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cheekyangus 20-02-2019 14:58
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
BBC Scotland Channel has been added here on 108. Currently showing the preview transmission with news headlines and weather along the bottom.

I only noticed it after I saw the info bar tile (which readers of my other thread will know didn't happen for the other BBC changes before they happen, due to a localised fault).

Maybe others can confirm if it's started on 162 in non-Scottish VM areas already.

BenMcr 20-02-2019 15:27
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 35983881)
Maybe others can confirm if it's started on 162 in non-Scottish VM areas already.
Yes. Showing up here

RobboEdin 20-02-2019 19:54
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Just changed my series links for Still Game and Burnistoun to catch the new series on the new channel.

nomadking 20-02-2019 20:34
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 35983881)
BBC Scotland Channel has been added here on 108. Currently showing the preview transmission with news headlines and weather along the bottom.

I only noticed it after I saw the info bar tile (which readers of my other thread will know didn't happen for the other BBC changes before they happen, due to a localised fault).

Maybe others can confirm if it's started on 162 in non-Scottish VM areas already.
Why add a pointless HD channel?

Raider999 20-02-2019 20:52
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35983786)
OK - I was thinking of the extra BBC sport streams which are often there.

It is usually only Sky Sports that offer this on their own boxes.

On BT Sports - every extra stream is in the BT EPG so all BT Sport red button options can be record on there.
That is my point - Virgin is the poor relation in this respect.

Derekb108 20-02-2019 21:58
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35983953)
Why add a pointless HD channel?
It isn't pointless it's a new Scottish channel!

Gunslinger 24-02-2019 23:56
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris James (Post 35983452)
With the exception of regional opt-outs, is there any reason why Virgin cannot discontinue all the SD channels where there are HD alternatives? Seems like BBC4 and BBC News are following BBC2 in dropping the SD channel - Gold was the first to do it. That would free up a load of space!
Why? Getting rid of SD variants is a pain for people who record lots of stuff, as it reduces available disc space by factor of 4. Particularly an issue for BBC as OFCOM restrict the length of time shows can be kept On Demand, making it difficult to watch series like Trapped as a box set.
By all means swop over the channel numbers so HD is the default, but keep the SD option as well. If space is really an issue, get rid of some of the dross.
Incidentally, there is still a BBC2 SD option available under 'BBC2 England' in the 800's series. Unfortunately not the case for BBC4.

Derekb108 25-02-2019 00:18
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35984355)
Why? Getting rid of SD variants is a pain for people who record lots of stuff, as it reduces available disc space by factor of 4. Particularly an issue for BBC as OFCOM restrict the length of time shows can be kept On Demand, making it difficult to watch series like Trapped as a box set.
By all means swop over the channel numbers so HD is the default, but keep the SD option as well. If space is really an issue, get rid of some of the dross.
Incidentally, there is still a BBC2 SD option available under 'BBC2 England' in the 800's series. Unfortunately not the case for BBC4.
The reason they dropping the HD channels, because there's only tivo boxes out there now, and even if there using scart tivo box is able to reduce the quality now..

OLD BOY 25-02-2019 07:24
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derekb108 (Post 35984357)
The reason they dropping the HD channels, because there's only tivo boxes out there now, and even if there using scart tivo box is able to reduce the quality now..
As Gunslinger says, HD takes up more recording space. That is the issue, really.

BenMcr 25-02-2019 09:29
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984366)
As Gunslinger says, HD takes up more recording space. That is the issue, really.
Although that's true, the removal of the MPEG 2 boxes (both SD and HD) allowed for all channels to be moved to MPEG4. Both HD and SD recordings take up less space than they did a year or so ago

So HD recordings are closer in space to the MPEG2 SD recordings.

Gunslinger 25-02-2019 09:39
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
The possible solution to that is of course to adopt 'cloud' storage of saved shows, essentially a personalised streaming service where you keep access to shows you want to watch at a later time - like the 'watch lists' you get on Amazon and Now TV. However I suspect rights issues plus arbitrary rules on BBC on demand access would probably intervene.
Not to mention the one big reason why IPTV will not remove the need for linear TV channels and local storage anytime soon - the fact that it is not 99.999% reliable, and subject to variable factors ranging from server capacity right through to the quality of the local WiFi network. Over the past 15 years or so I am sure we have all experienced broadband issues ranging from a few minutes to several days. During that time, the basic linear cable TV service has remained rock solid, albeit without some of the interactive bells and whistles.

nomadking 25-02-2019 09:42
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derekb108 (Post 35983972)
It isn't pointless it's a new Scottish channel!
The programmes are mostly just BBC2 ones. Why should it be a UK wide one?


Quote:
The World Stone Skimming Championship is held every year on the tiny Scottish island of Easdale in an old slate-mining quarry. In this documentary, two obsessed skimmers show what it takes to become the world's best.

denphone 25-02-2019 09:45
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984366)
As Gunslinger says, HD takes up more recording space. That is the issue, really.
l record some things in HD but it soaks up the recording space rather too quickly for my liking so for some of my series recordings l have to record in SD still but with BBC 4 now being just a HD channel and several other channels now just switching to the HD variant whilst getting rid of the SD variant it is soaking up the recording space much quicker.

Rillington 25-02-2019 17:00
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35984355)
Why? Getting rid of SD variants is a pain for people who record lots of stuff, as it reduces available disc space by factor of 4. Particularly an issue for BBC as OFCOM restrict the length of time shows can be kept On Demand, making it difficult to watch series like Trapped as a box set.
By all means swop over the channel numbers so HD is the default, but keep the SD option as well. If space is really an issue, get rid of some of the dross.
Incidentally, there is still a BBC2 SD option available under 'BBC2 England' in the 800's series. Unfortunately not the case for BBC4.
The ratio is actually 1 in 5 - ie one hour of HD recording takes up the equivalent space of 5 hours of SD. Therefore, recording a one-hour programme on BBC4 on the VM Tivo box now takes up more than 2% of the available disc space.

BenMcr 25-02-2019 17:12
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rillington (Post 35984412)
The ratio is actually 1 in 5 - ie one hour of HD recording takes up the equivalent space of 5 hours of SD. Therefore, recording a one-hour programme on BBC4 on the VM Tivo box now takes up more than 2% of the available disc space.
That's not the case - as has been discussed over on the Community Forum when you made the same point there:

https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...938986#M175700
Quote:
did a little test with Sky Sports News recording same programme for 36 minutes

SD 0.95GB

HD 1.84GB

So about twice the space used for HD recordings.
https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...939090#M175712

Quote:
I did a similar test with ITV, C4 & C5 earlier too. Roughly speaking - as you say - about twice the size.

RichardCoulter 25-02-2019 17:58
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
IIRC, Spiderplant deals with the slates on VM, so i'm hoping he sees this.

It looks like something has gone wrong with the vacated channel 804. Looks like it either should have been taken down as the channel moved a few weeks back, or the wrong slate is being used and the EPG info. is incomplete. It has no channel name and doesn't say where the channel has moved to!

Edit: I've been told that the move happened around the time that the STV HD regions were added, so it looks like it should have been removed as opposed to showing what it is doing now.

ScottishSteve 26-02-2019 10:22
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35984419)
It looks like something has gone wrong with the vacated channel 804. Looks like it either should have been taken down as the channel moved a few weeks back, or the wrong slate is being used and the EPG info. is incomplete. It has no channel name and doesn't say where the channel has moved to!

Edit: I've been told that the move happened around the time that the STV HD regions were added, so it looks like it should have been removed as opposed to showing what it is doing now.
It has now been removed

Media Boy UK 26-02-2019 17:07
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35984419)
IIRC, Spiderplant deals with the slates on VM, so i'm hoping he sees this.

It looks like something has gone wrong with the vacated channel 804. Looks like it either should have been taken down as the channel moved a few weeks back, or the wrong slate is being used and the EPG info. is incomplete. It has no channel name and doesn't say where the channel has moved to!

Edit: I've been told that the move happened around the time that the STV HD regions were added, so it looks like it should have been removed as opposed to showing what it is doing now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottishSteve (Post 35984484)
It has now been removed
We have been told Channel 804 was remove at 9am today.

But we did see an Red Button Channel (like YouTube on channel 198) for an new Asian app. When we was playing about to see if anything has happen.

As of 1.30am last night:

113. Channel Moved (Was STV HD) was removed.
804. Channel Moved (Was Star Bharat) was broadcast for an new Asian APP but EPG was still called "Channel Moved".

By 9am today:

804. Channel Moved - was removed from EPG.

---------- Post added at 17:07 ---------- Previous post was at 16:09 ----------

More Channels changes coming next week.

March 1st:

-Rishtey will be rebranded as Colors Rishtey on Virgin Channel 827.*
-Rishtey Cineplex will be rebranded as Colors Cineplex on Virgin Channel 828.*

March 6th:

-Lifetime +1 will close on Virgin Channel 225.**

*Info from TV Channel Lists.
**Info from TiVo.

Gunslinger 27-02-2019 11:54
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35984415)
That's not the case - as has been discussed over on the Community Forum when you made the same point there:

https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...938986#M175700


https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...939090#M175712
Is it possible there is an issue with the algorithm that Tivo uses to estimate the future usage of disc space for planned HD recordings then? The overnight switch of the two planned episodes of Trapped on BBC4 to HD seemed to bring forward the 'No more room on Disc' point by nearly a full week's worth of planned recordings, and certainly more than just 2 hours' worth as suggested above.

OLD BOY 27-02-2019 12:46
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35984608)
Is it possible there is an issue with the algorithm that Tivo uses to estimate the future usage of disc space for planned HD recordings then? The overnight switch of the two planned episodes of Trapped on BBC4 to HD seemed to bring forward the 'No more room on Disc' point by nearly a full week's worth of planned recordings, and certainly more than just 2 hours' worth as suggested above.
Maybe it rounds up to the nearest 10 hours. I think it is only meant as a guide - it's not that accurate. Once mine gets to 90%, I look at which recordings to delete before the Tivo does so and takes off what I still want to watch!

Rillington 27-02-2019 12:59
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[QUOTE=BenMcr;35984415]That's not the case - as has been discussed over on the Community Forum when you made the same point there:

https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...938986#M175700

I've posted a reply on that forum but to summarise:

I checked the amount of space that the one hd recording that I have and checked a sd recording of the same length, albeit from a different channel and the recordings were on different days, and i found that the hd recording took up just under three times the amount of space that the sd recording took.

Raider999 27-02-2019 21:16
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
[QUOTE=Rillington;35984619]
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35984415)
That's not the case - as has been discussed over on the Community Forum when you made the same point there:

https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...938986#M175700

I've posted a reply on that forum but to summarise:

I checked the amount of space that the one hd recording that I have and checked a sd recording of the same length, albeit from a different channel and the recordings were on different days, and i found that the hd recording took up just under three times the amount of space that the sd recording took.
I think you will find that different HD channels take different amounts of space for an hours recording - never watch SD channels but I would imagine the same applies.

If you go into a recording at the play/delete screen and press the info button you get the usage in GB to 2 decimal places and also the amount of Disk Usage this is rounded

heero_yuy 28-02-2019 09:26
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It'll all depend on the bit rate that is used. Just because the resolution is HD or UHD doesn't mean the quality, especially during panning shots, is the same.

I'd prefer the effort went into getting HD to be better. Some channels are simply appaling the moment anything other than a stationary image is shown.

OLD BOY 28-02-2019 10:03
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35984714)
It'll all depend on the bit rate that is used. Just because the resolution is HD or UHD doesn't mean the quality, especially during panning shots, is the same.

I'd prefer the effort went into getting HD to be better. Some channels are simply appaling the moment anything other than a stationary image is shown.
I'm not getting that here. I think it may depend on the type of TV you have. Some models don't do motion very well, I understand from a John Lewis salesman. I assume he's right - I think I read this somewhere too.

heero_yuy 28-02-2019 10:23
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Not the TV as DVD (Direct RGB component, progressive) and HD downloaded content (~20 gbyte files) doesn't show it. Varies from channel to channel but there is always some evidence on panning shots.

nomadking 28-02-2019 10:30
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35984725)
Not the TV as DVD (Direct RGB component, progressive) and HD downloaded content (~20 gbyte files) doesn't show it. Varies from channel to channel but there is always some evidence on panning shots.
Likely to be the encoding of the video, which would not make it the VM's problem, or something with your TV. Refresh rate might be an issue or there are often picture settings which are best for certain types of picture, eg sports.

SonicMaster 28-02-2019 14:21
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Desi Entertainment slate added to channel 800. It says 'Press red for access to Eros Now and Voot' which are both apps, however this is currently not working.

More information here where it's referred to as the Desi App Pack...

Desi App Pack (CH 800), available from Thursday 28 February

From big-budget Bollywood blockbusters to reality TV, talent shows and new original series, there’s everything you could want and more in your new Desi App Pack.

The apps will be launched on Virgin TV on Thursday 28 February. You can get all this extra entertainment for an additional monthly fee of just £6 if you’re an existing Virgin TV Asian Mela customer, or £12 for customers without Asian Mela.

Eros Now
Eros Now is the home of Bollywood, Hindi and regional Asian movies. It’s packed to the brim with everything from big-name studio releases to independent Asian cinema, with premieres and new films added across the year. But that’s not all, as there’s also Eros Now original productions, music videos and much more.

With more than 10,000 titles to choose from, there’s no shortage of feature films and shorts to sink your teeth into. The hardest decision you’ll have to make is deciding what to watch first!

Voot
Voot is the place to watch the very best in Asian TV entertainment, whenever you want to! Shows to suit every taste, age and mood are all crammed into this fantastic new app. Here, reality TV royalty like Bigg Boss and Rising Star rub shoulders with award-winning Voot original productions and shows from channels such as MTV India and Colors.

Added to this, Voot features exclusive, not-seen-on-TV content about the shows you love, taking you even closer to the stars! And it’s all available in Hindi, Kannada, Marathi, Bangla, Gujarati, Tamil and English.

Where to find them
To get to the Desi App Pack on your Virgin TV V6 Box, simply head to Channel 800 from Thursday 28 February. You can also press the home button on your remote control, select Apps and Games, then All Apps, and you’ll find the pack in there.

Media Boy UK 28-02-2019 17:26
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Television X are testing an Television X HD channel out on Astra UK.

Raider999 28-02-2019 17:59
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35984714)
It'll all depend on the bit rate that is used. Just because the resolution is HD or UHD doesn't mean the quality, especially during panning shots, is the same.

I'd prefer the effort went into getting HD to be better. Some channels are simply appaling the moment anything other than a stationary image is shown.
When it was introduced HD was superb, the fight to economise by compressing it further and further to get more channels on a satellite has led to a much worse picture these days. Indeed SD is not that much worse because the modern boxes are better at ups along than older ones.

Media Boy UK 28-02-2019 18:55
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Is Freesports HD working for anyone?

As far as we know it been off at media boy HQ since about 3pm today.

Mr K 28-02-2019 19:00
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35984771)
Is Freesports HD working for anyone?

As far as we know it been off at media boy HQ since about 3pm today.
Tell your Mum to reboot the box.

Media Boy UK 28-02-2019 19:12
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35984775)
Tell your Mum to reboot the box.
We have done that THREE TIMES since first found at about 3pm still not working.

Sign says V53 all other channels are working.

paul0363 28-02-2019 19:30
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Freesports is down and Service Status is reporting a fix estimate of 28/2/19 @ 22:40 (I'm in Scotland, Area 10 Dundee & Fife)

"You might find that you are not able to watch Freesports channel 553 on your Virgin Media TV Catch Up, On Demand or TV Choice service at the moment."

Media Boy UK 28-02-2019 19:52
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by paul0363 (Post 35984784)
Freesports is down and Service Status is reporting a fix estimate of 28/2/19 @ 22:40 (I'm in Scotland, Area 10 Dundee & Fife)

"You might find that you are not able to watch Freesports channel 553 on your Virgin Media TV Catch Up, On Demand or TV Choice service at the moment."
Thanks for update.

SonicMaster 01-03-2019 10:15
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
The new Channel Guide PDF for March is now live:

https://www.virginmedia.com/content/...rch2019_V1.pdf

https://www.virginmedia.com/content/...rch2019_V1.pdf

They still haven't removed GINX (290) which disappeared from Virgin Media in October last year, and Worldbox (834) which closed down last month.

536 should be Racing TV HD, not Racing UK HD.

Comedy Central, Comedy Central HD and Comedy Central +1 are being made available to all Virgin TV customers from 3rd March to 2nd April.

denphone 01-03-2019 10:20
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
You wonder who compiles these Channel Guide's sometimes as they are always ridden with mistakes.

RichardCoulter 01-03-2019 15:51
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35984831)
You wonder who compiles these Channel Guide's sometimes as they are always ridden with mistakes.
Yep, they are.

There also looks to be a problem with the EPG. Two Channel 4 programmes look to be set to record from Channel 711 (the former home of CBeebies HD).

If this isn't noticed by customers or fixed by VM, people will end up recording a channel moved slate instead of what they were expecting!

Has anyone else noticed this in Planned Recordings?

SonicMaster 01-03-2019 21:00
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Just noticed that VM still haven't fixed the glitch that means viewers who don't get Crime + Investigation in their package can watch it for free via the TV Go app.

Sometimes their mistakes actually have benefits to customers!

Mr K 01-03-2019 22:11
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35984831)
You wonder who compiles these Channel Guide's sometimes as they are always ridden with mistakes.
Not as bad as the subtitle people Den. Just seen a glorious rendition of the song 'Windmills of your mind' ; the subtitlers interpreted the lyrics as 'Windows of your mind'. I'd swear they're half deaf ! ;)

OLD BOY 01-03-2019 22:20
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35984938)
Not as bad as the subtitle people Den. Just seen a glorious rendition of the song 'Windmills of your mind' ; the subtitlers interpreted the lyrics as 'Windows of your mind'. I'd swear they're half deaf ! ;)
Would you like to re-phrase that, as I'm really sorry to say that your post makes no sense.

;)

---------- Post added at 22:20 ---------- Previous post was at 22:18 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35984831)
You wonder who compiles these Channel Guide's sometimes as they are always ridden with mistakes.
Mere mortels, sadly, Den.

denphone 02-03-2019 05:31
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984941)

Mere mortels, sadly, Den.
Mere mortals they might be OB but if one is going to do a job properly make sure its not ridden with mistakes.

OLD BOY 02-03-2019 10:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35984938)
Not as bad as the subtitle people Den. Just seen a glorious rendition of the song 'Windmills of your mind' ; the subtitlers interpreted the lyrics as 'Windows of your mind'. I'd swear they're half deaf ! ;)
You know, I read that a few times and failed to notice the change from 'windmills' to ' windows'! Sorry! :doh:

ozsat 02-03-2019 11:00
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
I think it is 99% automated - so a computer mes-hearing and the error not being spotted later.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35984938)
Not as bad as the subtitle people Den. Just seen a glorious rendition of the song 'Windmills of your mind' ; the subtitlers interpreted the lyrics as 'Windows of your mind'. I'd swear they're half deaf ! ;)

denphone 02-03-2019 11:35
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35984981)
I think it is 99% automated - so a computer mes-hearing and the error not being spotted later.
So much for computers being error free.

Mr K 02-03-2019 11:53
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35984981)
I think it is 99% automated - so a computer mes-hearing and the error not being spotted later.
On live programmes, maybe it's understandable getting the subtites wrong. However on song lyrics, there's no excuse, unless the artiste is making it up as they go along !

ozsat 02-03-2019 12:06
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
They can never be error free. Computers do what humans tell them to do.

Any computer error is actually human error due to incorrect inormation being provided or incorrect programming.
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35984988)
So much for computers being error free.

garethf1927 02-03-2019 19:24
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35984883)
Yep, they are.

There also looks to be a problem with the EPG. Two Channel 4 programmes look to be set to record from Channel 711 (the former home of CBeebies HD).

If this isn't noticed by customers or fixed by VM, people will end up recording a channel moved slate instead of what they were expecting!

Has anyone else noticed this in Planned Recordings?
Looks to be sorted now. I reckon these would have been long gone before the time anyway - looks like the message changes to a generic Channel Update this coming Tuesday which I make 2 weeks after the BBC changes anyway so likely the end of the message period

newapollo 02-03-2019 19:43
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
It looks like we are going to get Amazon Prime (PID 216) and Total Country (PID 225) and possibly a few more channels. There are 10 new channels showing on http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.ph...ve=209&lang=en

OLD BOY 03-03-2019 02:40
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by newapollo (Post 35985022)
It looks like we are going to get Amazon Prime (PID 216) and Total Country (PID 225) and possibly a few more channels. There are 10 new channels showing on http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.ph...ve=209&lang=en
I admire your skills at sussing out this information, but I have gone boggle-eyed at trying to work out where Amazon is mentioned, and I cannot work out where PID225 mentions Amazon!

If your information is correct, this is good news indeed and confirms my interpretation of the impact of BT acquiring Prime for its service.

At last, I will be able to bookmark my Amazon watch list on the VM service!

Please could you put us right on your interpretation of these tables, because they won't mean much to most of us!

denphone 03-03-2019 05:29
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Well OB this must be the umpteenth time you have got your hopes up and l suspect it will be the umpteenth time that you are going to be disappointed again.;)

jfman 03-03-2019 09:47
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
The ten “new” channels are MPEG4 standard definition versions of:

Total Country
Now Music
Your TV
QVC
Sky News
Lifetime
Together Primetime
MTV Beats
Sky Sports Premier League
Real Lives

cheekyangus 03-03-2019 10:15
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985047)
The ten “new” channels are MPEG4 standard definition versions of:

Total Country
Now Music
Your TV
QVC
Sky News
Lifetime
Together Primetime
MTV Beats
Sky Sports Premier League
Real Lives
Given some of these, as you say jfman, are "new" rather than new, were those we already have on VM not in MPEG4 then? I'd been under impression VM had switched everything over to MPEG4 already, before even they had an HD-only capable network.

jfman 03-03-2019 10:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 35985049)
Given some of these, as you say jfman, "new" rather than new, were those we already have on VM not in MPEG4 then? I'd been under impression VM had switched everything over to MPEG4 already, before even they had an HD-only capable network.
For high definition yes but for standard definition they still mainly use MPEG2.

Over the last few months they have moved some SD channels to MPEG4 and this is just an extension of that.

StevenNT 03-03-2019 10:57
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985050)
For high definition yes but for standard definition they still mainly use MPEG2.

Over the last few months they have moved some SD channels to MPEG4 and this is just an extension of that.
I assume the end game is MPEG4 for all channels regardless? and hopefully DVB-C2 also? Does Tivo and V6 boxes support DVB-C2?

jfman 03-03-2019 11:16
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StevenNT (Post 35985059)
I assume the end game is MPEG4 for all channels regardless? and hopefully DVB-C2 also? Does Tivo and V6 boxes support DVB-C2?
DVB-C2 is unlikely to ever make it out the lab. It’s an unnecessary technology giving optimisations that aren’t required and greater bandwidth efficiencies can be achieved elsewhere - DOCSIS 3.1 for example.

The V6 could, by software update, pull on demand content over the internet as opposed to over DVB-C. An update like that alongside MPEG4 and the closure of redundant SD duplicates/+1 channels and network upgrades to 1Ghz and beyond are more likely.

OLD BOY 03-03-2019 11:18
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35985038)
Well OB this must be the umpteenth time you have got your hopes up and l suspect it will be the umpteenth time that you are going to be disappointed again.;)
Well, it's not me saying Prime is testing. I have looked at PID216 until I'm crossed eyed but I'm blowed if I can verify this information from looking at the tables and the PID216 link.

denphone 03-03-2019 11:36
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985066)
Well, it's not me saying Prime is testing. I have looked at PID216 until I'm crossed eyed but I'm blowed if I can verify this information from looking at the tables and the PID216 link.
My money is on it not coming.

Mr K 03-03-2019 11:44
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985066)
Well, it's not me saying Prime is testing. I have looked at PID216 until I'm crossed eyed but I'm blowed if I can verify this information from looking at the tables and the PID216 link.
I'd rather have Talking Pictures+1, or Talking Pictures 2 :)

denphone 03-03-2019 12:02
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35985072)
I'd rather have Talking Pictures+1, or Talking Pictures 2 :)
Don't be so greedy as you have already have one Talking Pictures channel.;)

jfman 03-03-2019 12:16
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35985070)
My money is on it not coming.
If it does it’s got 100% nothing to do with PID 216.

denphone 03-03-2019 13:13
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985075)
If it does it’s got 100% nothing to do with PID 216.
Exactly as my view is if Amazon was going to come it would have done it by now.

OLD BOY 03-03-2019 13:29
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35985081)
Exactly as my view is if Amazon was going to come it would have done it by now.
Things do not remain unchanged forever. VM were indeed interested in bringing Prime to the platform, but Liberty Global put their foot down because Amazon is basically a retail business.

What has changed is that BT has stolen a march on VM by adding Prime to their platform, and you can assume that Sky will not be far behind.

If LG/VM want to be super-aggregators of content in the future, as they have said in the past, they will need to bite the bullet at some point.

jfman 03-03-2019 14:09
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985083)
Things do not remain unchanged forever. VM were indeed interested in bringing Prime to the platform, but Liberty Global put their foot down because Amazon is basically a retail business.

What has changed is that BT has stolen a march on VM by adding Prime to their platform, and you can assume that Sky will not be far behind.

If LG/VM want to be super-aggregators of content in the future, as they have said in the past, they will need to bite the bullet at some point.
You can’t really “steal a march” when the vast majority of people likely to be interested in the content can get it anyway through apps on their TV, fire sticks etc.

There’s no need for Virgin, or even Sky for that matter, to act in a manner you describe and support third parties unless there’s something in it for them. A Prime TV App isn’t going to dictate my pay tv choices when my smart TV has it anyway.

ScottishSteve 03-03-2019 14:37
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
I don’t see any indication of Amazon Prime coming.

The reason is the prime logo on the screen grab is from a current amazon advert which is on just about every channel at the moment.

OLD BOY 03-03-2019 16:55
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985085)
You can’t really “steal a march” when the vast majority of people likely to be interested in the content can get it anyway through apps on their TV, fire sticks etc.

There’s no need for Virgin, or even Sky for that matter, to act in a manner you describe and support third parties unless there’s something in it for them. A Prime TV App isn’t going to dictate my pay tv choices when my smart TV has it anyway.
As I have said on many occasions, there are advantages to the consumer in having all the SVOD services accessible from one box. That way, you can use the V6 to search for any programme and have all your bookmarked programmes from each streaming service listed under 'My Shows'. No need for additional boxes, fire sticks and so on.

I, too, can access Prime from my Amazon Fire Stick, my Roku stick and my smart TV. If I could access it from my V6, it would make my life much easier. Hell, even my wife could access shows on Amazon, which she cannot do at the moment.

Not everyone wants to spend money on additional gadgets to enable them to watch their favourite programmes. The V6 should be all you need, and there should be an array of streaming services available. Surely you can see how handy that would be - except, of course, I almost forgot that you are averse to change.

jfman 03-03-2019 18:08
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985102)
As I have said on many occasions, there are advantages to the consumer in having all the SVOD services accessible from one box. That way, you can use the V6 to search for any programme and have all your bookmarked programmes from each streaming service listed under 'My Shows'. No need for additional boxes, fire sticks and so on.

I, too, can access Prime from my Amazon Fire Stick, my Roku stick and my smart TV. If I could access it from my V6, it would make my life much easier. Hell, even my wife could access shows on Amazon, which she cannot do at the moment.

Not everyone wants to spend money on additional gadgets to enable them to watch their favourite programmes. The V6 should be all you need, and there should be an array of streaming services available. Surely you can see how handy that would be - except, of course, I almost forgot that you are averse to change.
Sorry you didn’t answer my point so a more direct question is how does it benefit Virgin (or Sky) for that matter to essentially give over their platforms for no benefit to themselves?

Media Boy UK 03-03-2019 19:27
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985047)
The ten “new” channels are MPEG4 standard definition versions of:

Total Country
Now Music
Your TV
QVC
Sky News
Lifetime
Together Primetime
MTV Beats
Sky Sports Premier League
Real Lives
That top one has not launch on Virgin yet.

We have seen pics of NOW 90s on that web site link posted on here over the weekend.

We have ask over sources for more info on IF new channels are set to launch.

Also Virgin are new broadcast onscreen information that Lifetime +1 will close on Virgin on March 6th (Channel 225).

OLD BOY 03-03-2019 19:36
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985108)
Sorry you didn’t answer my point so a more direct question is how does it benefit Virgin (or Sky) for that matter to essentially give over their platforms for no benefit to themselves?
I answered your first question. I thought I had answered your second point a few times before.

In future, there will be bundles of streaming services just as there are currently bundles of channels. Sign up for them all and you will get a discount, as you do with the bundled channels. Sky has already done this and offers Netflix and Sky Box Sets at a discounted price.

jfman 03-03-2019 20:05
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35985112)
That top one has not launch on Virgin yet.

We have seen pics of NOW 90s on that web site link posted on here over the weekend.

We have ask over sources for more info on IF new channels are set to launch.

Also Virgin are new broadcast onscreen information that Lifetime +1 will close on Virgin on March 6th (Channel 225).
PID 225 appears to be total country, although I could be wrong.

---------- Post added at 20:05 ---------- Previous post was at 20:03 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985113)
I answered your first question. I thought I had answered your second point a few times before.

In future, there will be bundles of streaming services just as there are currently bundles of channels. Sign up for them all and you will get a discount, as you do with the bundled channels. Sky has already done this and offers Netflix and Sky Box Sets at a discounted price.
There’s no indication Sky will repeat that or that streamers (especially the big ones) want to sacrifice end to end control of their content. The main advantage to a streamer is supposedly cutting out the middle man and appealing to “cord cutters” according to the vast majority of digital marketing companies you cite as sources on the forum.

Anyway, there’s no point sidetracking the coming soon thread with speculation of things that don’t appear to be coming soon. There’s enough threads on this subject already.

Media Boy UK 03-03-2019 20:07
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985075)
If it does it’s got 100% nothing to do with PID 216.
We was on about NOW 90s being on Sid 1105 on (C034 DVBC TSid 11)

jfman 03-03-2019 20:09
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35985117)
We was on about NOW 90s being on Sid 1105 on (C034 DVBC TSid 11)
I was quoting denphone and talking about Amazon Prime in the post you have quoted.

OLD BOY 04-03-2019 07:17
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985115)
PID 225 appears to be total country, although I could be wrong.

---------- Post added at 20:05 ---------- Previous post was at 20:03 ----------



There’s no indication Sky will repeat that or that streamers (especially the big ones) want to end to end control of their content. The main advantage to a streamer is supposedly cutting out the middle man and appealing to “cord cutters” according to the vast majority of digital marketing companies you cite as sources on the forum.

Anyway, there’s no point sidetracking the coming soon thread with speculation of things that don’t appear to be coming soon. There’s enough threads on this subject already.
And there's no indication that they won't either.

This discussion resulted from a poster suggesting that Amazon appeared to be coming soon to VM. You were the one to sidetrack the discussion, not me. You moan when I don't answer your questions. ;)

vincerooney 04-03-2019 19:09
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
In some random news i emailed virgin media late at night after a bottle of wine. I got 20 quid off my bill and two additional V6 boxes for free equaling three altogether. I also got my speed boosted? Which was very nice... Its 7pm and i'm streaming video on two devices, with my surface pro on and my pc (i'm working) and i'm getting 347.72mps and a 21.16mbps upload.

Jolly.

OLD BOY 05-03-2019 07:41
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35985286)
In some random news i emailed virgin media late at night after a bottle of wine. I got 20 quid off my bill and two additional V6 boxes for free equaling three altogether. I also got my speed boosted? Which was very nice... Its 7pm and i'm streaming video on two devices, with my surface pro on and my pc (i'm working) and i'm getting 347.72mps and a 21.16mbps upload.

Jolly.
Pretty good result for a drunk night in, eh Vince! Well done that man.

newapollo 05-03-2019 10:15
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Sorry for the mix up with Amazon prime, I hadn't realised that the screenshot shown on that site was part of an advert that is being screened.

There are now 2 "new" Channel 4 HD's showing, plus a further screenshot of the latest updates.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/03/2.jpg

Mad Max 05-03-2019 17:36
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985346)
Pretty good result for a drunk night in, eh Vince! Well done that man.
He'll be a lightweight if he was drunk on one bottle of wine.....:D :beer:

StevenNT 05-03-2019 18:24
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35985438)
He'll be a lightweight if he was drunk on one bottle of wine.....:D :beer:
I've had a bottle of Red Wine in 1 sitting a few times before and each time it was certainly not fun the morning afterwards. Sounds like a good going by Vince's success :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by newapollo (Post 35985364)
There are now 2 "new" Channel 4 HD's showing, plus a further screenshot of the latest updates.
Are these extra advertising regions or duplicates of the existing Channel 4 HD which I think is the London ad region?

newapollo 05-03-2019 18:43
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StevenNT (Post 35985447)
Are these extra advertising regions or duplicates of the existing Channel 4 HD which I think is the London ad region?
I thought they might be extra advertising regions, but don't quote me on that, look at my history when i assumed we were getting Amazon Prime and it was only an advert :dunce:

nodrogd 05-03-2019 19:10
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by newapollo (Post 35985451)
I thought they might be extra advertising regions, but don't quote me on that, look at my history when i assumed we were getting Amazon Prime and it was only an advert :dunce:
Looks like prep for another HD swap (or replacement)

OLD BOY 05-03-2019 19:34
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StevenNT (Post 35985447)
I've had a bottle of Red Wine in 1 sitting a few times before and each time it was certainly not fun the morning afterwards. Sounds like a good going by Vince's success :D
You shouldn't drink cheap wine, Steven!

Aguero9320 05-03-2019 21:11
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by newapollo (Post 35985364)
Sorry for the mix up with Amazon prime, I hadn't realised that the screenshot shown on that site was part of an advert that is being screened.

There are now 2 "new" Channel 4 HD's showing, plus a further screenshot of the latest updates.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/03/3.jpg
There seems to be more than 2 channels on one of the pictures sans nom. Does this indicate there are more than Now 90s and Total Country on the way?

newapollo 06-03-2019 12:39
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985047)
The ten “new” channels are MPEG4 standard definition versions of:

Total Country
Now Music
Your TV
QVC
Sky News
Lifetime
Together Primetime
MTV Beats
Sky Sports Premier League
Real Lives
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/03/4.jpg

Media Boy UK 06-03-2019 22:54
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985047)
The ten “new” channels are MPEG4 standard definition versions of:

Total Country
Now Music
Your TV
QVC
Sky News
Lifetime
Together Primetime
MTV Beats
Sky Sports Premier League
Real Lives
Our TiVo boxes has confirmed that Virgin Media has moved NINE channels on that list over to MPEG4 since sometime on Monday.

Total Country has still to launch. Now Music was NOW 80s. But Sky Two has also moved.

Has Virgin Media sign an new deal with Sky?

We have found that WWE Fastlane is only broadcast on TiVo or V6 boxes this weekend.

And is not broadcasting on V+ HD Boxes.

OLD BOY 07-03-2019 07:37
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35985546)
Our TiVo boxes has confirmed that Virgin Media has moved NINE channels on that list over to MPEG4 since sometime on Monday.

Total Country has still to launch. Now Music was NOW 80s. But Sky Two has also moved.

Has Virgin Media sign an new deal with Sky?

We have found that WWE Fastlane is only broadcast on TiVo or V6 boxes this weekend.

And is not broadcasting on V+ HD Boxes.
I've not heard anything about the new carriage deal between Sky and Virgin Media. I shouldn't think we'll hear anything much before May this year.

jfman 07-03-2019 11:04
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985559)
I've not heard anything about the new carriage deal between Sky and Virgin Media. I shouldn't think we'll hear anything much before May this year.
Previously deals have been signed in other months as well, so there’s no reason to think that Sky/Virgin must wait on an arbitrary expiration date before extending carriage arrangements.

denphone 07-03-2019 11:10
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Exactly as carriage arrangements can be extended at any time if both parties are of the same thinking..

vincerooney 07-03-2019 17:44
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Cable forum on my mobile has been destroyed by that huge post up above with all the photos haha

Is it a reliable source about the sky carriage deal media boy?

OLD BOY 07-03-2019 19:08
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35985611)
Cable forum on my mobile has been destroyed by that huge post up above with all the photos haha

Is it a reliable source about the sky carriage deal media boy?
I think he simply asked the question, Vince. I've seen nothing to convince me that an announcement is imminent, and as I said earlier, I doubt we will hear anything much before May.

SonicMaster 07-03-2019 20:24
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35985546)
Our TiVo boxes has confirmed that Virgin Media has moved NINE channels on that list over to MPEG4 since sometime on Monday.

Total Country has still to launch. Now Music was NOW 80s. But Sky Two has also moved.

Has Virgin Media sign an new deal with Sky?

We have found that WWE Fastlane is only broadcast on TiVo or V6 boxes this weekend.

And is not broadcasting on V+ HD Boxes.
There is also NOW 90s on SID 1105.

Aguero9320 07-03-2019 20:43
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35985611)
Cable forum on my mobile has been destroyed by that huge post up above with all the photos haha

Is it a reliable source about the sky carriage deal media boy?
My apologies, Vince. Even though it’s screwed up my phone as well, my iPad seems to be dealing with it well.

RichardCoulter 07-03-2019 22:55
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35985546)
Our TiVo boxes has confirmed that Virgin Media has moved NINE channels on that list over to MPEG4 since sometime on Monday.

Total Country has still to launch. Now Music was NOW 80s. But Sky Two has also moved.

Has Virgin Media sign an new deal with Sky?

We have found that WWE Fastlane is only broadcast on TiVo or V6 boxes this weekend.

And is not broadcasting on V+ HD Boxes.
Didn't think that there were any V+ HD boxes left on the network?

Has anyone found that their EPG has changed colour? Mine hasn't, but i've been reading that others peoples have- perhaps it's an update that's being rolled out?

newapollo 08-03-2019 00:26
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Now 90's is broadcasting on Channel 347 and Total Country on Channel 348

garethf1927 08-03-2019 06:57
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Premier Sports 2 is now HD on VM

denphone 08-03-2019 07:28
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garethf1927 (Post 35985671)
Premier Sports 2 is now HD on VM
Premier Sports 2 is not HD on our box.

jfman 08-03-2019 08:43
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.ph...&sec=0&lang=fr

It’s broadcasting in HD here on the network.

garethf1927 08-03-2019 08:49
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35985673)
Premier Sports 2 is not HD on our box.
Yes it is. The logo has yet to change but look at the name and a marked improvement in picture quality. EPG 552

cheekyangus 08-03-2019 08:53
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35985673)
Premier Sports 2 is not HD on our box.
It's now named as HD on EPG on our box.

denphone 08-03-2019 08:53
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Yes l can see it now.

cheekyangus 08-03-2019 10:16
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Was looking through the digitalbitrate page for the VM multiplexes again and I think I'm starting to understand the tables.

Assuming I am, it seems that VM have just switched over quite a large number of MPEG2 SD channels to MPEG4, the MPEG2 placeholders are still there on those multiplexes but there is no data on them. I looked at one of them on my box in the diagnostics area and it is seems to comfirm it has switched over (it was C5 SD if you were wondering).

These changes are since the last time I looked at the table. If I am judging the progress correctly VM are likely to manage switch over pretty rapidly, I didn't think they'd do so many simultaneously prior to seeing this.

Of course I may be reading it all wrong, I'm no expert.

spiderplant 08-03-2019 10:33
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35985662)
Didn't think that there were any V+ HD boxes left on the network?
There are lots.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35985662)
Has anyone found that their EPG has changed colour? Mine hasn't, but i've been reading that others peoples have- perhaps it's an update that's being rolled out?
Probably they've accidentally enabled the high-contrast menu setting.


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