I really enjoyed the last ep though which focused more on the positive aspects.

I know I mentioned it above but everyone should really check out What We Left Behind which is a crowd funded DS9 documentary made by the showrunner Ira Behr. It is very much a love letter to DS9 and when you come away from watching it the only thing you are thinking about is that you wish you had the money to give them to make an eighth season.

The good news is that the team behind What We Left Behind are in the middle of making a Voyager equivalent so I can't wait for that.

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Well, just seen a scene in a trailer for S3 where Lore, is a participant!

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Well Ep1, not too shabby!

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Yes, I watched it last night, looks like the final season should be good.

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Fecking brilliant, and they closed it with the theme from ST:First Contact, which is one of my favourites.

Loved the MCU style graphics over the principal credits. I’m wondering whether there are clues in there as to what comes next.

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According to some of the online reviews I've read the whole episode is chock full of Easter eggs, including many in the end credits, some of which look like they foreshadow events to come.
A great first episode for the new season. I hope they can keep it up.

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Yeah there were loads, including Picard’s flute from the Inner Light (S5, E25), the Enterprise-D painting that Picard kept in his ready room, lots of bits and pieces in Crusher’s lab are things she had in her quarters or sick bay on board Enterprise D, and for reasons not yet clear she’s listening to log recordings from The Best of Both Worlds and Encounter at Farpoint. From a universe-expanding point of view there are a couple of interesting developments, including the Myriad codec which turns out to be a ruse from an Enterprise-D mission never actually shown on TV (said to have occurred on Rigel VII, which was the main location for the original series pilot, The Cage, which was also never shown on TV), and the Hellbird virus, said to been deployed against the Enterpise-D by the Borg during the Best of Both Worlds (S3 E26 & S4 E1) though never actually depicted in those episodes.

From a design aesthetic point of view, there are some nice nods back to the Wrath of Khan/Search for Spock/Voyage Home films in costume (especially Crusher’s wide collared jacket), phaser design and even the rectangular nacelles installed on USS Titan-A, which is also said to be Neo-Constitution class (refit) vessel; in the movies Enterprise and Enterprise-A were Constitution class (refit) vessels.

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What I didn't understand was in Generations the only thing Picard took from the wreckage of Enterprise D was his photo album yet all these bits and bobs turn up from his ready room.

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Don’t think about it……too…..hard.

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Don’t assume there wasn’t a proper salvage detail despatched to the wreckage later either. The saucer section survived largely intact. The rescue ships that responded to the mayday will have waited long enough to collect survivors and essentials but they wouldn’t have had the time or the space to collect absolutely everything that could be collected.

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Also, further Easter egg - Rachel Garrett was captain of the ill-fated Enterprise NCC-1701-C, as seen in S3 E15, ‘Yesterday’s Enterprise’.

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I’ve just finished watching it again.

Raffi is looking for something stolen from the “Daystrom Institute” which is where the primitive Data model B4 was held.

The trailer for Picard S3, had Lore in it. Has Lore rescued his brother?

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Lore himself was dismantled at the end of “Descent” part 2 (S7 E1) and was possibly transferred to the Daestrom Institute at some later date.

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It’s geek heaven.

As long as the story is good………I’ve got a feeling they’re doing this for the fans. I think this is going to be the Star Trek version of “Skyfall”.

In the end credits sequence Voyager was highlighted, Seven also referenced Janeway. Brent Spiner is definitely back as an android.

The Borg will definitely be involved ( based on last season as federation allies)

You’d think they’d do the decent thing and drop 3 episodes at a time!

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I understand that there must have been a salvage operation but things don't make sense.

Take the relics Dr Crusher has, hypo spray etc, they would have been in sickbay which was located at the lower of the saucer section of Enterprise D which took most of the impact of the crash landing. Surely she didn't give the salvage team a list of nic naks to pick up from a destroyed sickbay for keep sakes.

I love Star Trek to bits but I also like things that make sense.

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Yes, but what you’re doing there is setting it up to fail. You’re speculating that sick bay was too badly damaged - that wasn’t seen on screen so we can’t know that. All we can know is that the saucer was properly salvaged because artefacts have since appeared in the possession of their owners, and in the case of items from sick bay clearly it did survive.

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Its obvious that sickbay would have been to badly damaged, we see Dr Crusher evacuating sickbay as they were falling and if the upper decks were totalled then the decks that took most of the impact would have been.

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Lets get back to the topic shall we.

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Whether it’s good storytelling to have items from Enterprise-D show up in Picard *is* the topic, surely? Or part of it at least. :confused:

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We are just pointing out possible holes in the storyline, as Chris said surely this is on topic.

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Anyhoo, I’m really looking forward to what’s to come. According to the trailers we’re getting to meet Worf, Geordi and also the Holodeck Moriarty who became self aware and almost took over the Enterprise-D in the second season episode ‘Elementary Dear Data’ and reappeared in season six in ‘Ship in a bottle’. A reference in Picard to ‘Sherlock Holmes Program 3A’ might be the giveaway for when he’s going to show up.

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This new son of Crusher, i read somewhere he maybe Picards son to is there any truth to this?

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Beverley Crusher cut off all contact with Picard and the others 20 years ago, and suddenly a son who looks about 20 years old shows up - so I’d say as fan theories go it’s a decent one :D

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The actor is 34, so he's doing well :D

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Cue, the future series of "Young Picard"

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Ah, well there’s the answer then.

In-universe and in real life, Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 2 aired/occurred 34 years ago. The season Dr Crusher missed because she was spending a year ‘working at Starfleet Medical’. She left without fanfare and returned without comment after a year away.

They didn’t start developing the on-screen relationship between Crusher and Picard until much later, however there is a first season episode, The Naked Now (S1 E3) in which … well … this happened:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2023/02/2.jpg

The Naked Now is a sequel to an original series episode, The Naked Time, so if that’s where they’ve taken this they are very deep into backstory indeed. :D

(In real life Gates McFadden wasn’t getting on with the show’s lead writer and had really left the series, until the producers managed to coax her back).

*If* any of this is close to the mark, Crusher cut off contact with her former Enterprise friends when her son entered his mid-teens and presumably, if he’d been adopted away, managed to track her down, demand her attention or something of the sort.

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Crushers new son is way to good looking to be Picards son tho.

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Superb again. Won’t indulge in spoilers as it’s only just dropped, except to say the very last note of the musical score in this episode refers back to a similar scene in Wrath of Khan.

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I wasn’t as enthralled this week. It was alright.

But I found every scene with Raffi (apart from the obvious) as an entertainment vacuum.

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Really enjoyed it this week too.

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I'm sure there is a point to her storyline, but its painfully slow & boring atm, spoiling otherwise excellent episodes.

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What I'm hoping for is some epic effects of ship to ship battle.

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Really liked this weeks episode.
series baddies revealed?

Shapeshifters a plenty

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They heard you and delivered in spades. That new weapon on board the Shrike is quite something.

I think I’m kind of relieved they went for the simpler explanation re Picard’s son, making him early 20s rather than late 30s in age. A Naked Now/Starfleet Medical retcon would have been fun but maybe just a bit much.

Worf as a freelancer working for Federation security services is a great development for him. And the oblique reference to Odo was a nice touch.

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For a weekly series people want to watch and discuss as it drops I think it’s simpler to put the spoiler warning in the thread title (which I have now done).

I’ll give folks time to spot it, then remove your spoiler tags later. [Already done]

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I've removed the tag now.
It should be plainly obvious that these topics are going to have spoilers in them.
There is no need for spoiler tags, if you dont want to be "spoilt", dont read them until you have watched the latest episode.

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Or maybe not?
Mysterious face thing in No Win Secnario.

Glad this series has kept going at a good rate. The 2 previous seasons started out well but had started to go off track by now. Hopefully keeps it up.

Kept thinking Worf was going to feature somehow, maybe next week.

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The focus on the Enterprise Titan this week was good. I do actually like the other end of the plot with Raff and Worf pursuing some veiled threat, but as the peril began to build in the nebula last week the regular cut away to their scenes became quite jarring and spoiled the tension a bit. It was definitely the right thing to keep the focus on the Enterprise Titan this week.

Once they’ve finished Picard as a series, it will be a crime against Sci Fi if Jeri Ryan doesn’t get her own series.

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It was certainly a good episode again, and it does seem like maybe the changelings are being controlled by some other baddie(s).

Would be nice. :)

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Hear, hear ! :)

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Would be interested to see the Jem'Hadar play a part or even a trip to DS9 and even a trip to the Gamma Quadrant

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It's a shame René's no longer with us. It'd be good to have a trip to the Gamma Quadrant and a guest appearance by Odo.

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He made a brief appearance on one of the tablets (displaying information about the changlings) during the last episode.

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Unless we get some CGI that'll probably be as close as we'll get.

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He was also in Star Trek Prodigy, using archive audio (along with a few others, like Spock, Scotty & Uhura).

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Only watched the first couple of episodes but looks like you've convinced me to get caught up.

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That was one of the best hours of Star Trek, of any vintage.

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Agreed,and has left me wondering who is Worf's handler?

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Ben Sisko would be cool and fall in with Shapeshifters and the Dominion. Would like to see Miles O'Brien too at some point

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I thought they showed that was Commander Ro Laren ?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ro_Laren

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And I only watched it on Friday afternoon :shocked:

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This week's is by far the best episode yet. Don't think I'll spoil anything by saying so many old Star Trek favourites, even flashbacks and Attack Tribbles. So much in it I can see me watching it again as there'll be loads of subtle things I've missed. Superb.

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Even James T Kirk ;)

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Flipping brilliant.

Can’t believe someone was reckless enough to build another Genesis device though!

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I've been wondering about that scene. There was the attack tribble and the genesis device, but what or who was the x-ray type image?

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It appears Kirks remains are stored there same as they have Picards

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1679695040

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Good spot, maybe that's what Paul was meaning? I admit I missed the name and thought he was talking about the Enterprise.

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Thats exactly what I was referring to. :)

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Great episode. Good angle on how to resurrect Data.

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So they took Picard's body (latest mcguffin) and they still really want Jack Crusher. It looked like his visions had meant something but now that was just a mental illness and has been treated away. What is actually going on? I'm sure we'll find out in episode 8, just hope it's not a let down.

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Could it perhaps be some sort of interaction with The Prophets from the wormhole between Alpha and Gamma quadrants from DS9

There is also talk about it possibly even be Wesley Crusher contacting him as he is a Traveller

There is always a chance it has nothing to do with the Irumodic Syndrome passed to him by Picard

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From one of the Star Trek FB pages

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1680114203

"critically injured"???

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Another good episode this week.

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So much win :tu:

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A bit slow at times, but the story is getting interesting.

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I thought there were 8 episodes in the series but I now see it's 10. Was expecting a finale in ep 8 but its not. There are some wins but cliff-hanger, what's behind the red door? surely to be revealed next week. Nice way to have Data win his internal struggle, I realised what he was doing but somehow super clever Lore couldn't see it. Anyway the story can move on. I've been thinking the shadow blob face the changeling was talking to sounded like a Borg, probably totally wrong, but they have been talking about Picard being Borg a lot in the series so far. It's all they ever talk about with Picard since it happened in TNG.

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The voice controlling the Changelings sounds borg to me too. Picard passed nanobots so his son and he is connected to some kind of collective away from the Queen in the last season. Well that is what I think anyway either that or the DS9 prophets

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According to the show runner Terry Matalas there are no borg this season.

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What a ride that was. Can not wait till next week

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The only thing that spoiled it was I've been trying to watch it since just gone 9am!! Do people I work with not know Thursday mornings are a no go area for me?

Think I can say this without giving too much away - Commander Shelby.

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Superb episode, and so cool to see them all back on the Enterprise.

They even played the TNG theme tune in the end credits. :)

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He lied.

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He did indeed.

Great episode though and gutted there is only 1 left.

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So what did Worf do to the Enterprise- E?

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Whatever it was, it was not his fault…

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Majel Barrett's voice was used for the D. She died in 2008. Nice touch.

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Before she died, she recorded a load of voice phonetics so they can use these to use her voice in future episodes.

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I haven't seen episode 9 yet.


But I wonder if the changlings have dominated the borg?

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Well I’m sure all ST fans are a bit moist after watching that!

All of the series that have been since TNG ended, and the old guard come along and show exactly how it should be done. Just brilliant.

A few notes/ thoughts no spoiler tags………..






















1. Good to see Commander Shelby again!

2. Sounded like Alice Krige, the original Borg Queen.

3. But……..what about Dr Jurati? When last seen (a decade ago apparently) she was Borg Queen and they wanted to be part of the federation……or are we to forget that…..or will she return? But strange no mention of her and her Borg.

4. I liked Captain Shaw.

5. Is the face that Vadic talked to, the Borg Queen? Or is there another party we don’t know about?

A lot to sort out in the last episode, I hope it’s feature length!

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2. Yes that was Alice voicing the Borg queen.

3. It was mentioned by Shaw about the weird shiz that happened on the stargazer. Terry Matalas also tweeted that the Jurati Borg are out there, meaning they are a separate faction.

5. As I understand it it was the Borg Queen talking to Vadic. The changlings were the pawns able to sneak into Starfleet and do what was needed in regards to infecting the transporters etc.