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Pierre 03-04-2015 15:08

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35769319)
a great performance from Nigel
a good performance from Ed
a lackluster performance from Dave
the Scottish thing did ok
the welshie was just whining
and greenie is just crackers
and nickie boy's career is over

A very succinct appraisal

Kursk 03-04-2015 15:52

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35769319)
a great performance from Nigel
a good performance from Ed
a lackluster performance from Dave
the Scottish thing did ok
the welshie was just whining
and greenie is just crackers
and nickie boy's career is over

:)

"It's the foreigners fault" cried Nigel
"That Greenie is from Oz
That Sturgeon's a fish out of water
And Dave's not the man he was"
"It's the Tories fault" shouted Ed
But the Welshie blamed Old Nick
Cleggie just said "I'm sorry"
They all got on my wick

nashville 03-04-2015 15:57

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Love the poem

Kursk 03-04-2015 16:00

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Originally Posted by nashville (Post 35769435)
Love the poem

Inspired by Papa Smurf and our wonderful politicians :)

papa smurf 03-04-2015 19:05

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35769434)
:)

"It's the foreigners fault" cried Nigel
"That Greenie is from Oz
That Sturgeon's a fish out of water
And Dave's not the man he was"
"It's the Tories fault" shouted Ed
But the Welshie blamed Old Nick
Cleggie just said "I'm sorry"
They all got on my wick

:clap:

Chris 03-04-2015 22:03

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Meanwhile, it's amateur hour at Bute House:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...d-Cameron.html

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Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP leader, has privately said that she would "rather see" David Cameron win the general election because Ed Miliband is not “prime minister material”, a leaked memorandum seen by The Daily Telegraph has revealed.

...

It is a common diplomatic courtesy if an ambassador to the UK visits one of the three devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland for the British Government to be given an official readout of the conversation although the SNP leader, who has only been in position since the autumn, may have been unaware of this formality.
:rofl:

LondonRoad 03-04-2015 22:24

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35769548)
Meanwhile, it's amateur hour at Bute House:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...d-Cameron.html



:rofl:

Denied by Sturgeon and the French Consul General apparently.

Made up story by the Torygraph?

https://twitter.com/severincarrell/s...13809633239040
https://twitter.com/Pmacgiollabhain/...16170531405824

Hugh 03-04-2015 23:48

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https://mobile.twitter.com/garylinek...19470322982912

Jimmy-J 04-04-2015 01:05

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35769563)

The same can be said for all of them.

denphone 04-04-2015 05:04

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35769563)

+1

Damien 04-04-2015 06:28

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Originally Posted by LondonRoad (Post 35769553)
Denied by Sturgeon and the French Consul General apparently.

Made up story by the Torygraph?

https://twitter.com/severincarrell/s...13809633239040
https://twitter.com/Pmacgiollabhain/...16170531405824

To be fair you would expect them to deny it but the First Minster's office are claiming the minutes of the meeting don't show this either.

Chris 04-04-2015 09:03

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35769576)
To be fair you would expect them to deny it but the First Minster's office are claiming the minutes of the meeting don't show this either.

Comments like that are hardly going to be made during a minuted meeting.

This was an off-the-cuff comment by Wee Nippy, either on the way on or the way out of the meeting room. The Scottish "government" has denied this in carefully worded terms. The French ambassador has no obligations to the British public or our political conventions so is free to deny at will anyway.

You can be absolutely confident that this actually happened, not least because a weak Tory government opposed by a strong SNP contingent is exactly what everyone knows is the best scenario for the Nats and their only real reason for existence, namely to break Scotland away from the UK. Playing nicely with a Labour government doesn't serve that purpose. Heroically fighting Scotland's corner against the evil (English) Tories does.

LondonRoad 04-04-2015 09:11

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35769589)
Comments like that are hardly going to be made during a minuted meeting.

This was an off-the-cuff comment by Wee Nippy, either on the way on or the way out of the meeting room. The Scottish "government" has denied this in carefully worded terms. The French ambassador has no obligations to the British public or our political conventions so is free to deny at will anyway.

You can be absolutely confident that this actually happened, not least because a weak Tory government opposed by a strong SNP contingent is exactly what everyone knows is the best scenario for the Nats and their only real reason for existence, namely to break Scotland away from the UK. Playing nicely with a Labour government doesn't serve that purpose. Heroically fighting Scotland's corner against the evil (English) Tories does.

So you accept the Torygraph version which seems to be a second hand report of an overhead conversation that may or may not have taken place.
Just because that may be the best scenario for the Nats does not mean that the words were actually spoken by the FM. It really is very shoddy journalism from an increasingly shoddy rag.

Chris 04-04-2015 09:27

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The issue here is one of credibility - of all those involved, and of the story itself.

The story, even without any evidence at all, is entirely plausible, because it simply reflects the position everybody knows the SNP leadership holds in private.

The mechanism by which the story was reported, via several steps of diplomatic whispering, is, again, plausible. It is simply how the game is played. Everyone involved in diplomacy knows this. Sturgeon apparently didn't, and didn't understand the implications of her position as merely chief executive of a devolved administration. The SNP may like to lord it up and pretend they're running a government, but the only people they are deceiving are themselves. Foreign diplomats show courtesy where it is due, and that is to the actual government whose territory they are on, not regional politicians.

Ultimately there are never going to be any documents published, and nobody has lied to parliament so there will be no inquiry and no censure. People who lean heavily to one side of the divide or other will believe their own side. A lot of people in the middle will look at this and make their own minds up. I predict that a lot of people will accept that this is true, simply because we all already know it is. And that Labour in Scotland will not easily allow this to go away.

Hugh 04-04-2015 09:35

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Quite amusing...

Damien 04-04-2015 10:14

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35769589)
Comments like that are hardly going to be made during a minuted meeting.

This was an off-the-cuff comment by Wee Nippy, either on the way on or the way out of the meeting room. The Scottish "government" has denied this in carefully worded terms. The French ambassador has no obligations to the British public or our political conventions so is free to deny at will anyway.

You can be absolutely confident that this actually happened, not least because a weak Tory government opposed by a strong SNP contingent is exactly what everyone knows is the best scenario for the Nats and their only real reason for existence, namely to break Scotland away from the UK. Playing nicely with a Labour government doesn't serve that purpose. Heroically fighting Scotland's corner against the evil (English) Tories does.

I agree she thinks it and I think she probably said it. As I have mentioned previous it is painfully obvious this is their plan. It was clear from the moment they made trident a 'red line' in any future coalition plans, an impossible request, that they want to remain outside the 'establishment' lobbing rocks than risk being seen as part of it.

The problem is that anyone minded to give the SNP the benefit of the doubt have been giving more than enough reason to be so. This is weak evidence. So this doesn't help the unionist cause at all. Last night I was pretty hopeful that this would put a dent in the SNP surge but now there is little to go on and if anything it will only increase the fundamentalist zeal of their supporters.

Chris 04-04-2015 10:21

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35769601)
. Last night I was pretty hopeful that this would put a dent in the SNP surge but now there is little to go on and if anything it will only increase the fundamentalist zeal of their supporters.

Nothing can dent the fundamentalist zeal of their supporters. ;). Bear that in mind, and remember that they will make a lot more noise than you would expect. Come polling day, there is no doubt the SNP will do better than it ever has before; it would be hard not to, with the Yessers still so sore over their recent defeat. But there are a lot of people in Scotland who don't support them, and who never will. It will only be big news if they make any significant breakthrough beyond the 44.7% Yes vote from last September. And I don't think that's likely.

Damien 04-04-2015 10:54

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35769596)
Quite amusing...

It is but it's clear why Miliband didn't go after Farage that much. Clegg and Cameron also tried to avoid confrontation with him. The minority parties did so instead.

Farage was baiting them into criticising him so that he can play the politically correct persecution card. He does this all the time. He says something that skirts with racism, xenophobia or simply outright ignorance but is usually wise enough to stay just on the right side of the line. Everyone knows the implication and undertones of what he is saying but, on the face of it, it's reasonable.

Remember when he said the children of migrants should be counted as migrants too? Not entirely unreasonable if you're talking about the impact of migration, it's certainly not obviously racist, but it's never how these things are measured and the full implication of it is that someone born here is considered as a migrant.

This is the same. The figure he quoted was misleading and the 'not born here' includes plenty of people who have been here their whole lives, schooled here, worked here and are British citizens.

Of course he doesn't care. That isn't the point. The point was the reaction he wanted from Cameron/Miliband. They attack him for the remark and he whines that it's true and UKIPers cry Political correctness.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35769602)
Nothing can dent the fundamentalist zeal of their supporters. ;). Bear that in mind, and remember that they will make a lot more noise than you would expect. Come polling day, there is no doubt the SNP will do better than it ever has before; it would be hard not to, with the Yessers still so sore over their recent defeat. But there are a lot of people in Scotland who don't support them, and who never will. It will only be big news if they make any significant breakthrough beyond the 44.7% Yes vote from last September. And I don't think that's likely.

I think it's the fact people who aren't traditionally nationalist are being taken in by this 'progressive alliance' spin. People I know in England are being taken in by this too. They're nationalists, their entire goal is a Independent Scotland. Yet people are falling for this new image that they want to build alliances across the UK for the better good. It's infuriating. I can see it, you can see it, people who aren't fans of the SNP can see but so many others cannot.

As Ashdown has said they're coming to burn the place down but no one is paying attention or doing anything about it. :(

Hugh 04-04-2015 12:26

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Here is the actual link

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The Ambassador also had a truncated meeting with the FM (FM running late after a busy Thursday…). Discussion appears to have focused mainly on the political situation, with the FM stating that she wouldn’t want a formal coalition with Labour; that the SNP would almost certainly have a large number of seats; that she had no idea ‘what kind of mischief’ Alex Salmond would get up to; and confessed that she’d rather see David Cameron remain as PM (and didn’t see Ed Miliband as PM material). I have to admit that I’m not sure that the FM’s tongue would be quite so loose on that kind of thing in a meeting like that, so it might well be a case of something being lost in translation.
I thought the comment about Alex Salmond might have raised a few more eyebrows.....

dilli-theclaw 04-04-2015 12:33

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Got polling cards yesterday - so I'm thinking about it all the more now. Still don't know who I despise the least though.

denphone 04-04-2015 12:38

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Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw (Post 35769627)
Got polling cards yesterday - so I'm thinking about it all the more now. Still don't know who I despise the least though.

Yes we got ours today as well and one will have to come to a decision soon but who to pick remains a very vexed question in our household.:spin::no::Yes::spin::no::Yes:

richard s 04-04-2015 14:01

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It certainly does DenPhone, but who ever we pick can they do a better job in the next five years than this lot that are in power now! I can see another ten years of austerity measures being implemented.

Question to ask do we need a change in the British Political establishment.

Do I stick to what I know or do I want a radical change perhaps.:confused:

heero_yuy 04-04-2015 14:37

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The alternative to austerity (cuts) is more/higher taxes and/or more borrowing.:erm: Both are likely to be troublesome to sections of the electorate. Borrowing is mortgaging your children's future whilst I'm sure you'd welcome higher taxes so long as you're not the one who has to pay them.

Ignitionnet 04-04-2015 14:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35769677)
The alternative to austerity (cuts) is more/higher taxes and/or more borrowing.:erm: Both are likely to be troublesome to sections of the electorate. Borrowing is mortgaging your children's future whilst I'm sure you'd welcome higher taxes so long as you're not the one who has to pay them.

Entirely in favour of reducing current spending, however a nice big capital expenditure programme to offset decades of underinvestment while interest rates are ridiculous would be a great idea.

Borrowing on most current expenditure is mortgaging the future, borrowing for capital expenditure to improve productivity is investment in the future.

heero_yuy 04-04-2015 14:56

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35769678)
Entirely in favour of reducing current spending, however a nice big capital expenditure programme to offset decades of underinvestment while interest rates are ridiculous would be a great idea.

Borrowing on most current expenditure is mortgaging the future, borrowing for capital expenditure to improve productivity is investment in the future.

Infrastructure spending would be the way to go but you just know that some political parties would just increase the structural deficit ( Employ load more public servants and give out more largesse to shirkers) without any long term benefit.

papa smurf 04-04-2015 15:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35769677)
The alternative to austerity (cuts) is more/higher taxes and/or more borrowing.:erm: Both are likely to be troublesome to sections of the electorate. Borrowing is mortgaging your children's future whilst I'm sure you'd welcome higher taxes so long as you're not the one who has to pay them.

i find that idea quite disturbing i think the British work force are paying too much towards the British shirk force .

denphone 06-04-2015 12:09

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Polls suggest log jam not shifting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32187729

Hom3r 06-04-2015 18:14

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I want to know why in the South East of England I'm getting party political broadcast for parties I cannot vote for even if I did.

Namely SNP, Plaid Cymru.

You can get regional News, so why not political rubbish.

Arthurgray50@blu 06-04-2015 21:18

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To be honest, l wish Nicola Sturgeon was an MP down here in London. I would certainly vote for her. The way she had a go at Cameron was the highlight for me.

Apart from her being tasty, and that bird from Plaid Cymru, l think the election will be good for the country.

At last we have a fight on our hands - I can see Cameron losing and it being SNP/Labour coalition - More of Nicola please

nashville 06-04-2015 21:53

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You can take her from Scotland anytime, I cannot stand her or her policy to break up the United Kingdom

Dave42 06-04-2015 22:02

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What about her wanting the nasty party to win shocking

Hugh 07-04-2015 08:04

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But she is willing to support the ******* party on a case by case basis.....

Chris 07-04-2015 08:12

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35770056)
To be honest, l wish Nicola Sturgeon was an MP down here in London. I would certainly vote for her. The way she had a go at Cameron was the highlight for me.

Apart from her being tasty, and that bird from Plaid Cymru, l think the election will be good for the country.

At last we have a fight on our hands - I can see Cameron losing and it being SNP/Labour coalition - More of Nicola please

Nicola Sturgeon isn't standing to be an MP, Arthur. She already has a job in the Scottish parliament. If the SNP does as well as is predicted, it will be Alex Salmond you see more of.

I see you still haven't decided if you're a strong Labour supporter or not. Almost all SNP gains in Scotland will be at the expense of Labour. Hoping for that outcome is a pretty odd way of showing support for the party you claim to love.

Sirius 07-04-2015 08:47

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If Labour get in next we can expect to see another one of these in 5 years time.

The famous there is no money left note.

Gary L 07-04-2015 09:45

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35770101)
If Labour get in next we can expect to see another one of these in 5 years time.

The famous there is no money left note.

I'm so excited!
I can't wait to see Daves face when he has to hand the keys in.

heero_yuy 07-04-2015 10:05

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35770111)
I'm so excited!
I can't wait to see Daves face when he has to hand the keys in.

I'm quite fearful of seeing a puppet Labour government at the behest of UNITE and the SNP.

According to their spending plans they need to find an extra £3,000 per household over the next 5 years. They've ruled out VAT and Income tax RATE changes but you can bet they'll pick your pockets for it in the same way they did last time.

Look forward to the return of the duty escalators and new stealth taxes. :(

Hugh 07-04-2015 10:49

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35770119)
I'm quite fearful of seeing a puppet Labour government at the behest of UNITE and the SNP.

According to their spending plans they need to find an extra £3,000 per household over the next 5 years. They've ruled out VAT and Income tax RATE changes but you can bet they'll pick your pockets for it in the same way they did last time.

Look forward to the return of the duty escalators and new stealth taxes. :(

Yes, but that in some people's view, is some one else's problem......:(

Ignitionnet 07-04-2015 11:08

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35770141)
Yes, but that in some people's view, is some one else's problem......:(

If you're English it's certainly your problem - the Scots obviously want austerity rollback which they themselves can't fund as they're already in receipt of a lot more spending per head than the additional taxes they pay over rUK, and Plaid Cymru want the same deal Scotland have which would leave Wales even more heavily subsidised.

The main casualties of this would likely end up being the south west and north of England, both of whom get nothing beyond part of the bill and don't yet have the strong private sector the south east and London have.

Damien 07-04-2015 11:22

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35770144)
If you're English it's certainly your problem - the Scots obviously want austerity rollback which they themselves can't fund as they're already in receipt of a lot more spending per head than the additional taxes they pay over rUK.

So does the rest of the UK. It's the deficit.

Ignitionnet 07-04-2015 11:43

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35770148)
So does the rest of the UK. It's the deficit.

Which will be a lot more difficult to shift and the burden of which will fall a lot harder on the English when the Scottish deficit hits £1,000 more per head than rUK in 2016-17, let alone giving the same funding settlement to the Welsh who would run a considerably larger deficit still due to considerably lower tax revenues per head.

Give them the fiscal independence they so want and then let the SNP explain to the Scots why they want to jack their taxes up by 10% across the board :)

Sirius 07-04-2015 12:11

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I see that ******* Blier has come out from under his stone today to spin another good yarn. :mad:

heero_yuy 07-04-2015 12:19

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35770162)
I see that ******* Blier has come out from under his stone today to spin another good yarn. :mad:

According to the liar even giving the people a choice on the EU will bring about armageddon and the rise of the four horsemen.

Quote:

In response to Blair's comments, Conservative Chancellor George Osborne rejected the idea that the referendum would deter investors, citing continued inward investment since his party first made the pledge.

"He's doing a good service to us all today by ... advertising the fact that if you vote Conservative, you get a referendum on Britain's membership of the European Union," Osborne told a news conference.
Reuters

Ignitionnet 07-04-2015 14:48

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This is impressive.

So many of the things that people may find repulsive about this general election campaign in a single article.

Tony Blair, the wannabe ruler of Europe, dancing to the EU tune while simultaneously refusing to give unqualified support to Ed Milliband because he, like the rest of us, knows that Ed is abysmal.

The Liberal Democrats fear mongering about how the Tories would be in hock to a UKIP that will get at most half a dozen seats, but the solution is of course to ensure that the Liberal Democrats get enough MPs to form part of a coalition.

The Conservatives making it very clear what a waste of time their promise of a referendum is given they already say that they want the UK to remain in a 'reformed' EU leaving, exactly as Douglas Carswell said, masses of wiggle room for cosmetic changes to the relationship they can claim are reform enough to do what Cameron clearly has always wanted and campaign for an 'in' vote.

Beyond comedy. Beyond farce. Purely depressing. I am 36 years old, the first general election I could vote in I was 18, and I have never wanted to spoil the ballot so strongly.

nashville 07-04-2015 15:40

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I do not think Blair will help the Labour in any way. He should have stayed out of it,

Sirius 07-04-2015 15:41

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35770181)
This is impressive.

So many of the things that people may find repulsive about this general election campaign in a single article.

Tony Blair, the wannabe ruler of Europe, dancing to the EU tune while simultaneously refusing to give unqualified support to Ed Milliband because he, like the rest of us, knows that Ed is abysmal.

The Liberal Democrats fear mongering about how the Tories would be in hock to a UKIP that will get at most half a dozen seats, but the solution is of course to ensure that the Liberal Democrats get enough MPs to form part of a coalition.

The Conservatives making it very clear what a waste of time their promise of a referendum is given they already say that they want the UK to remain in a 'reformed' EU leaving, exactly as Douglas Carswell said, masses of wiggle room for cosmetic changes to the relationship they can claim are reform enough to do what Cameron clearly has always wanted and campaign for an 'in' vote.

Beyond comedy. Beyond farce. Purely depressing. I am 36 years old, the first general election I could vote in I was 18, and I have never wanted to spoil the ballot so strongly.

I will make my decision on who i will vote for if i vote in the booth on the day depending on what is best for me and my family. That is why i have not been following the second by second crap that is all over the news.

Damien 07-04-2015 16:11

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35770181)
The Conservatives making it very clear what a waste of time their promise of a referendum is given they already say that they want the UK to remain in a 'reformed' EU leaving, exactly as Douglas Carswell said, masses of wiggle room for cosmetic changes to the relationship they can claim are reform enough to do what Cameron clearly has always wanted and campaign for an 'in' vote.
.

That doesn't make the referendum a waste of time. If they don't abide by the result then it does but otherwise the Government are under no obligation to campaign for an exit. In many respects this will echo the Scottish Referendum.

There will still be a vote and you will still have the opportunity to vote to leave.

It's been clear the strategy from the Government is to win concessions, cosmetic or otherwise, from the EU and then campaign for it. This is why Cameron was so adamant that the negotiation happens before the vote. The polls suggest that currently the Stay/Leave vote is close - staying is marginally ahead - but with a 'renegotiation' the stay vote is much higher. That's politics for you.

However before anyone gets too indignant about it let's remember that this is also the reason Euroskeptics wanted a referendum now. They want one before any negotiation can take place and concessions, cosmetic or otherwise, can be granted and weaken their campaign. Ideally whilst Europe remains in turmoil too. Everyone wants the political environment to be favourable to their cause when and if the referendum happens whichever side of the issue they fall into. It isn't limited to Cameron.

The other thing we can be sure of is that the Pro-EU side will label any concessions as meaningful and a victory whilst the Anti-EU side will label them cosmetic. Very few of them will likely have bothered to look either way.

Arthurgray50@blu 07-04-2015 16:14

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I think she is very tasty, and she can come down here anytime she likes.

Hugh 07-04-2015 16:17

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35770197)
I think she is very tasty, and she can come down here anytime she likes.

<little bit of sick in the back of my throat :sick:>

denphone 07-04-2015 16:21

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35770197)
I think she is very tasty, and she can come down here anytime she likes.

As far as l am concerned l don't want her putting one foot over the border.:nono:

heero_yuy 07-04-2015 16:26

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35770201)
As far as l am concerned l don't want her putting one foot over the border.:nono:

Never has Hadrian's wall been so missed. :D

Arthurgray50@blu 07-04-2015 16:32

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Does everyone know that Tony Blair has now joined the trail with Ed

papa smurf 07-04-2015 16:33

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35770207)
Does everyone know that Tony Blair has now joined the trail with Ed

let me know when tony Blair is on trial .

denphone 07-04-2015 16:34

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He has joined the campaign Arthur but one cannot see them both sharing the same soapbox.

papa smurf 07-04-2015 16:35

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35770197)
I think she is very tasty, and she can come down here anytime she likes.

she's a munta - Arthur has she always been a chick ?

MalteseFalcon 07-04-2015 16:37

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That could well be the final nail for Miliband. Having Blair endorse something nowadays is not going to win votes from anyone but the absolute hardcore Labour voters.

Shame really, as I attended a primary school with 2 of Blair's kids before and just after becoming leader, and as such admired him. Sadly, I finally realised what a fool he was in 2003 after the Iraq war began.

Sirius 07-04-2015 17:22

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35770207)
Does everyone know that Tony Blair has now joined the trail with Ed

Yes i saw that the lying ******* had crawled out from under the stone he has been hiding under to spin another lie. Now he is in the open i hope someone arrests him for war crimes.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35770209)
let me know when tony Blair is on trial .

Would love to see that lying git arrested.

---------- Post added at 18:22 ---------- Previous post was at 18:20 ----------

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35770215)
That could well be the final nail for Miliband. Having Blair endorse something nowadays is not going to win votes from anyone but the absolute hardcore Labour voters.

Shame really, as I attended a primary school with 2 of Blair's kids before and just after becoming leader, and as such admired him. Sadly, I finally realised what a fool he was in 2003 after the Iraq war began.

Indeed i hope it does put Miliband on a downward slope.

Ignitionnet 07-04-2015 19:57

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35770199)
<little bit of sick in the back of my throat :sick:>

I can only express solidarity via mutual nausea.

Gary L 07-04-2015 23:09

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35770213)
she's a munta - Arthur has she always been a chick ?

Not saying Arthur's a munta.
but a munta will always find another munter attractive.

me and you have to have a few drinks before.

anyway. Vote Labour and fix the mess that Dave has done in the last five years.

TheDaddy 08-04-2015 05:41

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35770181)
This is impressive.

So many of the things that people may find repulsive about this general election campaign in a single article.

Tony Blair, the wannabe ruler of Europe, dancing to the EU tune while simultaneously refusing to give unqualified support to Ed Milliband because he, like the rest of us, knows that Ed is abysmal.

The Liberal Democrats fear mongering about how the Tories would be in hock to a UKIP that will get at most half a dozen seats, but the solution is of course to ensure that the Liberal Democrats get enough MPs to form part of a coalition.

The Conservatives making it very clear what a waste of time their promise of a referendum is given they already say that they want the UK to remain in a 'reformed' EU leaving, exactly as Douglas Carswell said, masses of wiggle room for cosmetic changes to the relationship they can claim are reform enough to do what Cameron clearly has always wanted and campaign for an 'in' vote.

Beyond comedy. Beyond farce. Purely depressing. I am 36 years old, the first general election I could vote in I was 18, and I have never wanted to spoil the ballot so strongly.

Go green Carl, I am and be in no doubt it's a protest just like when I used to vote for UKIP or the lib dems in fact every vote but one I've made has been a protest and the one was for a tory MP who helped my mother, felt right to repay the debt no matter how grubby it made me feel leaving the booth

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35770197)
I think she is very tasty, and she can come down here anytime she likes.

Who wee Jimmy cranky

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35770203)
Never has Hadrian's wall been so missed. :D

We'll need to rename that harridan's wall

MalteseFalcon 08-04-2015 12:25

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Got to share this picture from the Times today.

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A couple more to brighten up the afternoon:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multim...nd_879555c.jpg http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multim...14_871417c.jpg

Sirius 08-04-2015 12:42

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Just sent the local Labour guy away from my front door with a few choice words that included words like " there is not a clucking chance that i will vote for your lot". :LOL:

So glad i took this week off work it gave me the chance to meet him. :)

richard s 08-04-2015 12:47

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Looks my football team owner will be selling up and be moving to Yank land (were the poor stay poor and the rich get richer) if Ed introduces the non-Dom tax law (good on him).

Well done Tony Blair (the best Priminster the Tory's never had) for supporting Ed.

MalteseFalcon 08-04-2015 12:56

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The Labour candidate for Stevenage keeps going on about knocking on doors in Stevenage, yet when I called her out on Twitter for not visiting my street she swore she did. Joker.

Sirius 08-04-2015 13:00

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35770359)
Looks my football team owner will be selling up and be moving to Yank land (were the poor stay poor and the rich get richer) if Ed introduces the non-Dom tax law (good on him).

Well done Tony Blair (the best Priminster the Tory's never had) for supporting Ed.

Yep Tony Blair the biggest war criminal in British history :rolleyes:

ianch99 08-04-2015 13:11

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35770362)
Yep Tony Blair the biggest war criminal in British history :rolleyes:

Rubbish

heero_yuy 08-04-2015 13:12

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35770359)
Looks my football team owner will be selling up and be moving to Yank land (were the poor stay poor and the rich get richer) if Ed introduces the non-Dom tax law (good on him).

Well done Tony Blair (the best Priminster the Tory's never had) for supporting Ed.

Yep, every one that goes costs the treasury £100,000 a year. Masterstroke. :rolleyes:

45% or 50% of nothing is still nothing.

Sirius 08-04-2015 13:14

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35770363)
Rubbish

How many young men died in Iraq because he lied to get us into that war. Now he is supporting Miliband, if i was Miliband i would of told him to stick his support up his arse.

heero_yuy 08-04-2015 13:17

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Not to forget the 100's of thousands of civilians that also paid the ultimate price for his arrogance.

richard s 08-04-2015 13:22

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Not to the mention the British lives lost in Afganistan for what!

Damien 08-04-2015 13:40

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35770364)
Yep, every one that goes costs the treasury £100,000 a year. Masterstroke. :rolleyes:

45% or 50% of nothing is still nothing.

Only if their income isn't reported as being earn abroad. The case this morning of the HSBC executive whose born in the UK and lives here but gets paid abroad and has non-dom status because he lived in Hong Kong for a few years is hard to justify. How can people who've lived here for years, even decades, qualify as domiciled elsewhere for tax purposes?

Where did you get the figure of £100,000 and how much will that be made for by the increased revenue?

One of the problems is that it doesn't encourage investment as that will be taxed at UK rates. All it encourages is keeping your assets abroad in tax havens. It's probably why this particular tax break hasn't caught on in many other places in the world.

ianch99 08-04-2015 14:03

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35770364)
Yep, every one that goes costs the treasury £100,000 a year. Masterstroke. :rolleyes:

45% or 50% of nothing is still nothing.

This is a position of principle, not profit. If you live in this country, you should pay the same taxes as the rest of us.

denphone 08-04-2015 14:06

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35770362)
Yep Tony Blair the biggest war criminal in British history :rolleyes:

That depends on peoples point of view Sirius as half see him as that and half don't.

ianch99 08-04-2015 14:09

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35770367)
Not to the mention the British lives lost in Afganistan for what!

Dave wanted our soldiers in Syria, Labour didn't. But Dave is not a Labour politician so that's all right then ...

Hugh 08-04-2015 14:15

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35770377)
This is a position of principle, not profit. If you live in this country, you should pay the same taxes as the rest of us.

What, the principle that it will cost the country money*?

*Ed Balls, January 2015.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35770381)
Dave wanted our soldiers in Syria, Labour didn't. But Dave is not a Labour politician so that's all right then ...

Did Dave say the Chemical Weapons could be fired at 40 minutes notice?

Osem 08-04-2015 14:20

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Did Dave have secret talks with Bush about what was really going on?...

Bliar presided over what happened. He made the decisions, he told the porkies and he should pay a price. Instead we have him jetting off around the globe making 'peace' in inverse proportion to money. ****!

Ignitionnet 08-04-2015 14:20

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35770303)
Go green Carl

No. They're mental.

heero_yuy 08-04-2015 14:27

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35770377)
This is a position of principle, not profit. If you live in this country, you should pay the same taxes as the rest of us.

I believe they do on income earned in THIS country. The Labour plan is to try and tax income earned in other countries as well.

Mind you Balls wasn't convinced about it in January:

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LABOUR’S vow to close a tax loophole for rich Brits was in tatters this morning – as it emerged Ed Balls had savaged the idea in January.

Ed Miliband has pledged to end the “non-domicile” status which allows more than 100,000 UK citizens avoid tax on their overseas income.

But the plan looked in danger of unravelling this morning as it emerged some will still be able to take advantage of the perk if they are only living in Britain temporarily.

An interview also emerged of Shadow Chancellor Mr Balls trashing the proposal just three months ago, claiming it would cost the Treasury money as tycoons move to lower tax regimes abroad.

Mr Balls said: “If you abolish the whole status it will end up costing Britain money because some people will leave the country.”

Mr Balls has also admitted he did not know how much extra cash it would raise.
Paywall linky, sorry

BTW Damien the £100,000 amount was being bandied about on R4 this morning but it might only apply to the super rich. Sub-millionairs pay less, down to £30,000 I'm given to believe.

MalteseFalcon 08-04-2015 14:29

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Did a poll to find who I should be voting for. UKIP first, Labour second and Liberals third. I'd rather abstain than vote for any of those parties. The real shame about the whole electoral system is that you cannot mix and match policies from all parties.

heero_yuy 08-04-2015 14:31

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35770389)
Did a poll to find who I should be voting for. UKIP first, Labour second and Liberals third. I'd rather abstain than vote for any of those parties. The real shame about the whole electoral system is that you cannot mix and match policies from all parties.

Trouble is if you did that then everybody would be getting money from the state and nobody pays any taxes. Full speed to an economic crash.

Damien 08-04-2015 14:36

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35770389)
Did a poll to find who I should be voting for. UKIP first, Labour second and Liberals third. I'd rather abstain than vote for any of those parties. The real shame about the whole electoral system is that you cannot mix and match policies from all parties.

It's almost as if you have to share a country with 65 million other people and as such a degree of compromise and pragmatism is involved. You're not ordering a pizza. You can't always get what you want.

richard s 08-04-2015 14:40

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If the Tory's were in power during 2nd Gulf war, would they not have done the same as Tony Blairs decision/or lies. Would not the Tory's have bottom kissed George Bush. The think the outcome would have been the same. Still it got rid of a Tyrant who probably would have gone onto WMD aquisition.

Though the situation in Iraq is worse by ISIL war crimes.

ianch99 08-04-2015 14:56

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35770388)
I believe they do on income earned in THIS country. The Labour plan is to try and tax income earned in other countries as well

http://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/news/dun...e-in-business/

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Although non-doms are not required to pay tax on earnings made outside the UK, that’s not the end of it. They can also reduce the tax on their UK earnings, and here’s how it can happen.

A non-dom simply needs to say that his or her UK company is managed by a board of directors outside the UK and then make a charge to the company for “management services”. This reduces the pre-tax profit of the company and so reduces its corporation tax bill.

The money transferred offshore for “management services” is tax free and can be used to fund the non-dom lifestyle abroad – the yachts, planes and mansions.


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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35770393)
If the Tory's were in power during 2nd Gulf war, would they not have done the same as Tony Blairs decision/or lies. Would not the Tory's have bottom kissed George Bush. The think the outcome would have been the same. Still it got rid of a Tyrant who probably would have gone onto WMD aquisition.

Though the situation in Iraq is worse by ISIL war crimes.

Yes they would have ... look how the Blessed Margaret looked up to Reagan:

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Thatcher summed up her understanding of the special relationship at her first meeting with Reagan as president in 1981: ‘Your problems will be our problems and when you look for friends we shall be there

nashville 08-04-2015 15:38

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Great pictures

denphone 09-04-2015 09:52

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Nigel Farage suffers further poll woe as survey finds Ukip voters love Brussels sprouts.:D

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10164390.html

Hugh 09-04-2015 11:47

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After the Non-Doms, some other ideas how Labour can collect more tax (some of them I would support).

http://labourlist.org/2015/04/after-...ce-in-britain/

This one may affect quite a few people, though.....
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Improve transparency

One of the easiest ways to tackle corruption within the tax system is to improve transparency, especially in the cases of tax havens and secrecy jurisdictions.

From 2016, UK banks will have to share information on all foreign-owned companies to which they supply services, but there is currently no obligation upon them to share this data with HMRC. In future, every UK bank should be required to collect and share this information on UK company directors with both HMRC and Companies House so that it can be used to ensure tax is paid.

There is also a need to better regulate the digital economy to make sure that large companies, such as Amazon, but also smaller companies and individual traders, pay the right amount of tax in the UK. Organisations such as Paypal, eBay, Visa and Mastercard should be obliged to supply information to HMRC on any person or company that has a trading account.

heero_yuy 09-04-2015 11:50

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A least my £millions stashed away in bitcoins are beyond their reach. :D

Damien 09-04-2015 12:30

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35770539)
After the Non-Doms, some other ideas how Labour can collect more tax (some of them I would support).

http://labourlist.org/2015/04/after-...ce-in-britain/

This one may affect quite a few people, though.....

Seems fair enough doesn't it? Isn't there a certain allowance of income via things like eBay and so on before it's taxable?

MalteseFalcon 09-04-2015 13:33

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Latest cartoon from Times:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multim...09_885005c.jpg

tweetiepooh 09-04-2015 13:45

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Was thinking last night about the sort of MP I would want.

1)Would broadly agree with my general outlook and wouldn't stand for policies that would directly penalise my life choices (try to be fairly neutral in wording)
2)Doesn't stand for a party that I can't support
3)Would stand up for their principles even when the party or even the country disagrees but can possibly be convinced otherwise
4)Would stand up for their constituency even against their party.
5)Would remember that they are elected to serve.
6)Would promote what they do stand for not just oppose what "the others" do.

Just a few, these sound so much better in my own head.

richard s 09-04-2015 14:19

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Just what you would expect from the Tory Times.


But Mr Bean has a new job as Chancellor:

Hugh 09-04-2015 14:24

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35770545)
Seems fair enough doesn't it? Isn't there a certain allowance of income via things like eBay and so on before it's taxable?

I would imagine it will be taken into consideration with anyone's earnings, and taxed accordingly - not sure if there is an exemption amount....

techguyone 09-04-2015 14:29

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Bit of a grey area, I know for some time now people making money on E bay or 'micro payments' on Pay pal would only escape notice for so long, it takes them a while, but eventually the Govt gets wise to these things.

Damien 09-04-2015 15:17

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35770572)
I would imagine it will be taken into consideration with anyone's earnings, and taxed accordingly - not sure if there is an exemption amount....

I think it qualifies as capital gains and, again I think, that you have a personal allowance equivalent to the income tax personal allowance before tax is applied.

People won't be filling tax returns on old stuff they sold off on eBay. I imagine the law would be looking at people doing full time trading via these services. That said if you're selling at a loss then it's not capital gains at all.

Arthurgray50@blu 09-04-2015 16:51

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I will join in on this bit. Many members may forget that several months ago, many Tv stars and so called comics were stung by a company that put there money into oversea's companies to avoid paying large amounts of tax.

Well this new idea by Labour will put money back into the UK.

I work, pay taxes and therefore so should other people. wether they have 3 beds or 12 beds. They should pay what we are paying.

If you are a multi millionaire then you should pay more tax. Its like that so called singer Glass, saying that she wont pay the Mansion Tax - WHY, if she lives in a five or six bed mansion then why wont she pay the Mansion Tax. Its ok for the Tories to make us pay the Bedroom Tax as we have a 'spare room' then why shouldn't millionairse pay the Mansion Tax.

There is a house near me in Twickenham - it has recently sold for FIVE MILLION quid, and has FIVE bedrooms.

The person who bought this, probably earns more in a minute, then we do in a week

Hugh 09-04-2015 16:56

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Arthur, you do realise the evil Tories (always on the side of the rich) raised Stamp Duty on that type of house from 7% to 12% (and it was 5% under Labour), don't you?

So the Stamp Duty on the £5,000,000 house is £513,750, rather than the approx. £250,000 under the previous Labour administration - doesn't seem to support your premise....

Damien 09-04-2015 18:04

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It's starting to slip away from the Tories. Several polls today all showing the same movement:

Survation:

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LAB 35% (+2)
CON 31% (-1)
UKIP 15% (-3)
LD 9% (NC)
SNP 4% (NC)
GRE 4% (+2)
TNS:

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LAB 33% (+1)
CON 30% (-3)
LD 8% (0)
UKIP 19% (+3)
GREEN 4% (-1)
Panelbase:

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LAB 37% (+4%)
CON 31% (-2%)
UKIP 16% (-1%)
LD 8% (+1%)
GRN 4% (-1%
http://politicalbetting.com

If this goes into the Election then Labour would be close to a Majority even with their problems in Scotland. Certainly enough to do a coalition with the Liberal Democrats and more than enough with the SNP.

The Conservatives need to do something to change the momentum. They're more high rated on the economy and yet their still losing. Miliband is catching up in the personal ratings on Cameron, the debates are helping him, but the Tories should still be clear ahead.

Their hope seems to be that people will turn off Miliband at the last moment and UKIP's vote will collapse in favour of the Tories but the former is going to be unlikely if Miliband's personal ratings keep improving.

denphone 09-04-2015 18:18

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The Tories need to do less of the negative personal campaigning and more of why should people vote for them because at the moment their campaign is faltering quite a bit.

Hom3r 09-04-2015 18:25

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I've already had enough to the point I don't know if I can be arsed to vote.

The idiot torys still blaming Labour 5 years later.

The bimbo in charge of the SNP who still wants to break the union despite most Scots not wanting to.

Ignitionnet 09-04-2015 18:34

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35770613)
The Tories need to do less of the negative personal campaigning and more of why should people vote for them because at the moment their campaign is faltering quite a bit.

They are rather lacking in positive reasons to vote for them beyond some vague promise of tax cuts and the promise to cut the welfare bill while not touching the biggest recipients of the welfare state, ensuring all the pain falls on a smaller group.

Arthurgray50@blu 09-04-2015 18:36

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It has now started to be a slanging match between Labour and The Tories.

Instead of Cameron and co doing an election campaign with the big boys, instead they are slagging off a man, who won the vote over his brother.

We have Osborne saying what Labour done damage when they were in power. He forges that every Tory government that has been in power, has ripped this country to bits, and it has cost money, to put things back on the trail for recover.

Look at Thatcher, she tore everything up, and gave it to the rich. And demolished the most talg about thing - the NHS. and education etc etc.

Cameron has done exactly the same. Soon as they got into power. They caused riots with students - putting up fee's so that students would be out priced and in debt.

Then Universal Credit, Bedroom Tax etc etc.

IF Cameron had axed the Bedroom Tax, they may have had a chance. But then they don't care - do they


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