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pip08456 23-04-2019 16:45
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35992005)
And will you still be sceptical when the flood waters come through your door? ;)

Trouble is there is a point of no return with climate change ( the ' tipping point'). We are very close to that point. Even if sceptics are eventually convinced it may be too late to do anything. Action not words is required.
Yes, the planet will look after itself as it has for millenia and we will die.

Not so much looking after the planet now is it?

The planet has a way of looking after itself.

Damien 23-04-2019 16:58
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992003)
You should be really pleased that the scientists are saying you can eat butter again after years of telling you it was bad for you. Now it appears that butter should never have been 'banned' and that the Flora we turned to years ago was doing you no good at all!

There are plenty more examples where that came from, so you shouldn't just blindly accept everything you are told by scientists. A little healthy scepticism is required.
The current recommendation is still for it to be a smaller part of an overall diet.

The NHS breaks down these kinds of stories quite well: https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lu...link-unproven/

But in the end it is further scientific research that has (slightly) change how people view saturated fats. They also told you that smoking is bad, asbestos is bad and red meat can be bad. Do you suggest we ignore that too in case it's later revised? All we can do is go on the best information we have until such a time as we learn more. (Although I still eat red meat I just don't resent scientists for informing me of the health impact, ditto alcohol).

ianch99 23-04-2019 17:19
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35991977)
Well, clearly, it hasn't ended the debate, Andrew.:rofl:
I see no "debate"?

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Scientif...ific_consensus

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A poll performed by Peter Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman at University of Illinois at Chicago received replies from 3,146 of the 10,257 polled Earth scientists. Results were analyzed globally and by specialization. 76 out of 79 climatologists who "listed climate science as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change" believed that mean global temperatures had risen compared to pre-1800s levels. Seventy-five of 77 believed that human activity is a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. Among all respondents, 90% agreed that temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800 levels, and 82% agreed that humans significantly influence the global temperature. Economic geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 percent and 64 percent, respectively, believing in significant human involvement. The authors summarised the findings:

It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes.[129]

A 2010 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States (PNAS) reviewed publication and citation data for 1,372 climate researchers and drew the following two conclusions:

(i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC (Anthropogenic Climate Change) outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.[130]
The real danger here is the risk of delay and obfuscation caused by those to refuse to accept that the planet is in last chance saloon.

Here's a new report with more bad news:

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...e-impact-study

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The release of methane and carbon dioxide from thawing permafrost will accelerate global warming and add up to $70tn (£54tn) to the world’s climate bill, according to the most advanced study yet of the economic consequences of a melting Arctic.

If countries fail to improve on their Paris agreement commitments, this feedback mechanism, combined with a loss of heat-deflecting white ice, will cause a near 5% amplification of global warming and its associated costs, says the paper, which was published on Tuesday in Nature Communications.

pip08456 23-04-2019 17:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992021)
The current recommendation is still for it to be a smaller part of an overall diet.

The NHS breaks down these kinds of stories quite well: https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lu...link-unproven/

But in the end it is further scientific research that has (slightly) change how people view saturated fats. They also told you that smoking is bad, asbestos is bad and red meat can be bad. Do you suggest we ignore that too in case it's later revised? All we can do is go on the best information we have until such a time as we learn more. (Although I still eat red meat I just don't resent scientists for informing me of the health impact, ditto alcohol).
Name one case of death or proven health problem due to white asbestos.

Damien 23-04-2019 17:25
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35992024)
Name one case of death or proven health problem due to white asbestos.
Well my understanding is that it's the blue asbestos that's especially bad and is linked to cancer.

Hugh 23-04-2019 17:26
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35992024)
Name one case of death or proven health problem due to white asbestos.
He said asbestos, not white asbestos.

https://www.nationalasbestos.co.uk/n...deaths-a-year/

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It is estimated that an average of 13 people a day in the UK die from conditions caused by previous exposure to asbestos – more than double the number of people who die on the roads
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The World Health Organization estimates that 107,000 people die every year as a result of occupational exposure to asbestos. In the UK, the Health and Safety Executive puts the number of asbestos-related deaths at around 5,000 deaths per year.

ianch99 23-04-2019 17:32
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35992024)
Name one case of death or proven health problem due to white asbestos.
Why? He never mentioned white asbestos ..

Meanwhile, back on topic, people claim that it is unfair to protest against the UK's climate change record. What they forget is the historical carbon debt from the first world countries since the 1700's.

Of course, the best way of making progress on a global scale is when countries get together and agree common standards and plans. They also are able to push through more reform from countries like China, Russia when their collective trading & political clout is larger. Good job we are part of the EU .. ah, no .. wait ...

pip08456 23-04-2019 17:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992026)
He said asbestos, not white asbestos.

https://www.nationalasbestos.co.uk/n...deaths-a-year/
He also said blue asbestos which is less (albeit small) of a health problem than brown asbestos.

That said, white asbestos was also put on he list thanks to the companies that charge a fortune to clear it.

Funny that.

Damien 23-04-2019 17:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35992030)
He also said blue asbestos which is less (albeit small) of a health problem than brown asbestos.

That said, white asbestos was also put on he list thanks to the companies that charge a fortune to clear it.

Funny that.
Isn't it the case that all the forms involve it being breathed into the lungs but the 'bad' asbestos is particular sharp/strong compared to white so causes scarring and just gets stuck there forever more? So even if the white is less/not dangerous it's still probably not great to breath in something that'll be on the walls of your lungs forever.

I know white asbestos is not banned in some countries though.

pip08456 23-04-2019 17:54
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You are the one who made a blanket statement, surely it is up to you to show the veracity of it.

Damien 23-04-2019 17:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35992035)
You are the one who made a blanket statement, surely it is up to you to show the veracity of it.
I was asking a genuine question about how the different types of asbestos works. I am pretty happy with the initial statement of asbestos being bad and since it seems the World Health Organisation agrees I don’t really think the onus is on me to prove it.

OLD BOY 23-04-2019 18:19
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992018)
If esteemed natural historians like Sir David Attenborough can't convince Old Boy to stop lapping up the misinformation of the fossil fuel lobby, I suspect there's little we can do to convince him.
Once again, you divert the subject. It doesn't matter where the view you disagree with comes from. What matters is the content of what they say.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992021)
The current recommendation is still for it to be a smaller part of an overall diet.

The NHS breaks down these kinds of stories quite well: https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lu...link-unproven/

But in the end it is further scientific research that has (slightly) change how people view saturated fats. They also told you that smoking is bad, asbestos is bad and red meat can be bad. Do you suggest we ignore that too in case it's later revised? All we can do is go on the best information we have until such a time as we learn more. (Although I still eat red meat I just don't resent scientists for informing me of the health impact, ditto alcohol).
I'm not saying we should ignore anything. I am simply saying that you shouldn't suck up everything you hear without engaging your brain, no matter who says it.

As far as the butter thing is concerned, no need for you to do a cover-up on behalf of others. The scientists have already admitted they were wrong.

Whatever happened to the day when scientists had to prove their theories before getting their pronouncements confirmed?

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992027)
Why? He never mentioned white asbestos ..

Meanwhile, back on topic, people claim that it is unfair to protest against the UK's climate change record. What they forget is the historical carbon debt from the first world countries since the 1700's.

Of course, the best way of making progress on a global scale is when countries get together and agree common standards and plans. They also are able to push through more reform from countries like China, Russia when their collective trading & political clout is larger. Good job we are part of the EU .. ah, no .. wait ...
What exactly is the point of protesting about what people were doing over 300 years ago? The protesters cannot change their actions now, can they?

The protesters would do better to protest at countries that are big polluters and not doing enough to reduce their emissions.

Mr K 23-04-2019 19:24
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Asbestos? Butter? I think some are trying to change the goalposts /subject here !

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35992008)
Floods in certain areas may lead to death but reduce the population at the same time.

We need a bit more of that then problem solved!
I hope that post wasn't for real.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35992019)
Yes, the planet will look after itself as it has for millenia and we will die.

Not so much looking after the planet now is it?

The planet has a way of looking after itself.
The planet will look after itself, because we won't? That's heck of an assumption.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992016)
So how come it's been hotter in the past? The planet didn't blow up then.

You are getting carried away, Mr K.
It's been hotter in the past and we weren't around, as we wouldn't and won't survive under such conditions.

Head in the sand from you OB. I suspect the main reason you and others won't accept it as the people protesting and providing evidence, don't come from a generation or political background you like. All a bit short sighted, we'lll all be affected, rich and poor alike.

Have a read of William Hague's piece in the Torygraph if you like , at least he has woken up to the threat.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...sis-seriously/
(DT readers don't like his article though !)

OLD BOY 23-04-2019 20:09
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35992049)
Asbestos? Butter? I think some are trying to change the goalposts /subject here !

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I hope that post wasn't for real.

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The planet will look after itself, because we won't? That's heck of an assumption.

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It's been hotter in the past and we weren't around, as we wouldn't and won't survive under such conditions.

Head in the sand from you OB. I suspect the main reason you and others won't accept it as the people protesting and providing evidence, don't come from a generation or political background you like. All a bit short sighted, we'lll all be affected, rich and poor alike.

Have a read of William Hague's piece in the Torygraph if you like , at least he has woken up to the threat.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...sis-seriously/
(DT readers don't like his article though !)
True, but I was questioning the reversibility of the warming process. It reversed all by itself before, so why could it not do the same now? Sounds to me like scare tactics.

Damien 23-04-2019 20:30
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992055)
True, but I was questioning the reversibility of the warming process. It reversed all by itself before, so why could it not do the same now? Sounds to me like scare tactics.
When we talk about climate change we largely talk about it's impact on humans, given the time of geology then the Earth will correct itself but what has happened to us in the meantime is the cause of concern.

OLD BOY 23-04-2019 22:35
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35992058)
When we talk about climate change we largely talk about it's impact on humans, given the time of geology then the Earth will correct itself but what has happened to us in the meantime is the cause of concern.
The main issue is whether mankind is causing it. That link has not been proved. And the elephant in the room is that the atmosphere still only has 0.04% of carbon in it.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35992049)
Head in the sand from you OB. I suspect the main reason you and others won't accept it as the people protesting and providing evidence, don't come from a generation or political background you like. All a bit short sighted, we'lll all be affected, rich and poor alike.
Oh, do stop making it up, Mr K! It has nothing whatsoever to do with who is marching. What evidence is anyone providing that proves we are responsible for climate change? There is no direct evidence and that is what thinking people are calling for.

1andrew1 23-04-2019 23:09
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992066)
The main issue is whether mankind is causing it. That link has not been proved. And the elephant in the room is that the atmosphere still only has 0.04% of carbon in it.
It's been accepted by the scientific community but whatever evidence they come up, I fear it won't cut it for you before it's too late.
What is the significance of 0.04%? Is there a universal rule that says things only make a difference to the environment if they're X% or higher?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992066)
Oh, do stop making it up, Mr K! It has nothing whatsoever to do with who is marching. What evidence is anyone providing that proves we are responsible for climate change? There is no direct evidence and that is what thinking people are calling for.
I'm not sure that disagreeing with people who know more in their field than you and I put together qualifies anyone as "thinking". Would you not call Greta Thunberg and Michael Gove thinkers?

jonbxx 24-04-2019 09:36
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992016)
So how come it's been hotter in the past? The planet didn't blow up then.

You are getting carried away, Mr K.
Looking at some graphs, it looks like the last time we were at current temperatures was the Eemian Interglacial period around 120,000 years ago where sea levels rose 6 to 9m. Could get wet for a lot of people if it hits these levels

Mr K 24-04-2019 11:36
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35992083)
Looking at some graphs, it looks like the last time we were at current temperatures was the Eemian Interglacial period around 120,000 years ago where sea levels rose 6 to 9m. Could get wet for a lot of people if it hits these levels
Trump's home town New York is particularly vulnerable. London too. I'm alright for a bit, I'm 150m up and I won't be accepting lodgers ;)

Chris 24-04-2019 11:45
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35992001)
The 'debate' is now between scientists and those with political/commercial interests. I know who I trust more.
I'm not making any comment on the climate change debate here, but simply pointing out that scientists are as open to political and commercial considerations as anyone else. They're not saints, and to treat them as if they are ... well, it's not scientific. ;)

Mr K 24-04-2019 11:51
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35992091)
I'm not making any comment on the climate change debate here, but simply pointing out that scientists are as open to political and commercial considerations as anyone else. They're not saints, and to treat them as if they are ... well, it's not scientific. ;)
Didn't say they were, just said who I trusted more.

OLD BOY 24-04-2019 13:17
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35992083)
Looking at some graphs, it looks like the last time we were at current temperatures was the Eemian Interglacial period around 120,000 years ago where sea levels rose 6 to 9m. Could get wet for a lot of people if it hits these levels
You've missed my point. If you look a little further, you will see is that it is not the case that a 3.5C temperature rise or above is irreversible.

jonbxx 24-04-2019 16:58
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992106)
You've missed my point. If you look a little further, you will see is that it is not the case that a 3.5C temperature rise or above is irreversible.
Of course climate change is reversible as previous temperature changes due to greenhouse gasses and changes in insolation show. However, the rate of change downwards is geologic and damage will still be done.

ianch99 24-04-2019 18:08
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It is amazing that a 16 year old from Sweden can show so much more wisdom than some of the older generation with all this "life experience".

As she says:

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Miss Thunberg said her generation's future had been "stolen" so that "a small number of people could make unimaginable amounts of money".

She told MPs: "You don't listen to the science because you are only interested in the answers that will allow you to carry on as if nothing has happened."

Chris 24-04-2019 18:12
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Miss Thunberg is being used by her mother’s PR agency. Her mother, in case you didn’t know, has just published a book about climate change that she’s naturally quite keen to sell.

OLD BOY 24-04-2019 18:21
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35992125)
It is amazing that a 16 year old from Sweden can show so much more wisdom than some of the older generation with all this "life experience".

As she says:
You are bound to say that because you agree with her.

Older and wiser, they say. The older generation tends not to jump to conclusions. It's that simple, really.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35992126)
Miss Thunberg is being used by her mother’s PR agency. Her mother, in case you didn’t know, has just published a book about climate change that she’s naturally quite keen to sell.
That says it all, really. Children are easily manipulated, either by their parents or by their teachers quite often. Until they have experienced life a bit and realise that things are not as straight forward as they thought, they are not really in a position to make these big judgements on issues.

It is only natural for them to accept what adults tell them. These are the people they trust.

Hugh 24-04-2019 20:20
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35992126)
Miss Thunberg is being used by her mother’s PR agency. Her mother, in case you didn’t know, has just published a book about climate change that she’s naturally quite keen to sell.
It wasn’t her mother’s PR Agency, it was a non-profit foundation, which she (Greta) resigned from when she realised it was using her name image without her knowledge or permission.

https://www.svd.se/rentzhog-darfor-b...berg-om-ursakt

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Greta Thunberg: Has no contact with the company anymore

Entrepreneur Ingmar Rentzhog apologizes to Greta Thunberg after SvD's review, which showed that his company used her as a tie for a new share issue that attracted over SEK 10 million.

- I have no contact with the company anymore. Not my family either, writes Greta Thunberg on Facebook on Monday night.

The attention has been great following SvD's article that the company We Don't Have Time had the climate phenomenon Greta Thunberg as a drawback in a new issue which has drawn in over SEK 10 million - without the family's knowledge.


https://www.politico.eu/article/gret...her-knowledge/
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A Swedish climate startup admitted to using teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg to attract investments without her knowledge.

The company, called We Don't Have Time, rejected accusations by Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet that it had exploited 16-year-old Thunberg, but did admit that it “failed to inform the Thunberg family in advance that Greta would be mentioned in our financial prospectus, a document aimed at raising funds for the company."

Chief Executive Ingmar Rentzhog said the company is "very sorry that we didn’t inform them of this." We Don't Have Time describes itself as a "good-cause company," which is building a for-profit climate-focused social media network. "Our goal is to become the Facebook of climate change," the founders say in a blog post.

Greta's father Svante Thunberg told POLITICO over the phone that neither Greta nor her parents had been informed by the company. "They have confessed that they've not told us. Greta has not been informed and nobody has informed me or her mother."

Svante Thunberg said Greta won't take part in any organizations, whether voluntary or otherwise, to ensure her independence. "She does not receive any money and she will not receive any money," he said.
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992127)
You are bound to say that because you agree with her.

Older and wiser, they say. The older generation tends not to jump to conclusions. It's that simple, really.

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That says it all, really. Children are easily manipulated, either by their parents or by their teachers quite often. Until they have experienced life a bit and realise that things are not as straight forward as they thought, they are not really in a position to make these big judgements on issues.

It is only natural for them to accept what adults tell them. These are the people they trust.
You’re right - Sir David Attenborough is very wise.

1andrew1 24-04-2019 20:36
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35992126)
Miss Thunberg is being used by her mother’s PR agency. Her mother, in case you didn’t know, has just published a book about climate change that she’s naturally quite keen to sell.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35992127)
It is only natural for them to accept what adults tell them. These are the people they trust.
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992141)
It wasn’t her mother’s PR Agency, it was a non-profit
foundation, which she (Greta) resigned from when she realised it was using her name image without her knowledge or permission.
Looks like it's actually adults who are just accepting what other adults tell them. ;)

papa smurf 25-04-2019 08:59
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35992143)
Looks like it's actually adults who are just accepting what other adults tell them. ;)
gullible definition: 1. easily deceived or tricked, and too willing to believe everything that other people say: 2. easily deceived or tricked, and too willing to believe ...;)

Mr K 25-04-2019 09:44
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35992162)
gullible definition: 1. easily deceived or tricked, and too willing to believe everything that other people say: 2. easily deceived or tricked, and too willing to believe ...;)
mmm, sounds like the definition of a Daily Fail/Express reader or a Trump disciple.

ianch99 25-04-2019 09:54
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35992162)
gullible definition: 1. easily deceived or tricked, and too willing to believe everything that other people say: 2. easily deceived or tricked, and too willing to believe ...;)
Stop bringing Brexit into everything! :)

1andrew1 25-04-2019 10:16
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35992164)
mmm, sounds like the definition of a Daily Fail/Express reader or a Trump disciple.
Stop bringing Trump into every thread, what's he got to do with climate change?

Oh, hang on...;)

1andrew1 25-04-2019 23:23
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Good to see.
Quote:
Liam Fox forced to clarify climate change comments
Fox later clarified the comments in a tweet, saying: “I have always taken environmental issues extremely seriously. The state of our planet should concern us all. There is a clear scientific consensus on climate change, which I fully respect. Even those who don’t accept it should want to see our finite resources carefully managed.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hange-comments

papa smurf 03-05-2019 13:05
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Don't panic it's back to normal

What a difference a fortnight makes! SNOW hits the UK as May Day Bank Holiday is set to be the coldest EVER



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dest-EVER.html



I'm glad that's fixed i couldn't cope with a warm and sunny bank holiday, i left the car at home yesterday and walked to the polling station,nice to see my efforts have paid off.

OLD BOY 03-05-2019 13:28
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I note that the alarmists were predicting 28 degrees or more for the May Day bank holiday. That's turning out well, isn't it?

I know that's weather and not climate, but we get the same ridiculous claims about the climate. Anyone remember where the alarmists said we would be temperature-wise by now 10 years ago?

Absolute nonsense, but we continue to believe whatever the 'experts' tell us.

Mr K 03-05-2019 13:55
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What matters is the long term change in climate and World temperatures, not the bank holiday weather.


https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/05/1.png

OLD BOY 04-05-2019 01:23
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May Day 2018 = 29c
May Day 2019 = 13c

Oops, sorry if that's off climate change message! Just sayin'...��

Carth 04-05-2019 09:22
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993506)
May Day 2018 = 29c
May Day 2019 = 13c

Oops, sorry if that's off climate change message! Just sayin'...��
aaah, that's probably because climate change is subtlety altering the ocean & wind currents that bring warm/cold weather patterns . .

. . or something like that

Pierre 04-05-2019 10:17
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35993361)
What matters is the long term change in climate and World temperatures, not the bank holiday weather.


https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/05/1.png
1850 to 2018 is not “ long term” by any stretch of the imagination when discussing the earths history.

Damien 04-05-2019 10:42
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993506)
May Day 2018 = 29c
May Day 2019 = 13c

Oops, sorry if that's off climate change message! Just sayin'...��
I mean that post kind of sums up why experts tend to be better people to listen too

Mr K 04-05-2019 11:47
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Notice the graph goes up and down OB, and the long term trend. It also covers a wider area than your back garden..

nomadking 04-05-2019 12:06
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Nov 2018

Quote:
The sun is headed towards its solar minimum, a time of far less energy output. That could mean cold winters are on their way, according to officials from NASA, the US space agency.

"We see a cooling trend," Martin Mlynczak of NASA's Langley Research Center said in late September. "High above Earth's surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy. If current trends continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold."
...
During one comparable solar minimum, a prolonged period from 1645 to 1715, Europe saw widespread crop failures, unusually frozen rivers and seas and hundreds of thousands of deaths from cold and starvation.
Oops.

Mr K 04-05-2019 12:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35993555)
Nov 2018

Oops.
Mmm 'Sputnik News' owned by the Russian Govt., wonder why you hid the links URL comrade :D

nomadking 04-05-2019 12:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35993560)
Mmm 'Sputnik News' owned by the Russian Govt., wonder why you hid the links URL comrade :D
Plenty of other reports
Link

Quote:
Sept. 27, 2018: The sun is entering one of the deepest Solar Minima of the Space Age. Sunspots have been absent for most of 2018, and the sun’s ultraviolet output has sharply dropped. New research shows that Earth’s upper atmosphere is responding.
“We see a cooling trend,” says Martin Mlynczak of NASA’s Langley Research Center. “High above Earth’s surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy. If current trends continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold.”
Metro
Quote:
Earlier this year, Nasa released a picture showing the blank face of the sun looking more like a snooker ball than the roiling surface of a super-hot star. The sun is predicted to reach its solar minimum in 2019 or 2020, according to Nasa’s calculations. Perhaps the most famous period of low sunspot activity was the Maunder Minimum of the 17th century. During that time, there was a ‘little ice age’ when the Thames froze over, although researchers believe that global warming will stop this happening again.
Isn't that a good thing?
Nasa
Quote:
When the model started with the decreased solar energy and returned temperatures that matched the paleoclimate record, Shindell and his colleagues knew that the model was showing how the Maunder Minimum could have caused the extreme drop in temperatures.

...

The change to the planetary waves kicked the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO)—the balance between a permanent low-pressure system near Greenland and a permanent high-pressure system to its south—into a negative phase. When the NAO is negative, both pressure systems are relatively weak. Under these conditions, winter storms crossing the Atlantic generally head eastward toward Europe, which experiences a more severe winter.

Mr K 04-05-2019 12:47
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Still need to look a bit more long term than this year's sun spots... Global warming might be more severe than we thought if there's temporary cooling due to the Sun, and we're still getting increases.

Carth 04-05-2019 13:19
Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 
Is it possibly a factor that, in all the years previous to the 1940's, we didn't have the technology available to accurately measure many of the things we now measure, and therefore the earlier results could be comparatively 'low' when judged alongside todays results?

The more advanced we become, the more we see compared to past generations

papa smurf 04-05-2019 13:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35993563)
Still need to look a bit more long term than this year's sun spots... Global warming might be more severe than we thought if there's temporary cooling due to the Sun, and we're still getting increases.
Can you promise a warm up by tomorrow i'm freezing,it's almost like a normal day in may.

Mr K 04-05-2019 13:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35993568)
Can you promise a warm up by tomorrow i'm freezing,it's almost like a normal day in may.
Have a jog along the Cleethorpes sea front, and go and have a look at that Greenwich Meridian Line. The excitement/exercise will warm you up ;)

1andrew1 04-05-2019 14:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35993569)
Have a jog along the Cleethorpes sea front, and go and have a look at that Greenwich Meridian Line. The excitement/exercise will warm you up ;)
The 3% swing from Labour to the Lib Dems in NE Lincolnshire should either warm your heart or make you hot under the collar. :)

papa smurf 04-05-2019 15:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35993572)
The 3% swing from Labour to the Lib Dems in NE Lincolnshire should either warm your heart or make you hot under the collar. :)
The fact that N.E.Lincs has a conservative council for the first time has raised peoples spirits here in Cleethorpes , but alas the weather is still cold as is the norm for the time of year.

Mr K 04-05-2019 17:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35993576)
The fact that N.E.Lincs has a conservative council for the first time has raised peoples spirits here in Cleethorpes , but alas the weather is still cold as is the norm for the time of year.
Lets face it, they need cheering up ;)

That tide and flood risk isn't going to get lower and a Conservative council isn't going to change that unfortunately.

Pierre 04-05-2019 19:30
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A good article from a good few years ago. It doesn’t make any accusations or assertions either way, just lays out the facts.

https://www.newscientist.com/article...-the-big-deal/

The current increase in temps may, or may not, be down to us. But the earth has seen much higher temps in it history, but , they’re all estimates!!
.,

OLD BOY 04-05-2019 20:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35993539)
I mean that post kind of sums up why experts tend to be better people to listen too
Lost your sense of humour, Damien? You know that was a joke, right?

papa smurf 05-05-2019 09:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35993593)
Lets face it, they need cheering up ;)

That tide and flood risk isn't going to get lower and a Conservative council isn't going to change that unfortunately.
Well if that happens i can always glue myself to a train or put my boat in the middle of the high street and throw all my recycling on the road , like the rest of you cabbage noshers did in London.

Hugh 05-05-2019 10:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35993661)
Well if that happens i can always glue myself to a train or put my boat in the middle of the high street and throw all my recycling on the road , like the rest of you cabbage noshers did in London.
Mr K lives in the North.

papa smurf 05-05-2019 10:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993662)
Mr K lives in the North.
as do many of the cabbage noshers that blighted London.


And then there's this

Emma Thompson the first-class hypocrite! Actress is pictured dining on champagne and beef in £18,000 personal booth on carbon-spewing BA plane jetting to New York days after lecturing us all to stop flying


Actress seen in the luxury cabin of a British Airways flight from Heathrow to JFK
Tickets can cost up to £18,000 and create nearly two tons of carbon dioxide
Two weeks ago she joined the Extinction Rebellion protests that shut down swathes of Central London


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-New-York.html

1andrew1 05-05-2019 10:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993630)
Lost your sense of humour, Damien? You know that was a joke, right?
That old chestnut :D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35993661)
Well if that happens i can always glue myself to a train or put my boat in the middle of the high street and throw all my recycling on the road , like the rest of you cabbage noshers did in London.
I don't think Mr K has advised us if he participated in the protest or if he's an affection for cabbage. ;)

papa smurf 05-05-2019 10:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35993669)
That old chestnut :D

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I don't think Mr K has advised us if he participated in the protest or if he's an affection for cabbage. ;)
I'll stop you there;)

Damien 05-05-2019 12:00
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I would say London is more of an avocado and sushi place than cabbage.

papa smurf 05-05-2019 12:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35993693)
I would say London is more of an avocado and sushi place than cabbage.
Won't be any of that on the menu due to global warming,if you don't like cabbage you're in for a rough ride;)

Hugh 05-05-2019 12:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35993696)
Won't be any of that on the menu due to global warming,if you don't like cabbage you're in for a rough ride;)
Well, there are a lot of vegetables in Lincs...

papa smurf 05-05-2019 16:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993700)
Well, there are a lot of vegetables in Lincs...
I know i live next door to a family of them ;)

OLD BOY 05-05-2019 19:40
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Well, if anyone expects me to cut down on my cow pies, they will soon know what they can do with their suggestion. :sniper:

Mr K 05-05-2019 21:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993777)
Well, if anyone expects me to cut down on my cow pies, they will soon know what they can do with their suggestion. :sniper:
Are you Desperate Dan in disguise ?
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/05/3.jpg

OLD BOY 06-05-2019 08:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35993821)
Are you Desperate Dan in disguise ?
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/05/3.jpg
And proud of it! :D

Mr K 09-05-2019 11:32
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48206325

Quote:
England’s flood planners must prepare for the worst on climate change, the Environment Agency has warned.

Its chairwoman, Emma Howard Boyd, said on current trends, global temperature could rise between 2C and 4C by 2100 and £1bn a year would need to be spent on flood management.

She said some communities may even need to move because of the risk of floods.

The government said it would be seeking evidence for its own flood policy in the autumn.
Well i'm glad I don't live on the coast, although I suppose the seaside will be nearer.

OLD BOY 09-05-2019 12:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35994264)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48206325



Well i'm glad I don't live on the coast, although I suppose the seaside will be nearer.
I wouldn't worry too much, Mr K. The Maldives would be under water by now if you believed all these scare stories.

Mr K 09-05-2019 14:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35994272)
I wouldn't worry too much, Mr K. The Maldives would be under water by now if you believed all these scare stories.
Hardly scare stories OB, sea levels are rising now, its not some future prediction.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...ea-level-rise/

Carth 09-05-2019 14:58
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I've been wondering how many Nuclear Power stations are built very close to the coastlines . . and how they'd perform under 3ft of water :shocked:

papa smurf 09-05-2019 15:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35994279)
Hardly scare stories OB, sea levels are rising now, its not some future prediction.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...ea-level-rise/
Actually the tide is falling now;)

https://www.tideschart.com/United-Ki...thorpes-Beach/

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35994289)
I've been wondering how many Nuclear Power stations are built very close to the coastlines . . and how they'd perform under 3ft of water :shocked:
The same way fukushima daiichi does i guess.

GrimUpNorth 10-05-2019 08:40
Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35994264)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48206325



Well i'm glad I don't live on the coast, although I suppose the seaside will be nearer.
Was at a meeting yesterday where it was mentioned that in Leeds some of the flood defenses we're building have been redesigned for the 1 in 200 year event as it was felt working to the 1 in 100 year model is probably no longer resilient enough (due to the more regular extreme weather events). Also, back in March Leeds City Council declared a climate emergency - long overdue and something my team has spent many years pressing for.

OLD BOY 10-05-2019 20:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35994346)
Was at a meeting yesterday where it was mentioned that in Leeds some of the flood defenses we're building have been redesigned for the 1 in 200 year event as it was felt working to the 1 in 100 year model is probably no longer resilient enough (due to the more regular extreme weather events). Also, back in March Leeds City Council declared a climate emergency - long overdue and something my team has spent many years pressing for.
So, will the Leeds City Council's declaration of a climate emergency reverse the effects of climate change?

It's just hype, but hopefully it makes people feel better.

papa smurf 10-05-2019 20:52
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Meanwhile back at the coalface

climate change protester tries to glue himself to MOVING automatic doors

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...tion-Rebellion

must have been dirty electricity working against him:rofl:

GrimUpNorth 10-05-2019 21:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35994398)
So, will the Leeds City Council's declaration of a climate emergency reverse the effects of climate change?

It's just hype, but hopefully it makes people feel better.
On its own probably not, but we won't by any means be the last council to make such a declaration and before long it won't just be hype and we'll start to make a difference.

Chris 11-05-2019 09:25
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“Climate emergency” declarations are just virtue signalling, with about as much weight and significance as a trade body declaring “national eat bacon week”. It’s an awareness campaign run by environmentalists, deliberately designed to sound like “state of emergency” which in some countries carries legal force when declared by government and grants emergency powers to act in mitigation. Typically it is signed up to by organisations that have little power to change anything, like local councils, or in the UK’s case by bored MPs using parliamentary free time to pass non-binding motions while the government is busy elsewhere.

Responsible governments, especially of rich, industrialised nations like the UK, are looking at these measures already, and taking hard, grown up decisions about how fast we can decarbonise an economy without crippling it. The last 10 years have shown that it is the poorest in society who suffer when the tax receipts that pay for healthcare and social security dry up. Going next zero on carbon by 2045 rather than 2050, for example, has implications for the size of our economy measured in the billions. Responsible government is spending time working out how to manage that and balance competing pressures, not pinning green ribbons to their lapels and giving impressive speeches.

Damien 11-05-2019 11:03
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Some councils are doing practical things like planting trees in areas that'll be at risk of flooding. Bigger changes will obviously require national governments. One thing we could do is hurry up with new nuclear power plants whilst we await renewable energy to power more and more.

One good thing is we're increasingly using less coal whilst wind and solar energy is becoming much, much more efficient.

Mr K 11-05-2019 11:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35994438)
Some councils are doing practical things like planting trees in areas that'll be at risk of flooding. Bigger changes will obviously require national governments. One thing we could do is hurry up with new nuclear power plants whilst we await renewable energy to power more and more.

One good thing is we're increasingly using less coal whilst wind and solar energy is becoming much, much more efficient.
And we're fracking to release even more greenhouse gases....:confused:

Chris 11-05-2019 12:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35994441)
And we're fracking to release even more greenhouse gases....:confused:
Gas is the easiest way to get coal permanently out of the energy mix. Using it results in a net reduction in CO2 emissions and a lot else besides. And shale gas represents an opportunity to improve domestic supply and therefore national energy security.

There is no way we can move exclusively to renewables at the pace favoured by the tofu-munching geography lecturers of Greenpeace. As I said above, pressure groups can blow as hard as they like, governments don’t have the luxury of enacting daydreams.

Mr K 11-05-2019 13:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35994449)
Gas is the easiest way to get coal permanently out of the energy mix. Using it results in a net reduction in CO2 emissions and a lot else besides. And shale gas represents an opportunity to improve domestic supply and therefore national energy security.

There is no way we can move exclusively to renewables at the pace favoured by the tofu-munching geography lecturers of Greenpeace. As I said above, pressure groups can blow as hard as they like, governments don’t have the luxury of enacting daydreams.
It's Govts that will need to deal with the increasing Climate Change events in future. They need to think a bit more long term than the next election.
P..s I don't like tofu.

Chris 11-05-2019 13:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35994454)
It's Govts that will need to deal with the increasing Climate Change events in future. They need to think a bit more long term than the next election.
P..s I don't like tofu.
But you don’t deny being a geography lecturer ... :scratch: Government is thinking long term. There are costs of action as well as inaction.

GrimUpNorth 11-05-2019 15:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35994456)
But you don’t deny being a geography lecturer ... :scratch: Government is thinking long term. There are costs of action as well as inaction.
Someone's got to be the first to act, sitting there looking worried like Ken Barlow and stroking your chin or putting down what others are suggesting or trying might make you feel clever and superior but it really helps nobody. It's not just tofu munching geography teachers that care, quite a lot of us normal people do too.

Chris 11-05-2019 16:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35994466)
Someone's got to be the first to act, sitting there looking worried like Ken Barlow and stroking your chin or putting down what others are suggesting or trying might make you feel clever and superior but it really helps nobody. It's not just tofu munching geography teachers that care, quite a lot of us normal people do too.
Have you ever tried tofu? It’s gross. Eschewing it is both clever and superior.

Also ... please don’t make the basic internet debate error of assuming you know what somebody cares about just because you’ve seen them criticising something.

My point, so far as I had one, is that caring is doing, not making virtue signalling gestures. Declaring a climate emergency is a gesture, nothing more.

Carth 11-05-2019 17:19
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Doesn't matter how many trees we plant in the UK, it won't replace those lost worldwide every week.

I could car share to work every day for a year and still not put a dent in the emissions from a bunch of MP's flying across Europe to an Environmental meeting.

We could all stop eating beef/pork/lamb/chicken . . . and then spend millions on high emission equipment needed to plough & sow the fields, and then harvest the vegetables required to feed everyone.

. . . or we could invest in floating farms/villages for when the floods come :D

Mr K 11-05-2019 17:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35994456)
But you don’t deny being a geography lecturer ... :scratch: Government is thinking long term. There are costs of action as well as inaction.
The costs of inaction are disasterous and probably irreversible. The costs of action we all need to shoulder. This Govt. doesn't think beyond next week atm, sidetracked by crap like Brexit and it's own survival, which are insignificant irrelevances in comparison.

( yes, I would dearly love to be a Geography teacher complete with the lovely courduroy jacket and elbow pads ;) )

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35994481)
Doesn't matter how many trees we plant in the UK, it won't replace those lost worldwide every week.

I could car share to work every day for a year and still not put a dent in the emissions from a bunch of MP's flying across Europe to an Environmental meeting.

We could all stop eating beef/pork/lamb/chicken . . . and then spend millions on high emission equipment needed to plough & sow the fields, and then harvest the vegetables required to feed everyone.

. . . or we could invest in floating farms/villages for when the floods come :D
Or we just treat it as a joke, and leave for the next generation to deal with. Except we'll be past the tipping point by then, and there's nothing they'll be able to do.

Yes its needs to be Global action. Trump is an issue but he'll soon be gone. We could take the lead and make the World respect and follow us again. It has to start somewhere.

GrimUpNorth 11-05-2019 19:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35994472)
Have you ever tried tofu? It’s gross. Eschewing it is both clever and superior.

Also ... please don’t make the basic internet debate error of assuming you know what somebody cares about just because you’ve seen them criticising something.

My point, so far as I had one, is that caring is doing, not making virtue signalling gestures. Declaring a climate emergency is a gesture, nothing more.
I eat tofu now and again as Mrs G is vegetarian.

Instead of criticising maybe try supporting.

Declaring a climate emergency signals that the elected members of Leeds City Council recognise there is an issue. The declaration is the start of a change in policies/practices and direction so a bit more than a gesture, but yes in the whole scheme of things anything done will only make a very small impact but if every local authority follows - remember even the mightiest river starts from a few drops of rain.

Chris 11-05-2019 20:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35994514)
I eat tofu now and again as Mrs G is vegetarian.

Instead of criticising maybe try supporting.

Declaring a climate emergency signals that the elected members of Leeds City Council recognise there is an issue. The declaration is the start of a change in policies/practices and direction so a bit more than a gesture, but yes in the whole scheme of things anything done will only make a very small impact but if every local authority follows - remember even the mightiest river starts from a few drops of rain.
Signals. Thank you. ;)

It is entirely possible for Leeds CC to use whatever powers it has to be more environmentally friendly without signalling. It chooses however to signal. It's good PR.

You also ably demonstrate another reason I dislike virtue signalling. What is it you think I should support instead of criticising? Taking measures to reduce my environmental impact, or signing up to both the terminology and methods of a particular pressure group? The two are not the same, but a plain reading of your last couple of posts suggests you are muddying the distinction, whether consciously or not.

No, I will not support the concept of 'climate emergency'; I choose instead to just get on and do what needs to be done. I don't need a pat on the back and I don't need to feel validated by having people think I'm a righteous eco-warrior.

I will however make this one-time-only concession to the fashion for virtue signalling: This post was typed using electricity generated entirely by renewable sources, in a house heated on biomass, with fingers washed in water heated exclusively by solar energy.

Mic drop.

GrimUpNorth 11-05-2019 20:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35994518)
Signals. Thank you. ;)

It is entirely possible for Leeds CC to use whatever powers it has to be more environmentally friendly without signalling. It chooses however to signal. It's good PR.

You also ably demonstrate another reason I dislike virtue signalling. What is it you think I should support instead of criticising? Taking measures to reduce my environmental impact, or signing up to both the terminology and methods of a particular pressure group? The two are not the same, but a plain reading of your last couple of posts suggests you are muddying the distinction, whether consciously or not.

No, I will not support the concept of 'climate emergency'; I choose instead to just get on and do what needs to be done. I don't need a pat on the back and I don't need to feel validated by having people think I'm a righteous eco-warrior.

I will however make this one-time-only concession to the fashion for virtue signalling: This post was typed using electricity generated entirely by renewable sources, in a house heated on biomass, with fingers washed in water heated exclusively by solar energy.

Mic drop.
And by signalling what you are doing might just might encourage others to up their game too. Let me be the first to congratulate your environmental credentials and pat you on the back for doing your bit :D

Chris 11-05-2019 20:23
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Frrrrrrp:p:

OLD BOY 11-05-2019 20:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35994482)
The costs of inaction are disasterous and probably irreversible. The costs of action we all need to shoulder. This Govt. doesn't think beyond next week atm, sidetracked by crap like Brexit and it's own survival, which are insignificant irrelevances in comparison.

( yes, I would dearly love to be a Geography teacher complete with the lovely courduroy jacket and elbow pads ;) )
You just suck it all up, don't you, Mr K?

We have already established that both carbon and temperatures have been higher than they are now in the past. So how come it was not irreversible then and yet it is irreversible now?

Don't just repeat what the climate extremists are saying - think before you make your pronouncements.

richard s 11-05-2019 20:34
Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 
The only way to save this planet is for the human race to disappear.

OLD BOY 11-05-2019 20:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35994514)
I eat tofu now and again as Mrs G is vegetarian.

Instead of criticising maybe try supporting.

Declaring a climate emergency signals that the elected members of Leeds City Council recognise there is an issue. The declaration is the start of a change in policies/practices and direction so a bit more than a gesture, but yes in the whole scheme of things anything done will only make a very small impact but if every local authority follows - remember even the mightiest river starts from a few drops of rain.
Sorry, but this is nonsense. Declaring a climate emergency is as effective as Slough Borough Council declaring a nuclear free zone.

True, Slough did not get nuked, but that was nothing to do with its declaration. And just like 'climate change', they had no power to do what they declared anyway! Just politically motivated leftie councillors going well beyond their briefs and not getting on with the work they were elected to carry out by their electorate.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35994530)
The only way to save this planet is for the human race to disappear.
Off you go, then! Will it be cliff edge or Dignitas?:D

Chris 11-05-2019 20:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35994528)
You just suck it all up, don't you, Mr K?

We have already established that both carbon and temperatures have been higher than they are now in the past. So how come it was not irreversible then and yet it is irreversible now?

Don't just repeat what the climate extremists are saying - think before you make your pronouncements.
Climate change occurs naturally in geological time, OB - fundamental changes occur over millions of years, oscillations within an overall climate pattern may occur on a scale of 10-100,000 years (recent ice ages are oscillations within an overall climate pattern, not wholesale climate change in themselves). The reason the scientific consensus is that the climate change we are now seeing is anthropogenic is that it is happening so fast.

It will naturally ebb and flow in geological time as it always has, but we know of no mechanism by which the human race could reverse in the next 100 years what it has done over the last 100. That's what K means by irreversible. *we* can't reverse it. The best we could hope for would be another ice age to occur naturally and take the edge off (before CAGW became a thing, a new ice age was the nightmare scenario climate scientists worried about, until they realised everything was getting warmer, not cooler).

A re-advance of the ice could conceivably begin within my lifetime but it is more likely not to occur for tens of thousands of years. I don't know about you, but I don't expect to be around by then. As far as everyone alive today is concerned, and all their descendants for thousands of generations, what we do, or fail to do, over the next 25 years, may cause climate change that is irreversible.

Mr K 11-05-2019 20:49
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35994528)
You just suck it all up, don't you, Mr K?

We have already established that both carbon and temperatures have been higher than they are now in the past. So how come it was not irreversible then and yet it is irreversible now?

Don't just repeat what the climate extremists are saying - think before you make your pronouncements.
If only you could do 'thinking' OB......

The current warming is at a much, much faster rate than ever seen before. It directly coincides with the industrial revolution and increased carbon emissions. Look to the evidence, not the self interested head in the sand profiteers/politicians. At a point in the very near future, it won't be possible to stop it. We may be past the point already, but it would be silly not to try and do something.

Don't just 'suck up' everything your tabloid tells you, or dismiss it because you don't like the types of people protesting. It will affect you/your family as well as them.

Damien 11-05-2019 20:53
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35994536)

A re-advance of the ice could conceivably begin within my lifetime but it is more likely not to occur for tens of thousands of years. I don't know about you, but I don't expect to be around by then. As far as everyone alive today is concerned, and all their descendants for thousands of generations, what we do, or fail to do, over the next 25 years, may cause climate change that is irreversible.
Also either of those scenarios could be quite a problem for human life. Ultimately the earth is, in time, gonna be fine. However the same cannot be said for the life on it. Hence concerns that we could have more extreme weather conditions and in some areas of the world an increasingly inhospitable environment causing mass migrations and instability.

pip08456 11-05-2019 22:34
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35994540)
Also either of those scenarios could be quite a problem for human life. Ultimately the earth is, in time, gonna be fine. However the same cannot be said for the life on it. Hence concerns that we could have more extreme weather conditions and in some areas of the world an increasingly inhospitable environment causing mass migrations and instability.
That is it to a T! All these eco warriors and other idiots causing disruption etc don't understand the earth will correct things over time and climate change is a threat to human life not the planet.

Quickest way to reduce carbon emissions? Another world war and cull the human herd.

1andrew1 12-05-2019 00:30
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That is it to a T! All these eco warriors and other idiots causing disruption etc don't understand the earth will correct things over time and climate change is a threat to human life not the planet.
I'm sure they do know that, same as most people acknowledge the existence of global warming.

heero_yuy 12-05-2019 07:24
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Quickest way to reduce carbon emissions? Another world war and cull the human herd.
A new black death. It'll be coming soon enough. Something like ebola with the transmissiveness of the flu.

richard s 12-05-2019 20:37
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Off you go, then! Will it be cliff edge or Dignitas?:D



After you Old Chap... gentlemen first.:D

Jimmy-J 13-05-2019 07:12
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Search YouTube for "George Carlin - Saving the Planet"

I'd embed it here, but it contains some bad language.

:D

ianch99 13-05-2019 07:51
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 35994624)
Search YouTube for "George Carlin - Saving the Planet"

I'd embed it here, but it contains some bad language.

:D
Watched some of this. What a sad individual.


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