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The Scottish Government has conceded that they don't have a veto; a view supported by a number of legal experts.

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Wonder if this is why they are not in a hurry to invoke A 50

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This is the stuff of rebellions. Where's Wat Tyler when you need him?

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A swift comment on racism. No decent person is saying that people who voted to leave are racist, but sadly racists think 52% of the population agree with them.

This is the fault of those who played on the lowest common denominator fears of our population with thinly veiled xenophobia, and the small group that are racist. No-one else.

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The difference is that a General Election has legal standing, the Referendum was advisory - so no, they couldn't...

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Hung by the neck

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There's no hurry to invoke article 50 because no-one really made plans for having to. The people at the top of Vote Leave weren't expecting to win, Downing Street wasn't expecting a vote to leave.

We're pretty much stalling for time to try and get our excrement together and work out what we're going to do from here.

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This is exactly why they are stalling invoking A-50, the Remainers in the current government will going through everything they can think of, legally, to get out of a Brexit. There will be total anarchy on the streets I suspect if we don't Brexit and Britian will never be united again,

Best thing is a Brexit with a united country working towards the correct deals.

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You know what I mean.:rolleyes:

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Well, considering the rebels were mostly killed, and all the concessions they were given were rescinded, not sure he was a good example... ;)

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there's talk on the news of not invoking it till January 1 2017

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he's a brave fart fan ;)

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That's what you get for trusting the establishment to keep their word.

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Whilst we are still part of the EU, we should still have a voice in the EU. We have MEP's and their voices should still be heard. But the EU wouldn't like that of course, especially with eurosceptic groups starting to clamour for their own OUT referendums.

But our thoughts and wishes would probably be ignored as much as before.

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Thats how I feel. I feel I`ve corrected a mistake made back then, when just before we sailed for the far east, the PO came into the mess, plonked a load of ballot papers down on the table and told us to put our mark in the yes box. I`m sure that wouldnt be allowed to happen nowadays.

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I was hoping for a much bigger majority something along the lines of the 1975 vote ,something a bit more conclusive


Assuming the result stands Austerity is over ,we will need spend fortunes to employ all the extra civil servants we just made redundant to do all the negotiating


Not very often we agree but on this you are spot on ,exaggeration ,misinformation and down right lies have been the mark of this campaign from both sides .I have tried to defend the leave side because that is my choice but the way they have managed themselves since the result was announced is deplorable and does the voters a great disservice .

sounds like the Tories at the last election ,they promised the earth because they thought they would lose and not have to make good the promises

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You're confused between an election and a referendum ,referendums are advisory

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Well I can see a future, ten years from now, with the UK and Germany being a single super trading bloc with the the rest of the EU as some kind of decaying rubbish state with Scotland tacked on the outside.

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We will ,untill we invoke A50 then we will take no more part in any negotiations apart from ones concerned with us leaving

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Yeah I saw that Brian. For the forum audience the EU's financial year follows the calendar year so it'd potentially make things smoother if the UK leaves on the 1st January rather than near the end of the year.

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I'd wipe your glasses.

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I take it as a compliment. People who are reverting to ad hominem cannot answer the points made.

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If they don't listen to the will of the people after the result of the referendum then they will be committing political suicide in my opinion.

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You think so? With Germany left as the largest contributor the the EU budget and overwhelmed with immigrants the German people may well force an EU exit. It would only be logical for us to unite with our cousins to form one of the largest economic blocs in the world.

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I've just found out that we can still be part of the Eurovision Song Contest.

I don't know if that's any comfort to the remainers or not?

we'll be guaranteed a full nil points though.

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I don't think you'll have to wait 10 years to see the effects. I read somewhere that some EU organisation is planning to buy the London Stock Exchange and move it and its staff to Europe.

Given that finance is probably our strongest sector, that will have a major impact, especially with other banking organisations in the EU ready to step in.

Worse still, Goldman Sachs & HSBC are planning moves to Europe too if we leave.

The EU Referendum outcome is going to have many unexpected consequences and we will need to tread carefully because it's like a minefield out there and we really don't want to put our foot in it until we know all there is to know about the situation.

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Not surprising really as they let Australia in. Just wonder if next year we'll have other non-European entries!! LOL!!

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If the EU were prepared to reform and abandon the federal superstate dream there wouldn't be this issue but they still have no interest in real reform and are still planning the federal superstate. It isn't just here in the UK things are screwed up it's across the whole EU and despite the rising tensions Brussels just puts it hands over it's political ears and continues to hum the federal anthem. If it had stayed as a trade orientated union this referendum would never have happened perhaps instead of this being remain vs leave we should direct our anger to the small group in the EU who just won't listen.

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And did nigel say it'd all be over and forget differences etc if he'd lost the referendum, no he said its unfinished business

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57...f12?edition=uk

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Agreed. If the EU had been more flexible and remained just a trading union we would have all voted to stay and all the problems being generated like Scotland wanting to leave would never have happened.

I just hope Angela Merkel is reading this forum and is prepared to listen to ordinary British people.

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Like nigel did when asked about the 350 million being spent on the nhs each week, is calling it a mistake the same as an apology

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I think the problem for all of us was that both sides were economical with the truth.

It's not surprising that we ended up with the result that we did.

Cameron did not have a Plan B and Boris did not have a Plan A so we were all totally unprepared for the outcome.

I think the Conservatives need to get together and come up with a good plan quickly.

I just hope it's a plan the other parties can support.

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It is ridiculous all we have is Sturgeon threatening to block Brexit or break up the UK. Nothing from anyone else, I suspect lots of speeches, comments tomorrow.

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Given the polarisation in Scotland I think this is an entirely reasonable response. The question is, is it legal?

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I think the Scots are trying to act in their own best interests just like everybody else.

In situations like this we need a high quality solution that addresses everybody's interests and brings consensus.

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Not looking very likely at present

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Fixed that for you.

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Presumably we should here something from Leave tonight for tomorrow's papers and before the markets open so we might have a clearer idea of what we intend to do next soon.

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I have heard a rumour Osbourne is working with Gove and Johnson on a plan, Twitter so take it with a pinch of salt.

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You may be right!! LOL!!

However, there's no guarantee of getting independence given what the EU said to them.

Just wondering where their income will come from now that the value of oil has dropped.

Wonder too how they will resolve the issue of the Faslane submarine base.

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Osbourn is damaged goods. No way should he be involved in the future of this country.

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Doesn't matter. It would appeal to Tories in that it would help heal the division in the party, Boris would look smart and sensible in recruiting a rival and it would go some way to restore Osborne's reputation.

As I said it's only a rumour but it would explain why the trio have been so quiet.

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True. However nobody seems to have a plan at the moment. It will be interesting to hear what comes out of it.

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They've gone to have something to say before tomorrow so it's another reason the rumour would make sense.

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I think they might have been waiting for the EU response on the matter. The papers are reporting that America is still with us and Merkel has said that Germany still wants trade and there have also been rumours of the UK becoming an associated partner of the 27 members states so I guess now the talking needs to start.

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America have said the 'special relationship' is in tact but not much else. All buzzwords really. I think Merkel has joined operation 'stall as long as possible'.

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Link to this rumour please? It's very relevant to this thread.

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http://news.sky.com/story/1717059/os...ke-brexit-work

This is from friday morning

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Ciaran Jenkins from Channel 4 has tweeted that shouts of "send them home" towards EU migrants is now being witnessed.

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Go watch the Stacey Dooley interview on Luton, people shouting British police burn in hell. This is Britian today, not just a referendum thing. Go watch videos of the EDL long before the referendum.

Don't kid yourself Britian was ever any more or less racist or tolerant than France, Germany, Spain, America, etc.

I've spoken to people from one immigrant population that absolutely dispise another group of immigrants. Now more than ever all community's need to pull together.

An go read the gay pride thread on DS, a member of the LGBTQ Comunity says you can spot straight people by the awful dress sense and the fact they stink of BO, that's very hateful!

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Quite liking Dominic Rabb(?) on Question Time at the moment. He should be used more by the Leave campaign, so much more comforting that Boris and 'I hate experts Gove'.

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This referendum has let a British lion out of its cage, and no one has the ability or the will to put it back. Brexit will go ahead!

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Didn't even know it was on until you mentioned it Damien, due to the crappy TiVo EPG.

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Just seen some online photos of Boris meeting with 4 colleagues to prepare his leadership bid.

Looks like he is going all out for the leadership.

Wonder what he has dreamed up for dealing with the EU.

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But will we get the Empire back?

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No idea but you can bet your bottom dollar he'll deny ever saying it

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Racists will take any opportunity to have a go at decent people and that's always been the case and just as before it isn't representative of anything other then their personal ignorance. Not that it means a thing but my apologies to anyone who has been attacked in any manner and I hope they report it to the police but this has nothing to do with why people voted leave it's just an excuse used by cowards.

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EU officials now say triggering Britain’s exit may be done simply by Mr Cameron confirming the will of the British people at the European Council, which he is due to attend next week.

“'Triggering' ... could either be a letter to the president of the European Council or an official statement at a meeting of the European Council duly noted in the official records of the meeting,” a spokesman for the council of EU leaders told Reuters.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7103991.html

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What the hell are you talking about? Grow up move on, Brexit happened.

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But that's how it's always been :confused: invoking A50 is done by formal notification to the EU council ,it's a very simple process

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He needs to speak a formal statement however, it's not like they can up to him and say "Peopleinvokingarticle50saywhat"

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I think Hugh is being sarcastic at your idiotic remark of "letting a British lion out " ,what we have done is made complete idiots of ourselves .We have allowed our government to make a half assed job of the most important decision of our lifetimes .As it stands we have no effective leadership ,no opposition to the government ,a divided Kingdom ready to tear itself apart not to mention the citizens wanting to rip their neighbours apart because they voted the wrong way .

On the plus side Justine Greening decides that amongst all this turmoil now is the best time to tell the world she is in a same sex relationship :rolleyes:

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We could give it go ,wouldn't hurt :D

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Until we have a definite plan it would be unwise to invoke Article 50.

Just hope that David Cameron does not inadvertently do that at the next meeting of EU leaders.

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I know ...best shoot him now .........GARY where you at :D

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Absolutely.

This guy as I mentioned before changed my mind as far as the EU went. He makes a great point - article 50 should be invoked immediately. We made our bed, let's lie in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WY-tWsNKDY

Obviously it would be bad on so many levels but, hey, we didn't care about that when we went into the polling station.

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That's what I hate about being British. we always do stuff to keep the rest of the world laughing.

Them are the best. is she pretty?

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Cleaning my gun.
what you want?

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Well obviously some in this country seem to think we will.;)

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I doubt anyone thinks that, unless you have some proof of anyone saying it? I mean someone somewhere may think at some point in time not now nore later but eventually. An that's the facts!

It's a shame what seem like intelligent reasoned people are seemingly so closed minded. Remember you can re-read this thread in 2 years.

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Dislike of the EU is not confined to this country.

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Very true. Let's hope our vote leads to some serious reform without causing too many issues.

If it doesn't trigger some changes nothing will.

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They say "all the worlds a stage" at the moment we are the comedy act

Sort of ,in a prisoner cell block H kinda way

Well you know that bloke you hate ........

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I refer you to my previous posts.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post35845174 http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post35845174 Your sense of humour is only matched by your kind-natured posts... ;)

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But has it ever been used? And is there a full procedure written down? Or is all down to "negotiations" and making things up on the fly? :dunce:

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No.

No.

Yes.

You might've been wise to research this before voting to leave, ya know.

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Never been used and yes i suspect there is an element of making up of flies but all The EU are doing is putting pressure on us to invoke A50 so the ball's in their court

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Where are Gove and Johnson or anyone from the Leave campaign? It's been several days now. Most speculated they would have some sort of statement by tomorrow on some path toward, the leadership election complicates things but they could at least signal some intent.

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Boris is washing his hair and Nigels gone for a pint

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It would have made no difference to my decision.

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Indeed ,we are actually supposed to be able trust our politicians to take care of this stuff

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They are apparently working on taking leadership of the conservative party.

But IMO this would be suicide as half the electorate (and significant torrys are going to hate his guts right now). Theresa May will probably be leader.

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There has been an uptick of it apparently:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7104191.html

We should wait to see if there are more incidents of such things or if people are noticing them more. On the anecdotal evidence it seems a small minority of voters somehow think Leave winning validates their views even though most Leave voters wouldn't want to be associated with these xenophobic racist morons.

Screw getting our country back, we should get all the other countries back too! Why wasn't that on the ballot? Solve all our problems, Europe would have to trade with us if we owned Europe.

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Internal French surveys say 60% of the French hate it, but as with the Farage/BNP situation in this country, they are afraid to openly say so in most situations for fear of being classed as Racist By Association.

Moving their political allegiance to Le Pen may be the trigger for their government to start doing something about their EU membership rules. As it appears to have done in the UK when UKIP started to get support.

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Yes. It's literally what's going to happen from this point.

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I understood the point of voting to leave was to take back control. Weirdly enough take back control and hand it to those politicians that many apparently voted 'leave' to protest.

So off we go. Strap in.

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If you weren't aware of something as fundamental as the direct consequences of your decision I find myself wondering what else you weren't aware of.

By the by anyway. Another advertisement against direct democracy. :(

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The term "racism" tends to be overused and misused.

But I think that if the National Front starts making any further gains, the French government might rethink the rules, hopefully soon.

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The Government have just released an emergency video to calm the uncertainty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWkTQvlnDTI

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I'm confused Cameron did say he would see that the UK right no matter the outcome. now he has either being very clever or very stupid by quitting.

I think he should be hung for it. He spoke as the leader of our nation and hasn't followed it through

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Osborne to make statement before markets open.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

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i'm here if you need any help with that.

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that's how it was before your generation

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It's hilarious.

The silence from the leave camp has been deafening, one would think they didn't have a plan if they won................

Also where is gorgeous George? Pointless really because when Cameron resigned he basically signed George's resignation letter too.

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He is making a statement tomorrow (Osborne that is).

The only person whose acted with any leadership here is Mark Carney who stepped in to calm the markets somewhat on Friday. And he is probably about to be fired by team Leave whenever they emerge.

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That would be a big mistake as Mark Carney has been a tremendous asset. I hope they see sense and let him continue in post.

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he was part of project fear.
when he should have kept out of it.

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After the other day. and what with him being a failure and having to move out of no10 and the world still laughing at him. I think he may do it himself mate.

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He is still a damn good banker and he has taken more action than anyone so far to reassure the world generally of the UK's financial stability.

As it happens what he said turned out to be right with the £ dropping the way it did.

Moreover, he seems to be the only one with a Plan B to cover this eventuality.

Hopefully, the Conservative party will get on with electing a leader and we can move things on,

Hopefully, too, Boris and Co have come up with some good answers to resolve this mess.

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Finally Boris and Gove have emerged from the bunker and leaked that, yes, Boris is running for PM with Gove as his co-chair.

Sorted.

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Come on people this a BIG thing to happen the world has eyes on us. People can't be that simple to know that deals take a little time we don't fully know yet how things are going to work.

As far as the EU and UK were concerned it was a WIN WIN situation and it backfired now deals have to be made and if it is going to be right for the UK and the EU these things will take a little time.

Again stupidity on those that think this wont affect EU jobs we are intertwined the EU doesn't want to cause mass job losses as much as the UK. Despite all the EU threats they do want to trade.

I do think though despite all this our borders will still be open I think that is something the EU wont trade on?

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Finally..

Can't wait to see him doing silly things like giving an interview outside number 10 and then walking to number 11's door thinking it was where he came from earlier.

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It will a laugh won't it? :cool:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-36633388

Is this the sort of thing we can expect now ? The vast majority will be ashamed of this, but Brexit has encouraged the low lifes to distribute them (outside schools ffs).

Britain is much better than this but it's showing it's worst side to people that just want to earn a living. What next, cattle trucks to ferry them all back ?

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There are always idiots and morons around, they do not, and never will, represent the majority who voted to leave.

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BORIS HAS EMERGED!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...rope--and-alw/

Sounds like he is going for EEA-style deal. Freedom of movement, single market but no social chapter stuff.

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You know when a terrorist commits a horrific crime in the name of religion? We do not brand that entire religion a terrorist organisation.

You know when someone from country A commits a terrorist act against country B due country B's forgien policies? We don't brand everyone in country A a terrorist.

Britain is not and never will be a racist country because 1 prat made some plastic cards up. An the rest of the world knows this. Britian is not showing its worst side, a prat is showing how stupid she/he is, and she/he will shown how unwelcome their views are if they ever get caught.

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Down goes Sterling again in early trading in APAC.

Everyone ready for some inflation?

EDIT: Just seen a note about a Polish father and son beaten up today in East London by someone shouting for them to go home. This has all really brought out the best of this wonderful, open, friendly country.

Our country is basically leaderless with Nicola Sturgeon being the only politician to offer any leadership. We've seen a massive uptick in racist and xenophobic incidents. We still have no clue what the hell is going on beyond that Dan Hannan and Boris Johnson have both basically said that the main plank of the leave campaign, immigration, was bovine excreta as we'll still have free movement of labour from the EU.

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Since the result. I have heard some really stupid comments made against various nationals.

Racist comments made in social media, leaflets put through doors telling people to go home. And even putting graffiti on Polish building.

This is NOT how British people act. This are stupid morons, who want to cause trouble. Britain, whether is Ireland, Scotland or even Wales. We stand together as ONE

This great Island of ours MUST stand strong. We must accept the result. The decision was made by US the voter.

We will still be buying foreign goods. Today in Hounslow, where there were thousands of Migrants walking about enjoying the freedom , that this great country holds.

Don't blame your net door neighbour, who maybe a migrant for this result. Blame the politicians for the mess that we are in.
We have now problems in the Tories, And even in the Labour Party, where the entire Opposition has quit. And stupid Corbyn wont resign.

Do what l did tonight, write to your MPs about it. We need an MP that will stand for our rights. We voted them in, we can vote them out.

We are a Strong Country, And will survive. we are GREAT BRITAIN, so act like it

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We haven't been Great for ages. ever since they changed it to Pathetic for us.