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I see invisible Labour is finally now doing its best to get its EU message across whilst capitalising on the disorder in HMG's ranks:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...for-sharing-a/

:clap: :clap: :D

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Linky

So Bliar isn't impressed with Jezzer. :D

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Death threats, intimidation, bricks through windows... The nastiness is really not very far beneath the surface of Corbyn's 'new politics' is it. For someone who apparently abhors such nastiness, he's doesn't seem to be doing very much to stop it all...

Just like many of their ilk over the years, McDonnell evidently hasn't changed much from the days when he wanted to assassinate Thatcher. He's certainly not averse to a bit of nastiness or cosying up to some very unpleasant folk.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...edy-night.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ent-protest-h/

http://order-order.com/people/gerry-downing/

I suppose calling colleagues 'effing useless' is one of the lesser examples of the sort of stuff this guy is renowned for:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...-plotters-fing

That well known and really nasty Tory Margaret Hodge has been moved to say this:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...ng-labour-just

Her memory is as good as mine then. They were truly nasty people then and they still are.

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Watched 2 labour mp's on the BBC news this morning refusing to stand next to each other to be interviewed ,quite childish really and certainly not what i expect from our political class

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Yup. It's really quite pathetic and it'd be funny if we weren't talking about the main opposition party. There's some pretty nasty people calling the shots within the Labour party right now but thankfully they just can't help revealing their true colours for those without rose tinted specs to see.

Can you honestly imagine any Tory chancellor, for example, saying and doing the sort of things McDonnell has? I reckon they still think they're student activists who quite like going around being nasty and obnoxious whilst making excuses for it. I'm just waiting for the odious former Militant member and property developing wheeler dealer Degsy to make a return. There's another complete hypocrite for you.

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/a...ls-Cyprus.html

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782

Looks like this thing's going on and on. Good job Labour haven't got anything more important to do eh? :D

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It seems a bit odd that a political party as large and as old as Labour doesn't have any mechanism for dethroning a leader they've lost confidence in or even to have proper rules that clearly state who can or can't be automatically eligible for inclusion for a leadership contest.

Yes I know Labour is bigger than the party, there's also the unions & members etc etc, but as we've seen, if you get a rather... contrary leader and people seemingly out to poke two fingers up at the establishment, then you get the kind of farcical antics within Labour that are still ongoing.

Maybe someone should tell them, cause it's making them look like rank amateurs.

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Quite. I'd like to know how many of their £3 members are genuine, because it's not much for anyone to pay in order to keep a complete idiot at the helm of Her Majesty's Opposition.

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Newer members have to pay £25 lol maybe it's a new way to raise money :)

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I've not seen Jeremy Corbyn do anything as leader. Nothing before the EU Referendum, nothing during and only a little bit of bitching after.

This is why I don't think he is a good leader. We've had years of the tories doing things that *should* have been a gift for any opposition leader. They've been cutting benefits to the poorest people in society, and all the while seeming to have little impact on the debt they claim the cuts are needed to pay off. Both Ed Miliband and Jeremy Corbyn have failed to capitalise on this. Both barely even made mention of it.

During the referendum, arguably the most important vote of a generation, he seemingly did NOTHING to put his views forward. I listened to Dead Ringers, and they had a spoof interview with Corbyn. The interviewer said he'd done nothing during the campaign. Corbin disagreed and said he'd done one interview on TV and worn a badge. That was obviously a joke, but I don't think it's far from the truth.

After, his own leadership was threatened, and beyond ensuring he can participate in any upcoming leadership contest, again, he has done nothing. He should be attacking his enemies.

He may be a worthy MP and believe in fighting for his constituents (as I have been told by various Corbyn supporting friends), but that is not enough for the leader of a political party. He has to FIGHT for what he believes in. If the party disagrees, he needs to at least try and bring it into line.

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Labour with corbyn are unelectable no one in their right mind would vote for them trouble is after everything lately I'm not sure they are electable with anyone at the helm and if Theresa may genuinely means what she says and backs it up with meaningful action she will be more labour then the labour party has been recently. Interesting times ahead that's for sure and I doubt many will be shedding tears at Cameron's and Osbourne going they might have talked a good fight but neither really fought one.

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Had Jeremy Corbyn shown half the enthusiasm leading the party he has clinging onto power I might've been able to show some support.

As it is, no longer a member of any party.

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£25 is cheap for such great entertainment I reckon. I just hope that Corbyn's legacy will be a party worthy of the name but it'll have happened in spite of him not because of him. With a bit of luck it'll also signal the end of the rose tinted dinosaurs.

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To challenge or not to challenge? That is the question...

Well having dithered about it for days, then finally decided to challenge Corbyn for the leadership, it seems Angela Eagle's decided it wasn't such a good idea after all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36838808


Oh dear...

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She was like Leadsom ,too damn flaky

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Maybe she realised that some Muslim Labour voters wouldn't have known whether to vote for her or throw her off a roof......;)

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She had an agreement with Smith that only one of them would challenge Corbyn - whoever got the support of most Labour MPs. Smith won that vote today. That's why she's abandoned her campaign.

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While she was dithering about the initial challenge, I don't recall Smith even being part of the equation so it seems like a bit of a weak excuse for her to stand down now. Maybe she was overconfident prior to making that agreement and thought she could bank on more support than was forthcoming. :shrug:

Either from what I've seen, Labour supporters now have a choice between Corbyn Snr and Corbyn Jnr.

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Don't forget tht there is Legal Challenge, in the Courts to Challenge Jeremy Corbyn.

I cannot see even if Ms May went to the country, Corbyn winning.

I see yet again, The Labour Party has grown within the last two weeks, maybe its those stupid ***** that have paid £25 quid to join the party.

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I see that well known working class warrior Emily 'White Van Man' Thornberry is taking up the post of Shadow Brexit Secretary. I'm surprised Corbyn hasn't given her a few more roles since he's so short of front bench options. I hope she's good at multitasking... :D

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With all the NEW applicants to join the Labour Party, sadly l think its Corbynites. Who will vote for him.

This is NOT about an election for a new Leader. This is about how much the Party will make.

Smith is aa new boy to the party. So l think it will be Corbyn, he is buying his votes.

he WILL never BE party Leader

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How much the party will make? you mean all those juicy £25 ?

180,000 * £25 = £450,000

Not bad.

Although you do realise a good many will be troll accounts who will vote for Corby 'just because' though don't you.

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You missed a zero off - try £4,500,000

Cheers

Grim

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Quite right, my apologies.

:blush:

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An even bigger cash cow!

Cheers

Grim

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I'm completely done with the Labour Party. What a farce. Joined it to demonstrate my commitment to an opposition, that being essential to proper governance and I've gotten this.

I rather hope that Corbyn wins the ballot and the 'moderate' majority in the Labour Party grow a pair and realise that the membership are way out there, the leader is way out there and they belong somewhere else.

That somewhere else is probably with the Liberal Democrats in a new centrist party.

I could absolutely get on board with a party that's a bit to the left of the current Conservatives but quite a bit to the right of Corbyn's Labour, running on a compromise of ideology and pragmatism rather than head up arse per Corbyn and company, with a strong pro-EU and pro-internationalist stance.

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To me you should NOT have to pay money to join a Party. To me its all about Corbyn.

If he gets the vote, then l will NOT vote for Labour again. I have already emiled my Labour MP. She wont get my vote, is May goes to the country.

Id rather vote Tory, as they will definitely win.

Corbyn is a joke. And to think there was a no confidence vote - within six months of him being voting in.

I hope the prople that paid 25 smackers realise what they are doing.

LABOUR WILL NEVER WIN AN ELECTION WHILE CORBYN IS IN CHARGE

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You know it; I know it, a sophisticated electorate knows it, Boaty McBoatface knows it and so, probably, does Mrs Corbyn.

There's just one person who thinks otherwise. He will spoil the whole (Labour) party;

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Iirc boaty mcboatface got more votes than the number of new labour party members and look how that turned out.

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:rofl: Never mind! :D

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Linky

Better get the tin foil helmet there Len. :LOL:

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:) Corbyn's nutters don't need the security services or anyone else to stir up trouble for them. They're doing a terrific job of that all on their own and Labour is effectively being run by rent a mob.

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Well, the Security Services were reknowned for recruiting upper-class chaps from Oxbridge...

Labour Director of Strategy and Communications

Shadow Chancellor's Chief of Staff

;)

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I think we all have to say a big thank you to Teresa May because at the moment she is the only politician looking anything like competent

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I heard Dave Nellist singing Corbyn's praises the other day - my word the dinosaur lefty nutters are crawling out of the woodwork...

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Crazy thing is she's proving it by not doing much. She literally won the leadership by sitting back and waiting for her opponents to trip themselves up and eliminate themselves from selection. It's not so much she is competent but everyone else is fantastically incompetent.

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ICM poll - pair better able to manage the economy:
May & Hammond: 53%
Corbyn & McDonnell: 15%

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Excuse the Fail link but I find this entirely believable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...rbyn-Myth.html

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After Opinium last night, all-pollster av now reads #Conservative lead of 6.2% - 37% to 30.8%. This time last Parl, Lab *led* by 6.2%.

So @UKLabour are now a net 12.4% underwater on EdM, implying a swing of 6.2% to Cons. Lab would lose 50 seats - Con maj 112

From Glen O'Hara, @gsoh31 on Twitter.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7156381.html

To put into context how bad this would be such well known marginals as Ealing Central and Acton, Brentford and Isleworth, Halifax and Ilford North would be lost by Labour.

Damn electorate, they stubbornly refuse to realise that Jeremy is electable and has a mandate. Best deselect the electorate and get a new one.

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I had an email today from Labour HQ, that they believe that Corbyn so far, from the people have 'Bought' into the Party, that Corbyn will win, as so far there have been approx. 80% receipts from 'new' members from the Corbyn camp.

Who have been stupid enough to Join the Party And a certain Ann Black, she and others have paid 25 quid to the Corbyn camp. Say's he will win

But, there is still a Court case going on, which say it could be illegal

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I think it's another chapter in the increasing fracturing of the Western world. It's not inconceivable that in about a year from now we're buffered by Trump's America on one side and Le Pen's France on the other. :arm:

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Hopefully the fracturing of Westminster will see an end to first past the post rather than a lurch to the extreme right or left

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You seem to have lost some of the optimism you used to have when we'd frequently disagree about the future. ;)

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I'm curious as to why a court would have jurisdiction over a party selection issue when no law of the land is being breached? :confused:

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It's possible that the party rule book stipulates that the courts can be used for binding arbitration in the event of a dispute.

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It's got the distinct smell 'we don't know what the fark we're doing' about it. I don't supposes it's been an issue before, Labour need to have some proper rules set up after this to avoid a repeat.

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I'm only surprised that anyone's surprised Labour are inept. They've proved it many times before... :D

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Reuters

So Jezza stays as leader then. We can enjoy the spectator sport of watching Labour continue to self destruct. Maybe from the ashes a new opposition grouping will rise but it looks like Tory's will be in power for a very long time.

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I am saddened by this Court result. The Conservative Party, will be running in power for a very long time.

I just wish that l could wipe the smug face of Jeremy Corbyn. He will win the vote in Sept. As he is buying votes, to beat Own Smith.

The cheek today was, as soon as the result came in. I had an email from The Labour Party, saying that we had a 'strong' leader.

Who are they trying to kid.

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It's their own bluddy [sic] fault, what kind of Mickey Mouse party doesn't have any sort of proper rules and controls, bet you once they fragment into mini labour, new new labour or moar Lab, they will then, serves them right. cnuts.

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The lunatics are well and truly running Labour's asylum.

It's long been time for a clear out of the loony left so let's hope a) that a credible new opposition party emerges and b) it endures rather longer and more productively than the SDP did.

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From what I've heard a lot of what the SDP stood for was subsequently adopted by both Tories and Labour politicians alike. The party itself didn't work out but it may have helped change politics.

We might see something similar where the old left/right fight gives way to another dividing line. UKIP are interesting in that they appeal to many traditional Labour voters and some traditional Tory voters. It's also frequently commented upon that Cameron and Blair were probably closer to each other than some of their own backbenchers. Certainly Cameron would have been a more acceptable leader of the Labour party than Corbyn is for many of them.

Brexit I think showed a dividing line between those who benefited from global trade, services and immigration or think they will vs those who haven't done so well or at least fear they won't do as well that's far more potent that the traditional left/right fight we've seen traditionally.

I mean what existing fights are left in the old way? New Labour probably did so well for so long because these questions were largely settled.

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What is ironic IMO is that Miliband seemed to identify these issues are better than anyone else had and much of his platform has been seized on by May.

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Yes it will have done, but its fairly rapid demise led us back to where we'd been - swinging between the Tories and Labour in an attempt to find a half decent government of one hue or the other. Hopefully, in just a short time, Corbyn's done more than a long list of pathetic Labour leaders to ensure that Same Old Labour is going to be banished for good. Let's just hope we don't get a sharp suited Bliar clone popping along shortly with an army of spin doctors and a revolutionary concept- New Labour 2!...

:D

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I can see a new Labour Party being formed to tackle the real issues of this country. Rather than the farcical way its being done today.

Labour must know that it will NEVER win an election under Corbyn. I can see Mrs May going to the Country, when the Summer holidays are over.

She will go for a further term. And Corbyn, and Labour will be torn to shreds at the election.
Its been done before with the Liberal Demcrats.

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You must be a politician doing a U-turn, Arfur voting Tory? I thought hell would freeze over before that happened.

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How is she going to get the support for an early election, turkeys don't vote for Christmas even labour ones

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Unbelievable

:spin: loyal to the end

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May will not go for another election. It would just delay Brexit planning still further, and sour international relations.

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I agree and if she did so early into her term I think it would be nothing more than selfish opportunism in the face of Corbyn's cronyism and chaos. I think (hope!) she's better than that and will want to get on with this but in a considered manner then be judged properly next time out on her record.

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Time for another instalment I think.

Corbyn accused of 'bottling' hustings with Smith after rejecting debate.

Quoting a Corbynista:

Corbyn pledges to scrap Blair union laws

Not sure how he's planning on creating that highly skilled, high employment economy when employers wouldn't touch the UK with a bargepole given his plans. Welcome to a globalised world, Jeremy, it's a bitch but that's reality.

Think I know why he wanted out of the EU now, some fantasy idea of extreme protectionism per the old school leftist objections to the Common Market, etc.

Corbyn criticises rebel MPs as rumours mount of “semi-split”

Can but hope.

Majority of voters prefer Owen Smith to Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader, new poll reveals

However, 75% of Labour voters prefer Corbyn. Pretty much same old, Corbyn works for some of the faithful, the rest of Labour and the vast majority of everyone else has no interest in him.

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Owen Jones, that well known far-right Blairite, has asked a few key questions of Corbyn.

https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/ques...ed3#.wbica12x5

Likely this was provoked by the grief he received from Corbynistas for making comments on Twitter that weren't even remotely controversial.

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I think that from day one. Corbyn should have been sticking up for the Low Paid worker, the people on zero hour contracts. Pushing May, to axe the dreaded Bedroom Tax.

He is too soft, and only won the Leadership on the backs of stupid Labour members that paid money into the Party.

Its like Cameron giving out Gongs for donating to the Tories.

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Juist been listening to some commentator or other banging on about how ridiculous it is for a UKIP leadership candidate to have missed the application deadline. As ridiculous as Corbyn's 'Labour Party'?... :D

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You obviously don't listen to PMQs?

Corbyn comes across to me as someone on the autistic spectrum (Aspergers), he does nothing but rigidly ask the same few questions on the subjects he is obsessed with.

Those constant questions he constantly repeats are the ones you say he is not asking.

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These people can't run their own party let alone the country... :rofl:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37009871

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All this is doing, is to increase the money that The Labour Party get. Which is wrong.

The Money that The labour Party gets comes from the Unions, donators - NT from people that want t see Jeremy Corbyn win another farcical election.

We want a leader elected by the Voter, at a General Election. The NEC is run by Unions and pen pushers.

Aren't these prats aware that Corbyn, will NEVER win a General Election. He is NOT strong enough to take on The Conservatives.

If there is a General Election would rather vote UKIP.

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Arthur it was normal members who got corbyn the leadership.

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It's getting a bit boring now with all this Labour rubbish. what does Corbyn actually do? what has he actually done? and what will he do? he just goes to work to do absolutely nothing really. and we're all getting bored with it all.

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I bet Sadiq Khan is soooooooooooooooo happy he nominated Corbyn in the first place. :rofl:

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Talk about self inflicted wounds.

Linky

The Tory's must be brimming with glee, contrast the clean take over by May and her new team with this rabble.

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Exactly. If the Tories were Labour they'd have accidentally let a load of UKIP members in to vote for Angela Leadsom. That is, someone popular with a section of the party faithful but not popular in the country.

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What little credibility they had left (if there was any) after the Bliar/Brown years suddenly looks a very long way away. As it is, the supposed 'movers and shakers' are keeping their heads down too scared to do something about any of this. They're letting the country down just as much now as they did when in power, only in a different way. Few of them come out of this unholy mess looking anything other than weak and indecisive. Frankly it's pathetic.

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As noted above, Corbyn was voted for by the members, and it seems there is at least circumstantial evidence that more have joined just to vote for him.

Personally, while I respect Jeremy Corbyn, and feel he does stand for his own beliefs (something sadly lacking in a lot of politicians), I don't think he is a good party leader. While he is undoubtedly a good MP, standing up for his constituents, that is not enough to be a party leader. He needs to lead the party. He has failed to do that through both severe cuts (which any decent political leader should have been able to use to massively increase the party's support), and the most important vote in 40 years.

He promised major changes in UK politics, and has failed to deliver.

The situation has got bad enough that his entire shadow cabinet resigned, quite possibly ending their own careers in politics in the process.

He needs to do one thing. He needs to step up and be a leader. He needs to fight for his party. If he can't do that, he needs to step aside and let someone take over who can.

Make no mistake: The Labour party is in danger. From what I can gather, it's likely that if Corbyn stays, the party will split. That's not good for Labour and it's not good for the country as it means the Conservatives will be running the country with no effective opposition. Although having said that, it's debatable how much opposition they have now.

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Shame he doesn't stand up for his female MPs! Still, his is a caring type of politics......he couldn't care less that they are being threatened and abused by his followers :rolleyes:

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Corbyn doesn't stand up for anything except his own outdated and flawed ideology. He's been a political hermit within Labour for so long that he can't change and never will.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37057589

Oh dear.

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And the carnival continues, no doubt they will appeal to the Supreme Court, then if that fails 130,000 people will want their money back as they can't vote despite paying £25 each for the privilege.

I hope Labour just dies... and something else comes out of the ashes, it's beyond farcical.

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They are nothing more than a protest party now

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To add to its many existing woes, Labour has been infected by the sort of loonie lefties which used to 'run' Liverpool in Degsy Hatton's time. They'll go the same way too...

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The £25 people can vote now, if this stands, it's the ones who didn't do that but signed up within the last 6 months or so who now cannot vote again.

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I thought the £25 ones were those who signed up in the last 6 months.

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No, there was a two day window for supporters to sign up a few weeks ago. Members who joined in the last 6 months however were banned from voting. The court said no, the appeal says yes.

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Sounds like a Labour money making scam to me... :D

I hope Corbyn's cronies are as harsh upon those responsible as they are when it's BigCorp doing the ripping off. :D

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There are so many people enjoying this implosion and whilst it could be argued labour under corbyn is worse then useless this is a major problem for the UK as our political system only works well with a strong and credible opposition and this whole shambles has gauranteed we won't have that for a long long time. In relation to corbyn personally i am starting to think he's an utter gutter dweller as i cannot believe he doesn't see the damage this is doing and no one who loved something could lead it's destruction as he is and be happy about it.

Right now the best thing he could do for the UK, the labour party and the people of the UK is to step down and go back to the backbenches but his ego isn't going to let him do that.

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Maybe he's doing the best thing, by killing off Labour, which let's face it was a bit... meh and whatever forms out of the mess by actually be an opposition and not Tory Lite, I wouldn't have called Ed Milliband a 'credible and strong opposition' things did need to change, maybe the Corbyn effect will be that catalyst.

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Linky

Is this Smith's Trump moment? :D

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Sounds like they're trying to out socialise each other, corby's soft on N I nutters, so Smith raises him IS.

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Wow Labour's looking a good bet for the future. If only they can manage to ditch the Corbyn the Clingon, they'll have Kinnock # II running the party. :rofl:

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Smith will be easier to oust in future though and isn't going to go on a ideological purge of the party. It was a moronic thing to say although, unlike Corbyn, I don't think he believes it but is trying to win over a highly partisan crowd of obsessives.

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I have sent loads of emails to my own MP and to the Labour Party office. Even the Unions that support Corbyn.

I haven't had one reply.

The Conservative Party will be in power for a Lon time.

I heard that the true Labour Party, have called on Ed Milibands brother, to come home and be part of the party again

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As electorally useless as Kinnock was, he did just about manage to drag Labour back from the brink the last time it decided to go hard lefty. Owen Smith will probably not be a prime minister, but he might just keep the Labour party on the same planet as the electorate.

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It's not saying much for Labour that things were so bad under Foot and now Corbyn that Kinnock and Smith could be considered an improvement... :D

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Lets be honest labour have royally screwed the public with this mess and i don't see it ending anytime soon corbyn will win the election and it's just going to drag on and on.

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At the moment I think Labour are just royally entertaining the public. They won't get a chance to screw us unless we're stupid enough to elect them in 2020, which I think is vanishingly unlikely.

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There's more chance of me winning the lottery then labour getting elected in 2020.

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Corbyn will not commit to coming to the aid of a NATO ally if they were attacked, the very purpose of NATO: https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/766346706690666496

It's the first time he has cast doubt on NATO and now Trump is doing the same in the US whilst Le Pen has said the same in France.

Putin must be loving this, that's if he isn't behind it. A lot of useful idiots have come to the fore in recent years parroting the Kremlin line. It's quite scary, I am not conspiratorial minded but there is something oddly consistent about all these anti-establishment movements whose goals dovetail with Russian interests.

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If anyone had any doubt that Corbyn's a complete buffoon this ought to end it, unless of course they're equally deluded or in the pay of the Kremlin...

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Well Comrade, you do seem a bit obsessed about Jeremy. If he's in no danger of ever being elected why bother ? I like him, he offers an definite alternative, which people may or may not want. Cameron/Clegg/Blair/May - virtually no difference between them once PM.

He did a very good sit down protest on the train the other day with other passengers in economy that didn't have seats. Compare that to sweet George Osborne who insisted on being in First Class without paying.....

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I don't think it's impossible he could be elected, he will be leader of the opposition and Labour has a lot of staying power via the name alone. It's also important to have an effective opposition.

This is about the issue itself though. I don't like the increasing anti-NATO tones from the like of Corbyn, Le Pen and Trump. All of them want to undermine it and find excuses for Russian aggression. I think it's suspicious and dangerous.

EDIT: Look at this too: http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...trump-too.html

We're being played for 'useful' idiots here.

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I don't doubt he'll be voted in as Labour leader - it suits too manys agendas for him not too, I would not expect him to win a GE though, which again suits manys agenda.

Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 

If anyone wants an effective opposition, they're not going to get it with a clown like Corbyn running the Labour show. He's a relic of the past and a very poor leader who'd bring this country to its knees. What's required is for Labour to split, leave Corbyn and his loony left cronies to count their votes from the rose tinted brigade and those who're serious about creating a new, more representative, party to get off their bums and do it. If Smith is the best Labour can do to challenge Corbyn the Tories are going to be well and truly delighted.

Like or loathe them, when you compare the heavyweights Labour used to have within their ranks to today's bunch the extent to which the party has deteriorated is quite obvious.