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Mad Max 24-07-2018 13:49
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956294)
Nonsense! I used to record four or five programmes from Sky One every week. There is nothing worth recording these days. Strikeback excepted.

More channels does not mean increased quality content. It just means more dross to fill it out.
^ ^ This, x100......

RichardCoulter 24-07-2018 13:57
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956277)
It's not speculation. Every other platform gets paid for carrying channels, but for some strange reason, this is not the case for VM (except the shopping channels, I believe). As UKTV don't pay other platforms for carrying their free channels, why should VM subscribers pay for mostly repeated content funded by advertising?

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VM should not be paying for free channels. This practice is a hangover from the past.

A bit like the UKTV channels, actually. :erm:

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Not sure if your memory is failing you, but those were the days when Sky did have good programmes on it. In fact, the main draw of people to the pay tv channels was Sky TV.

UKTV has nowhere near as much clout and they will lose this fight. The sooner they realise that and climb down from their high horses, the sooner they will bleed less money.

They had better move fast, or Virgin will be reinvesting their money, hopefully in superior content.

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They will get over it. And if you think you are safe with Sky, remember that they almost lost the Discovery channels a few months ago.

Fortunately, Discovery saw sense. UKTV are trying it on. The people complaining are simply dragging this dispute out. If they quietened down, UKTV would be forced to re-consider. I am not expecting VM to give in over this, so the ball is in UKTV's court. Are they going to continue to discriminate against VM by making them pay for their free channels when other platforms get them free, or not?
Incorrect. On every other platform the FTA broadcasters have to pay someone for distribution, capacity and an EPG allocation, not for content.

This is also the case for VM, but made more complicated by the fact that they are the sole provider of distribution, capacity and the EPG on the cable platform. These costs where VM has agreed to pay for content will either be netted off or taken into account when negotiating carriage costs. By law, however, the EPG fee must always be clearly shown as a quantifiable transaction for every channel.

With the removal of Quest HD, Premier Sports going back to a frozen screen this morning and VM Ireland customers losing access to their UKTV recordings (despite being promised a three month grace period), could this be a contender for the worst week ever for VM?

muppetman11 24-07-2018 15:03
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956294)
Nonsense! I used to record four or five programmes from Sky One every week. There is nothing worth recording these days. Strikeback excepted.

More channels does not mean increased quality content. It just means more dross to fill it out.
Thats just your personal viewing , the fact the Sky channels now get better viewer numbers is exactly that a FACT.

I never mentioned anything about more channels !!!!

Mr K 24-07-2018 15:18
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956294)

More channels does not mean increased quality content. It just means more dross to fill it out.
More choice the better, OB as we agreed earlier? Your dross, is somebodies must see. Your must see, is somebody else's dross.

However think most agree the replacement channels are dross.

OLD BOY 24-07-2018 15:50
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35956307)
Thats just your personal viewing , the fact the Sky channels now get better viewer numbers is exactly that a FACT.

I never mentioned anything about more channels !!!!
Sadly, the viewing figures do not necessarily reflect programme quality. I am surprised by some of the tribe people gladly watch these days.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35956297)
Incorrect. On every other platform the FTA broadcasters have to pay someone for distribution, capacity and an EPG allocation, not for content.

This is also the case for VM, but made more complicated by the fact that they are the sole provider of distribution, capacity and the EPG on the cable platform. These costs where VM has agreed to pay for content will either be netted off or taken into account when negotiating carriage costs. By law, however, the EPG fee must always be clearly shown as a quantifiable transaction for every channel.

With the removal of Quest HD, Premier Sports going back to a frozen screen this morning and VM Ireland customers losing access to their UKTV recordings (despite being promised a three month grace period), could this be a contender for the worst week ever for VM?
I am with jj20x on this. He states:

VM can't be expected to use cash from their own customers subscriptions to pay for content that is funded by advertising. UKTV don't get any cash from other platforms for the free channels, they have to pay for carriage, just as they should pay VM.

I can't disagree with that!

muppetman11 24-07-2018 16:00
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
OB I love how you seem to talk like you are the authority on quality , the last few days you've been telling everyone how UKTV is rubbish and Virgin are adding better options.

You seem incapable of accepting everyone enjoys different things and everyone differs on what they class as quality and rubbish.

OLD BOY 24-07-2018 16:02
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35956308)
More choice the better, OB as we agreed earlier? Your dross, is somebodies must see. Your must see, is somebody else's dross.

However think most agree the replacement channels are dross.
Do you really mean to tell me that the considerable number of Sky fillers between the few better shows on Sky count as quality entertainment? I despair of the human race sometimes - we just seem to go from one level of dumbing down to the next level of descent.

As I said before, pay tv should be better quality than free tv, but plainly, it is not. Unless things change for the better soon, I will be ditching cable tv in favour of Netflix, Amazon, Freeview and Now TV. I am holding on until we know what changes are coming in the autumn, but unless things improve, I will be discussing options with my wife. I just don't think we are getting value for money any more, and of course that's nothing to do with UKTV, which we barely watched anyway.

muppetman11 24-07-2018 16:05
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
You've been ditching it for the last few years.:D:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35956308)
More choice the better, OB as we agreed earlier? Your dross, is somebodies must see. Your must see, is somebody else's dross.

However think most agree the replacement channels are dross.
OB struggles with this :D

OLD BOY 24-07-2018 16:15
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35956313)
You've been ditching it for the last few years.:D:rolleyes:

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OB struggles with this :D
Wrong on both counts. I've been keeping my options open during the last few years it is true, but I haven't been ready to ditch cable just yet.

By the way, most of the new content is pants as far as I am concerned, although Paramount is not bad and nor is Love Nature.

The on demand quiz thing is no better than Challenge on demand and I have no interest in sports but I am pleased that these channels are appreciated by some and I support Virgin's decision to add these to the line-up.

Your TV is more dross and ZooMoo is for the kids. I hope they can do much better than this over the autumn months.

denphone 24-07-2018 16:37
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35956273)
Be honest you haven't a clue who pays what so no point speculating.
Its his reliable crystal ball full of whizz bang predictions MM.:D

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956294)
Nonsense! I used to record four or five programmes from Sky One every week. There is nothing worth recording these days. Strikeback excepted.

More channels does not mean increased quality content. It just means more dross to fill it out.
Rubbish as there is plenty of stuff on Sky's channels if one looks properly..

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35956311)
OB I love how you seem to talk like you are the authority on quality , the last few days you've been telling everyone how UKTV is rubbish and Virgin are adding better options.

You seem incapable of accepting everyone enjoys different things and everyone differs on what they class as quality and rubbish.
Too much of his nose being up in the air rather then getting down to us plebs level methinks.;)

figgyburn 24-07-2018 16:47
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by oliver1948uk (Post 35956247)
What we don't know is how many people have ACTUALLY cancelled their VM services.

In my case, I would like to as I watch Drama a lot, mainly The Bill and He De Hi.
Hi De Hi, drama,really.That show was not funny 20 years ago nevermind today:o:
Good riddance to bad rubbish i say.Sorry.

Mr K 24-07-2018 17:04
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 35956323)
Hi De Hi, drama,really.That show was not funny 20 years ago nevermind today:o:
Good riddance to bad rubbish i say.Sorry.
Yeah 'Sorry!' was another classic
Each to their own Figgster ! ;)

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LOL, i've just been banned for the official forum. Someone asked if there was a petition - i posted a link to the change.org one, and hey presto a it disappeared and a ban.

Me thinks they are a tad over sensitive at VM towers :D It will have been a very hot few days for them in more ways than one !

Ultimate.Conj 24-07-2018 17:14
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
A classic or not, they are two terrible tv shows to be watching in 2018 on a HD or 4K tv.

I don't mind people enjoying them, but there are better things out there now. I wouldn't leave virgin just because those shows aren't available anymore.

I didn't watch much UKTV content, but did watch the 1st episode of Harrow. It was good, but it won't make me leave virgin because it has gone.

We need virgin to be pushing boundaries with new content, not stuck with 1980s tv shows.

Mr K 24-07-2018 17:15
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35956333)
A classic or not, they are two terrible tv shows to be watching in 2018 on a HD or 4K tv.

I don't mind people enjoying them, but there are better things out there now. I wouldn't leave virgin just because those shows aren't available anymore.

I didn't watch much UKTV content, but did watch the 1st episode of Harrow. It was good, but it won't make me leave virgin because it has gone.

We need virgin to be pushing boundaries with new content, not stuck with 1980s tv shows.
Like the Waltons, Little House on the Prairie and old Neighbours ?

denphone 24-07-2018 17:18
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35956334)
Like the Waltons, Little House on the Prairie and old Neighbours ?
They bring back childhood memories..:)

Paul 24-07-2018 17:57
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
What channels exactly are they losing, Ive not (yet) seen a list.

denphone 24-07-2018 17:59
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35956338)
What channels exactly are they losing, Ive not (yet) seen a list.
Here is the list.

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2...channels-list/

RichardCoulter 24-07-2018 18:12
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956309)
Sadly, the viewing figures do not necessarily reflect programme quality. I am surprised by some of the tribe people gladly watch these days.

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I am with jj20x on this. He states:

VM can't be expected to use cash from their own customers subscriptions to pay for content that is funded by advertising. UKTV don't get any cash from other platforms for the free channels, they have to pay for carriage, just as they should pay VM.

I can't disagree with that!
I think that to appease all involved, the FTA channels should be made available whilst this dispute is resolved one way or the other.

It would also benefit UKTV themselves as they will be losing advertising revenue.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35956327)
Yeah 'Sorry!' was another classic
Each to their own Figgster ! ;)

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LOL, i've just been banned for the official forum. Someone asked if there was a petition - i posted a link to the change.org one, and hey presto a it disappeared and a ban.

Me thinks they are a tad over sensitive at VM towers :D It will have been a very hot few days for them in more ways than one !
Oh dear, it looks like they're going into denial and trying to silence customers in response to all the outrage that this has caused.

I'm afraid that if they had banned me I would be onto the CEO for a reinstatement and alology for inhibiting my right to free speech. If this wasn't forthcoming all services would be immediately cancelled and I would be making their behaviour known to anyone who cared to listen.

As a private forum they can usually ban whoever they like and for whatever reason, but should they really be annoying customers like this (particularly at this moment in time?)

They really don't have a clue about customer care and PR, as this is clearly showing.
Common sense will prevail after the damage being done becomes untenable, but the longer this goes on, the more damage will be caused to their brand.

I predict that heads will roll at senior level over this situation that has been caused and the arrogant way that it's being dealt with, particularly that of Bouchier. Malone won't be happy about this at all.

Angua 24-07-2018 18:20
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35956318)
Its his reliable crystal ball full of whizz bang predictions MM.:D

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Rubbish as there is plenty of stuff on Sky's channels if one looks properly..

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Too much of his nose being up in the air rather then getting down to us plebs level methinks.;)
I remember it being shortly after VM got some Sky channels back that Sky Atlantic started up. :dozey:

RobboEdin 24-07-2018 18:32
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35956327)
Yeah 'Sorry!' was another classic
Each to their own Figgster ! ;)

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LOL, i've just been banned for the official forum. Someone asked if there was a petition - i posted a link to the change.org one, and hey presto a it disappeared and a ban.

Me thinks they are a tad over sensitive at VM towers :D It will have been a very hot few days for them in more ways than one !
Interesting. You post here that you have been banned but were last active on the Community forum at 17:54.

RobboEdin 24-07-2018 18:35
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alwaysabear 24-07-2018 18:38
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Looks like you have caught him out spreading Fake news:D;)

Mr K 24-07-2018 18:41
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Interesting. You post here that you have been banned but were last active on the Community forum at 17:54.
Can't post though old chap. No worries my words of wisdom for VM will return tomorrow ;)
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OLD BOY 24-07-2018 18:51
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35956334)
Like the Waltons, Little House on the Prairie and old Neighbours ?
You need a good re-booting, Mr K! This is 2018, you know!

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35956318)

Too much of his nose being up in the air rather then getting down to us plebs level methinks.;)
Oh, so it's class war tactics now, is it? :rolleyes:

This is nothing to do with class. This is to do with taste and a forward looking frame of mind.

My nose points downwards, like everyone elses. :D

Mr K 24-07-2018 18:52
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956354)
You need a good re-booting, Mr K! This is 2018, you know!
Tell that to VM ! It's the 'new' content they've given us ! :D

OLD BOY 24-07-2018 18:58
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35956318)

Rubbish as there is plenty of stuff on Sky's channels if one looks properly.
Nobody's arguing there isn't 'stuff'. It's just that it's not good stuff, that's the point. The free terrestrials can do better than pay tv. Why?

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35956356)
Tell that to VM ! It's the 'new' content they've given us ! :D
I'm certainly not defending the 'new' content apart from observing that there's more recordable material on the Paramount Network than all the UKTV channels put together.

Not that this is saying much, though.

Mr K 24-07-2018 19:01
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956357)
Nobody's arguing there isn't 'stuff'. It's just that it's not good stuff, that's the point. The free terrestrials can do better than pay tv. Why?

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I'm certainly not defending the 'new' content apart from observing that there's more recordable material on the Paramount Network than all the UKTV channels put together.

Not that this is saying much, though.
As a previous poster pointed out, you can't seem to get around the fact that a LOT of people seem to have different tastes to you (which is fine, isn't it? ;))

denphone 24-07-2018 19:03
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956354)
Oh, so it's class war tactics now, is it? :rolleyes:

This is nothing to do with class. This is to do with taste and a forward looking frame of mind.

My nose points downwards, like everyone elses. :D
Who said it has anything to do with class as you are confusing politics discussion with TV discussion as you constantly criticise and dismiss what everybody else likes just because they don't watch what you watch.

You constantly criticise Virgin that l am still surprised you are still with them as you constantly proclaim the virtues of Streaming and yet you are still with Virgin despite being very dismissive of them.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956357)
Nobody's arguing there isn't 'stuff'. It's just that it's not good stuff, that's the point. The free terrestrials can do better than pay tv. Why?
So if that is the case then why are you still with Virgin?.

OLD BOY 24-07-2018 19:10
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35956360)
Who said it has anything to do with class as you are confusing politics discussion with TV discussion as you constantly criticise and dismiss what everybody else likes just because they don't watch what you watch.

You constantly criticise Virgin that l am still surprised you are still with them as you constantly proclaim the virtues of Streaming and yet you are still with Virgin despite being very dismissive of them.
You used the word 'plebs', not me.

I do not dismiss what everyone else likes! I am trying to put across the fact that UKTV does not provide value for money for Virgin. VM doesn't see why it should have to pay to air free channels (no other provider does that) and it wants even more of these programmes that you appear to want to see over and over on their on demand system.

That is a sensible arrangement for VM but of course, UKTV don't much like it because it means their nice little earner with minimal provision on their part is cut off.

The UKTV should be talking to the Beeb to acquire the material VM wants. Otherwise, it's curtains for UKTV on Virgin Media.

Paul 24-07-2018 19:23
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35956352)
Can't post though old chap. No worries my words of wisdom for VM will return tomorrow ;)
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That seems very petty on their part.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35956341)
Ah, I see, thanks.

So from my POV, they have simply replaced one set of junk channels I never watch, with another set I would also never watch. :sleep:

Seems a lot of fuss over nothing. :D :angel:

japitts 24-07-2018 20:04
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35956308)
More choice the better, OB as we agreed earlier? Your dross, is somebodies must see. Your must see, is somebody else's dross.

However think most agree the replacement channels are dross.
Also pay-TV is supposed to all be about choice, and Virgin have certainly positioned TiVo as a "one-stop shop" for all your home entertainment. And then in the next breath they're actively suggesting you use Freeview to access some popular channels.

alwaysabear 24-07-2018 20:31
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35956364)
That seems very petty on their part.

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Ah, I see, thanks.

So from my POV, they have simply replaced one set of junk channels I never watch, with another set I would also never watch. :sleep:

Seems a lot of fuss over nothing. :D :angel:
Exactly my POV.

Chad 24-07-2018 22:10
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35956364)
That seems very petty on their part.

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Ah, I see, thanks.

So from my POV, they have simply replaced one set of junk channels I never watch, with another set I would also never watch. :sleep:

Seems a lot of fuss over nothing. :D :angel:
Each to their own. The fact of the matter is your paying the same amount for a lot less content. Admittedly it might not be content you watch but for others it's a big deal.

Here's how the last deal between UKTV was confirmed, purely for reference purposes.

http://www.virginmedia.com/corporate...customers.html

dodgem22 24-07-2018 22:50
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
If only they could just do a deal. Gutted having to look elsewhere now it really does not look like this will be resolved any time soon.

Inactive Digital 24-07-2018 23:38
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35956382)
Each to their own. The fact of the matter is your paying the same amount for a lot less content. Admittedly it might not be content you watch but for others it's a big deal.

Here's how the last deal between UKTV was confirmed, purely for reference purposes.

http://www.virginmedia.com/corporate...customers.html
That press release clearly states BBC series available on demand. So UKTV are now providing less content but are not happy that VM are offering less money as a result.

RichardCoulter 25-07-2018 04:14
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35956382)
Each to their own. The fact of the matter is your paying the same amount for a lot less content. Admittedly it might not be content you watch but for others it's a big deal.

Here's how the last deal between UKTV was confirmed, purely for reference purposes.

http://www.virginmedia.com/corporate...customers.html
"Virgin Media is one of our most valued customers", bet they're not saying that right now :D

You know, I actually think that it's a possibility that all this might have been orchestrated by John Malone to try and protect the shares that Discovery have in UKTV by putting off potential buyers of the shares that the BBC can't afford to buy in the company, thus scuppering the planned majority shareholding that the BBC are planning.

heavyside 25-07-2018 09:52
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Isn't this a classic case of there being no winners, only losers. UKTV lose out on advertising revenue generated from 4 million potential viewers which makes their plea of 'we need the revenue from Virgin to be able to make new programmes' sound hollow. Virgin Media lose out on a powerful chunk of good will from their subscribers out of all proportion to the sums of money they are trying to save. But surely the biggest losers of all are those same potential viewers and subscribers who are, incidentally, the group least able to do anything to resolve this sorry state of affairs.

Maggy 25-07-2018 11:10
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This is NOT the Brexit discussion..Use the correct thread.

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Oh and to purloin the title of an old children's show Why not turn off your TV and go do something less boring instead.

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Anymore off topic posts WILL be removed.

Dave42 25-07-2018 11:54
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don't look thing will be getting sorted for long time

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Hey Alexander, unfortunately, resolving things with Virgin Media is looking extremely unlikely. All of our channels are still available on @SkyUK, @bt_uk and @TalkTalk. We’d hate to lose you as a loyal viewer.

tweetiepooh 25-07-2018 12:11
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Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 35956413)
Isn't this a classic case of there being no winners, only losers. UKTV lose out on advertising revenue generated from 4 million potential viewers which makes their plea of 'we need the revenue from Virgin to be able to make new programmes' sound hollow. Virgin Media lose out on a powerful chunk of good will from their subscribers out of all proportion to the sums of money they are trying to save. But surely the biggest losers of all are those same potential viewers and subscribers who are, incidentally, the group least able to do anything to resolve this sorry state of affairs.
I'm sorry but I bet there are some lawyers somewhere making profit out of this!

RichardCoulter 25-07-2018 14:39
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Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 35956413)
Isn't this a classic case of there being no winners, only losers. UKTV lose out on advertising revenue generated from 4 million potential viewers which makes their plea of 'we need the revenue from Virgin to be able to make new programmes' sound hollow. Virgin Media lose out on a powerful chunk of good will from their subscribers out of all proportion to the sums of money they are trying to save. But surely the biggest losers of all are those same potential viewers and subscribers who are, incidentally, the group least able to do anything to resolve this sorry state of affairs.
They can always change providers, downgrade or negotiate a discount. I've negotiated a discount from VM & UKTV, so for the first 3 months getting back the UKTV channels would cost me £1 per month.

If I decide to keep with this arrangement after 3 months it would be £5 a month. After 6 months the full cost of £8 a month would apply.

If the UKTV channels are to come back soon, it will probably be in the first 3 months, so after 3 months I'll be looking to downgrade to the free M/Player pack.

This, coupled with the newly sourced UKTV channels, will be enough to meet my needs. In order to try and keep customers, VM have moved some channels downwards. This has had the effect of further devaluing the XL/Full house pack.

This will work out cheaper and VM get less money from me. If I move to Sky, I will get my faulty satellite wiring replaced free of charge and a hefty new customer discount. A win win situation all round!

Sky are currently advertising offers to Virgin Media customers where they will pay some or all VM early cancellation fees* and a hefty discount for changing too.

* If VM don't agree to waive these early cancellation fees, keep a record of them and watch out for the Ofcom decision regarding whether the removal of the UKTV channels was a breach of contract or not.

If they decide it was, you will then be able to claim back the fees from VM too!

Dave42 25-07-2018 15:04
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Aw Wayne, we're so sorry - we want to be your "go to" channels again, but sadly it's looking unlikely that we will be returning to Virgin Media.
We'd love to make you laugh again, so we'd advise trying @SkyUK @bt_uk and @TalkTalkTV who still have all of our channels.

Media Boy UK 25-07-2018 17:28
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UKTV was crying on BBC Radio 4 The Media Show today and the host says "UKTV part own by BBC"

japitts 25-07-2018 17:28
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https://twitter.com/Ofcom/status/1022136683104481282

Mediation by a different name?

denphone 25-07-2018 17:44
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My view of Ofcom from their past history is that they are pretty toothless generally.

Media Boy UK 25-07-2018 17:47
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35956475)
My view of Ofcom from their past history is that they are pretty toothless generally.
+1 We call Ofcom - Ofcon they will do what the Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport tell them to do. We miss John Whittingdale he know what he doing. (I vote SNP)

RichardCoulter 25-07-2018 17:57
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
At least we now know that Ofcom are to look into whether the VM t&c's are to be classed as unfair or not.

If it's found that they aren't, they may not be able to get away with any channel removals with a replacement or package discount.

They've opened a real can of worms for themselves over this and it serves them right.

Also, VM are now trying to say that those who have accepted discounts for the loss of these channels have put themselves into a new contract!

There was no mention, let alone agreement about this, when I called last Monday. Upon checking, they have indeed put me in a contract for a year since last Monday. This is for a discount that works out at 34p a week over a year.

It's totally laughable and my solicitor is to send them a letter telling them to correct this immediately.

An interesting post from another forum member:

Quote:
Originally Posted by rscott;c-90745627
Interesting interview on radio 4 just now with UKTV and VM.
VM let slip that up until last week, they were negotiating for the UKTV free channels, so couldn't tell customers they might lose them..

Not negotiating for all, just for the free ones...

Paul 25-07-2018 18:52
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
* More posts removed *

Please keep it non personal and stick to the general topic.

This isnt a topic for taking digs at peoples love/hate or otherwise of VM, or UKTV.

Mad Max 25-07-2018 19:01
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35956476)
+1 We call Ofcom - Ofcon they will do what the Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport tell them to do. We miss John Whittingdale he know what he doing. (I vote SNP)

He's a tory, maybe you should vote conservative next time...….:D

Hom3r 25-07-2018 19:24
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Well ATM I have downloaded a legal app to see the freeview stuff.

If you pay a sub you get the premium channels.

But Google has help me find a way to watch Alibi for free.

Mr K 25-07-2018 20:02
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35956500)
But Google has help me find a way to watch Alibi for free.
Inspector George Genitals will track you down Homer, in another fascinating case ;)

RichardCoulter 25-07-2018 22:02
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35956500)
Well ATM I have downloaded a legal app to see the freeview stuff.

If you pay a sub you get the premium channels.

But Google has help me find a way to watch Alibi for free.
Yes, I'm looking to get the TV Player app. It's £5.99 per month, but the first two weeks are free and there is a code to get 50% off for three months. If anyone would like this, please let me know.

Edit: Just found out that TV Player is available for free for the first three months on my Samsung TV.

djmagnifique 25-07-2018 23:43
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35956532)
Yes, I'm looking to get the TV Player app. It's £5.99 per month, but the first two weeks are free and there is a code to get 50% off for three months. If anyone would like this, please let me know.

Edit: Just found out that TV Player is available for free for the first three months on my Samsung TV.
Nice find, i've got a Samsung tv as well so i'll be looking into that tomorrow. I thought it was £7.99 per month as that's what it shows when I go to the channel list on their website and click on Alibi. Maybe they have dropped the price for some 'unknown' reason ;)

EDIT:- Looks like there is more than one paid version, to get the UKTV premium channels it would be £7.99 per month. Will have to see what the free trial through my Samsung tv offers.

https://tvplayer.com/upgrade?pack=pl...illing=monthly

RichardCoulter 26-07-2018 04:21
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djmagnifique (Post 35956541)
Nice find, i've got a Samsung tv as well so i'll be looking into that tomorrow. I thought it was £7.99 per month as that's what it shows when I go to the channel list on their website and click on Alibi. Maybe they have dropped the price for some 'unknown' reason ;)

EDIT:- Looks like there is more than one paid version, to get the UKTV premium channels it would be £7.99 per month. Will have to see what the free trial through my Samsung tv offers.

https://tvplayer.com/upgrade?pack=pl...illing=monthly
Ahhh right. I've been advised by someone that the UKTV channels aren't available during free trial periods, which would be the only reason I'd be doing it! If all there is is channels available on VM anyway, there isn't much point in us doing it :(

I may yet end up downgrading my package as they've moved some channels down to try and appease customers over all this (including to M/Player), which has weakened the case for paying for the XL/Full House pack that I'm on, so I could use the three free months at that point to keep access for a little longer to some of the channels that I'll lose.

OLD BOY 26-07-2018 08:50
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
ITV is now jumping on the bandwagon and threatening to withdraw its channels from VM!

However, it looks like they are close to a deal and VM say the ITV channels will remain on the platform.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...unning-dispute

denphone 26-07-2018 09:09
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
l dare them to do it as turkeys don't vote for Christmas..

Gavin-D 26-07-2018 09:34
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956559)
ITV is now jumping on the bandwagon and threatening to withdraw its channels from VM!

However, it looks like they are close to a deal and VM say the ITV channels will remain on the platform.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...unning-dispute
Aww what will Love Island fans do...

:D:D:D

pengedragon 26-07-2018 09:34
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
ITV should withdraw their channels from everywhere, give the country a boost :D

Gavin-D 26-07-2018 09:55
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Looking forward to the negotiations with Sky early next year

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/07/7.gif

denphone 26-07-2018 10:06
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Perhaps the knowledgeable stalwarts of this forum can smooth the negotiations.:D

Mr K 26-07-2018 10:26
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956559)
ITV is now jumping on the bandwagon and threatening to withdraw its channels from VM!

However, it looks like they are close to a deal and VM say the ITV channels will remain on the platform.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...unning-dispute
Sensing now the time to get VM at its weakest no doubt..... Really don't watch ITV, rather have UKTV, but each to their own and the more choice, the better.

Beginning to think this outcry over UKTV is partly because we don't really make sitcoms any longer (the ones we do are terrible) - there's a large market for them. Steptoe/Dads Army/Porridge/Only Fools/Likely Lads/Fawlty Towers, are classics and do stand up to repeating. People need a bit of cheering up these days.

pengedragon 26-07-2018 10:35
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35955434)
Presumably stuff already recorded will be able to view ? I know you can't do this with premium channels once unsubscribed, but I guess uktv recordings will be ok ?
think I read on here you'll be able to access them for 3 months

Mr K 26-07-2018 10:38
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pengedragon (Post 35956576)
think I read on here you'll be able to access them for 3 months
Mind you if you've got a old TIVO with a scart out, you can 'archive' to your own HD/DVD. The V6 has lost this user friendly feature !

denphone 26-07-2018 12:49
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Perhaps more ominous news regarding UKTV..

Quote:
Virgin Media’s four million pay-TV customers face permanently losing UKTV’s 10 channels, which include Dave and Gold, as the cable company looks to auction off the channel slots to rivals.
Quote:
Virgin Media has sent a letter to broadcasters and media companies asking for expressions of interest in taking over the channel slots, with responses due by Friday.
Quote:
Virgin Media has called the BBC a “dinosaur” for holding back the video on demand rights to its programming, instead selling digital rights to shows such as Top Gear to players such as Netflix. Virgin Media has said this strategy was no longer acceptable as viewers expect to be able to watch shows on demand.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...as-row-deepens

SonicMaster 26-07-2018 13:07
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35956591)
Perhaps more ominous news regarding UKTV..

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...as-row-deepens
I think this is good news, as it really puts the pressure on UKTV... they will be very keen to hang on to all those prominent slots near the top of the EPG and may now be willing to give VM a better deal rather than risk losing them all...

Quote:
UKTV occupies 23 channel slots – including high definition and plus one-hour versions of its 10 channel portfolio – a number of which are in coveted, valuable positions high on the electronic programme guide viewers use. In total, the channel slots are likely to be worth tens of millions of pounds.
Quote:
Last year Channel 4 bid millions of pounds to successfully secure a high-rated channel slot, 106, for E4.

denphone 26-07-2018 13:10
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Well lets see Sonic as there are big players out there who would pay handsomely for those prestigious slots.

SonicMaster 26-07-2018 13:15
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35956595)
Well lets see Sonic as there are big players out there who would pay handsomely for those prestigious slots.
I'm personally not bothered whether they come back at all, but I appreciate that many others are, so I would like to see an agreement reached between them.

So far I'm not missing the UKTV channels at all, and when I really think about it, I haven't watched a single programme on W since it switched from Watch and adopted a female focus, I've never watched anything on Gold, Alibi, Drama, Really, Eden, Home, Yesterday or Good Food, and the only shows I watch on Dave (very few) I'll now use UKTV Play for. It's surprised me actually, as I watch quite a few programmes on pay TV channels like Sky One, Sky Living, FOX, Comedy Central, Universal and SYFY. UKTV's content clearly doesn't appeal to me.

Gavin-D 26-07-2018 13:55
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Virgin Media has refused to comment on the rumours, only confirming that there are no plans for any changes to its ITV offerings.

But it's more complicated still. ITV cannot technically remove its main channel (also called ITV) due to the way TV is licensed in the UK. The flagship is protected by public service broadcasting restrictions that means it must be made available across all platforms

However, reflecting how archaic the laws are, ITV HD could be removed as it is not technically part of the same deal as its simulcast standard definition channel.

ITV2, 3, 4, Be, both in HD and SD and on-demand services, Encore and ITV Hub are commercial operations and are not subject to the same restrictions, meaning that even though they are available (in SD) on Freeview, ITV is not obliged to make them available to Virgin Media.
https://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/3036...s-this-weekend

OLD BOY 26-07-2018 14:19
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SonicMaster (Post 35956596)
I'm personally not bothered whether they come back at all, but I appreciate that many others are, so I would like to see an agreement reached between them.

So far I'm not missing the UKTV channels at all, and when I really think about it, I haven't watched a single programme on W since it switched from Watch and adopted a female focus, I've never watched anything on Gold, Alibi, Drama, Really, Eden, Home, Yesterday or Good Food, and the only shows I watch on Dave (very few) I'll now use UKTV Play for. It's surprised me actually, as I watch quite a few programmes on pay TV channels like Sky One, Sky Living, FOX, Comedy Central, Universal and SYFY. UKTV's content clearly doesn't appeal to me.
I think VM know that this is how most people feel. The objections we are hearing are from a vocal minority.

I certainly have never worried that the UKTV channels were in the package I pay for, and I will be happy for those who miss them if a deal can be done, but I don't blame Virgin for standing firm on the rip off arrangements that previously applied.

I have no inside information, but I reckon what is likely to happen now is:

1. Ofcom makes clear to UKTV that it will not permit them to make their free channels available to other plarforms without charge but not to Virgin Media. This is patently unfair practice. They should tell UKTV to address that without delay if they don't want to risk censure. That move alone should bring back Dave, Dave ja vu, Drama, Home, Really and Yesterday to our screens.

2. It should rule that UKTV was in breach of an agreement with VM in that it failed to deliver the required 'on demand' content in line with their contractual commitments (assuming that they find that as a fact).

3. It should rule that negotiations in respect of Virgin's stance with regard to UKTV's premium channels and on demand content should remain an issue for negotiations between the parties.

I'm sorry, but I think the anger towards Virgin Media is misplaced because they have right on their side. People should be attacking UKTV for the present state of affairs.

---------- Post added at 14:08 ---------- Previous post was at 14:03 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35956603)
Yes, Ofcom needs to review the rules as a matter of urgency. This has become a fast evolving industry and Ofcom appears not to be keeping up. If ITV has certain privileges as a public service provider, it needs to behave like one.

---------- Post added at 14:19 ---------- Previous post was at 14:08 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by SonicMaster (Post 35956594)
I think this is good news, as it really puts the pressure on UKTV... they will be very keen to hang on to all those prominent slots near the top of the EPG and may now be willing to give VM a better deal rather than risk losing them all...
I agree. A deal is likely to be forthcoming sooner rather than later, I feel.

Dave42 26-07-2018 14:22
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
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Hi Josie,
We continue to have constructive discussions with ITV.

All ITV channels remain live on Virgin TV and we have no intention of removing them.

denphone 26-07-2018 14:26
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35956611)
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Hi Josie,
We continue to have constructive discussions with ITV.

All ITV channels remain live on Virgin TV and we have no intention of removing them.
Personally ITV would be extremely foolish to pull their channels from Virgins platform.

oxfordmark 26-07-2018 14:31
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
IF ITV went, surely that would constitute a break in contract for the customer?!

Gavin-D 26-07-2018 14:31
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35956611)
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@virginmedia
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Replying to @JosiePointer
Hi Josie,
We continue to have constructive discussions with ITV.

All ITV channels remain live on Virgin TV and we have no intention of removing them.
They (VM) may have no intention of removing them but if talks go the same way as they did with UKTV they'll be removed whether they like it or not

Mr K 26-07-2018 14:49
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956605)
I think VM know that this is how most people feel. The objections we are hearing are from a vocal minority.
Think you're wrong there OB, have a look at the official support forum...

Dingbat 26-07-2018 14:49
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Can’t be bothered waiting for them to sort this UKTV (and now ITV) business out, so I’m ditching VM TV and going back to Sky.

While talking to the VM Retention’s agent, it seems that there’s lots and lots of others doing the same.

This debacle is gong to bite VM where it hurts.

RichardCoulter 26-07-2018 14:50
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35956574)
Sensing now the time to get VM at its weakest no doubt..... Really don't watch ITV, rather have UKTV, but each to their own and the more choice, the better.

Beginning to think this outcry over UKTV is partly because we don't really make sitcoms any longer (the ones we do are terrible) - there's a large market for them. Steptoe/Dads Army/Porridge/Only Fools/Likely Lads/Fawlty Towers, are classics and do stand up to repeating. People need a bit of cheering up these days.
Absolutey. As I said earlier, the UKTV dispute will have repercussions far beyond the removal of these ten channels as other channel providers take advantage of the situation. I had assumed that the ITV thing had gone away (VM probably did too) and that the next major supplier to threaten to remove their channels would be Sky.

---------- Post added at 14:50 ---------- Previous post was at 14:49 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35956591)
Perhaps more ominous news regarding UKTV..

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...as-row-deepens
Obviously designed to put pressure onto UKTV to accept a deal.

denphone 26-07-2018 14:56
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35956617)
Think you're wrong there OB, have a look at the official support forum...
Yep they are pretty vocal on there..

Dave42 26-07-2018 14:56
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35956619)
Absolutey. As I said earlier, the UKTV dispute will have repercussions far beyond the removal of these ten channels as other channel providers take advantage of the situation. I had assumed that the ITV thing had gone away (VM probably did too) and that the next major supplier to threaten to remove their channels would be Sky.

---------- Post added at 14:50 ---------- Previous post was at 14:49 ----------



Obviously designed to put pressure onto UKTV to accept a deal.
they not budging one bit still say it very unlikely they be back on twitter and keep telling people to move to sky bt or talk talk

RichardCoulter 26-07-2018 14:56
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956605)
I think VM know that this is how most people feel. The objections we are hearing are from a vocal minority.

I certainly have never worried that the UKTV channels were in the package I pay for, and I will be happy for those who miss them if a deal can be done, but I don't blame Virgin for standing firm on the rip off arrangements that previously applied.

I have no inside information, but I reckon what is likely to happen now is:

1. Ofcom makes clear to UKTV that it will not permit them to make their free channels available to other plarforms without charge but not to Virgin Media. This is patently unfair practice. They should tell UKTV to address that without delay if they don't want to risk censure. That move alone should bring back Dave, Dave ja vu, Drama, Home, Really and Yesterday to our screens.

2. It should rule that UKTV was in breach of an agreement with VM in that it failed to deliver the required 'on demand' content in line with their contractual commitments (assuming that they find that as a fact).

3. It should rule that negotiations in respect of Virgin's stance with regard to UKTV's premium channels and on demand content should remain an issue for negotiations between the parties.

I'm sorry, but I think the anger towards Virgin Media is misplaced because they have right on their side. People should be attacking UKTV for the present state of affairs.

---------- Post added at 14:08 ---------- Previous post was at 14:03 ----------



Yes, Ofcom needs to review the rules as a matter of urgency. This has become a fast evolving industry and Ofcom appears not to be keeping up. If ITV has certain privileges as a public service provider, it needs to behave like one.

---------- Post added at 14:19 ---------- Previous post was at 14:08 ----------



I agree. A deal is likely to be forthcoming sooner rather than later, I feel.
This issue is gaining momentum by the day, I've never known such an outcry over channel removals from a platform. Not ever.

Even if, for the sake of argument, we are to assume that VM are right, they have clearly not thought of the bigger picture. The right thing to do is not always the correct thing to do.

oxfordmark 26-07-2018 15:00
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Should posts about ITV channels leaving be kept to the relevant thread?

RichardCoulter 26-07-2018 15:03
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by oxfordmark (Post 35956614)
IF ITV went, surely that would constitute a break in contract for the customer?!
Another possible repercussion that VM have not taken into sccount. If the clause in the contract allowing them to remove channels with nothing that customers can do about it is found to be unfair, it will have to be removed of amended.

This could mean that, in the future, even the removal of something minor like a shopping channel could allow customers to leave within contract without financial penalty.

OLD BOY 26-07-2018 15:07
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35956621)
Yep they are pretty vocal on there..
I know. They are indeed the vocal minority. It's not the numbers so much as the proportion of subscribers out of the 4 million or so.

denphone 26-07-2018 15:11
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956630)
I know. They are indeed the vocal minority. It's not the numbers so much as the proportion of subscribers out of the 4 million or so.
Vocal minority or not they still pretty representative of Virgins wider customer base one suspects.

alwaysabear 26-07-2018 15:13
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956630)
I know. They are indeed the vocal minority. It's not the numbers so much as the proportion of subscribers out of the 4 million or so.
Its the quiet people you have to watch out for.

Gavin-D 26-07-2018 15:13
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingbat (Post 35956618)
Can’t be bothered waiting for them to sort this UKTV (and now ITV) business out, so I’m ditching VM TV and going back to Sky.

While talking to the VM Retention’s agent, it seems that there’s lots and lots of others doing the same.

This debacle is gong to bite VM where it hurts.
They deserve all they get after this a complete shambles

I feel sorry for those who've just taken new contracts they'll have to hope the price rise letters get sent out so they can cancel that way

OLD BOY 26-07-2018 15:14
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35956627)
Another possible repercussion that VM have not taken into sccount. If the clause in the contract allowing them to remove channels with nothing that customers can do about it is found to be unfair, it will have to be removed of amended.

This could mean that, in the future, even the removal of something minor like a shopping channel could allow customers to leave within contract without financial penalty.
Which would be stupid, right?

Let's not over-react. Carriage disputes like this go on all the time in the US.

It has happened before between Sky and Virgin. Sky almost had its Discovery channels dropped barely a few months ago.

The TV industry is now under threat from the global streamers, and whether we like it or not, the telcos have to respond. They cannot afford to keep paying channels sky high prices for their content when all the content on providers like Netflix can be had for under a tenner.

I am afraid it is UKTV who are in denial.

alwaysabear 26-07-2018 15:26
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35956633)
They deserve all they get after this a complete shambles

I feel sorry for those who've just taken new contracts they'll have to hope the price rise letters get sent out so they can cancel that way
I have just taken a new contract out and a very good deal it is, so I am very happy as VM still carry everything I need.

oxfordmark 26-07-2018 15:28
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingbat (Post 35956618)
Can’t be bothered waiting for them to sort this UKTV (and now ITV) business out, so I’m ditching VM TV and going back to Sky.

While talking to the VM Retention’s agent, it seems that there’s lots and lots of others doing the same.

This debacle is gong to bite VM where it hurts.
Are you in contract?

Media Boy UK 26-07-2018 15:33
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956634)
Which would be stupid, right?

Let's not over-react. Carriage disputes like this go on all the time in the US.

It has happened before between Sky and Virgin. Sky almost had its Discovery channels dropped barely a few months ago.

The TV industry is now under threat from the global streamers, and whether we like it or not, the telcos have to respond. They cannot afford to keep paying channels sky high prices for their content when all the content on providers like Netflix can be had for under a tenner.

I am afraid it is UKTV who are in denial.
What in hell are liberty global doing?

Discovery (who part own UKTV) and liberty global BOTH own All3Media.

liberty global own 9.9% of ITV.

Dingbat 26-07-2018 15:37
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by oxfordmark (Post 35956639)
Are you in contract?
No, although the offshore reception agent I first spoke to tried to suggest I was, until the facts were (politely) put to her.

And to further annoy, the Retentions agent tried to give me a different (higher) price for keeping landline and broadband than I was quoted two days ago. She only backed down when I told her I’d be requesting a recording of the original call to take to Ofcom.

denphone 26-07-2018 15:39
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35956640)
What in hell are liberty global doing?

Discovery (who part own UKTV) and liberty global BOTH own All3Media.

liberty global own 9.9% of ITV.
Heads are likely to roll one suspects as watch this space..

Media Boy UK 26-07-2018 15:46
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35956645)
Heads are likely to roll one suspects as watch this space..
Or takeovers.

denphone 26-07-2018 15:48
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35956649)
Or takeovers.
l would not rule that out as consolidation is the in word currently.

Gavin78 26-07-2018 16:06
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
wouldn't suprise me if VM pulled the TV altogether in the future and just provided BB.

Mad Max 26-07-2018 16:07
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35956656)
wouldn't suprise me if VM pulled the TV altogether in the future and just provided BB.

Then we could all subscribe to Sky's dish free service...….:D

Mr K 26-07-2018 16:11
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35956645)
Heads are likely to roll one suspects as watch this space..
Things haven't been going well for Liberty Global shares lately....

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/07/9.jpg

denphone 26-07-2018 16:13
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35956658)
Things haven't been going well for Liberty Global shares lately....

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/07/10.jpg
Remember with stocks and shares what goes up must come down and vice versa Mr K.

japitts 26-07-2018 16:53
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingbat (Post 35956618)
Can’t be bothered waiting for them to sort this UKTV (and now ITV) business out, so I’m ditching VM TV and going back to Sky.

While talking to the VM Retention’s agent, it seems that there’s lots and lots of others doing the same.

This debacle is gong to bite VM where it hurts.
I'm in the "not bothered about UKTV too much" camp, I barely watch them but do think Virgin have - as far as customer service goes - handled this whole debacle just about as badly as they could. We've just "renewed" our Full House package, but the whole thing just leaves us feeling quite cheesed off!

As far as VM being hit in the pockets, well if that's what it takes to make either them or UKTV see sense then so be it.

RichardCoulter 26-07-2018 18:04
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35956630)
I know. They are indeed the vocal minority. It's not the numbers so much as the proportion of subscribers out of the 4 million or so.
As per the BBC Radio 4 programme 'The Media Show', a poll shows that 43% of VM customers say that they will be at least considering leaving VM because of this. Not the majority of customers no, but enough to ruin the TV side. As many people find it better value to obtain telephony and broadband from the same supplier in a triple play offering, this may well have a detrimental affect on their other services too.

Dave42 26-07-2018 18:06
Re: VM loses UKTV channels
 
https://dtw.co.uk/twitter-when-brands-break-up/


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