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pip08456 08-07-2018 23:26
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35953054)
England v Russia is a World Cup fixture bound to happen now...
Nope, Russia got knocked out.
Wrong yet again Mr_K

Mick 08-07-2018 23:54
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35953633)
Nope, Russia got knocked out.
Wrong yet again Mr_K
To be fair to Mr K - he wrote that post before they were knocked out...

Did I just defend a post from Mr K here? :erm:

pip08456 09-07-2018 00:13
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
OMG Mick he did and you did! My bad.

Dave42 12-07-2018 20:35
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
Police at 'Skripal' Zizzi restaurant in Salisbury

https://news.sky.com/story/police-at...sbury-11435072

Damien 12-07-2018 21:01
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
Poor Zizzi's just can't catch a break! Unless they're the one poisoning people with novichock....

pip08456 12-07-2018 21:25
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35954264)
Poor Zizzi's just can't catch a break! Unless they're the one poisoning people with novichock....
Is this a conspriacy theory???

Damien 12-07-2018 21:36
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35954266)
Is this a conspriacy theory???
It is now

Mick 13-07-2018 17:29
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
Must be Fast News Friday, just BREAKING: Small bottle found in Charlie Rowley's house that is believed to be the source of the Novichok Poison.

Mick 08-08-2018 20:42
Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 
BREAKING: U.S imposes Sanctions on Russia after it determined Moscow used a nerve agent to attack the Skripals. The State Department says it has determined Russia used novichok to try to assassinate its own nationals and will take action. State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said: "Following the use of a 'Novichok' nerve agent in an attempt to assassinate UK citizen Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia Skripal, the United States, on 6 August 2018, determined under the Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act of 1991 (CBW Act) that the Government of the Russian Federation has used chemical or biological weapons in violation of international law or has used lethal chemical or biological weapons against its own nationals."

https://news.sky.com/story/us-impose...sbury-11466190

Damien 08-08-2018 21:13
Re: UPDATED: U.S to Impose Sanctions on Russia over Salisbury Novichok poisonings.
 
Good, good. The US has been better than us traditionally for sanctions on Russia.

Mick 08-08-2018 21:23
Re: UPDATED: U.S to Impose Sanctions on Russia over Salisbury Novichok poisonings.
 
It's important to note that this U.S acting under their own law they passed in 1991....

H.R.1724 - Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act of 1991

https://www.congress.gov/bill/102nd-...bill/1724/text

Mr K 08-08-2018 21:32
Re: UPDATED: U.S to Impose Sanctions on Russia over Salisbury Novichok poisonings.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35958641)
It's important to note that this U.S acting under their own law they passed in 1991....

H.R.1724 - Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act of 1991

https://www.congress.gov/bill/102nd-...bill/1724/text
What exactly are the sanctions? Does Putin still have his invite to visit Donny and Belinda in the White House? He'll be well annoyed if not. He might just get that Trump and the prostitutes video out !

Mick 08-08-2018 21:43
Re: UPDATED: U.S to Impose Sanctions on Russia over Salisbury Novichok poisonings.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35958642)
What exactly are the sanctions? Does Putin still have his invite to visit Donny and Belinda in the White House? He'll be well annoyed if not. He might just get that Trump and the prostitutes video out !
You have eyes :eek: , Mr K - it explains what the sanctions are in the news link I provided.... No idea about the other stuff you asked, there is no evidence such a video exists, and if there was it surely would have surfaced by now but this is not the topic to be discussing this.

1andrew1 09-08-2018 00:04
Re: UPDATED: U.S to Impose Sanctions on Russia over Salisbury Novichok poisonings.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35958640)
Good, good. The US has been better than us traditionally for sanctions on Russia.
Good news. Wonder what made the US come round?

denphone 09-08-2018 05:32
Re: UPDATED: U.S to Impose Sanctions on Russia over Salisbury Novichok poisonings.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35958640)
Good, good. The US has been better than us traditionally for sanctions on Russia.
l echo that..

Mr K 09-08-2018 07:26
Re: UPDATED: U.S to Impose Sanctions on Russia over Salisbury Novichok poisonings.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35958653)
Good news. Wonder what made the US come round?
Mid term elections and a bad reaction to Trumps continuing 'love in' with Putin?

Mick 10-08-2018 15:28
Re: UPDATED: U.S to Impose Sanctions on Russia over Salisbury Novichok poisonings.
 
Latest from White House: U.S strongly condemns Russia’s use of Chemical Weapons on U.K soil and says the Nerve Agent Attack against Sergei and Yulia Skripal is a “Reckless display of contempt for the universally held norm against chemical weapons.”

richard s 11-08-2018 20:43
Re: UPDATED: U.S to Impose Sanctions on Russia over Salisbury Novichok poisonings.
 
Took their time me thinks.

Hugh 12-08-2018 17:37
Re: UPDATED: U.S to Impose Sanctions on Russia over Salisbury Novichok poisonings.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35959004)
Took their time me thinks.
Quote:
Under the Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act of 1991, the United States is required to impose sanctions on any foreign power determined to have used chemical or biological weapons in violation of international law within 60 days of assigning blame to the country in question.
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...attack/567119/

Mick 05-09-2018 11:45
Re: UPDATED: U.S to Impose Sanctions on Russia over Salisbury Novichok poisonings.
 
BREAKING: Police issue European Arrest Warrants for TWO Russian Nationals involved in the attempted assassination of the Skripal's in Salisbury.

Quote:
British prosecutors say they have sufficient evidence to charge two Russian nationals over the Salisbury novichok poisonings.

They said they had enough evidence to charge Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov with the attempted murder of Sergei Skripal, Yulia Skripal and police officer Nick Bailey.

The men are also facing charges of conspiracy to murder Mr Skripal, the use and possession of novichok contrary to the Chemical Weapons Act, and causing grievous bodily harm with intent to Yulia Skripal and Mr Bailey.

It comes after the Skripals were found slumped on a park bench in March after coming into contact with the military-grade nerve agent in Salisbury.
https://news.sky.com/story/salisbury...pects-11490744

Chris 05-09-2018 16:31
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
Something tells me their extradition will not be forthcoming...

Uncle Peter 05-09-2018 17:28
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
The kip of the pair of them: About as subtle as a flying mallet.

I expect that our friends on the West side of the river know exactly what their real names are.

Gavin78 06-09-2018 02:31
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
They won't do much about it even if they did know the names. America wont start a war with Russia and the rest are too weak to make an attempt. existing Sanctions haven't stopped Russia now so why would further ones make a difference?

Unless something has happened and Putin doesn't know about it within his own ranks well we might as well just "carry on"

Maggy 06-09-2018 14:51
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
What amazes me is the number of people on social media (one or two whom are friends) who think that the Russians are being demonised and someone else is guilty. When you ask who they just come out with generalities like holes in the story and it all taking so long to find the facts. They would rather think this government is guilty of subterfuge and possibly willing to endanger British lives to 'demonise' Russia.

Stuart 06-09-2018 15:22
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
I believe the Russians did it. It does fit in with Putin's style, even if he didn't directly order it.

That said, it troubles me. It troubles me that it was so public. The two people caught were apparently experienced spies, yet they got caught on CCTV? Maybe the Skripals, being experienced spies were unusually wary of quiet out of the way places (which would be the most logical place to kill someone - no one to notice, probably no CCTV), so would only go into busy public places.

That said, the Russians did kill that guy on London Bridge a few years ago. Can't get much more public than that. Maybe they were trying to send a message to other operatives. A warning that they can still be killed?

Chris 06-09-2018 15:59
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35962453)
I believe the Russians did it. It does fit in with Putin's style, even if he didn't directly order it.

That said, it troubles me. It troubles me that it was so public. The two people caught were apparently experienced spies, yet they got caught on CCTV? Maybe the Skripals, being experienced spies were unusually wary of quiet out of the way places (which would be the most logical place to kill someone - no one to notice, probably no CCTV), so would only go into busy public places.

That said, the Russians did kill that guy on London Bridge a few years ago. Can't get much more public than that. Maybe they were trying to send a message to other operatives. A warning that they can still be killed?
They used a nerve agent that could only have come from a Russian government laboratory, and two well known military intelligence operatives rather than a ‘clean skin’ attacker. They had no intention of hiding their involvement here. Their only concession to op-sec was the false passports, but this will simply to have been to avoid the risk of a flag going up at immigration and preventing the operation from going ahead. Once it was done, they didn’t care if Five worked it out, in fact they would have been quite certain that they would.

I would say that Putin firstly wanted Russians everywhere to know that there’s nowhere he can’t get to them. Secondly he wanted to stress-test Western resolve. Exactly how far would we go in retaliation, and who would go with us?

Naming the “suspects” today is theatre for public consumption. They’re highly unlikely ever to end up in an English court, unless they’re careless enough to get arrested somewhere in an EU country. We will never know what the British and other governments are really doing about this, because that takes place in James Bond land, or at least the real-world equivalent of it. Probably more like Nick Stone, if you’re familiar with him.

papa smurf 06-09-2018 16:36
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35962463)
They used a nerve agent that could only have come from a Russian government laboratory, and two well known military intelligence operatives rather than a ‘clean skin’ attacker. They had no intention of hiding their involvement here. Their only concession to op-sec was the false passports, but this will simply to have been to avoid the risk of a flag going up at immigration and preventing the operation from going ahead. Once it was done, they didn’t care if Five worked it out, in fact they would have been quite certain that they would.

I would say that Putin firstly wanted Russians everywhere to know that there’s nowhere he can’t get to them. Secondly he wanted to stress-test Western resolve. Exactly how far would we go in retaliation, and who would go with us?

Naming the “suspects” today is theatre for public consumption. They’re highly unlikely ever to end up in an English court, unless they’re careless enough to get arrested somewhere in an EU country. We will never know what the British and other governments are really doing about this, because that takes place in James Bond land, or at least the real-world equivalent of it. Probably more like Nick Stone, if you’re familiar with him.
We could post the Glass container and the door knob to vlad in a cardboard box .

Damien 06-09-2018 17:07
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35962463)
I would say that Putin firstly wanted Russians everywhere to know that there’s nowhere he can’t get to them. Secondly he wanted to stress-test Western resolve. Exactly how far would we go in retaliation, and who would go with us?
Another theory I have heard is that the Kremlin is not as disciplined as it seems on the outside and that within it there are competing factions notably the security services and rich elites. So that some of these actions could be the result of that internal warfare either with one of the sides operating by themselve and/or Putin seeking the quell internal threats.

Gavin78 12-09-2018 14:08
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
Russian wanted over novichok poisoning 'to break silence'

A Russian man wanted by the UK over the novichok poisoning of the Skripals says he will comment on the case next week.

Russian state TV made the announcement, but did not specify which of the two men identified as suspects would speak.

Hours before, Vladimir Putin said Russia has found the pair and they are "civilians" with no links to the government.

https://news.sky.com/story/man-wante...lence-11495940

Stuart 12-09-2018 15:37
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35963000)
Russian wanted over novichok poisoning 'to break silence'

A Russian man wanted by the UK over the novichok poisoning of the Skripals says he will comment on the case next week.

Russian state TV made the announcement, but did not specify which of the two men identified as suspects would speak.

Hours before, Vladimir Putin said Russia has found the pair and they are "civilians" with no links to the government.

https://news.sky.com/story/man-wante...lence-11495940
In fairness to Putin, he is probably right, to an extent. Assuming he has full control (see above video), the security services may not want any evidence linking Putin with potentially illegal activities. As such, these men may actually appear, to all intents and purposes, to be innocent, relatively minor employees in a totally unrelated organisation. They've also doubtless gone out of their way to ensure that any orders given can not be traced back to Putin, even if he actually told someone to poison the Skripals.

If he has lost control of the Security services, someone really wants to make him look bad. That someone could be good for the west, or they could be far worse than he is.

Damien 12-09-2018 16:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35963012)
In fairness to Putin, he is probably right, to an extent. Assuming he has full control (see above video), the security services may not want any evidence linking Putin with potentially illegal activities. As such, these men may actually appear, to all intents and purposes, to be innocent, relatively minor employees in a totally unrelated organisation. They've also doubtless gone out of their way to ensure that any orders given can not be traced back to Putin, even if he actually told someone to poison the Skripals.
.
The ol' 'Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest' plan.

Chris 12-09-2018 20:25
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
Yeah, I expect they just do sales and admin for Universal Exportski ...

Hugh 13-09-2018 20:40
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
"There's the church
There's the steeple
Now off we go
To poison some people" - ancient Russian nursery rhyme
@AndyGilder on Twitter

Gavin78 13-09-2018 20:51
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
I like how Russia claims they are Civilians just doing a 9-5 job...I guess Novichok is just a cleaning agent over there.

heero_yuy 14-09-2018 08:49
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
Quote:
Quote from Gavin78:


I guess Novichok is just a cleaning agent over there.
Kills 99% of all known ex-spies. Dead. :D

Hugh 14-09-2018 17:33
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...chok-lf6kfwrsl
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Two Russian spies were arrested in March on their way to break in to the Swiss chemical weapons laboratory that was analysing the nerve agent used in the Salisbury attack, it has been revealed.

The Russian GRU military intelligence agents were intercepted in the Netherlands while on their way to Switzerland, where investigators believe they were targeting the Spiez laboratory. They were expelled from the country.

The arrests followed a joint operation by the British and Dutch secret services working with the Swiss intelligence, the Nachrichtendienst des Bundes (NDB).

They were equipped with hacking equipment which would have been able to break into the computer network of the laboratory, the country’s institute working on protection against nuclear, biological and chemical threats.

It is the designated lab for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW).

At the time of the arrest, Spiez was investigating poison gas attacks by the Assad regime in Syria and the attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury.

The Swiss NDB has confirmed the “case of the Russian spies discovered in The Hague and then expelled”.

richard s 14-09-2018 19:50
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
We went to Salisbury because or friends told us it was a fine city and had a lovely cathedral... it was until you used a nerve agent there.


RIP Dawn...

1andrew1 14-09-2018 21:14
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35963193)
They were just checking out the local cathedral and got a bit lost. Happens all the time! ;)

Interestingly, the Russians are having difficulty in believing the poisoners' stories.
Quote:
The bizarre account by two suspected Russian hitmen of an innocent tourist trip to Salisbury may have been met with predictable derision in Britain but Russian reaction has shown that even Moscow is struggling to find the story credible.
Maria Zakharova, the Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman, admitted that their version of events may have raised more questions than it answered.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...ewer-sc5679f33

Hugh 14-09-2018 21:26
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
1 Attachment(s)
This appeared in one of the ex-RAF FB pages

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1536956777

1andrew1 14-09-2018 22:29
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
This is my favourite so far.
Luftwaffe “just wanted to see St Paul’s Cathedral” :D

1andrew1 16-09-2018 23:44
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
More developments here - apparently the plane tickets were purchased at the last minute contradicting the defendants' long-planned vacation statement, a passport information dossier has a defence ministry phone number on it and the office issuing it normally only isssues passports for certain government roles.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-links-defence

RichardCoulter 24-01-2019 14:55
Re: UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects
 
Absolutely disgusting:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...-lets-13895026


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