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A point has been raised about Clinton, she has been vetted loads of times. Especially as First Lady. etc etc.

What we have here is a politician, that is vastly experience in the field - yes, Trump etc is nothing but a businessman.

Trump cannot run the States, it will lead to major problems. He has started already, he is not there yet.

Someone also mentioned about all these women that has come forward, and the election is very soon.

Not changing the subject. A major newspaper caught Sam Ally Dyce in a scam. Look what happened to him.

If there are any serious problems with Clinton. I am certain The FBI would have done the right thing and arrested Clinton - But they didn't.

Trump is all mouth. And it would not surprise, that if Trump won. Someone will try and assonate him.

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Trying to work out if this is a form of verse or something.

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Infowars.

Alex Jones.

Who believes there is a 'global Stasi Borg state'

Who thinks the shooting of a US Representative in Tucson was 'was a staged mind-control operation. The government employs geometric psychological-warfare experts that know exactly how to indirectly manipulate unstable people through the media. They implanted the idea in his head by repeatedly asking, 'Is Giffords in danger?'"'

Who thinks the Gates Foundation is "Obviously a eugenics operation."

Who says ""Government-lab-produced airborne Ebola? It's comin' your way! Enjoy it, yuppies!"

Wibble.

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I didn't realise it was Alex Jones! The guy is amazing. He was a big 9/11 truther 10 or so years ago but recently he's becoming more famous. He has actually an influence on Trump apparently. This guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzNeg9D-EZ4

He was also in a book called 'Them' by Jon Ronson who met a lot of these characters a while back. Ronson has revisited that in the context of the latest campaign: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elephant-Ro.../dp/B01LXOO7UQ

worth a read.

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This post literally broke the thread. Not sure whether I died at Ally Dyce or the bit where Trump gets assonated.

You raise Valid points but you fail to realise we don't live in Utopia, you'd be horrified to know the FBI aren't the definition of perfection and it's entirely possible to botch investigations, the entire reason people keep bringing it up is because it stinks of being botched. It's no use talking about how we'd know... How many of us knew the Americans were planning terrorist attacks on their own soil before they told us themselves they were? None bar unverifiable conspiracy at the time. So in reality you're not certain of anything, you're just certain of what you've been told by sources, like every other American Citizen that'll find out what their country has really been doing in another 50 years time. To break this down again.

FBI order Clinton to hand over X amount of emails > Far less than X turn up > Two vital witnesses are given immunity, sketchy when they appear to have offered absolutely nothing to warrant it > Closed.

Later, key witness Paul Combetta is found to have requested help in deleting emails that were requested by the FBI, a federal offence he can't be charged for because of the immunity deal. He implicates someone but now can't be questioned on who, naturally people assume Clinton to be that VIP someone that ordered the deletion and tampering of emails, again under investigation thus committing a federal offence for both the person who ordered it and the person who carried it out. Because Combetta is under no obligation to provide the name, nothing can be done.

Now when you see Trump followers making remarks about Clinton having the FBI sat in her pocket, you have a good idea why.

Lol, but I don't get what he's talking about!? What's the summary behind his emotionally mad rant?

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Vetted by whom?

You don't live in America Arthur, everything you say about stuff here is on a emotional whim, so what makes you the expert on US Affairs ?

He has started already? Really? Did I miss him taking the Oath of office ?

Yep, think that was me.

I think you're a little off course with this analogy, one was a England Manager, other is a US Candidate for Presidency 2016. US elections always stump up the BS stories, it's just that this Election has kicked off big style.

That's probably because they couldn't trace 33,000 deleted emails. Perhaps they should have contacted Wikileaks for assistance ?

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Alex jones is a prat i ended up at one of his videos on youtube claiming to show clinton giving birth to aliens and there were people taking it seriously he's a tinfoil hat nutjob and i was looking for videos on the q class ecig gotta love youtube. I don't like clinton or what she stands for but some of the trash getting thrown at her is bordering on insane and having the opposite affect then i think is intended in making her look more like a victim and therefore getting more sympathy then she deserves.

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She's been in the public eye for 20 years. People have been digging for dirt on the Clintons for longer than that. They've found some but it's hard to keep finding them.

Trump on the other hand is only now seeing that kind of attention.

Also theoretically she would have been properly vetted on assuming the role of Secretary of State.

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Well already might have: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...-russia-229821

Which considering the FBI are treating this as a criminal hack committed by a foreign state isn't the wisest move.

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It's strange there isn't the same focus on the 22 million emails lost by the Bush Pesidency from a private server..

http://europe.newsweek.com/george-w-...s-497373?rm=eu

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Come off it Damien, she has told bare face lies to the Benghazi victims mothers. She has lied about her emails. A fairly large percentage of the American people are struggling to comprehend just how much of a bare faced liar Hillary Clinton is.

Below is a CNN news clip of a news anchor speaking to one of the mothers of a Benghazi victim....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2_ERVD7_Ys

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Benghazi was terrible, with four lives lost, but the funding for security was cut by the Republicans in Congress/Senate, and what about the 20 attacks on US embassies and the 87 lives lost under George W Bush. There haven't been multiple enquiries into these...

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politic...and-60/2179435 There appears to be a one-sided focus on this, imho...

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If I make a positive comment about either, I would be seen as a fan. If I make a negative comment about either, I would be seen as a supporter of the other.

But I can't think of anything positive about either of them, and I just think they are both total jokes.

But one of them is going to elected unless there is a revolt in USA politics.

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All of those have been looked into as well though and didn't find anything massively disqualifying. The Benghazi investigation was led by House Republicans and it said they should have beefed up security but nothing else. Which is what I mean by the fact something else will need to come out.

I don't think Clinton is a good candidate either but the Republicans did put Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush up against her, they've put up Donald Trump. And if lying alone was the issue then Trump lies on a daily basis and not even 'political' lies but outright lies that contradict what he is on record as saying.

I don't believe anyone can legitimately vote for Trump because Clinton is a liar without it being a massive contradiction. The difference is in addition to that Trump is a racist, misogynistic lunatic who goes off on crazy rants.

I wonder how many more red flags Trump needs to flag at this point. In addition to his comments about women, minorities, his suggestion the election will be rigged he is also saying Clinton will be jailed and the media will be handled. We're talking about a Erdoğan figure here, a Berlusconi, but that appeals to people and the best defence I have heard of that is that he'll be physically stopped by the checks the US has.

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ROFL :D

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Maybe because George W. Bush was the President and is no longer President, nor can he re-run for President, under the American Constitution.

If you want to know why there hasn't been any inquiries, go ask them, I am not interested.

What I am interested in, is that here we have, Hillary Clinton, a pathological liar, who is running for President and has told lie after lie, to the American people, she is not fit to run for the Presidency.

I am not saying Trump is the perfect candidate either but Hillary Clinton would make an absolutely horrendous President, given her past bad errors of judgement on many things while she was Secretary of State.

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I think the relevant term is Hobson's Choice...

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Just watch the video. Gawd! :rolleyes:

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But the fact Trump 1) lies 2) has said horrible things and 3) seems rather unhinged on the campaign trial is better?

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The video is 30 mins long but seems highlights be him being rather normal. It's not those parts we're worried about, it's the other parts of his rallies.

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He is not a polished orator. Consequently, he often talks a lot of rubbish. He is however, a patriot imo, and isn't part of the machine. I think that if he gets in it'll upset the establishments apple cart......which is, imo, a good thing. That's why all and sundry are shouting blue murder at the prospect of Trump getting is and all that can be done to smear him is being done.

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That tape was not poor speaking. Nor what he has said about other women. Or Mexicans.

A patriot doesn't say an election is rigged or suck up to Russia. Or what he said about McCain. That's where we are though. Someone who dodged the draft has a go at someone who didnt and went through torture is called a patriot.

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At least he does not lie to the American People.

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Are you taking the p**s with that comment?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywil.../#90116ae6d242

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...ump-liar-media

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Spot on.

Glad to see you not been 'sucked in' like some of the others in this thread.

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We're judging Trump by this own actions and words. Someone who boasts of forcing themselves on women is not a good man.

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i watched the video - they seemed to have missed out all the times he contradicted what he says in the video...:rolleyes:

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Get real. Not reading Biased media talk. Especially when it has HC saying she told no lies at all during a debate.

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Really?

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

And he bankrupts small US businesses by not paying his bills.

http://correctrecord.org/fact-check-...ing-his-bills/

And he criticises companies for off-shoring jobs, but does the same himself.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/re...rticle/2585268

Or are they all part of the conspiracy?

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All one-sided clap-trap Hugh, not reading them.

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A Woman who lies about her emails and the issues surrounding Benghazi, a woman who got an alleged pedophile off a rape charge of a 12 year old girl and then is seen laughing about it, is not a good woman.

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You know full well she was a public defender, had to take the case, didn't 'get the guy off' and that she was laughing about stuff that happened on the case and not the victim or the accused.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinto...ghed-about-it/

You're saying 'others are sucked in' but you're refusing to read Hugh's links and you're disseminating discredited tropes.

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That last one never happened in the way a lot of people think. I did explain it pages back.

Edit: Damien already did it.

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She didn't get him off, she got him to plead guilty - fact.

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Either way, you can keep throwing link after link at me - it means jack all.

End of the day, I stand by that Hillary Clinton would be a disaster for President.

I also said earlier in this thread, Trump would not be perfect but we don't want a lying corrupt individual, who is said to have cost lives and would cost many more as President, that would be HC.

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But the stuff you're saying is quite literally untrue. Courts are a matter of public record.

And as for lying if you say you don't want a lying corrupt person but you're ignoring evidence of that being true of Trump.

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In your opinion.

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Neither of them are ideal candidates, by a long way. But trump is his own man whilst Hillary has been bought and paid for. I know who I'd be voting for.

(edited to keep on topic) :D

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Who was Sanders brought by? Genuine question, I wasn't a big fan of his but thought most of this money were small donations...

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Clinton Cash

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https://www.opensecrets.org/politici...wMem=N&recs=20

btw, I've edited my post above to keep on topic because I sense what I said about Sanders could be used against my argument about Hillary. :D

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I think we are all forgetting one important thing here .Whatever god awful choice the American public make it's the rest of the world that will suffer

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Indeed. He's not ideal by a long way but if he gets in it will feck up the ongoing worldwide socialist/liberal/one world govt plan for a while. Which can only be a good thing.

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Just to point out socialist/liberal aren't compatible. Most left-wingers in America closer to the liberal type. Sanders was closer to being a socialist. You'll find more liberals on the right rather than left (and I am not talking about libertarianism). If you think you hate liberals then go to a Corbyn-supporting meeting and you'll see people who really hate liberals.

Trump is a nativist protectionist. I.E He eschews world trade and free markets (or at least he suddenly has). I am not actually sure where you would place him on a traditional political compass. He isn't a traditional Republican though.

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For some reason the corruption of 'liberal' used as a slur in the United States seems to be reaching our shores, powered largely by people watching / reading right-wing shock jock output.

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I would say it's confusing for us since America is probably more along the liberal scale than we are but for the most part it's not something that easily breaks down between party lines, much like here. A true British liberal party would take in members from Labour and the Tories (alongside the Lib Dems obviously).

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Precisely. Anybody with half a brain can realize what is going on here.

I don't agree with everything Trump says or does but he is the better option to Hillary, I am sorry, actually I am not sorry, but he just is, and I don't care what he said in private, in a video 11 years ago, I think saying he is racist is a bit far fetched as well (I know it wasn't you who said it), in that that he has many black supporters and of people from ethnic backgrounds willing to vote for him.

I respect many of my American friends judgement on him, many of my American friends, some who are successful multi millionaires, cannot stand the thought of HC becoming the President.

DJT would rock the establishment to it's core and well, HC is, or has been a part of it for many years. But it is her judgement which is called in to question here, she has done so many bad things, made many errors while part of that establishment and in my opinion, she isn't to be trusted, at all.

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And you could watch this one where he is shown contradicting himself (repeatedly)

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politi...-origwx-bw.cnn

But I suppose it's CGI put together by the world cartel ruled press... ;)

It's so unfair when people use what you've actually said against you... :D

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Not sure if 1-2% can be counted as 'many black supporters'...

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...-black-voters/

And the 2% figure comes from Fox News, that well-known Liberal Lefty organisation...

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Most of my american friends are having real problems with this election as neither candidate is acceptable to them and for the first time they are considering not voting and also for the first time ever are questioning the whole system that has led them to this point. This election is going to be so damaging for the US socially that it's going to take more then either candidate has to fix it.

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More dodgy links and sources Hugh, when are you going to stop googling all this crap to me ?

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Facts are our friends - just because you won't accept them doesn't make them untrue....

Here is the figures straight from the Fox News site.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/1...t-donald-trump

Or are you saying that Fox News supports Hillary?

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Trump's path to success has always seem to have been to significantly outperform Romney amongst white men without a college degree. He was doing that but the problem is that he is underperforming Romney elsewhere. White men with a college degree are usually Republican but it's a lot closer this time. Minorities he is doing worst amongst, so much so in fact that some of the Southern states might be in play.

If he loses though it's the women who'll cost him. Last time they were 52% of the vote and he is falling amongst that demographic like a lead brick.

As Pierre mentioned previously if Clinton does win both parties need to look at where Trump support comes from and look at their concerns.

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But it is not factual at all, I am not a sucker for googling and believing everything I find in the results is even remotely true.

Only one poll matters to me and that is the official one on 8/11/16.

I notice you're not at all posting anything from Wikileaks, is there a reason for that ? Or do you not want to post stuff from there because it really reveals interesting Intel about dodgy and crooked Hillary ?

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Clinton would indeed be disaster for middle /working class Americans and African Americans.

A credible republican candidate would wipe the floor with her.

Trump is not it, but i'd love to see him win just for the he'll of it.

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Agree entirely. :p:

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During these rants by Trump. Hee hasn't said anything about what he will do for the Country. If he becomes President.
All he keeps ranting about Clinton.

Clinton will make a better President than Trump.

It appears that America is being warned for war. Can you imagine what Trump will do if he wins

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He's just gone weird since that 2nd debate, well weirder. Yesterday he said Clinton was on drugs during the 2nd debate and maybe they should have a drug test for this debate. Read some the transcripts as well, he sort of goes off on a tangent about odd things. His attacks go from Clinton (will be in prison), his accusators (i wouldn't touch that) and his own party.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2828413

Checking American newspapers on the Elections.
Came across this article.

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Apart from a few tabloids the main papers/networks are avoiding that story. I suspect they have their reasons. Treat with extreme caution.

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We already know what he'll do if he becomes president, build a wall and make Mexico pay for it and stop Muslims entering the country till 'we know what the hell is going on' and considering someone will have to explain it to him once we've found out what's going on that could take years.

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Watched it and didn't see anything particularly terrible. People are entitled to change their minds sometimes :shrug:

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Yup :tu:
:)

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Bit like how the mainstream press ignored the Cologne New Years sexual assaults and rapes for a week or two till the news couldn't be contained anymore :shrug:

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Or it's simply not true / no evidence of it being true.

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Time will tell...

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"Rigging the Election - Video I: Clinton Campaign and DNC Incite Violence at Trump Rallies"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

Well the elite do seem to want him in Damien,they have a major agenda..... If he doesnt win,ill be surprised!!

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You what? The elite want him in?

I think you need to reassess your analysis.

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He won't win end of....:)

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Putin wants him in. The alt-right want him in. Other than that though anyone you could call the establishment dont. Even a lot of senior Republicans seem to want him to lose, certainly the two living Republican presidents do . Also I am wary of the term establishment (Trump is an apparent billionaire with a tv deal) but if you had to define it then it would be Clinton.

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Anyway Wikileaks have confirmed it was Ecuador themselves who killed his connection.

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/10/10.jpg

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I'll have a lot more time for Assange when he / Wikileaks start producing stuff on Russia or the RNC.

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In fairness he doesn't. However, it's worth pointing out that until now, he has never been in a position to lie to the American People, unless you count The Apprentice.

Personally, I don't think anyone who openly advocates grabbing women by the pussy whether they want it or not should be anywhere near being the president. In fact I think it shows that something has gone gravely wrong with democracy that he has even got this far.

And yes, I have read articles on both sides of that fence. Clinton is not perfect. Hell, I don't think she is even a good candidate herself, but she is better than Trump.

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That's why I am wary of Wikileaks. I think that, on the face of it, what they do can be good, but they have a very definite bias in what they release.

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You said Brexit would not win, don't speak too soon. ;)

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:tu:

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Perhaps we should have a little flutter as l think my pocket money is safer then yours.;)

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Indeed. I'll have some of what Dude111 is smoking :disturbd::D

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You will be surprised how many people won't be voting for Crooked Hillary, who normally vote for the Democrat nominee, but not for this evil devil.

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l am not a lover of her but she is a damn sight better then the slippery , slimy , groping , legal but tax avoiding Trump.

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iirc, she's also avoided tax

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And that is wrong too IMO but like our last election its picking the least worse of two evils..

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We don't know about Trump's tax because he won't release them.

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And that stance is unlikely to change one suspects.

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Who hasn't/isn't dodging tax nowadays?

I bet neither of them can get all high and mighty over tax.

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As for whose voting. The polling since the first debate has been going against Trump. Clinton is further ahead this week than she was last week. No candidate has been as far ahead as her and lost the election.

For Trump to win then:

1) Something needs to happen that changes the dynamics of the race so far. Focusing everything onto Clinton.
2) Any 'hidden Trump' vote will have to be massive. All the pundits are searching of this as it's the biggest theory going as to why Trump might still win but it's hard to see where that hidden vote is.
3) Massively depressed turnout amongst women and minorities.

Probably a combination of all three.

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http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20121109201839

Relevant :D

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Update: James O’Keefe is about to release video 2 within the hour, he said "it's going to be a bombshell".

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/s...18438389755904

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Unless he has footage of Clinton doing something then I doubt it. Video of supporters being morons isn't as effective if they can't link it to her

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I can't help thinking that America is the real loser in all of this...

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We'll just have to wait and see.

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Yeah we all come to a similar conclusion but the general thought is Clinton is the far more favourable of two devils. It would be even bigger of either of them made it to a second term.

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We will do. I treat people who hype themselves and their revelations ahead of time usually don't deliver. This guy is doing well out of the Trump supporters online. However his MO seems to be undercover reporting of other supporters...

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Part 2 just posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs

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What is it? Can't play at the moment

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Never mind it's some guy talking about voter fraud. Not sure who this group is

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Btw tonight would be a good day for a big surprise. Just ahead of the debate..look for the papers late tonight / tomorrow morning

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Some of the comments on that video are truly delightful. 30 seconds looking at them shows a couple of death threats, an accusation that the Democrats are communists and equating them with the DPRK.

Lovely.

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Either way you need more evidence than that to say democrats have been rigging elections for 50 years.

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He said he will when HC releases her 33,000 emails that she acid-washed, as he puts it.

I am more interested in what she has got to hide than what DJT was earning and tax avoiding if any.

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The difference is, releasing tax returns is normally a routine part of the campaign. Trump is attempting to create an equivalence that doesn't exist.

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Looks like the view counter for video 2 is stuck... the views will be outnumbered by the likes soon. :D

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They do very well out of these videos. If you take Trump's support and even say only 10% are really into it then that is still a huge audience.

One of the theories, backed up by some decent information, is that Trump might start an alt-right media network if he loses. It would explain his fixation with saying it's rigged (better to be the cheated candidate rather than the loser), he is a TV showman and he has close links with people skilled at it: Alex Jones, Steve Bannon. Alex Jones is only on the internet for now and Steve Bannon the web. So there is certainly an opening there.

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I just saw Fridays The Last Leg.

The said the only way Trump could lose votes if he said Ban Guns.

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What's lovely is democrat supporters detailing how they have been and will continue to commit voter fraud.

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We're not saying it, the democrats are actually saying it in that video...

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That guy is but he isn't employed by the DNC and I need more than one guy to be convinced the Democrats have been rigging elections for 50 years. If I find a video of a Republican saying something like 'we'll perform a coup if Hilary wins' does that mean Republicans are planning a coup?

By all means this guy should be investigated assuming the unedited video doesn't change anything but to infer this is the entire Democratic party isn't going to hold. Also this guy has a history of using selectively edited footage.

Can't believe I watched a 17 minute long infowars thing.

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The Republicans don't believe the election is rigged...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN12H1UN

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Yeah, some guy coming out with that stuff with no evidence they have or can do so is clearly akin to death threats. :rolleyes:

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Well, yes.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN12I27L

Elections are run at state level. Clearly Republican governors and local officials routinely turn a blind eye to Democrat election rigging.