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MagicUK 09-04-2015 22:22
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
if you was a betting man could that be the new xxl tier? 16mb with no stm ha

Kushan 09-04-2015 22:32
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicUK (Post 35770656)
if you was a betting man could that be the new xxl tier? 16mb with no stm ha
I don't think STM on the upload side is going anywhere any time soon. I can dream, though. Then again, stranger things have happened.

jb66 09-04-2015 22:36
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Coming soon.... lol

mmm 10-04-2015 02:28
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
I feel so sorry for those that haven't yet had the speed double from 50/3 to 100/6, or are suffering from over subscription - when it works it works well, but I worry what will happen when the students come back to uni...

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/04/29.png

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/267690

Parlyboy 10-04-2015 06:49
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Just out of curiosity I just did my own test.....erm....didn't expect that! Done at 5:45am in Bo'ness near Edinburgh. Thought you guys might be interested.

I'm away tonight but I'll test again tomorrow to see if it's permanent.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/04/27.png

http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4278537662

EDIT: Damn, why did the pic not show? Anyway D/L is showing 307.48

Kushan 10-04-2015 09:20
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parlyboy (Post 35770709)
Just out of curiosity I just did my own test.....erm....didn't expect that! Done at 5:45am in Bo'ness near Edinburgh. Thought you guys might be interested.

I'm away tonight but I'll test again tomorrow to see if it's permanent.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/04/27.png

http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4278537662

EDIT: Damn, why did the pic not show? Anyway D/L is showing 307.48
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/04/28.png

I'd be interested in seeing your modem stats, particularly operational configuration.

MagicUK 10-04-2015 10:15
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
How long till this is rolled out nationally or is it sekect people only at 5 in the morning? As your stats gone back to 156 now?

Parlyboy 10-04-2015 12:41
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicUK (Post 35770724)
How long till this is rolled out nationally or is it sekect people only at 5 in the morning? As your stats gone back to 156 now?
Dunno, I'm at work now and won't be home again until tomorrow pm. I did a quick couple of downloads from Astraweb and it was peaking out at 19Mb which is a lot less than I'd expect from a 300Mb connection. Normally max out at about 17.5.

I'll check again tomorrow just thought some of you might be curious about this.

Media Boy UK 10-04-2015 12:52
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Been told another free speed increase planned before 2016.

---------- Post added at 11:52 ---------- Previous post was at 11:49 ----------

That all I was told.

Kushan 10-04-2015 12:56
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Free space?

jb66 10-04-2015 14:00
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
I used to get those speed test results when running avast

JPAC 10-04-2015 14:45
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35770753)
Been told another free speed increase planned before 2016.
That all I was told.
For some maybe.

General Maximus 10-04-2015 15:29
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
As no announcement has been made i am assuming all the 200mbit and 300mbit configs we are seeing are part of limited trials. The 19mbit comment above is interesting because i can get 18MB/sec downloading torrents so you would expect ~36MB/sec if you was on 300mbits. Maybe that is what they are trialling atm; what throughput is realistically achievable.

Ignitionnet 10-04-2015 15:33
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35770786)
As no announcement has been made i am assuming all the 200mbit and 300mbit configs we are seeing are part of limited trials.
In some nodal areas the uplift has been provided earlier to test load on the network, see how things go.

---------- Post added at 14:33 ---------- Previous post was at 14:30 ----------

Bleh, I suppose now that it's hit the news and people are worried about contention I should write a blog post about all of this.

I'll try and get it done before the end of the weekend, however it'll probably be very long and an involved piece of work as I'll cover not just the uplifts but network evolution to support the higher speeds.

If someone could PM me tomorrow morning when my hangover is still in full effect to remind me to get on with it that'd be appreciated.

Ditto Sunday when it'll be even worse as huge party.

Kushan 10-04-2015 15:41
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
I'm worried about contention as my area suffers from it in the evenings as it is :(

General Maximus 10-04-2015 15:45
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
I would like to read it because there is a big different going from 30 to 60 and 50 to 100 than 100 to 200 and 150 to 300. You are going from 10s of megabits per customer to 100+ per customer and cumulatively that must come out at hundreds of gigabits additional capacity needed per area or even several terabits.

Ignitionnet 10-04-2015 15:58
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Nah it's nowhere near that heavy to be honest. Customers don't start using twice as much data because they have twice the headline speed. They tend to do the same things more quickly for the most part.

The sizing of the network is to ensure that bursts of activity can't overwhelm nodes rather than build them for sustained usage by a bunch of customers.

The entire VM network isn't pushing 'several' terabits so it's not quite at that scale. Individual groups of CMTS even at major hubsites aren't pushing multiple terabits. Some of the very largest may be tickling a terabit in total capacity but certainly not multiples of them.

Kabaal 10-04-2015 16:23
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35770786)
The 19mbit comment above is interesting because i can get 18MB/sec downloading torrents so you would expect ~36MB/sec if you was on 300mbits. Maybe that is what they are trialling atm; what throughput is realistically achievable.
On 152mb i get 19.5 ish with segmented downloads straight from a leaseweb server. I can only guess that the 'astraweb' he tested on just isn't giving enough.

Ignitionnet 10-04-2015 20:14
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35770786)
Maybe that is what they are trialling atm; what throughput is realistically achievable.
Not really. Trialling the impact of the speeds on network load.

As a general rule using performance downloading from purveyors of dodgy content doesn't enter into the decision making processes. It could be done without trialling with the public in any event.

Sephiroth 10-04-2015 20:41
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
There's a hairs breadth between what Igni has said and what mon General has opined. AT least that will be so in the General's eyes.

japitts 10-04-2015 23:07
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35770790)
I'm worried about contention as my area suffers from it in the evenings as it is :(
It certainly makes me curious - I've had congestion issues at peak times since a few months now, and from reading between a few lines, I wouldn't be surprised if the "fix" and the "speed uplift works" are one and the same thing.

Ignitionnet 10-04-2015 23:32
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35770843)
There's a hairs breadth between what Igni has said and what mon General has opined. AT least that will be so in the General's eyes.
Perhaps that may be the perception, but not the reality. It seemed to me that the General was referring to testing to ascertain throughput via certain applications which is definitely not VM's problem.

Performance in general use could only be ascertained on network segments fully upgraded to uplift specifications, using CPE of uplift specifications, so entirely futile to run such tests on network not fully upgraded and using the current 8x4 Superhub.

They are testing how much network load increases when the higher speeds are provided. There is a rule of thumb over such things however the UK's usage increases seem to break the trend among the Liberty family.

Find a stereotypical customer base segment averaging 50% utilisation, uplift it, if it goes to 70% you can reasonably assume that this pattern will, on the whole be replicated elsewhere and you need to add 40% additional capacity to maintain the current quality of service in addition to standard BAU upgrades.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by japitts (Post 35770860)
It certainly makes me curious - I've had congestion issues at peak times since a few months now, and from reading between a few lines, I wouldn't be surprised if the "fix" and the "speed uplift works" are one and the same thing.
The same changes as allow for the speed upgrades fix congestion, yes.

Generally when doing work to relieve congestion when an uplift is planned both would be done at the same time for efficiency reasons.

For example where the original plan would've been to double capacity to relieve congestion it would instead be quadrupled to supply uplift capacity simultaneously.

If you are in an area that requires extensive work to relieve congestion the two would be separate - the network rebuilds to relieve congestion would be part of business as usual network upgrade and would be followed by additional capacity to support the uplift.

Dush 11-04-2015 10:14
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Cannot wait to get this - I'll have 378mbit with the FTTC line running simultaneously. 47.25 MB/sec.

Ignitionnet 11-04-2015 15:28
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35770788)
If someone could PM me tomorrow morning when my hangover is still in full effect to remind me to get on with it that'd be appreciated.

No-one did so doing nothing on it today and enjoying hair of the dog instead.

:beer:

---------- Post added at 14:28 ---------- Previous post was at 14:27 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dush (Post 35770889)
Cannot wait to get this - I'll have 378mbit with the FTTC line running simultaneously. 47.25 MB/sec.
Check that whatever you're using to bond will be cool with that level of throughput.

Then tell me what it is so that, if they build cable here, I can do the same thing ;)

Parlyboy 11-04-2015 17:39
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmm (Post 35770490)
Thank-you VM, New config received this morning

Code:
Primary Downstream Service Flow
SFID        47006
Max Traffic Rate        225280000 bps
Max Traffic Burst        10000 bytes
Min Traffic Rate        0 bps
Primary Upstream Service Flow
SFID        47005
Max Traffic Rate        12902400 bps
Max Traffic Burst        16320 bytes
Min Traffic Rate        0 bps
Max Concatenated Burst        16320 bps
Scheduling Type        BestEffort
From wireless laptop via my own routers:-

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/04/25.png
Can someone tell me how I check for these results on my SHUB? Thanx

General Maximus 11-04-2015 18:52
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Click this link and scroll down to the fifth post (mine) so you can see what you are looking for. If you are using the shub in router mode (which I am sure you will be) go to http://192.168.0.1 (you can click that) it will take you to the router login page which is the first pic on that link I gave you and you are looking for the Operation Config tab.

qasdfdsaq 11-04-2015 20:05
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35770941)
Check that whatever you're using to bond will be cool with that level of throughput.

Then tell me what it is so that, if they build cable here, I can do the same thing ;)
A PC?

mmm 12-04-2015 00:24
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35770987)
Click this link and scroll down to the fifth post (mine) so you can see what you are looking for. If you are using the shub in router mode (which I am sure you will be) go to http://192.168.0.1 (you can click that) it will take you to the router login page which is the first pic on that link I gave you and you are looking for the Operation Config tab.
The main thing that usually confuses is that you must NOT be logged in to the modem to get to those screens

personally I have a browser favourite for

http://ntl250.lan/VmRouterStatus_configuration.asp

In modem mode my router knows that is on 192.168.100.1, yes I should change the name - at least its not still TJ210 for which we had to use Robin Walker's scripts to interrogate.

Dush 12-04-2015 05:20
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:

Check that whatever you're using to bond will be cool with that level of throughput.

Then tell me what it is so that, if they build cable here, I can do the same thing ;)
It's a cisco rv042g, goes up to 600Mbps WAN-LAN throughput : http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwa...viewed?start=1

dragon 12-04-2015 08:47
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dush (Post 35770889)
Cannot wait to get this - I'll have 378mbit with the FTTC line running simultaneously. 47.25 MB/sec.
Load-Balanced, "Bonded" or Just used individually?.

I'm currently using an LRT224 to balance which works on threaded transfers but some sites/applications hate the sudden IP change.

I did think of "bonding" mine but it would require a lot of Resources to pull off, I've done it before on slow DSL lines and it worked reasonably well but it tends to be CPU intensive on faster connections, prob need X86 boxes at each end.

Then of course there's the bandwidth requirements at the end doing the bonding, It would be doing ~378Mbit/s in + 378Mbit/s out (excluding overheads) depending on how the bandwidth is billed and how much your provider charges for bandwidth usage that could hurt.

General Maximus 12-04-2015 09:39
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmm (Post 35771026)
The main thing that usually confuses is that you must NOT be logged in to the modem to get to those screens
and nowhere have I said that you needed to log into the router. My instructions clearly indicate that you need to go to the router's ip and click on router status. It isn't ambiguous because 3 other forum users have followed those instructions recently and had no issues at all.

Sephiroth 12-04-2015 10:01
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragon (Post 35771043)
Load-Balanced, "Bonded" or Just used individually?.

I'm currently using an LRT224 to balance which works on threaded transfers but some sites/applications hate the sudden IP change.

I did think of "bonding" mine but it would require a lot of Resources to pull off, I've done it before on slow DSL lines and it worked reasonably well but it tends to be CPU intensive on faster connections, prob need X86 boxes at each end.

Then of course there's the bandwidth requirements at the end doing the bonding, It would be doing ~378Mbit/s in + 378Mbit/s out (excluding overheads) depending on how the bandwidth is billed and how much your provider charges for bandwidth usage that could hurt.
I'm currently running my ASUS RT-AC68U in Dual WAN mode with two incoming ISP circuits. The router doesn't bond (bonding routers are damn expensive).

Later today I'll set rules as to which of my two wired computers associates with which ISP circuit. Then we'll see if the two simultaneous speed tests show max for each circuit.

Dush 12-04-2015 10:31
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragon (Post 35771043)
Load-Balanced, "Bonded" or Just used individually?.

I'm currently using an LRT224 to balance which works on threaded transfers but some sites/applications hate the sudden IP change.

I did think of "bonding" mine but it would require a lot of Resources to pull off, I've done it before on slow DSL lines and it worked reasonably well but it tends to be CPU intensive on faster connections, prob need X86 boxes at each end.

Then of course there's the bandwidth requirements at the end doing the bonding, It would be doing ~378Mbit/s in + 378Mbit/s out (excluding overheads) depending on how the bandwidth is billed and how much your provider charges for bandwidth usage that could hurt.
I don't bond - it's load balanced. The only application I use that will utilise full bandwidth is Usenet - there's 30-40 connections that go across both connections to get the full speed. So a single download goes at full speed.

Hom3r 12-04-2015 11:46
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
I wont pester VM to get 200meg soon.

This is via wifi :D

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/04/23.png

mmm 12-04-2015 13:05
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35771046)
and nowhere have I said that you needed to log into the router. My instructions clearly indicate that you need to go to the router's ip and click on router status. It isn't ambiguous because 3 other forum users have followed those instructions recently and had no issues at all.
Sorry, didn't mean your instructions are wrong - but this confused me when first saw a SHUB1, the cable status screens are not available when logged in! After logging in once and rummaging around then subsequently let browser auto login you can't find the screens!

@Hom3r - are you also on trial 200 config, it is difficult to get faster with wireless, despite what marketing hype about wireless speeds say!

Gavin78 12-04-2015 15:06
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
I don't see the rush in getting to 200+ speeds at the min nothing actually needs it

roughbeast 12-04-2015 15:20
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmm (Post 35771070)
@Hom3r - are you also on trial 200 config, it is difficult to get faster with wireless, despite what marketing hype about wireless speeds say!
I am not on a 200Mb trial, yet I get 160Mb/12.4Mb on WiFi. Admittedly that is in the same room as my Asus N66U.

BTW is anyone in Coventry on a 200Mb trial config?

mmm 12-04-2015 18:44
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
I have a feeling this 'trial' is spreading do follow this advice to check your config

Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35770987)
Click this link and scroll down to the fifth post (mine) so you can see what you are looking for. If you are using the shub in router mode (which I am sure you will be) go to http://192.168.0.1 (you can click that) it will take you to the router login page which is the first pic on that link I gave you and you are looking for the Operation Config tab.
Many wifi users, or those with their own older routers, or 100Meg wiring/ switches will not notice....

arcimedes 13-04-2015 08:53
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
I am a trifle confused as I just did a speedtest and got the result given below.
Looking a the modem configuration shows

Primary Downstream Service Flow SFID 73056
Max Traffic Rate 337920000 bps
Max Traffic Burst 10000 bytes
Min Traffic Rate 0 bps
Primary Upstream Service Flow SFID 73055
Max Traffic Rate 16128000 bps
Max Traffic Burst 16320 bytes
Min Traffic Rate 0 bps
Max Concatenated Burst 16320 bytes
Scheduling Type Best Effort


http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4285367251

Sephiroth 13-04-2015 09:08
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
You are blessed with being a trial user of 300/15. They'll take it away in due course - it's just a trial to see how your area stands up to these sort of speeds.

The Max Traffic rate shows the 300/15 + 10%.

Is that all clear for you?

arcimedes 13-04-2015 09:18
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
It makes sense as they still haven't changed the number of my upstream channels to be more than one but I've given up on that one until something goes wrong.

Sephiroth 13-04-2015 09:30
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by arcimedes (Post 35771216)
It makes sense as they still haven't changed the number of my upstream channels to be more than one but I've given up on that one until something goes wrong.
Why on earth would they want to be stressing non-upgraded areas?

To me that's almost incomprehensible!

Igni will no doubt be onto this shortly.

Media Boy UK 13-04-2015 12:12
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JPAC (Post 35770781)
For some maybe.
For all.

Ignitionnet 13-04-2015 17:02
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35771217)
Why on earth would they want to be stressing non-upgraded areas?

To me that's almost incomprehensible!

Igni will no doubt be onto this shortly.
There are no single upstream areas, must be an issue there.

I'll let VM know - this will both potentially cause issues in the area and skew results.

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Okay - you definitely shouldn't be on a single upstream channel. That is not acceptable and is not the correct architecture, it's a fault that should be fixed.

Sephiroth 13-04-2015 17:47
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35771288)
There are no single upstream areas, must be an issue there.

I'll let VM know - this will both potentially cause issues in the area and skew results.

---------- Post added at 16:02 ---------- Previous post was at 14:49 ----------

Okay - you definitely shouldn't be on a single upstream channel. That is not acceptable and is not the correct architecture, it's a fault that should be fixed.
Pleased Igni could be of service!

JPAC 14-04-2015 10:10
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35771248)
For all.
So everyone will have their speed doubled by the end of the year?

MagicUK 14-04-2015 10:58
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
hows that essay coming along Ignitionnet?

Ignitionnet 14-04-2015 11:30
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Delayed by a 2 day hangover and a busy return to the day job.

dragon 14-04-2015 13:00
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35771050)
I'm currently running my ASUS RT-AC68U in Dual WAN mode with two incoming ISP circuits. The router doesn't bond (bonding routers are damn expensive).

Later today I'll set rules as to which of my two wired computers associates with which ISP circuit. Then we'll see if the two simultaneous speed tests show max for each circuit.
If you wanted to bond at those speeds I believe it's possible using off the shelf X86 hardware and something like Vyos or RouterOS, that said the required config often is rather complicated particularly if it's unbalanced lines and you need to skew the ratios to take that into account.

Media Boy UK 14-04-2015 13:01
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JPAC (Post 35771456)
So everyone will have their speed doubled by the end of the year?
Watch this space.

crazyronnie 14-04-2015 13:13
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragon (Post 35771495)
If you wanted to bond at those speeds I believe it's possible using off the shelf X86 hardware and something like Vyos or RouterOS, that said the required config often is rather complicated particularly if it's unbalanced lines and you need to skew the ratios to take that into account.
PFsense will also bond 2 wan connections

Ignitionnet 14-04-2015 14:18
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JPAC (Post 35771456)
So everyone will have their speed doubled by the end of the year?
I wouldn't imagine everyone will be done in one hit.

qasdfdsaq 14-04-2015 15:38
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragon (Post 35771495)
If you wanted to bond at those speeds I believe it's possible using off the shelf X86 hardware and something like Vyos or RouterOS, that said the required config often is rather complicated particularly if it's unbalanced lines and you need to skew the ratios to take that into account.
pfSense does it too, and of course if you're a simpleton you can run dd-wrt or Openwrt with their 1-click bonding GUI on x86 as well. If you're a complex-ton, like a masochistic challenge, or just have a lot of manpower and expertise to show off, you can run a custom distribution of RHEL on a cluster of rack servers with an LCFG automated configuration backend for your routing infrastructure...

Any old consumer router will support wire-speed forwarding with VLANs so a cheap old spare laptop somewhere will do the trick. Some laptops can provide a wireless AP as well all while using less power than the Superhub!

TBH unbalanced bonding is easy. You specify the upstream and downstream rates on each connection and you're done. What's complicated is dynamically dealing with VM's STM modifying your upstream rate and having something at the other end to terminate your aggregated link.

I suspect you may actually mean load-balancing/failover, which is indeed awkward to balance when you have unbalanced lines, latencies, and routes.

Ignitionnet 14-04-2015 15:59
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Reading that post reminds me why I just clicked a couple of times on Amazon and got an SME bit of kit to do it for me.

qasdfdsaq 14-04-2015 17:32
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
So what you're saying is, you'd rather throw money someone else to do it for you? :-P

(Welcome to my entire philosophy on life...)

Totally understandable though. I've gone off pfSense myself, while it's fairly easy to set up LAGG once it's installed getting it installed to begin with was way too much un-needed complexity. Also didn't need the 2x2Ghz performance on a 10Mbps line. Openwrt, on the other hand, isn't really intended for end users but a lot of router manufacturers supply their routers with skinned interfaces built on it.

adzii_nufc 14-04-2015 17:58
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
So without having to skim through the entire thread on a mobile, are we getting any increases? The current gen of gaming is pushing games at sizes of 50gb plus. The demand for a higher speed is there.

Edit. apparently so given Media Boy's answer.

General Maximus 14-04-2015 19:11
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
like I have said before. the announcement will be made this year (probably June) but with only a handful of areas enabled. There will be a rollout schedule like before and it will last the best part of two years plus the usual delays so don't start getting excited. Because my area is usually towards the end I was cheeky last time round and rang up right at the start and for a requested re-tier. I have never rang up for any discounts or anything before and they were more than happy to do it for me. I got through to India first who told me she couldn't do the upgrade and offered me a discount and when I refused I got put through to an English person who sent me a shub2 and pushed through the new config. The bummer is that I think they have cottoned on what people are doing and don't upgrade in advance anymore.

Ignitionnet 14-04-2015 23:33
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicUK (Post 35771462)
hows that essay coming along Ignitionnet?
It's proving to be a considerably more involved a piece of work than I wanted it to be.

1,283 words and barely started.

---------- Post added at 22:33 ---------- Previous post was at 22:32 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35771623)
like I have said before. the announcement will be made this year (probably June) but with only a handful of areas enabled.
:no: :)

roughbeast 15-04-2015 09:51
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35771623)
like I have said before. the announcement will be made this year (probably June) but with only a handful of areas enabled.
Would I be right in assuming that those areas being tested now are the most likely to be permanently set up first? I only say this because I have this mental picture of small teams of techies moving around the country making the necessary changes area by area. I would guess that the necessary changes have already been made in the test areas.

Sephiroth 15-04-2015 10:21
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Igni will know the answer to Roughie's question.

But my instinct is that VM are scoping just what they do need to do across the country by taking a sample of different infrastructures and tease out what needs to be done, so making a template for respective areas.

Ignitionnet 15-04-2015 16:05
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by roughbeast (Post 35771691)
Would I be right in assuming that those areas being tested now are the most likely to be permanently set up first?
You would not.

Sephiroth 15-04-2015 17:45
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35771783)
You would not.
Was I right, then?

Pierre 15-04-2015 19:39
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Somebody mentioned to me.

100Mb
200Mb
300Mb

all in Capped/uncapped flavours.

Also on the way is SH3 and a new Tivo

Kushan 15-04-2015 19:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35771841)
Somebody mentioned to me.

100Mb
200Mb
300Mb

all in Capped/uncapped flavours.

Also on the way is SH3 and a new Tivo
So what, there's going to be 6 tiers? And by cap, do you mean hard usage limits or STM?


I've heard about the new Tivo. I hear it's going to be a bit of a downgrade from other TiVo's.

General Maximus 15-04-2015 20:25
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I doubt it, we all suggested that years ago when they introduced stm on 50mbit (top tier at the time) and everyone who worked for VM said it was not feasible and people wouldn't pay for it bla bla bla. If think there is enough demand for it and customer would pay for a truly unlimited service then that shows customers want it and VM should make it the norm/standard and scrap stm altogether.

What I can see them doing though (and what they do in the USA which ties in with VM's parent company) is having monthly usage allowances. 100mbit will be the new lowest tier which they can advertise as being faster than BT et al and it will be £10/month with a 30gb data allowance.

Sephiroth 15-04-2015 20:43
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35771846)
So what, there's going to be 6 tiers? And by cap, do you mean hard usage limits or STM?


I've heard about the new Tivo. I hear it's going to be a bit of a downgrade from other TiVo's.
What does that mean, Kush? What have you heard about this "downgrade"?

Kushan 15-04-2015 21:03
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Mostly that they're doing away with the dedicated modem in favour of Wireless.

Ignitionnet 15-04-2015 21:05
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35771854)
I doubt it, we all suggested that years ago when they introduced stm on 50mbit (top tier at the time) and everyone who worked for VM said it was not feasible and people wouldn't pay for it bla bla bla. If think there is enough demand for it and customer would pay for a truly unlimited service then that shows customers want it and VM should make it the norm/standard and scrap stm altogether.

What I can see them doing though (and what they do in the USA which ties in with VM's parent company) is having monthly usage allowances. 100mbit will be the new lowest tier which they can advertise as being faster than BT et al and it will be £10/month with a 30gb data allowance.
General, bandwidth became cheaper, customers still didn't want to pay more ;)

Regarding VM's parent, they are of US heritage but have no operations in the US cable market. I suspect http://www.upc.ie and the rest of the family are a better place to look for comparisons :)

MagicUK 16-04-2015 01:01
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
looking at ups offering its 10% upload on 240mb down. so 24up, would the 330 package offer faster upload that the 16mb thats been quoted/seen in the wild?

Kushan 16-04-2015 01:11
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Until anything has been announced, people are just going to be guessing. However, the best guess at the moment is that it's going to be 300/16, not 330/16 and not 330/30 or anything like that.

At least for now.

qasdfdsaq 19-04-2015 18:54
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
My connection is 666Mbps

pip08456 19-04-2015 19:39
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35772517)
My connection is 666Mbps
The sign of the beast.

Why am I not surprised. :D:D:D:D:D

Kushan 19-04-2015 20:03
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
It suits him!

Ignitionnet 19-04-2015 21:14
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35771895)
Until anything has been announced, people are just going to be guessing. However, the best guess at the moment is that it's going to be 300/16, not 330/16 and not 330/30 or anything like that.

At least for now.
What it's advertised as and what it'll be capped at are different. VM will add 10% on in both directions.

Keeping that in mind you're 1/3rd right with 300/16 as far as advertising goes.

telfordcable 21-04-2015 02:16
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
400/40 with BT FTTC G.Fast soon in 2017

linwelin 21-04-2015 04:18
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
I think virgin is going to lose the fastest broadband badge soon, if any of this is to be believed of course. http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...band-2020.html

pip08456 21-04-2015 05:37
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by linwelin (Post 35772816)
I think virgin is going to lose the fastest broadband badge soon, if any of this is to be believed of course. http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...band-2020.html
Late 2016 at the earliest.

General Maximus 21-04-2015 08:33
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
sweet, it can only be a good thing and make VM pull their finger out and get docsis 3.1 going

Martin_D 21-04-2015 09:00
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
There is still no certified DOCSIS 3.1 hardware yet, We are looking at late 2016 before virgin begins the roll out

Liberty Global is preparing trials of DOCSIS 3.1 technology across Europe later this year. This technology could extend Liberty Global’s speed leadership to up to 10Gb when it is fully deployed in the future.

Sephiroth 21-04-2015 09:09
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35772826)
sweet, it can only be a good thing and make VM pull their finger out and get docsis 3.1 going
As I understand it, VM are steadily moving to DOCSIS 3.1 readiness at the CMTS level, with said servers supporting DOCSIS 3.0 and 3.1 simultaneously. Again AFAIK, the BSRs are being replaced by Arris CMTSs.

A new modem (Arris perhaps?) will be required as has already been mentioned and it seems to me that the upcoming 300/15 tier will be supplied in this way. The trick then would be to make the DOCSIS 3.1 introduction as seamless as was the move from DOCSIS 1.1 to DOCSIS 3.0.

Interesting times ahead.

Martin_D 21-04-2015 09:56
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35765706)
Doesn't mean that the top tier will start of with 16 DS. You know how VM do it - 4 then 6 then 8; so maybe 12 DS first. According to my information it will be a gateway. Are they so dumb as not to have a modem mode?

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Or it may be a non-VM branded product. I've no hard information on that though.
DOCSIS 3.0 AC1900 Voice and Data Cable Gateway, C7000B

http://www.wi-fi.org/product-finder-..._to=2015-04-21

Sephiroth 21-04-2015 10:10
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Dee 11 (Post 35772838)
DOCSIS 3.0 AC1900 Voice and Data Cable Gateway, C7000B

http://www.wi-fi.org/product-finder-..._to=2015-04-21
Definitive for VM or suggested?

Martin_D 21-04-2015 10:34
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35772841)
Definitive for VM or suggested?
No it's just a suggestion sorry, But it just looks like they have drop the name VMDGxxx

Pierre 21-04-2015 10:40
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
http://www.fibre-systems.com/feature/cable-conundrum

Ignitionnet 21-04-2015 11:25
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by linwelin (Post 35772816)
I think virgin is going to lose the fastest broadband badge soon, if any of this is to be believed of course. http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...band-2020.html
The 1000Mb isn't G.fast, and the G.fast deployment will start at 'hundreds' of Mb ramping up to 500Mb within 10 years.

VM can be 600Mb capable by 2016/2017 if the commercial need is there.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35772826)
sweet, it can only be a good thing and make VM pull their finger out and get docsis 3.1 going
VM still don't need DOCSIS 3.1 and the kit still isn't available. Early trials starting at the back end of this year with early commercial deployments among some cable companies starting next year.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Dee 11 (Post 35772838)
DOCSIS 3.0 AC1900 Voice and Data Cable Gateway, C7000B

http://www.wi-fi.org/product-finder-..._to=2015-04-21
As I understand it there are multiple vendors being considered for the equipment. It's far from impossible VM will use the same kit as the rest of the LGI family.

Kushan 21-04-2015 11:29
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
I thought that the rollout plan for 3.1 was to start at the CPE level and work backwards?

Ignitionnet 21-04-2015 12:04
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35772854)
I thought that the rollout plan for 3.1 was to start at the CPE level and work backwards?
There are no DOCSIS 3.1 CPE available and this was never the plan. Moving to CCAP gives an element of DOCSIS 3.1 readiness.

http://www.cisco.com/web/solutions/s..._ccap_2013.pdf
http://www.arriseverywhere.com/wp-co...DOCSIS-3.1.pdf

Kushan 21-04-2015 19:22
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35772856)
There are no DOCSIS 3.1 CPE available and this was never the plan. Moving to CCAP gives an element of DOCSIS 3.1 readiness.

http://www.cisco.com/web/solutions/s..._ccap_2013.pdf
http://www.arriseverywhere.com/wp-co...DOCSIS-3.1.pdf
I don't disagree, I can only go by some PDF someone posted way last year about the rollout plans. Come to think of it, that might have been a Comcast PDF or something.

Foo Fighter 21-04-2015 19:22
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/04/12.png

Its coming :O

From a survey this morning but sadly lots of mentions/hint about bandwidth limits?

telfordcable 21-04-2015 19:54
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^^ yeah rite! Rubbish!

Hugh 21-04-2015 20:13
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^^ yeah rite! Rubbish!

Ignitionnet 21-04-2015 21:20
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Foo Fighter (Post 35772953)
Its coming :O

From a survey this morning but sadly lots of mentions/hint about bandwidth limits?
Extremely likely that there will be both unlimited and usage based / bitcapped billing options.

qasdfdsaq 22-04-2015 04:10
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35772831)
As I understand it, VM are steadily moving to DOCSIS 3.1 readiness at the CMTS level, with said servers supporting DOCSIS 3.0 and 3.1 simultaneously. Again AFAIK, the BSRs are being replaced by Arris CMTSs.
If it weren't for backwards arsed "established" vendors that keep sticking their heads in the sand in the name of "revenue protection" we'd all be on SDRs by now.

Ignitionnet 22-04-2015 12:43
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
The CCAP architecture is pretty SDN heavy.

Kushan 22-04-2015 13:13
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
That has indeed been a rumour that crops up quite a lot :(

Ignitionnet 22-04-2015 14:54
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35773130)
That has indeed been a rumour that crops up quite a lot :(
That CCAP is an SDN-oriented tech or that VM will be selling capped and uncapped varieties?

As of right now neither is a rumour, though obviously the second one is subject to change :)

Kushan 22-04-2015 15:12
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
The capped services. Why would you say they aren't rumours? Have Virgin announced them?

dragon 22-04-2015 16:12
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
300Mbit with a 10GB cap anyone? (Yes that would be silly, but no stupider than some of the 4G based mobile data plans that are out there)

I doubt they'd actually be that stupid, at least I hope not.

Kushan 22-04-2015 16:55
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragon (Post 35773199)
300Mbit with a 10GB cap anyone? (Yes that would be silly, but no stupider than some of the 4G based mobile data plans that are out there)

I doubt they'd actually be that stupid, at least I hope not.
I'd even say that's less stupid than some of the 4G caps out there.

Sirius 22-04-2015 17:22
Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by telfordcable (Post 35772967)
^^ yeah rite! Rubbish!
Bit rich considering the standard of your previous posting history

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