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There are several factors apart from immigration. Let's not forget that most immigrants are young and healthy so not a big user of the NHS and thir impact on the NHS is outweighed by the numbers of immigrants working in it.

Other important factors include:
- Peoples' expectations of healthcare are higher
- Longer life expectancy
- Reduction in social care.

All councils should be encouraged to prevent bed-blocking regardless of which parties are in local control.

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What's your source for that? Their website does not mandate a standard 20% rate on everything.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs...c/vat-rates_en

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The young and healthy ones have come in with their parents and sometimes their grandparents, who may not be quite so healthy! It is quite clear, at least in my area, that the vast majority of people using A&E are Asians and others who don't even speak English when conversing with the people they have arrived with. This used to be the exception, but in the last decade or so it has become commonplace. We natives are now in a minority.

Nothing wrong with that, of course, but I draw attention to it because it disproves your theory that the level of immigration is not impacting on the NHS.

I agree that longer life expectancy has also played its part in adding the pressure and this has also led to the increased pressure on social care. However, this is too big and important a problem for Labour to deal with. It's Labour controlled councils who are causing most of the bed blocking.

Remember that under the Conservatives, hospital patients are no longer expected to drink out of vases. I know who I trust to make sensible decisions about the NHS, and Labour it ain't!

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Yep.

How on earth can 350,000 extra people every year NOT impact on the NHS and other public services? I dare say they won't impact on them or add to the proportion of aged in the UK when they get old and infirm either. :rolleyes:

The argument that immigration solves these problems is a nonsense. It just delays their onset but creates a larger problem for the future.

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Agreed,


As I've said before, there is an agenda behind mass immigration, and any Nation state that stands against it is under attack. This is why the EU links freedom of movement so strongly with trade and Trump's immigration policy is under attack from liberal pressure groups, largely financed by globalists such as George Soros.


Britain has relied on immigration to fill jobs rather than making sure they are training British people; That has come back to bite us on the backside. We need to face up to that and fix it, rather than compromise on immigration for an EU trade deal.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-answers-door/
Oh dear, maybe they are all snooker fans ? ;)

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... and what I can never understand is the mindset of those who, on the one hand, whine about so called lazy Brits who won't do the jobs migrants do but won't support changes to the UK's benefit rules which would encourage more Brits to work rather than claim. These same people then tell us we need large scale immigration to make UK PLC work... :spin:

Why would anyone in their right mind think that importing low skilled workers into the UK was a good thing when we clearly have a surfeit of our own? Maybe they just want to undermine everything HMG does because that's their end game.

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Hasn't the Government changed the rules to try and help achieve what you've said?

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Probably all glued to the TV laughing at Corbyn's political broadcast that aired today.

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Yeah that was a classic - almost as funny as Laurel and Hardy. :D

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I agree. It's a disturbing agenda.

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Yes they are definitely all out to get us. Let's all put our tin foil hats on....

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That's no protection from our Samsung TV which is listening in as we speak. :D

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It's the Bilderbergers checking up on you to make sure you don't go off script. I think they will be very pleased with you ;):D

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I'll just check my account and see if yesterday's posting fees are in there yet. :D
No, I'm really paid by the forum to keep the Brexitrumpers on their toes and to keep 'em keep posting. ;)

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If anyone gets a chance to listen to LBC's interview by Nick Ferrari of Dianne Abbot a few minutes ago please do and have a good laugh. It may be available to listen to via website at some point or even via YouTube As usual she hadn't got a clue about the numbers when referring to the all those police they're going to recruit and how much it'll cost. Talk about a car crash...

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They, (Labour) found out they could no longer say, increases to corporation tax would pay for it, given they have said they would use the revenue created from that to pay for the 12 things they have said they will do, by either increasing or adding to, so now they are saying increases to capital gains tax would pay for the extra bobbies.

Labour would bankrupt us in their first week, with the likes of imbeciles like Mcdonnell, Abbott, Corbyn and Thornberry at the helm.

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Scoff if you want to but there is some truth to it.

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Abbott's latest tranche of typical Labour nonsense is here for anyone who's interested:

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenter...ne-abbott-lbc/

First of all they're apparently going to recruit 10,000 new officers over a 4 year period at a cost of £300k (cheap police eh?). 45 seconds in to the torture she's banging on about recruiting 25,000 new officer per annum - that many?? Later on she's back to 10,000 police which she then reckons will cost £80m and at the end of the interview the number's skyrocketed to 250,000 new officers and she tries to blame the interviewer for that figure. :rofl:

Let's face it Labour have never been any good on numbers have they, least of all where OUR money is concerned...

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A link to the disastrous interview here.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3528136.html

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There really isn't.

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That interview was so embarrassing I could barely listen to it. Awful, awful, awful.

And it couldn't have happened to a nicer person. :D

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That person should not be let near a child's piggy bank let alone the public purse. It is time to stop giving air time to pitiful losers. It is not amusing any more. :mad:

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[There really is. An your mates, the Bilderbergers know all about it.

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Just talking shops.
http://www.economist.com/news/obitua...ied-march-20th

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BREAKING NEWS:

Theresa May has just listened to Abbott's car crash interview this morning.... Her reaction....

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You couldn't achieve it without a strong and stable Goverment. :D

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That does ignore what the man himself said :D

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He was joking though.

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That's not the way I read it but we'll have to agree to disagree :)

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Corbyn reckons he's not at all embarrassed by Abbott's utterly inept performance. Well he would say that and frankly it pales into relative insignificance when compared to the national embarrassment he is.

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Meantime the ever more pious Nick Clegg gets confronted with his hypocrisy:

https://order-order.com/2017/05/02/piers-wounds-clegg/

:D

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I think Ruth will do well in Scotland, Voting SNP is a only a vote for Independence, so to hell with that ,

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:)

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I can't believe how bad that was. I was crying with laughter :D

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Clegg will probably be unscathed as Piers is an unpopular figure. But Corbyn needs to keep Abbott hidden.

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I wonder if any of the 13 people who said they will be voting Labour in our poll would care to comment on Flabbot's interview......

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The mind boggles... :D

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society needs these people to balance things out

i was shocked at the lib vote :nutter:

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Gawd, there's another one, Nick Bleeding Clegg. How do you tell a multilinguist to politely go away? Perhaps:

Eff off
Le eff off
Effen offen
Achtung eff off
Eff off por favor

The fee-raising liar must have the skin of a rhino.

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libtards are made of something special :rolleyes:

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Looks like she's on a roll today.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwlfPo2eTfg

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i just can't watch all of that :td: it shows a party incapable of being in power she's an embarrassment .

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They're not fit to run a seafront whelk stall let alone a country.

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So now we know. The Shadow Home Secretary, faced with a direct threat of an imminent nuclear attack, would not press the button to save us all, but would prefer to change the subject!

..And yet there will still be those who vote Labour. Unbelievable! You really couldn't make it up. If the dreadful Corbyn/Abbott duo don't sink Labour, what on Earth will? :shrug:

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Now, that's just extreme. How could a seafront whelk stall survive with idiots like that running it?

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One roll is never enough for her :D. Who in their right mind can vote for these people?

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Who's going to hide Corbyn?

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he's out on the campaign trail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF3vmpTOisQ

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I'm beginning to think that the Lib Dems might actually become the official Opposition! What a strange place we are in.

What on Earth must the moderate Labour MPs think about all of this? They should have split from Labour while they had the chance and called themselves something with 'Labour' in the title to distinguish themselves from this dreadful rabble.

Unless they do this right now, while they are putting their names forward for re-election, I really do wonder if that party is finished. They will be decimated on June 8th unless something totally unexpected happens.

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she took her training from this Guy :LOL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO83b6wbKU4

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How would pressing the button save us? Perhaps if we didn't blindly follow America into whatever foreign whim they feel like a tiny island of western Europe wouldn't be a target at all. I'm very much with that episode of yes prime minister when he said he wouldn't press the button if the Russian tanks were rolling up downing street.

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Personally i would prefer a leader who would at least think of pushing the button if it was needed. Labour would just role over and give in by the sounds of it.

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Well, faced with an imminent nuclear attack, which was the question put by Piers Morgan, how wouldn't it? Delay = annihilation.

Anyway, the fundamental reason for having nukes, which the likes of Corbyn don't seem to understand, is to prevent a nuclear attack. By telling everyone that although we have this arsenal we will never use it, this is tantamount to actually inviting an attack on this country.

Simple logic, really.

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The supplementary question is, if you won't use them, will you get rid of them?

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Not simply enough for some people evidently.

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Why get rid of them if it keeps you safe from a nuclear attack? Am I missing something here?

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They're under strong medication and in a rubber room. :D

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Because the whole world now knows a Corbyn led government won't use them. Therefore, they are useless as a threat. So, to his thinking, they could be disposed of.


Corbyn is a dangerous person to have in charge.

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Indeed. :tu:

Apparently Dianne Abbot has Corbyn's full support. So that's all right then. :D

Doomed.

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It just shows the extent to which our Jeremy's judgement is hopelessly deranged.

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He is not deranged. He's back in the late 60s/70s with his thinking. The Woodstock philosophy was a delusion; most people get that now but Jeremy doesn't. We are now in the period where, at sometime in the future, it's not a case of if Nuclear weapons will be used, but when.

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Blimey, passingbat, are you depressed today? What a thought!

Just as well we will soon have a strong and stable woman in charge. :D

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Not at all; just saying what I believe is the truth.

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Trump's not all bad PB. We'll be ok. ;):D

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Labour's days may well be numbered. But none of the numbers add up! :D

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They do for Diane Abbott!

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We all know Corbyn is a unelectable idiot but May ain't that much better either IMO.:td:

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bet ya still vote labour

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Who l vote for is none of your business to be perfectly honest as currently at the moment l am undecided but when l do vote it will be in private just like those many shy Tory voters.;)

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She's an electable idiot! :D

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It's not the cream of the crop this time round. It's like a bad evening's poker in which you're dealt a succession of poor hands!

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Labour are a complete joke. A very poor one at that.

Corbyn won't use nuclear weapons and Abbott won't even concede that the need might arise and what they'd do if the UK was threatened by a maniac about to use nuclear weapons against the UK. Pathetic.

They're living in cloud cuckoo land.

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He's been talking this utter clap trap for decades.

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You're being very hard on PassingBat !

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She really isn't very clever :(

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She is a liar, tried to blame her mis-speaking, on doing 6 other interviews, but then she was called out on that on Daily Politics, they said to her she is a Senior figure in Shadow cabinet and she should be able to do reams of interviews. Then it was said later on that even the corrected figures are still not right. Yet her former lover boss is not embarrassed. Said before Shadow front bench are a bunch of stiffs with the emotional range of a teaspoon. :rolleyes:

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It probably is better to say nothing

No not really that simple, no one is queuing up to attack us, the real reason we have these weapons is so the likes of Dave and bliar can show of on the world stage and act like they actually belong on the top table. It was a rediculous question that deserved to be ignored or even better rebuked, what make believe scenario is being envisaged, a massive world war in which our nukes will make no difference to and just make us a target or is he thinking it'll be some nutter like kim Jong silly hair in which case do we need nuclear weapons to take care of him, no we don't or else we would've used them 60 years ago on his grand daddy.

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I don't like her silence on most subjects, imo it isn't a sign of strength but a sign of someone wanting to deny things they don't like or pass the buck

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No shyness here I'll be voting tory they might not be perfect but they are the best of a really bad bunch and they are the only one's I'd trust with brexit as both labour and the pathetic lib dems would happily sell us down the river.

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your right it's none of my business that you vote labour :nworthy:



tory for me i have this thing in my head that says we need a strong and stable government ;)

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She's the best Prime Minister since Tony Blair and the best Conservative PM since Margaret Thatcher.

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If Tony Blair is the yardstick it doesn't take much to get better, certainly better than Cameron so far.

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There's been Gordon Brown and David Cameron in between, so I would say good PMs can be found at the rate of about 1 in 3 at that rate. Working back in time, that's about right on average.

Blair was good as a PM, although you might not have liked his politics, and his ability to win elections with substantial majorities proves that he was popular at the time. However, many are now judging him on his crucial misjudgement on the Iraq war.

People might be judging him differently now had there also been a plan for the peace after the war, but I think the absence of such a plan was more down to the Bush administration, who were inept to say the least.

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He wanted then, and does even more so now, mass immigration. Enough said.

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Personally l am not impressed with her as everything she says she then contradicts by doing totally the opposite but then most politicians seem to have that disease it seems.

The one thing with Maggie even though l was not a great fan of her was she was strong which is something modern politicians despite big waving placards and slogans are not IMO as that is just pure utter ******** unless one believes everything they see or read..

As for Mr Blair well l think we know what is going to be on his epitath when he dies.

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Pure rubbish dreamed up by her advertising spin doctors IMO.

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Whoever one votes for is their own personal private business but whoever one votes for they should be respected for their decision whether they vote for the Tories , Labour , The Libs , UKIP or the Monster raving loony party as IMO childish insults by a very small minority lower the tone of what should be reasoned adult debates on the important issues of the day.:)

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:Peaceman:

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Nothing truer than that.

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Bottler :D

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that's the ban the bomb /cnd' i'll never press the red button corbinista slogan

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My mistake; I apologise unreservedly. My faith in you is restored :angel:.

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Lets not forget the education system as well he screwed that over

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Labour have done that for years! Anyone remember ITA?

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Correct it was New Labour's grand social engineering exercise - gerrymandering on a national level.

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Appalling performance from Jeremy Hunt on Marr. He admitted no Brexit deal would be a disaster for the NHS (think the PM might want a word with him !). Bumbling all over the place on everything else too, unable to defend increasingly failing targets, how he still in the job?

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So the usually invisible Jeremy Hunt actually turned to gives us more obfuscation and lies.:(

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did he mention bupa ?

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McDonnell was on Marr's show earlier banging on about the merits of Marxism.

That'll go down well in middle England... :rofl:

I don't know can you imaging a more motley crew leading the Labour circus than Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Thornbury?...
They make the likes of Kinnock look inspirational :D

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I imagine he won't be after the election. If there was an effective opposition party then he wouldn't have lasted this long.

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Tony Blair less popular than Jeremy Corbyn, poll finds



so this is why they didn't bring out the big guns



While one in three people (33 per cent) has a favourable opinion of Mr Corbyn, and 60 per cent an unfavourable one, Mr Blair’s ratings are even more bleak, at 21 per cent and 72 per cent respectively.

The survey of 2,006 adults by ORB found that 60 per cent of people who voted Labour at the 2015 election have a favourable view of Mr Corbyn, and 35 per cent an unfavourable one. Mr Blair is much less popular among them; only 37 per cent have a favourable opinion of him, while 56 per cent do not.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7721561.html

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T M is certainly a strong lady, I will be voting Tory a think I have never done before, but they are the strongest to fight Sturgeon,

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Is it me or does that translate to people who hate Bliar dislike Corbyn less? :D

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Bliar is about as popular as a rattlesnake in a lucky dip.

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Just watched it. John McDonnell came across as very reasonable and solid. He did an excellent job of hiding the extremism that resides at his core. If Labour want to win an election they should have him as leader.
A very dangerous man.

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Very. The thing is that we know all about the extremism that lies within and for those who don't it only takes a quick internet search to find out the truth. There's no way his previous isn't going to haunt him.

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The Sunday politics did show a short clip from Marr today and 2013, where he spoke of his Marxist beliefs

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His kind took my grandfather to the forest to shoot him and [Mod edit - word deleted] up my country and it's people with their evil ideals. My personal opinion is that people like him shouldn't be allowed that kind of publicity, just like it's denied to extreme right wingers.

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I don't think he should be denied the interview. But Marr is not up to the job of exposing his true beliefs. If he is a Marxist, he has the right to be heard, but get an interviewer who is more knowledgeable, with a bit of grit and isn't a pushover.