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Media Boy UK 14-05-2016 12:27
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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837587)
So we would need if we have two new tivos we would need three superhubs
We posted all the info we have on superhubs yesterday.

andrewstevenson 14-05-2016 12:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837586)
1) The launch date of August - we was told yesterday "May not happen".

2) On the Superhubs - no info was given on if anyone who wants two new TiVo boxes will get two superhubs.
Well the planned launch date might not happen, that was expected. But sky offering 2tb and virgin offering 1tb that's not good, current superhub won't fit In my tv shelf

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837588)
We posted all the info we have on superhubs yesterday.
So I understand is it the sources don't know if it's a internal or external superhub

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Also to the sources and MB thanks for all the info, all we might need is pricing to work out if it is for me

Media Boy UK 14-05-2016 12:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837589)
virgin offering 1tb that's not good,
We are getting mix information on this from our sources.

1andrew1 14-05-2016 12:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837586)
1) The launch date of August - we was told yesterday "May not happen".
We know it's not August but Winter 2016/17 as VM have said this in an interview.

andrewstevenson 14-05-2016 12:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837592)
We are getting mix information on this from our sources.
At least your sources tell us info. I think there might be a 1tb and 2tb option

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35837593)
We know it's not August but Winter 2016/17 as VM have said this in an interview.
I'm hoping virgin don't do the pre register and then you don't hear from them

OLD BOY 14-05-2016 12:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35837530)
There are many public amenities that I don't use, but are funded out of national/local tax. Should they be made subscription services?

Of course not; we all pay for many public services that we don't personally use, but their net benefit to the country as a whole is positive.
I don't think it is right to compare entertainment in the home with essential public services such as social care, public health, waste services, etc.

These services benefit everyone either directly or indirectly. Even if you don't have children, you still benefit from education services because this ensures that society can continue to develop and function properly when we get old.

Personal entertainment is not in the same category, and given the resentment that some feel because they don't watch or listen to the BBC and so they are effectively paying for others to be entertained, the licence fee is not the best way to fund the BBC.

I don't know where the objection to a subscription funded BBC comes from. If the cost is about the same as a licence fee, what is there to complain about?

Judging by the reports on the popularity of the corporation, most people would choose to subscribe anyway. So what is the big deal?

Stephen 14-05-2016 13:11
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I don't think it will be an actual superhub in each stb as such but more a modem like the current boxes.

Or that they will connect by WiFi to each other.

1andrew1 14-05-2016 13:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35837601)
I don't think it is right to compare entertainment in the home with essential public services such as social care, public health, waste services, etc.

These services benefit everyone either directly or indirectly. Even if you don't have children, you still benefit from education services because this ensures that society can continue to develop and function properly when we get old.

Personal entertainment is not in the same category, and given the resentment that some feel because they don't watch or listen to the BBC and so they are effectively paying for others to be entertained, the licence fee is not the best way to fund the BBC.
The BBC is not all about entertainment. Education and learning is a key part of its remit and that falls into the category of public good as you have explained above.

andrewstevenson 14-05-2016 13:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35837603)
I don't think it will be an actual superhub in each stb as such but more a modem like the current boxes.

Or that they will connect by WiFi to each other.
I hope so because having 3 superhub for 2 TiVo look daft

1andrew1 14-05-2016 13:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837594)
At least your sources tell us info. I think there might be a 1tb and 2tb option]

I'm hoping virgin don't do the pre register and then you don't hear from them
As I understand things, the new box will be Eos with Tivo software loaded on it and likely cloud based. So perhaps a higher capacity really than 1Tb if it just pulls in on-demand content for some "recordings" but maybe with a 1Tb hard drive for those recordings that will not be available on-demand?

passingbat 14-05-2016 13:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35837601)
I don't think it is right to compare entertainment in the home with essential public services such as social care, public health, waste services, etc.

These services benefit everyone either directly or indirectly. Even if you don't have children, you still benefit from education services because this ensures that society can continue to develop and function properly when we get old.

Personal entertainment is not in the same category, and given the resentment that some feel because they don't watch or listen to the BBC and so they are effectively paying for others to be entertained, the licence fee is not the best way to fund the BBC.

I don't know where the objection to a subscription funded BBC comes from. If the cost is about the same as a licence fee, what is there to complain about?

Judging by the reports on the popularity of the corporation, most people would choose to subscribe anyway. So what is the big deal?
You seem to be only using one part of what the BBC is designed to do:

Quote:

Our mission

To enrich people's lives with programmes and services that inform, educate and entertain

http://www.bbc.co.uk/corporate2/insi...ion_and_values
No wonder you don't see it's full value if you're only considering the entertainment part.

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I don't know where the objection to a subscription funded BBC comes from. If the cost is about the same as a licence fee, what is there to complain about?
Are you serious? The BBC could never provide the breadth of content it does now on a £12.50 p/m subscription model.

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Judging by the reports on the popularity of the corporation, most people would choose to subscribe anyway. So what is the big deal
Given that the licence fee was retained because of the overwhelming support for it in surveys prior to the white paper, that makes the above statement nonsense.

I think your determination to privatise the BBC, which is perfectly in line with what this government would like to do (fortunately held back by a sensible public, who put reason before political dogma), makes your views and mine so far apart, that it's pointless clogging up this thread with more discussion.

OLD BOY 14-05-2016 14:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35837608)
You seem to be only using one part of what the BBC is designed to do:

No wonder you don't see it's full value if you're only considering the entertainment part.

Are you serious? The BBC could never provide the breadth of content it does now on a £12.50 p/m subscription model.

Given that the licence fee was retained because of the overwhelming support for it in surveys prior to the white paper, that makes the above statement nonsense.

I think your determination to privatise the BBC, which is perfectly in line with what this government would like to do (fortunately held back by a sensible public, who put reason before political dogma), makes your views and mine so far apart, that it's pointless clogging up this thread with more discussion.
There was indeed support for the licence fee but this isn't why it was retained for the time being. Your comment that the BBC could not provide the same service on a subscription that is equivalent to the licence fee doesn't make sense, unless of course you believe that hordes of people would not subscribe. Which rather goes against the idea that the BBC has overwhelming support, doesn't it?

For the record, I do believe that the BBC commands a lot of support from the public and that most would, in fact subscribe. But that doesn't take away from the argument that those who do not watch or listen should not be compelled to pay.

A subscription service would give people choice, ensure that time, cost and energy in checking that people not paying were not watching TV would no longer be expended and viewers who did not pay ceased to get away with it.

1andrew1 14-05-2016 14:13
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35837613)
There was indeed support for the licence fee but this isn't why it was retained for the time being. Your comment that the BBC could not provide the same service on a subscription that is equivalent to the licence fee doesn't make sense, unless of course you believe that hordes of people would not subscribe. Which rather goes against the idea that the BBC has overwhelming support, doesn't it?
A subscription service introduces a high ongoing cost which needs to be covered somehow. What about most homes that don't have pay TV services? A one-off substantial investment would be required to establish a charging mechanism for these homes.
For the record, of Sky's £20 base pack, the majority goes on marketing, encryption, admin, equipment subsidies so the licence fee would have to rise to cover some of these costs or further services would have to be cut.
So, it's not a simple case of rebranding the licence fee to a subscription fee and assuming costs stay the same. They don't.

RichardCoulter 14-05-2016 15:31
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Someone on the L TV package has noticed that TV5 Monde is now available.

Is this a package change or temporary?

If temporary, does anyone know how long this will be for?

Mad Max 14-05-2016 15:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35837635)
Someone on the L TV package has noticed that TV5 Monde is now available.

Is this a package change or temporary?

If temporary, does anyone know how long this will be for?

No disrespect Richard, but is anyone really interested in this channel? I mean we have enough dross as it is....

1andrew1 14-05-2016 15:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35837635)
Someone on the L TV package has noticed that TV5 Monde is now available.

Is this a package change or temporary?

If temporary, does anyone know how long this will be for?
Maybe just for the Eurovision weekend? Normally just in XL.

andrewstevenson 14-05-2016 16:12
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I wonder now we know, that there is more tuners how many do we think it will have

andrewstevenson 14-05-2016 19:43
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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837646)
I wonder now we know, that there is more tuners how many do we think it will have
I think around 8 or 10 tuners

RichardCoulter 14-05-2016 20:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35837636)
No disrespect Richard, but is anyone really interested in this channel? I mean we have enough dross as it is....
It's not a channel that I watch either, I was asking for someone else.

Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837677)
I think around 8 or 10 tuners
But if this is for a box with only 1TB, we'll be in a worse position than having a V+ box with only 80 hours of SD and 20 hours HD recording space!

andrewstevenson 14-05-2016 20:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35837680)
It's not a channel that I watch either, I was asking for someone else.



But if this is for a box with only 1TB, we'll be in a worse position than having a V+ box with only 80 hours of SD and 20 hours HD recording space!
MB said there is different info coming in on this, well the 1tb is the current max on TiVo

toady 15-05-2016 11:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35837636)
No disrespect Richard, but is anyone really interested in this channel? I mean we have enough dross as it is....
Some of us are, dross to you but not to me. It would be boring if we all liked the same thing

heero_yuy 15-05-2016 11:50
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New channels that just show repeats of what has already been on other channels are pretty pointless. What we really need is more content, not more channels. IMHO

Mad Max 15-05-2016 12:09
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35837756)
New channels that just show repeats of what has already been on other channels are pretty pointless. What we really need is more content, not more channels. IMHO

This, times 100...........

VirginMediaPhil 15-05-2016 12:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35837756)
New channels that just show repeats of what has already been on other channels are pretty pointless. What we really need is more content, not more channels. IMHO
True, but I do think we should at least have channels that are available on Freeview, like Spike.

DaMac 16-05-2016 07:29
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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837677)
I think around 8 or 10 tuners
Not a chance you will get 8 or 10, the reason that sky can have 10 tuners is there is hardware on the market, ie fbc tuners and unicable lnb's that are designed to do this, there is currently no hardware out there offering the same technology for cable, you will get 6 maximum with current tech and architecture, and that would be squeezing it, my guess would be record 4 watch a 5th.

heavyside 16-05-2016 09:24
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Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35837880)
Not a chance you will get 8 or 10, the reason that sky can have 10 tuners is there is hardware on the market, ie fbc tuners and unicable lnb's that are designed to do this, there is currently no hardware out there offering the same technology for cable, you will get 6 maximum with current tech and architecture, and that would be squeezing it, my guess would be record 4 watch a 5th.
With my two TiVos networked together - and since the dropping of the broadcast restrictions - I effectively have six tuners. I suppose in theory this number could increase by networking additional TiVos. Could not a new STB from Virgin Media/Liberty Global use something similar for those who want the extra recording capacity?

muppetman11 16-05-2016 11:44
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To be honest my Q Silver on the main box provides 4 recordable tuners and one for live TV and I can't see a time I'd ever use more.

Ultimate.Conj 16-05-2016 11:48
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I thought there was a 12 tuner cable box out there somewhere...I could be wrong, but I agree with MM...4/5 is probably the max you need.

I occasionally have 3 recording at one time which means I'm limited to on-demand or previous recordings, the 4th tuner would allow me to watch another channel. Doesn't happen very often though

spiderplant 16-05-2016 11:53
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There isn't a hard limit to how many tuners a cable box could have. You simply have to split and amplify the incoming signal as much as you need.

andrewstevenson 16-05-2016 12:34
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35837897)
There isn't a hard limit to how many tuners a cable box could have. You simply have to split and amplify the incoming signal as much as you need.
How many tuner you think Liberty global will put in new box

RichardCoulter 16-05-2016 13:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837896)
I thought there was a 12 tuner cable box out there somewhere...I could be wrong, but I agree with MM...4/5 is probably the max you need.

I occasionally have 3 recording at one time which means I'm limited to on-demand or previous recordings, the 4th tuner would allow me to watch another channel. Doesn't happen very often though
If all three tuners are in use, I find that I cannot use On Demand :confused:

It must need a tuner for VOD.

denphone 16-05-2016 13:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35837895)
To be honest my Q Silver on the main box provides 4 recordable tuners and one for live TV and I can't see a time I'd ever use more.
Sadly having three tuners ain't enough in our household at times so a couple more would be very handy indeed.

mike_gain 16-05-2016 13:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35837918)
If all three tuners are in use, I find that I cannot use On Demand :confused:

It must need a tuner for VOD.
If I remember the reason the TiVo needs to use a tuner is so it can integrate with same on demand service the same way the V+ does. Basically simplifies the delivery system for VM.

The apps that go through the 10Mb pipe (iPlayer, Netflix) can be used when 3 tuners are in use.

1andrew1 16-05-2016 16:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35837895)
To be honest my Q Silver on the main box provides 4 recordable tuners and one for live TV and I can't see a time I'd ever use more.
It's all about your household size and their eagerness to watch traditional TV content.

muppetman11 16-05-2016 16:19
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35837935)
It's all about your household size and their eagerness to watch traditional TV content.
Agreed but most pay tv platforms are now putting a far greater emphasis on the ability to view what you want where you want when you want.

As an example look at Billions the new Showtime drama on Sky Atlantic , the whole series is available to watch at the pace you choose. Most channels are actually switching on to the fact that by making their content available On Demand people actually consume more.

Virgin Media have already said they are looking to strengthen their On Demand offering whilst I've always said linear is here to stay On Demand will play an important role in a pay tv providers offering and in my opinion make tuner clashes less and less going forward.

toady 16-05-2016 16:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35837938)
As an example look at Billions the new Showtime drama on Sky Atlantic
We would if VM and Sky could come to some sort of agreement :)

spiderplant 16-05-2016 16:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837905)
How many tuner you think Liberty global will put in new box
That hasn't been announced yet

1andrew1 16-05-2016 16:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35837938)
Agreed but most pay tv platforms are now putting a far greater emphasis on the ability to view what you want where you want when you want.

As an example look at Billions the new Showtime drama on Sky Atlantic , the whole series is available to watch at the pace you choose. Most channels are actually switching on to the fact that by making their content available On Demand people actually consume more.

Virgin Media have already said they are looking to strengthen their On Demand offering whilst I've always said linear is here to stay On Demand will play an important role in a pay tv providers offering and in my opinion make tuner clashes less and less going forward.
Agreed, that's what I was getting at by my vaguely-worded "traditional TV content". VM are certainly promoting their Kingdom offering on large billboards.

Quote:
Originally Posted by toady (Post 35837939)
We would if VM and Sky could come to some sort of agreement :)
Lol. :D

Mad Max 16-05-2016 17:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35837919)
Sadly having three tuners ain't enough in our household at times so a couple more would be very handy indeed.

Why do you need tuners Den, I thought you just watched linear TV............:D

denphone 16-05-2016 17:37
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We do watch a lot of linear TV but when there are 5 things on at once three tuners ain't enough old boy.:)

Media Boy UK 16-05-2016 17:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35837951)
We do watch a lot of linear TV but when there are 5 things on at once three tuners ain't enough old boy.:)
That will soon be fix.;)

Maybe even this summer.

denphone 16-05-2016 18:00
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That's what the crystal ball keeps telling me MB.:)

Media Boy UK 16-05-2016 18:04
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35837957)
That's what the crystal ball keeps telling me MB.:)
We seen new info over the weekend.

denphone 16-05-2016 18:26
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Sounds interesting.:)

andrewstevenson 16-05-2016 18:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837956)
That will soon be fix.;)

Maybe even this summer.
Is that you saying there might be a change and new TiVo could drop over summer with five or more tuners

Media Boy UK 16-05-2016 18:35
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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837964)
Is that you saying there might be a change and new TiVo could drop over summer with five or more tuners
We have mix info over the past weekend on how much the new TiVo will cost.

andrewstevenson 16-05-2016 18:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837966)
We have mix info over the past weekend on how much the new TiVo will cost.
When will you be able to share that because it can make a difference to what we do

muppetman11 16-05-2016 18:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837964)
Is that you saying there might be a change and new TiVo could drop over summer with five or more tuners
Those with multiroom (two Tivo's) on VM already have more recordable tuners than Sky Q.

Media Boy UK 16-05-2016 18:48
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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837967)
When will you be able to share that because it can make a difference to what we do
Waiting on Sources to say the same thing.

andrewstevenson 16-05-2016 19:19
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837970)
Waiting on Sources to say the same thing.
It will be good to find out the pricing but if they try £199 like before when sky £99 ( based on package ) it would put me off

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837970)
Waiting on Sources to say the same thing.
It must be hard when you know things and you can't say, I know the feeling

spiderplant 16-05-2016 20:00
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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837975)
It will be good to find out the pricing but if they try £199 like before when sky £99 ( based on package ) it would put me off
The price won't be set until just before it launches, because it'll depend on market conditions at the time.

denphone 16-05-2016 20:17
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One suspects they still have a firm idea of what the price is likely to be though.

1andrew1 16-05-2016 20:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837967)
When will you be able to share that because it can make a difference to what we do
No disrespect to peoples' sources and all snippets and hints are warmly appreciated, but I wouldn't make a future spending decision until the information is confirmed by VM. They've already said the new box will be out at least six months away ie Winter 2016/17. It will have 4K capability with Tivo software on it. Nothing will be launched before this box except enhanced software on the current Tivo-powered boxes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35837988)
One suspects they still have a firm idea of what the price is likely to be though.
They've probably got a set of fully-priced options depending; as Spiderplant suggests; on market conditions.

andrewstevenson 16-05-2016 20:53
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35837988)
One suspects they still have a firm idea of what the price is likely to be though.
Virgin media know the pricing, I'd say they need to look at the prices of sky and think about what they want to do. But over pricing won't help them

denphone 16-05-2016 20:58
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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837997)
Virgin media know the pricing, I'd say they need to look at the prices of sky and think about what they want to do. But over pricing won't help them
Who say they are going to overprice things?.

andrewstevenson 16-05-2016 21:02
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35837998)
Who say they are going to overprice things?.
Well if you remember the original TiVo launched at a price of £199 the box was free but it cost £199 to install then dropped to £149

denphone 16-05-2016 21:30
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We shall see what the pricing will be but one suspects it won't be overpriced.

andrewstevenson 16-05-2016 23:29
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35838000)
We shall see what the pricing will be but one suspects it won't be overpriced.
Well I do hope so because current TiVo slow

blue666666 16-05-2016 23:48
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mediaboy do you any info on the name of the box

andrewstevenson 16-05-2016 23:55
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Originally Posted by blue666666 (Post 35838016)
mediaboy do you any info on the name of the box
Somebody said I think it's called EOS at moment

Horizon 17-05-2016 00:16
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VM have already said it will be another Tivo. EOS is just their internal name for the cloud based element of the (whatever) service they wiill launch.

andrewstevenson 17-05-2016 09:32
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So how many tuner we think new TiVo might have

devilincarnate 17-05-2016 10:37
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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35838040)
So how many tuner we think new TiVo might have
We know that it will have a min of 3, but if it is going to could storage how many do you need?

andrewstevenson 17-05-2016 10:51
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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35838046)
We know that it will have a min of 3, but if it is going to could storage how many do you need?
Well it's a good point thinking about the max I need. If none of the tuners are needed to stream to devices like sky do then 5 or 6 but if they use them for streaming say 8

Media Boy UK 17-05-2016 10:52
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theone2k10 17-05-2016 10:55
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Sources are saying NASA tv will launch as a app on vm tivo this year.

1andrew1 17-05-2016 11:01
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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35838049)
Sources are saying NASA tv will launch as a app on vm tivo this year.
Thanks theone, I'm over the Moon about that news. :D

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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35838047)
Well it's a good point thinking about the max I need. If none of the tuners are needed to stream to devices like sky do then 5 or 6 but if they use them for streaming say 8
How have you worked that number out?

andrewstevenson 17-05-2016 11:14
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35838050)
Thanks theone, I'm over the Moon about that news. :D

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How have you worked that number out?
Well it depends 6 tuners I feel is the right amount, currently I find times when five would have been useful so I would go with six, but if some of them like sky are used for streaming we would only have four. So 6 broadcast tuners and 2 streaming tuners

denphone 17-05-2016 11:20
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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35838049)
Sources are saying NASA tv will launch as a app on vm tivo this year.
At last something potentially interesting.

spiderplant 17-05-2016 11:25
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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35838046)
We know that it will have a min of 3
You do? I don't recall seeing anything about this.

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35838046)
but if it is going to cloud storage how many do you need?
I reckon 0, 1 or 2, depending on how it accesses the servers.

devilincarnate 17-05-2016 11:33
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35838056)
You do? I don't recall seeing anything about this.


I reckon 0, 1 or 2, depending on how it accesses the servers.
I always get picked up on my wording should have said we think :p

andrewstevenson 17-05-2016 11:33
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35838056)
You do? I don't recall seeing anything about this.


I reckon 0, 1 or 2, depending on how it accesses the servers.
If they go down the route of cloud storage, how does watching something you recorded earlier. I wouldn't want to be relying on the cloud for every show

undertakereddie 17-05-2016 11:54
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35838048)
Media Boy EXCLUSIVE: Two more channels starts tests on Virgin Media UK.

Media Boy Sources has confirmed that NDTV Spice and NDTV India are now testing on Virgin Media UK.

©copyright 2016 Media Boy 2006 - 2016. An ''Keep it real and free'' Production.
What is NDTV Spice is it an asian channel or something else?

Media Boy UK 17-05-2016 12:00
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Originally Posted by undertakereddie (Post 35838061)
What is NDTV Spice is it an asian channel or something else?
Still trying to get info online about NDTV Spice.

NDTV India will only be on Virgin Media in the UK from launch.

denphone 17-05-2016 12:20
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You mean we finally have another exclusive.:hyper:

alwaysabear 17-05-2016 12:25
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Personally I would like cloud storage for recordings.

Media Boy UK 17-05-2016 12:28
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35838067)
You mean we finally have another exclusive.:hyper:
But the bad news is NDTV India will be an news channel (no pun intended).

theone2k10 17-05-2016 12:41
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35838055)
At last something potentially interesting.
I watch the nasa space channel on my Android tv box it is a very good channel, i'm really hoping my source is correct on this one as it will be a nice treat for you guys on vm.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35838050)
Thanks theone, I'm over the Moon about that news. :D

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How have you worked that number out?
Well people have been asking for more space on their tivos :D i'll get my coat.:dunce:

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35838063)
Still trying to get info online about NDTV Spice.

NDTV India will only be on Virgin Media in the UK from launch.
NDTV Spice is a smartphone from what i can see via google mate.

Media Boy UK 17-05-2016 12:43
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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35838071)
NDTV Spice is a smartphone from what i can see via google mate.
When my Sources tune in, the whats NOW and NEXT EPG says "CHANNEL COMING SOON" on both channels.

passingbat 17-05-2016 13:03
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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35838071)



Well people have been asking for more space on their tivos :D i'll get my coat.:dunce:

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Well, I thought it was funny :)

muppetman11 17-05-2016 13:15
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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35838058)
If they go down the route of cloud storage, how does watching something you recorded earlier. I wouldn't want to be relying on the cloud for every show
Netflix uses the cloud and remembers what you watched earlier.

passingbat 17-05-2016 13:15
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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35838058)
If they go down the route of cloud storage, how does watching something you recorded earlier. I wouldn't want to be relying on the cloud for every show
The cloud is going to be a whole new ball game and the number of recordable tuners may well be totally irrelevant, depending how they implement it.

Do we have personally allocated space on VM servers, or are all programmes recorded an we stream the ones we want to watch? Is it somehow a mixture of both?

Possibly of more concern, is how long will cloud recordings be available for? Until we know more details of the cloud implementation, regarding the numbers of tuners, we're whistling in the wind IMHO.

Mad Max 17-05-2016 13:53
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Looks like we will all be zooming around the cloud looking for more space.....

RichardCoulter 17-05-2016 14:18
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35838048)
Media Boy EXCLUSIVE: Two more channels starts tests on Virgin Media UK.

Media Boy Sources has confirmed that NDTV Spice and NDTV India are now testing on Virgin Media UK.

©copyright 2016 Media Boy 2006 - 2016. An ''Keep it real and free'' Production.
Yet mainstream English channels on Freeview/Freesat aren't carried by VM :confused:

Just what is going on? I can't see it being a capacity problem as these minority channels keep being added.

Ultimate.Conj 17-05-2016 14:28
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Most new HD/4K tvs have freeview built in...Maybe VM feel there is a high enough % of people who have access to these channels, that they don't need to have them on their own platform??

Just a guess....

Horizon 17-05-2016 14:59
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35838078)
The cloud is going to be a whole new ball game and the number of recordable tuners may well be totally irrelevant, depending how they implement it.

Do we have personally allocated space on VM servers, or are all programmes recorded an we stream the ones we want to watch? Is it somehow a mixture of both?

Possibly of more concern, is how long will cloud recordings be available for? Until we know more details of the cloud implementation, regarding the numbers of tuners, we're whistling in the wind IMHO.
Exactly.

As I said, I would be a little bit suspicious of VM saying we can access "our" recordings in the cloud. I don't think they'll be "our" recordings at all, simply VOD - video on demand.

The evidence it may go down this way is on the other thread which talks about the new tivo software. Richard Coulter has said there is a new bookmarks feature on there. Again, as already said, I believe we won't be accessing "our" recordings in the cloud, but simply bookmarking VOD shows.

So, it's VERY relevant how long shows are kept by VM on their VOD servers then, especially if they're meant to be "our" recordings.

But then again, perhaps VM/Liberty have raided their piggy banks and spent a whole load of money on hard discs or renting substantial amounts of cloud storage from someone else, so we can keep "our" recordings in the cloud. And of course, pigs might fly.

Ultimate.Conj 17-05-2016 15:14
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Maybe they are thinking along the same line as the PS Plus storage. You can save your Playstation games with a limited amount of storage...you can then access this data as and when you want?....as long as you keep paying your subscription of course..

They may even offer more storage to those on bigger packages??
I'm just rambling to myself as I type lol

Could be anyone's guess what VM do :)

OLD BOY 17-05-2016 15:55
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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35838058)
If they go down the route of cloud storage, how does watching something you recorded earlier. I wouldn't want to be relying on the cloud for every show
I don't know why not. At least you wouldn't lose your programmes if you had to change your box.

As long as they are retained for long enough, you are not restricted to the number of shows you can bookmark and you don't have to watch the commercials, I would be happy.

Horizon 17-05-2016 16:24
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I suppose the simplest solution would be for VM to say how long we can access "our" recordings in the cloud. After that time, you would either have to download them to your own box or they'd be deleted. Seems the only fair way I can think of how it would be done.

Media Boy UK 17-05-2016 17:05
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35838093)
Yet mainstream English channels on Freeview/Freesat aren't carried by VM :confused:

Just what is going on? I can't see it being a capacity problem as these minority channels keep being added.
Maybe only Virgin Media UK deals with both QVC and NDTV are up right now.

For all we know the channels that are broadcasting on Freeview (Your TV, Tru TV and so on) are asking far to much for just one new channel to be added on Virgin Media.

theone2k10 17-05-2016 17:13
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35838110)
Maybe only Virgin Media UK deals with both QVC and NDTV are up right now.

For all we know the channels that are broadcasting on Freeview (Your TV, Tru TV and so on) are asking far to much for just one new channel to be added on Virgin Media.
Or vm are asking too much?

OLD BOY 17-05-2016 17:24
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Well, judging by the content, they can't be worth much.

They would have to pay me to watch those channels!

RichardCoulter 17-05-2016 17:35
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35838104)
I don't know why not. At least you wouldn't lose your programmes if you had to change your box.

As long as they are retained for long enough, you are not restricted to the number of shows you can bookmark and you don't have to watch the commercials, I would be happy.
One thing that I don't like about some VOD services is that you can't see the programme whilst FFing. I like to know where I am in a programme whilst doing this.

I also record some programmes with the full intention of FFing the recording to check if there is anything or anyone of interest to me.

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35838108)
I suppose the simplest solution would be for VM to say how long we can access "our" recordings in the cloud. After that time, you would either have to download them to your own box or they'd be deleted. Seems the only fair way I can think of how it would be done.
This would be a fair compromise.

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35838110)
Maybe only Virgin Media UK deals with both QVC and NDTV are up right now.

For all we know the channels that are broadcasting on Freeview (Your TV, Tru TV and so on) are asking far to much for just one new channel to be added on Virgin Media.
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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35838111)
Or vm are asking too much?
True, I imagine that Spike etc want paying to be on the platform, whilst the shopping/foreign channels probably pay to be on there.

I know someone who wanted to put a country music radio station onto cable. He was hoping to be paid for it, but would have settled for a cost neuteral arrangement.

In the end he didn't go ahead as they wanted him to pay them for the privilege of having it on their system!

His stance was that he was enhancing their offering and was prepared to waive any expected fees, their stance was that they would be doing him a favour by having the station on their platform with the increased advertising revenue.

No agreement was reached, so I imagine it's the same scenario.

Would eg Spike be able to cover any cost that they have to make to VM by increasing their advertising rates due to the relatively small increase in exposure to the channel? I doubt it.

It's also very short sighted of VM. By not accomodating such channels, customers may seek them on Freeview or Freesat as I have done and found the FTA offering to be much better than expected.

This is now encouraging me to downgrade from XL and may encourage others to quit Pay TV altogether.

Horizon 17-05-2016 17:38
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On the Liberty webcast last week, MIke Fries said that equipment procurement, product development etc is being centralised across Liberty's cablecos. I think in Amsterdam. Perhaps that may be the same with carriage agreements. Liberty will do deals with studios/programme rights holders on behalf of all of their cablecos, rather than each cableco doing their own individual deals.

RichardCoulter 17-05-2016 17:52
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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35838114)
On the Liberty webcast last week, MIke Fries said that equipment procurement, product development etc is being centralised across Liberty's cablecos. I think in Amsterdam. Perhaps that may be the same with carriage agreements. Liberty will do deals with studios/programme rights holders on behalf of all of their cablecos, rather than each cableco doing their own individual deals.
Well spotted, I guess that doing this will achieve economies of scale in the administration side of carriage negotiations and achieve a better deal for LG by bulk buying content.

Maybe this is why VM have been reluctant to enter into any new carriage deals lately (apart from QVC which Malone has an interest in and minor channels for a niche audience).

In the long run this could be good for customers too, some channels that would not have been financially viable to carry may become so as well as other channels that could be picked up during an international deal that would otherwise not be carried in the UK.

jobbie8 17-05-2016 19:02
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35838116)
Well spotted, I guess that doing this will achieve economies of scale in the administration side of carriage negotiations and achieve a better deal for LG by bulk buying content.

Maybe this is why VM have been reluctant to enter into any new carriage deals lately (apart from QVC which Malone has an interest in and minor channels for a niche audience).

In the long run this could be good for customers too, some channels that would not have been financially viable to carry may become so as well as other channels that could be picked up during an international deal that would otherwise not be carried in the UK.
Is this how H2 HD came about?
I seem to remember the channel launching on all of Liberty Global's Cable Networks? Which might explain why the UK didn't get the other missing channels like History HD at the time?

Aguero9320 17-05-2016 21:41
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If NDTV India is a VM-exclusive news channel, what is the fate of NDTV 24x7, which broadcasts the same content?

Mad Max 17-05-2016 21:44
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35838112)
Well, judging by the content, they can't be worth much.

They would have to pay me to watch those channels!

Same here OB, we are being offered absolute dross!

andrewstevenson 17-05-2016 22:17
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35838134)
Same here OB, we are being offered absolute dross!
Of all the channels on offer they got this rubbish

1andrew1 17-05-2016 22:32
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35838104)
I don't know why not. At least you wouldn't lose your programmes if you had to change your box.

As long as they are retained for long enough, you are not restricted to the number of shows you can bookmark and you don't have to watch the commercials, I would be happy.
I think that's an important point you raise. I can see ITV saying "You can have these recordings available for X months as long as you ensure that viewers can't ad-skip or you can have them available for £££££ with ad-skip."
The issues I see are:
- Immediacy. Will each "recording" be available to watch as soon as the programme starts so you can watch it eg five minutes after it starts.
- Longevity. How long will cloud recordings last when organisations like BBC Worldwide and NBC Universal make huge Christmas boxset sales?
- Non-catch-up recordings. Films etc are not always available as catch-up due to licensing restrictions. Will there need to be a hard disc for this type of content or will there be industry-wide negotiations to permit this content to be stored in the cloud?
- Adskipping, as above.


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