Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35935240)

It was already known that the DNC paid for it no?

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935242)

The information was out there, but I didn't get your line about they didn't know who'd paid for dossier ?

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935275)

In my view, the Memo doesn't reveal anything I already hadn't suspected.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35935301)

So they got a warrant a couple of weeks before the election on someone who no longer was part of the Trump Campaign, and then did nothing with any info gathered to affect the Election outcome?

Worst Conspiracy ever...

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935305)

They renewed the FISA warrant 3 times in a period during the election and past Trump's inauguration.

You missed the word in the bolded bit above, the word, illegally!

That's a major issue and hardly just a conspiracy. Abusing the FISA Courts to SPY, illegally!

The Memo was highlighting this issue mainly.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935305)

You are wrong, as usual.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35935312)

I'm not a lawyer and even if I was I wouldn't know the inner workings of FISA courts but according the the CBS link above it doesn't allege a federal crime. Maybe it's not illegal to omit things in warrant applications just bad behaviour?

All this is also if we're taking the Republicans at their word that the memo doesn't exclude anything. If, for example, the warrant contained other information then the circumstances might change.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35935312)

Maybe it's not illegal to omit things in warrant applications just bad behaviour?

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35935316)

Never mind Hugh there's a few of us that are 'wrong as usual' ! It's a select club, enjoy :D

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935305)

You are wrong, as usual.

They renewed the FISA warrant 3 times in a period during the election and past Trump's inauguration.

You missed the word in the bolded bit above, the word, illegally!

That's a major issue and hardly just a conspiracy. Abusing the FISA Courts to SPY, illegally!

The Memo was highlighting this issue mainly.

You do know the Judiciary Committee chair Chuck Grassley has a memo on Steele, the FBI & Russia dossier also, they are working to declassify?

Their memo is set to be released shortly too, then there is the big grand prize, the OIG report. This addresses what he found with the Strzok text messages and 'Insurance Policy' that was discussed in Andrew McCabe's office, you know the same Andrew McCabe, deputy director, given his marching orders by Director Wray, earlier this week. Again, hardly just a conspiracy as you wrongly suggest.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35935354)

You also missed out a word...

"Allegedly"

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35935312)

I'm not a lawyer and even if I was I wouldn't know the inner workings of FISA courts but according the the CBS link above it doesn't allege a federal crime. Maybe it's not illegal to omit things in warrant applications just bad behaviour?

All this is also if we're taking the Republicans at their word that the memo doesn't exclude anything. If, for example, the warrant contained other information then the circumstances might change.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935364)

Great info Pip.

You have to remember, James Comey testified under Oath, in June 2017, that the information in the dossier was 'Salacious and unverified', yet when he was the Director, he signed off those FISA Applications, or at least a number of them, as per the information released in the Memo, yesterday. That puts James Comey in serious legal peril and that is just this, he also leaked Classified Memo's to his Professor friend who then leaked it to the New York Times.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35935365)

I still don't like Trump.;)

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935366)

This whole coup thing is not about the personality or the individual but the office of Presidency.

There appears to have been some effort to undermine it to some tune, whether people like or dislike the person or what they stand for, they were duly elected to that office and because of strong political bias in a top law enforcement agency, that is a serious threat to democracy.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935396)

And still after all that irrelevant bullshit, Hillary still lied under Oath... where is her indictment dear Hugh?

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35935401)

Trump has covered all his tracks. And if people, when watching Trump speak all his crap. He speaks ONLY about himself. What has achieved.

What a load of tosh. His people are suffering and so is the World is listening.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35935398)

Don't think Hugh is in charge of indictments in the US. However the Trumpster promised to put her behind bars, another failure...
( Trump has lied about his wig, but I forgive him :D )

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935406)

People are suffering, in what way?

Employment and the economy is booming, and millions of workers are getting thousand dollar bonuses due to the recent tax cut law changes, how are people suffering, please explain that one for me because I’m struggling....?

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But since Hugh keeps bringing up Trumps apparent lying all the time, let’s just remember Hillary is a serial liar, and had she, heaven forbid, won the presidency, we'd be none the wiser of these huge FBI scandals and FISA abuses under the Obama Administration.

But just to correct you again...Trump made no such promise, he said he would look in to getting a special prosecutor to look in to her situation. He initially decided against doing that, as that would have aggravated the ‘I’m with her base’.

It could still happen, there are Investigations being done. The Inspector General is looking at all this, given the shoddy FBI investigation by a rogue agent, it may spark a second special prosecutor in the near future.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35935401)

Trump has covered all his tracks. And if people, when watching Trump speak all his crap. He speaks ONLY about himself. What has achieved.

Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35935420)

Well if you have Fox news tattooed on your arse cheek you will probably believe everything Trump says, however there is an increase in unemployment in certain sectors but probably the areas that Trump is not interested in.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935434)

I don’t watch Fox News, you are another one who posts stuff because your hatred seriously clouds your judgement.

Go read here: http://uk.businessinsider.com/ap-us-...8-years-2018-2

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935448)

I had to laugh at this recent video and it just highlights the Trump syndrome/hysteria effect that people have.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35935456)

This is just the partisan syndrome effect. You could find videos of Republicans being told policies and loving them until they find out they were Obamas. Ditto Labour/Conservative.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35935464)

Like Trump claiming credit for the economy, when it's really down to Obama.
https://www.apnews.com/f81e6d4350c444a08c2dfcb9cd5bd81d

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935561)

Democrats are being pathetic. Totally untrustworthy given the parties attempt to rig the election, the real colluding side.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35935562)

Do you think Trump should fire Rosenstein or Mueller?

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35935564)

The democrats are the last one's that should try and take the legal high ground they are as corrupt as it gets and even diehard democrat friends of mine are saying they would prefer another option. Neither the democrats or the republicans really bother to look after ordinary americans and that's the problem of a two party state eventually they become as bad as each other and the majority loses out. I'm not sure how feasible a third or fourth political party would be in the U.S but they desperately need it as more and more americans become dissatisfied with the current setup.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35935624)

Without a US cutting edge treatment l would not be here now so l am eternally thankful to them for that but our health system despite its many faults in infinitely better.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35935625)

Is that something you had to go the US for or a treatment that eventually came here?

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35935627)

A top specialist hospital in London got them from the US as at that time the UK had nothing as technologically advanced as the devices they got from the US were far more advanced and thus because of that l am thankfully still here nowadays.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35935629)

Did the NHS pay for it?

And yes they are more advanced and that's good for all of us. Few would deny the US has some of the smartest people working on well-funded research. It just these experiments are not the day to day reality of US healthcare treatment.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35935633)

The top London hospital as far as l know got their funding for these devices from the NHS although they do regularly get considerable donations from heart foundations and charities as well to fund their ground-breaking work..

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35935638)

A friend of mine (now living/working in Winchester) was a British Citizen with a Green Card, married to a US citizen, working as a CIO in the USA with a NASDAQ company, with a great company medical insurance, but when he was diagnosed with MS, he had to come back to this country, as even with his top of the range package, his co-pay would be $50-70k per year, and that didn't include the limits of payments (so if his treatment went over $500k per year (and it was likely to), he would have to pay the top up (probably around $200k per year)).

He gets it all for free here in the UK, but it split up his marriage, as his wife was a Senior Exec in a Silicon Valley company, and she couldn't be based in the UK (they're still friends, and see each other once or twice a year).

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35935637)

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/37...-despite-photo





Such an eye for detail and accuracy...

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35935618)

Life expectancy
UK male: 79.4; US male: 76.9
UK female: 83.0;US female: 81.6

Healthcare spending (OECD):
UK: 9.9% of GDP
US: 16.6% of GDP

Uninsured:
UK: 0
US: 28 million

Number of adults made bankrupt by medical bills 2015
UK 0
US 642,000

% of people struggling to pay medical bills
UK 0
US 26

Thanks for the advice/commentary, Дональд, I think I'll stick with our "broke and not working" system...

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935650)

But not really. Perhaps he meant a "one to one" meeting.... which is more probable they never met one on one.

Still no evidence of collusion except coming from the pathetic Democrats/DNC and Crooked Hillary Campaign.

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Hmm, let me think, who was President in 2015?

Oh yes, that would be the EU referendum interfering, President Obama.

Was there a 'legitimate' reason for posting in Russian here?

This is an English speaking forum and ALL members should be posting in English as per the ToS.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35935658)

Apologies for posting Donald's name in Russian - I'll just call him "Russki Donald" from now on, to avoid confusion.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935650)

Hmm, let me think, who was President in 2015?

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35935658)

I wonder why he didn't say that, then?

Apologies for posting Donald's name in Russian - I'll just call him "Russki Donald" from now on, to avoid confusion.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935664)

Why Russki, what 'legitimate' reason do you have for using Russian terms/language for Trump?

I get there is an investigation but after all this time, nothing has been found, except links to the DNC/Hillary Campaign and Russia via Fusion GPS and Steele.... which you are conveniently ignoring because it doesn't suit your narrative. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35935701)

Are you based in Moscow Comrade 'Mick'? ;). (always suspected 'Manchester' was a cover :D )

Originally Posted by Mr K

Seriously, looking at some of the posts on news items in the Telegraph, it's clear some people are deliberately stirring in a skilled way. Suspect we're all being trolled by Mr Putin. Trump is just his puppet.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935664)

Why Russki, what 'legitimate' reason do you have for using Russian terms/language for Trump?

I get there is an investigation but after all this time, nothing has been found, except links to the DNC/Hillary Campaign and Russia via Fusion GPS and Steele.... which you are conveniently ignoring because it doesn't suit your narrative. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35935658)

I'll just call him "Russki Donald" from now on, to avoid confusion.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35935665)

How about ‘Tricky Trump’? Or Thicko Trump? Not many synonyms that work with Trump to be honest.

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35935715)

Couldn’t we just stick with the respectful and accurate ‘President Trump’ please?

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35935714)

The same as you have for saying crooked Hillary, when she has not been charged or convicted of any crimes, even after 10 years of Whitewater investigations at a cost of $90 million to the US taxpayer, and 10 different Benghazi enquiries at a cost of $10 million to the US taxpayer.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35935716)

Respect is earned, not just given because of a title.

When you call elected representatives treasonous because they don’t applaud you, you don’t deserve respect.

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35935715)

Couldn’t we just stick with the respectful and accurate ‘President Trump’ please?

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935717)

No, that's not the same at all. I call her Crooked because she is crooked, she robbed Bernie Sanders from the Primaries by getting the questions to the debates and now it seems she rigged the election via the DNC and Fusion GPS, by paying for the Fake Russian dossier. In other words, they are ones who appear to have colluded with Russia.

Calling her crooked does not align her to a specific country which is what you are doing referring to Trump as 'Russki'.

Now I asked you for a legitimate reason for associating Donald with the Russians, what is that legitimate reason please ?

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The Democrats/DNC are treasonous. They tried to rob an election remember... and only then when they still lost it, then try attempt a coup....

By the way, I saw the live feed via twitter, it was someone in the crowd who shouted out treasonous when Trump was saying they weren't clapping to all the good news, Trump just echoed what that person said in the crowd and that person is so right, they shouldn't have corrupted the FBI and try hide what they did for precious Hillary before and during the election, the *******s that they are!

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35935721)

Mmmm, so how has the master criminal Hillary evaded capture and imprisonment for so long comrade?? Does the US justice system not rely Fox news/Trump tweets ? Is treason a crime in the US ? obviously not or all those Democrats would be imprisoned ! Trump's an idiot and you know it. Roll on the mid terms, when electoral fraud will no doubt be blamed !

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935722)

Second, when you have BIASED and dirty cops working in your favour, I guess that's how one can avoid prison.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35935716)

Respect is earned, not just given because of a title.

When you call elected representatives treasonous because they don’t applaud you, you don’t deserve respect.

http://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/05/po...ous/index.html

He seems to be confusing love of country with love of president- by his reasoning, his and other Republicans behaviour during Obama’s Presidency was treasonable (I don’t think it was, I think it was free speech, but I don’t have his mind set).

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35935733)

Where in any point of your link did Trump call anyone treasonous?

Don't get me wrong but as I have said many times, I don't like him, I most likely never will but I would never misquote anyone on that basis.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935735)

The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has unanimously voted to release the Democrat version of FISA Abuse Memo, it now follows same process and goes to White House to seek approval for declassification.

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Trump never called anyone treasonous for not clapping at him. CNN in typical liberal style has taken what he said out of full context.... plus Trump called out someone who said it in crowd....

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35935712)

American stock market just had it's worst day since 2011. Down 4.5% :erm:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35935742)

In anticipation of higher interest rates Damien.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35935744)

Apparently so and they're predicting another sell-off today. :erm:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935773)

But isn’t it again the weird logic of liberals and the hysteria types that the big increases were all down to Obama and now the falls are all Trump’s doing.
!

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935783)

Bitcoin has also tumbled quite dramatically.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935783)

Bitcoin has also tumbled quite dramatically.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35935733)

Where in any point of your link did Trump call anyone treasonous?

Don't get me wrong but as I have said many times, I don't like him, I most likely never will but I would never misquote anyone on that basis.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935773)

The Dow Jones, apparently there was a correction then a sell off occurred.

But isn’t it again the weird logic of liberals and the hysteria types that the big increases were all down to Obama and now the falls are all Trump’s doing.

Oh and Andrew, don’t push your luck with me and you know exactly what I’m talking about. Grow up!

Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35935850)

A trump tweet from 2015, what did it drop my yesterday?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVUmXTRV...jpg&name=small

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35935854)

Must be fake. I don't even think there was a drop that big in 2015.

Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35935850)

A trump tweet from 2015, what did it drop my yesterday?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVUmXTRV...jpg&name=small

Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35935850)

A trump tweet from 2015, what did it drop my yesterday?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVUmXTRV...jpg&name=small

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35935869)

It's very easy to fake a Trump tweet, as I did so in this post not that long ago...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1034

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35935959)

Can't really see much to that story unless there is more information. The FBI director briefing the President is not a big deal, even Trump asking Corney wasn't the issue with the Russia Probe, it's if Obama tried to then intervene in an active investigation there will be an issue.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35936057)

Yes, but you’re forgetting, President Obama vouched in a TV interview that he does not interefere in FBI Investigations or talk to FBI Directors. However, those disgraced FBI Agents Page and Strzok are sending each other texts, one of them sent in Sept 2016 says, ‘POTUS wants to know everything we are doing’

So did he tell a blatant lie in this interview?

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35936144)

That is bullshit as it was said many times over by other intelligence agencies that voter machines were NOT hacked, even Comey testified to this effect that voter tallies were not altered by the Russians. It's just more false narratives to scupper the real story which is DNC/Hillary campaign collusion with Russia with the dossier.