Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35647835)

Indeed the others will announce price rises soon enough and as the old saying goes the grass is not always greener on the other side.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35647765)

It was £3 per account. So, If you had two Tivos, you only paid £3. I was on that deal as I got both Tivos as soon as Tivo was released, but my current price doesn't seem to reflect that; haven't a clue what I'm actually paying for my two Tivos now.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35647835)

Indeed the others will announce price rises soon enough and as the old saying goes the grass is not always greener on the other side.

Originally Posted by geordiechris (Post 35647895)

Just been speaking to my mother who informs me she can now watch True Movies on her M TV package, is this a promotional period like other channels have while it has been rebranded Tvrue Christmas or has it been put in the M package permanently?

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35647828)

Sky did there's in August , all companies do it that much is guarenteed.
I predict price rises from BT , plusnet , talktalk , Sky amongst others next year.

I have a doc infront of me of a channel launch but i'm not allowed to say nothing at the moment except that some of you are going to be very very happy.

For those who can't seem to grasp that this is a speculation and rumour thread aswell as general information , here is the thread you require http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...changelog.html

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35647799)

I have seen what is set to happen but is banned from posting info.

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35647828)

I have a doc infront of me of a channel launch but i'm not allowed to say nothing at the moment except that some of you are going to be very very happy.

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35647828)

I have a doc infront of me of a channel launch but i'm not allowed to say nothing at the moment except that some of you are going to be very very happy.

For those who can't seem to grasp that this is a speculation and rumour thread aswell as general information , here is the thread you require http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...changelog.html

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35647911)

The change log isn't a discussion thread. Hinted in the name it's simply a log.

Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35647914)

I have seen the information too but I am banned from posting it, hinting at it, miming it, revealing all through the medium of dance and ultimately remembering it. When it happens though. don't forget, whatever it was, it was forgotten here first ;)

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35647922)

Perhaps the thread should be renamed Coming soon to Virgin TV but we aren't allowed to say...

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35647639)

Currently HD does cost more. It's not just the equipment, it's programme editing time; video processing in HD takes longer than it does in SD and time is money. And although they have bought new equipment, I'm sure they are still adding to the amount they need.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35647911)

The change log isn't a discussion thread. Hinted in the name it's simply a log.

Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35647874)

To true bud,my heart will allways be with TiVo and vm but am very impressed with the constant improvements sky are making ;)

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35647922)

Perhaps the thread should be renamed Coming soon to Virgin TV but we aren't allowed to say...

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35647765)

It was £3 per account. So, If you had two Tivos, you only paid £3. I was on that deal as I got both Tivos as soon as Tivo was released, but my current price doesn't seem to reflect that; haven't a clue what I'm actually paying for my two Tivos now.

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35647933)

I didn't think you wanted a discussion thread, I thought you wanted a confirmed list of things definitely happening?

I agree that the change log isn't it, but perhaps I can point you in the direction of the links in Media Boy's signature?

Originally Posted by kgollop (Post 35647948)

Yes I've been in this position since the April 2012 price rises. They started charging me for the second TIVO. I have spent many hours on the phone to them and they have admitted to me that I should only be charged for one, but the billing system apparently won't let them correct it. I keep having to phone up to get credits put on my account which just seems mad. With the extra £3 TIVO charge, two VM price rises and a Sky increase my bill went up over £15 in 12 months.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35647938)

Indeed Sky have made improvements this year but provider of the year has to go to Virgin Media in 2013 and that's the unbiased in me talking.

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35647986)

It has been a big year for Virgin however I'd say Talk Talk are right up there as provider of the year. They have defied all business forecasts and have become a real player at the budget end of pay TV.

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35647986)

It has been a big year for Virgin however I'd say Talk Talk are right up there as provider of the year. They have defied all business forecasts and have become a real player at the budget end of pay TV.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35647766)

To have a second TiVo in our household costs a extra £11.50.

Originally Posted by staffs lad 64 (Post 35648002)

i only get charged £5 for my second one den,but get charged £6.50 amonth for vhd box in lads bedroom

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35647986)

It has been a big year for Virgin however I'd say Talk Talk are right up there as provider of the year. They have defied all business forecasts and have become a real player at the budget end of pay TV.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35647938)

Remember these are revered politicians of their age we are talking about.:)

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35648035)

Gosh! I hope not, who'd trust a politician? :shocked: :)

Originally Posted by MutleyF (Post 35648049)

Fox + Move

Now confirmed news that Fox + is moving into L (from XL), it seems to me that XL is getting less and less value for money

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35648051)

if you dont like football then yes id completely agree. no idea why virgin are doing this!

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35648050)

Not all politicians lie and feather their nests dear chap.

Originally Posted by MutleyF (Post 35648049)

Fox + Move

Now confirmed news that Fox + is moving into L (from XL), it seems to me that XL is getting less and less value for money

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35648052)

Perhaps there are replacements to come my dear chap.:)

Originally Posted by MutleyF (Post 35648066)

Not sure what other channels they could add to pad it out

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35648068)

Easy:
Sky Atlantic
Universal HD
The missing Sky HD versions

Originally Posted by MutleyF (Post 35648066)

No reason to doubt what you are saying is correct, but I would hate to think that after all the publicity from Virgin stating they do not charge for HD, they go and do it !

Of course though, only had a glimpse of BT Sport, but at least the choice to watch is there. Not sure what other channels they could add to pad it out

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35648072)

I have a sneaky feeling VM are upto something , a high up member of staff has told yesterday me Lovefilm may be coming to vm too.
I wonder if vm are intending to put this into the XL pack or something and if we could see VM Movies switch over to Lovefilm box office too?
Just a thought atm as 've heard LG want to concentrate on on demand and streaming services and use 3rd parties to get linar channels.

Originally Posted by warrenb (Post 35648082)

I agree, but if the UK netflix was like the US, then there would be your alternative wouldn't it.
There is no streaming alternative to having sky movies I am afraid.

Originally Posted by warrenb (Post 35648082)

I agree, but if the UK netflix was like the US, then there would be your alternative wouldn't it.
There is no streaming alternative to having sky movies I am afraid.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35648086)

Balderdash Sir as Sky Movies is okay but is overpriced and Netflix and Lovefilm are excellent and cheaper alternatives to it with plenty of content on them.

Originally Posted by MutleyF (Post 35648087)

I was considering getting this purely for the Christmas period, but am struggling to understand why Sky would charge £37.50 a month for Movies, yet allow £8.99 a month for Now TV for the same channels

Originally Posted by MutleyF (Post 35648087)

I was considering getting this purely for the Christmas period, but am struggling to understand why Sky would charge £37.50 a month for Movies, yet allow £8.99 a month for Now TV for the same channels

Originally Posted by warrenb (Post 35648082)

I agree, but if the UK netflix was like the US, then there would be your alternative wouldn't it.
There is no streaming alternative to having sky movies I am afraid.

Originally Posted by warrenb (Post 35648114)

Ah let me think, I feel like watching Life of Pi or maybe Zero Dark 30, oh, will have to wait for netflix or Lovefilm to get them, if they even do. Don't think so.

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35648126)

Life of PI is on Netflix alll be it Netflix Canada but you can still watch it as i've already stated via a smart dns.
Technically Lovefilm also have life of pi and zero dark thirty via their rental by post service (although not a streaming service but still you see my point i hope) which is still cheaper than Sky movies oh yeah Lovefilm do blu ray too which is 1080p also Netflix do SuperHD which is 1080i and imo better pq than Sky.

Originally Posted by warrenb (Post 35648114)

Ah let me think, I feel like watching Life of Pi or maybe Zero Dark 30, oh, will have to wait for netflix or Lovefilm to get them, if they even do. Don't think so.

Originally Posted by warrenb (Post 35648082)

I agree, but if the UK netflix was like the US, then there would be your alternative wouldn't it.
There is no streaming alternative to having sky movies I am afraid.

Originally Posted by warrenb (Post 35648114)

Ah let me think, I feel like watching Life of Pi or maybe Zero Dark 30, oh, will have to wait for netflix or Lovefilm to get them, if they even do. Don't think so.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35648147)

What did you mean by your top post above?

That seems to suggest that US Netflix would be an alternative, but your second post states that it isn't. I'm confused by your, what seem to be, contradictory posts.

Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35648141)

Netflix Super HD is 1080p where available.

Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35648154)

This is all hypothetical. Netflix won't be a direct alternative in the UK in the short term because Sky presently have exclusive first run rights. This was looked at by Ofcom, Competition Commission etc and found not to be uncompetitive.

So nothing will change unless/until Netflix etc enter the market and outbid Sky.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35648098)

Someone who's really into their movies would choose Sky Movies all day , Netflix and Lovefilm are excellent services but there movies with the odd exception are generally older in fact quite a few have been on tv. Netflix and Lovefilm both have the bonus of offering boxsets of tv series.


Simple they want in on the streaming market as for differences , Now TV movies only stream at 720p as opposed to 1080i on both VM and Sky theres no 5.1 sound at the moment unlike on VM and Sky.

Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35648192)

Afraid I have to disagree MM.

Until Sky movies get the premiers before Lovefilm's rental by post service, or the few remaining blockbuster stores, give me the option to watch the many commentaries, documentaries, behind the scenes videos, interviews, deleted scenes and many other extras, improve their picture quality to the standards of my TV and Blu Ray player, and offer it at a cheaper monthly price than Lovefilm someone who is really into their movies should not be paying for Sky movies. If people just want to watch movies that are repeated ad nauseum, then Sky movies is the better option.

As someone is very much into his movies, I would much rather wait for my Blu-Rays to arrive by post than watch poorer PQ movies with no extras.

Sky movies also show plenty of films that have been shown TV before. For a start they had all the Bond movies for a while. Currently showing on Sky comedy is "The 40 year old virgin" Sky action will soon be showing Commando and (Rambo) First Blood and First Blood 2. Sky greats is currently showing Back To The Future and sky thriller are just finishing off the Day Of The Jackal.

There are many more movies that Sky are going to be showing later today and early tomorrow (BBTF 2, gladiator to name just two movies) which I have seen on TV a few times before.

Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35648192)

Afraid I have to disagree MM.

Until Sky movies get the premiers before Lovefilm's rental by post service, or the few remaining blockbuster stores, give me the option to watch the many commentaries, documentaries, behind the scenes videos, interviews, deleted scenes and many other extras, improve their picture quality to the standards of my TV and Blu Ray player, and offer it at a cheaper monthly price than Lovefilm someone who is really into their movies should not be paying for Sky movies. If people just want to watch movies that are repeated ad nauseum, then Sky movies is the better option.

As someone is very much into his movies, I would much rather wait for my Blu-Rays to arrive by post than watch poorer PQ movies with no extras.

Sky movies also show plenty of films that have been shown TV before. For a start they had all the Bond movies for a while. Currently showing on Sky comedy is "The 40 year old virgin" Sky action will soon be showing Commando and (Rambo) First Blood and First Blood 2. Sky greats is currently showing Back To The Future and sky thriller are just finishing off the Day Of The Jackal.

There are many more movies that Sky are going to be showing later today and early tomorrow (BBTF 2, gladiator to name just two movies) which I have seen on TV a few times before.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35648197)

I guess its whatever suits we find Now TV movies and Sky Store on Now TV box suit us and its pretty competitive , when I last used Lovefilm by post I rarely seemed to receive my top choices and found it a pain having to keep packaging them back up and popping them in the post box (probably just more to do with my laziness :D).

Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35648294)

And don't forget about Netflix USA which for people with 3d TV (me ) they have 3d movies on also

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35648235)

Lovefilm with blueray rental and the included streaming is a very good option in my view. I had the £9.99 2 blueray discs at home for quite a while. It offers a good compromise of access to new movies along with a whole bunch of other content to stream, and at a price cheaper than Sky movies.

I stopped subscribing because I watch more US TV drama than films, and Netflix, coupled with a smart DNS for a similar price (£9.30) served my tastes better.

I still like to watch films, but I don't mind if I have to wait a while to see them. I actually signed up to the Now TV movies at a 6 month offer price of £2.50p/m, just to watch more recent films and only watched about one a month. I also found that quite a few turned up on various Netflix regions anyway.

I don't see a problem with the different services; it's good that we have the various options. Sky movies will be the right fit for some people, Lovefilm Blueray rental for others and Netflix/Loveilm streaming for another person, or indeed, any combination of them all.

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35648309)

You're in for a treat soon bud HULU is looking into 3D content too and could start showing 3D programmes from early next year , just use you vpn to access it :D

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35648072)

I have a sneaky feeling VM are upto something , a high up member of staff has told yesterday me Lovefilm may be coming to vm too.

Originally Posted by steveh (Post 35648350)

Does anyone else feel that TV On-Demand is having less expended on it lately? Now it seems to be mostly a catch-up for pay channels plus a very limited amount of "box-set" content each month along with stuff you can get free on 4oD. This did make me wonder if they were considering phasing it out for independent on-demand providers, possibly bundled with a package.

Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35648294)

And don't forget about Netflix USA which for people with 3d TV (me ) they have 3d movies on also

Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35648403)

And which, strictly speaking, is not 'legal' to view in the UK.

Not an option for the vast majority, and no doubt if enough people do find ways to do so, 'they' will find ways to stop it - just like the torrents.

I think the mods may need to keep a close eye on this - it's one thing to say "isn't it a pity you can't see XYZ on UK Netflix", yet another to discuss ways to get around it.

I'm not pointing a finger at this particular poster, who is no doubt discussing the issue in a purely hypothetical way.

Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35648403)

And which, strictly speaking, is not 'legal' to view in the UK.

Not an option for the vast majority, and no doubt if enough people do find ways to do so, 'they' will find ways to stop it - just like the torrents.

I think the mods may need to keep a close eye on this - it's one thing to say "isn't it a pity you can't see XYZ on UK Netflix", yet another to discuss ways to get around it.

I'm not pointing a finger at this particular poster, who is no doubt discussing the issue in a purely hypothetical way.

Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35648412)

Do not use the DNS or VPN things myself, but they are not illegal. As I understand it, it is not illegal to watch the netflix content from the abroad, it is just a possible breach of the terms and conditions. I think the worst result of gaining content access this way would be to have the users account cancelled.

You could ask if the practice is immoral (I am not, people are paying Netflix etc, for the services after all) but as I understand it, it is not illegal.

Will be happy to be shown wrong where I am wrong in my thought process.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35648407)

When did VPN services become illegal?

Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35648434)

Section 1 of the Computer Misuse Act 1990?

The Netflix T&C are primarily there to cover their backs in case the rights owners come after them.

Certain content is not available in the UK because exclusive rights have been sold to other parties, e.g. Sky. The subscription you pay Netflix in the UK reflects that content set.

The price Sky etc. pay rights holders reflects that exclusivity, in expectation of income from subscriptions. People accessing that material by misrepresenting their location deprive them of that income and are surely just as guilty of 'piracy' as downloading it from torrents.

Rights holders are big companies and big money is involved. Just because they have not hitherto pursued this issue does not mean they will not do so, particularly if they see their business interests threatened.

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VPN's are not illegal, and there are no doubt many legitimate uses for them.

However. using them for "unauthorised" access to "data held in any computer, or to enable any such access to be secured" probably IS an offence under the CMA 1990. The Netflix T&C presumably make it quite clear what is and is not 'authorised'.

Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35648434)

Section 1 of the Computer Misuse Act 1990?

The Netflix T&C are primarily there to cover their backs in case the rights owners come after them.

Certain content is not available in the UK because exclusive rights have been sold to other parties, e.g. Sky. The subscription you pay Netflix in the UK reflects that content set.

The price Sky etc. pay rights holders reflects that exclusivity, in expectation of income from subscriptions. People accessing that material by misrepresenting their location deprive them of that income and are surely just as guilty of 'piracy' as downloading it from torrents.

Rights holders are big companies and big money is involved. Just because they have not hitherto pursued this issue does not mean they will not do so, particularly if they see their business interests threatened.

Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35648403)

And which, strictly speaking, is not 'legal' to view in the UK.

Not an option for the vast majority, and no doubt if enough people do find ways to do so, 'they' will find ways to stop it - just like the torrents.

I think the mods may need to keep a close eye on this - it's one thing to say "isn't it a pity you can't see XYZ on UK Netflix", yet another to discuss ways to get around it.

I'm not pointing a finger at this particular poster, who is no doubt discussing the issue in a purely hypothetical way.

Originally Posted by joff81 (Post 35648432)

I know what's coming soon for me and that's a £5.50 price increase starting February 2014.

I wouldn't care so much but I don't subscribe to Sky's premium channels and don't watch BT sports as all it shows is football and rugby which I cant stand !!!

So the missing channels better show up soon or I will be looking else where as a £5.50 increase is pretty big (nearly 10% of my total monthly bill).

Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35648294)

And don't forget about Netflix USA which for people with 3d TV (me ) they have 3d movies on also

Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35648456)

Its not illegal and not against CMA.

Netflix protect the rights holder by Geo-Blocking the content and therefore fill their half of the bargain.

If someone uses a filter to gain access to the content by fooling the website into thinking it is somewhere else is again not against anything. The price of Netflix is the same regardless of where you access it, therefore you are paying for the access to the content and the rights holders are getting their monies.

If Netflix really didnt like VPNs then they wouldn't allow people to sign into US Netflix with their UK account.

Originally Posted by Khenryashley (Post 35648483)

Just gone through nearly all Netfix USA films. Can't find any 3d movies.
Am I missing something.

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35648506)

I thought this was the coming soon thread, not one about how to connect to other countries Netflix... :(

Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35648501)

Netflix terms and conditions say:
"You may view a movie or TV show through the Netflix service only in geographic locations where we offer our service and have licensed such movie or TV show. The content that may be available to watch will vary by geographic location. Netflix will use technologies to verify your geographic location".

If you use a device or 3rd party service to evade this restriction, your viewing is still 'unauthorised' - fooling their technology does not make it otherwise. Unauthorised access to computer data is 'hacking' and an offence under the CMA.

It is impossible to say what the sterling UK Netflix subscription rate might be if it covered the full range of content - media and tech companies are adept at differentiating markets.

To be fair this problem is not of Netflix's making - they are trying to break into a market already stitched up by others - and they are doing no more (or less) than they legally have to. However if the nasty stuff ever hits the fan, they are pretty well covered by the above, the user is not.

Originally Posted by Khenryashley (Post 35648483)

Just gone through nearly all Netfix USA films. Can't find any 3d movies.
Am I missing something.

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35648506)

I thought this was the coming soon thread, not one about how to connect to other countries Netflix... :(

Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35648524)

What are you using to find 3d movies bud it only shows them thru ps3 on Netflix USA site

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35648506)

I thought this was the coming soon thread, not one about how to connect to other countries Netflix... :(

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35648473)

Just had my increase, same as yours. I had a £2 increase last year and got an £11 loyalty discount when i questioned it, so I'm still ahead, but even so, it's a steep rise.

I've just done the usual round of comparisons. I actually do make use of ESPN, and to a lesser extent BT Sport, and I also have free multi room. Sky were already more expensive for me before I'd even added the cost of those extras, and BT don't appear to offer multi room or the Sky basic channels (unless someone can tell me otherwise). The Talk Talk website was playing up, which i think on reflection I'm pleased about!

That said I was reasonably impressed with BT's offer, and infinity has finally arrived in my area. It's the same price I'm paying now, with a rise due in the new year, but I'm going to swallow the Virgin price rise for now rather than attempt to re-contract for a further discount, and keep an eye on the Sky channels situation at BT. If they get them at minimal extra cost I might be off. For now I think the offer from Virgin is competitive and I'm making use of what I get for the money I pay them.

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35648542)

Finally got on to the talk talk website. A couple of quid cheaper than BT for a lot more channels, including the Sky basic channels, but no HD and no BT Sport.

I'm delighted infinity is now here, it means over the next year or so i should have some real choice. However, for now, and for me, Virgin offer me HD, BT Sport and the Sky basic channels all in one place, are cheaper than Sky for what I want from them and not very much more than BT or Talk Talk given the extras they offer over either of those companies once my loyalty discount is taken into account.

Without that discount, however, they're beginning to look very expensive. I know they've had a good year, but with channels continuing to be moved to lower tiers i can't help thinking that there must be something else to come. It would be really disappointing if they're relying on people not switching services-there really is so much choice now.

Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35648536)

There have been numerous mentions of VPN and DNS in the past. I fail to see why people can not talk about it now.

Gunslinger has agreed there is nothing illegal about using VPNs or DNS. He has, however, shown us Netflix's T+C's and has shown us why he thinks people are illegally watching TV shows from other countries. His post has certainly made the area less grey for me than it was previously.

It would be a shame if others could not respond in their defence.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35648547)

Im also looking forward to shortly having the luxury of choice Infinity comes to my area next year with an estimated date in early 2014 for the cab serving our house , the checker is estimating 58mb down 20mb up however I've heard it can be very conservative , what's your estimate ?

Originally Posted by Bananaman_007 (Post 35648528)

I have just signed up to a new contact with Virgin how do i go about getting my 6 month Netflix? will my username and password be on the confirmation letter?

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35648560)

I think the Netflix terms and conditions are as such because they have to be that way to keep content providers happy. Given that Netflix could easily prevent this happening if they wanted to but don't, suggests that they don't see it as an issue. I they don't see it as an issue, why should users?

The internet has made content global and content providers are resisting this so that they can make more money. They really should have learned from the record industry and make virtually all content globally available via reasonably priced subscription services.

Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35648582)

I don't really want to prolong this and don't really disagree with you - however we live in the real world.

Ideally exclusivity should be banned - consumers would then have a real choice. In the current situation increased competition actually works against the consumer by increasing costs and forcing them to sign up to multiple packages - as we have already seen with sports rights.

Netflix have obviously done what they needed to do legally, and don't want to upset users by being over picky. However that could very easily change if content providers wake up to this and lean on them. And in this case it is clearly the users not Netflix who may be breaking the law.

Originally Posted by JustaBloke (Post 35648521)

I have to congratulate you, the last time I saw someone whos post was as completely wrong as yours come back and try to defend it, was when OB claims Sky Atlantic is coming soon (again and again). :D

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35648566)

54 down, 18 up, against 3 adsl. I have the 30 product from Virgin currently, and the BT estimate means I should comfortably get all 38 from BT's lowest tier infinity product which is currently plenty. Both children are small so any use they have is heavily supervised meaning the most we currently have going is two connected devices at any one time.

Do their extra channels stream, and is it counted against your download limit, do you know? We'd probably require the unlimited product if that is the case.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35648560)

I think the Netflix terms and conditions are as such because they have to be that way to keep content providers happy. Given that Netflix could easily prevent this happening if they wanted to but don't, suggests that they don't see it as an issue. I they don't see it as an issue, why should users?

The internet has made content global and content providers are resisting this so that they can make more money. They really should have learned from the record industry and make virtually all content globally available via reasonably priced subscription services.

And what about DVD content that was only available as region 1 content and only available to buy in the US? Should I not have imported my copy of, amongst other titles, La Femme Nikita, years ago and played it on my region free modified DVD player?

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35648592)

Out of interest, any opinion on region 1 DVDs imported and played on hacked UK DVD players to make them multi-region? All my region free DVD players were bought pre hacked from reputable suppliers.

Originally Posted by Frazz (Post 35648572)

My code came through a couple of days later

Originally Posted by Bananaman_007 (Post 35648656)

Did you have to ring customer services?

Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35648648)

I imagine it is not perceived to be a major problem in terms of sales and so is tolerated. Major vendors like Amazon generally will not supply DVD's out of region, and there may also be issues about the supply of DVD's which may not comply with local regulatory and censorship requirements (age ratings etc.). In terms of enforcement it is a vendor rather than a user issue.

I am not sure any laws are broken by viewing legally acquired non counterfeit DVD's. However there ARE laws about computer hacking and fraudulent misrepresentation...