Re: STM always enforced?
 

Nice too see your happy to ruins peoples life because you don't like something, P2P is not illegal I agree downloading something you don't have the rights too is wrong but you have no right to ruin peoples lives because you have an issue with it.

I hope you can sleep at night knowing you could get people in alot a trouble which could see them been sent down or fined.

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Only the music and film industries conduct copyright theft, the rest of us just infringe.

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Oh no you're right and I should treat all Criminals this way - Tell the judges to go home, Let's all have this attitude!

Yes I can sleep very safe and sound thank you. They choose to do this so they risk ruining their own lives.. And you say it's not illegal but then say it "could see them been sent down or fined" but if it's not illegal then there is no repucussions.

So which is it?

Anyway ill stop now - seems you can all talk about P2P but I cant LOL

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Which is punishable in the UK as a criminal act under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988

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What does P2P have to do with always on STM any way?

Its nice to know that the neighbourhood watch is now policing the whole UK internet ;)

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I am just saying its none of your business the police are the ones that need to find these people not a snitch like you.

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The iPhone was released about 7 years after the start of Apple's turnaround. What caused the turnaround to start was a combination of the introduction of the iMac and Steve Jobs culling most of Apple's product lines. Then the iPod came along, and helped sales. As did the iMac switching to intel , the iPhone and the iPad.

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And now they have half production as the demand wasnt anywhere near what they expected.

The apple always falls off the tree.

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funny you should say that because I get CompTIA news brief emails everyday and one of the topics in todays email is Samsung out performing Apple on the sale of smart phones in Q3 of this year.

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and I am just saying you need to be careful of your words, they could land you in hot water. You have no idea if it's my business or not. So remember that.

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Apparently down freom 300,000 to 150,000 a day for the 5c and S

Anyway back on topic, Has anyone in the south wales area got this new STM? It seems to still be on the old one here. Just asking!

I believe BT can now claim they are faster than BT FTTC because even with STM at full they are 20 above what BT can provide in general.. for now..

Edit @ 8:49PM Well it seems we now have it in Cardiff BUT I am getting 98.5mbps! once it was 72 but I saw someone got 70 - so is this the way it is? They can't ven throttle properly?

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So what were you downloading to breach the STM threshold? Some linux ISOs I suppose...

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BT 20Mbps faster than BT? LOL. Makes sense.

In related news BT are 330Mbps faster than BT!

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I don't really understand that. I think the statement you are trying to make is that Bt Infinity is higher than the national average which in turn will inflate BT's average as a whole. I think it is a move in the right direction because it feels like everyone has been stuck on adsl for the last decade and dialup for years before that and it has been causing the internet to drag. Establishing a minimum standard and getting everyone onto fiber and 30mbit minimum can only be s good thing. Hopefully in the not too distant future when 200mbit comes out we'll see the tiers realigned to 50, 100 and 200. BT should be able to match it by then and having a national minimum standard of 50mbits would be awesome.

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Openreach will be rolling out 100mbps by the end of next year. Let them get the FTTC rollout finished first.

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I love the way you make assumptions with out knowing anything about me. Okay so it'd none of my business. I earn an easy wage then


I like it up on my high horse so thanks for the advice but no thanks

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Dosent your intelligence fair enough to work out the mistake? Poor poor person

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You're making huge assumptions, yourself. You're assuming a lot about people simply because they use P2P. Guilty until proven innocent, right?

So tell me how we can't possibly know if it's your business or not, but you know if something we're doing is your business? Hypocritical much?

By all means, enlighten us as to what your business actually is, then.


:rolleyes:
You should PM telfordcable, you guys would get on like a house on fire.

I love that you're calling someone out on their intelligence, yet you're apparently incapable of using a spell checker or writing a simple sentence that makes sense. Honestly, what are you going on about here?

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I think that you meant to ype "VM" instead of "BT".

That being so, I would point out VM's 60 meg (downstream)cable offering will be faster for all FTTC customers like me who are c. 350m from the cabinet and have aluminium cable. Copper phone line customers have a bit more leeway.

We should not lose sight of the speed limitations (currently) of FTTC.

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absolutely, it can be a bit of anticlimax. Everyone loves to moan about VM and all the network problems but for most (including myself) my 120mbit connection trumps anything I can get from anywhere else big time. When fttc was first made available in my area at the beginning of the year i predicted to get 53/13. Qas posted something last week which made me think about checking again to see if there had been any improvement and to my dismay the predictor now says 48/8. "Fiber" to the cabinet sounds great in theory but it would definitely be a come down for me if I went back to 50mbits because that is what I was on 2 years ago.

Realistically I think I'll be with VM for however many years until they sort out fttp. Even then, if Liberty Global go the way they want to in terms of standards and gigabit speeds get rolled out on docsis 3.1 I might end up being a lifetime VM customer :)

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A sensible opinion, mon General. It makes VM STM irrelevant for a large chunk of people who have FTTC available to them.

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I'd still take 48/8 over 100/5 regularly STM'd down to 84/2 which is the best VM can give me

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Others may choose based on bang per buck on downstream without any huge concerns about upstream. I doubt I've ever hit upstream STM because I don't use cloud backup or run torrents. I do have some lowish volume automated uploads and a couple of public webcams which I limit with the router.

For me to beat the pricing of VM 60/3 together with Vonage house phone I'd have to slip back to TalkTalk ADSL. Right now despite some annoying congestion issues that is the decider for me.

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I can definitely understand why you'd take the 48/8 over what may end up as 84/2, if upload speeds are important to you. Though when the 120meg upgrade finally hits you, that then turns into 100/4, half the upload but twice the download. It's easy to see why people go for Virgin, particularly if upload speeds aren't an issue for them.

After reading the ASA decision on TBB today, I wonder how long Virgin will be able to keep STM on the upload side so high. I suppose they'll try to skirt around it by saying unlimited downloads for now.

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When I moved from VM 100mbit to Sky 80mbit I found it was a lot faster

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if you get stm'd a lot then yes and I probably would have agreed with you this time last year but the changes they made this year to remove daytime stm have helped no end for me. I do all my downloading during the day and play games in the evening (not hitting stm) and I work most weekends (i.e. I am not in to do anything) so although you are looking at it from an 84/2 stm'd point of view, I can look at it purely as 120/12 or 48/8 and I would rather have the former.

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given the differences in peering quality, congestion levels, youtube performance etc.

I would consider a 20 mbit FTTC service superior to a 60/3 VM connection.

To me the headline max burst speed is only part of the equation.

VM

Better local loop fault resolution, VM just come out when needed no bickering, openreach fight tooth and nail to avoid a visit and then threaten large fees if they dont find anything wrong.
100% chance of connection speed been the advertised speed. FTTC depends on line quality and distance, plus DLM.
Probably cheaper for the BB component due to that rententions are a very soft touch at VM, also BT soon wont be much cheaper on voice services as this year they have very agressively increased prices.
Isp supplied router has modem mode.

BT/FTTC isps

Chances of congestion are significantly lower, most isp's generally now do not have congestion problems in their local backhauls.
Upstream from the cabinet to exchange is generally uncontended.
Higher max upstream speeds possible.
Generally consistent latency performance even tho base latency can often be higher it should at least be consistent.
Larger choice of isp's to choose from due to the wholesale aspect of xDSL.
Traffic management is mostly now a thing of the past, with only one major dsl isp left enforcing shaping on their services.
Although no modem mode on isp supplied devices one can buy their own modem to use instead if they choose to.

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even with BT? I thought that with BT and Sky you had to use their homehubs or whatever they dish out. Can you buy your own modem and router?

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I don't use the supplied homehub on my line.

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sweet, something I'll remember for the future because that was one thing which was definitely putting me off. I don't like isp supplied routers whether they been shubs or otherwise

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With FTTC you get a VDSL modem and a separate router. The modem will work with any router.

From what I've read at least some of the modems seem to be locked down and you either need to "jailbreak" them or replace them to get things like the line stats.

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that is what I heard which is why I asked the question. I know someone who has got Sky fiber and he said he had to use wireshark to see the password which was being used on the supplied modem so he could put it on the one he bought

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Which is a bit of a rubbish thing to have to do. It's nice that you can use your own equipment but Sky seem to be trying to force you not to, meaning at some point they may try to patch the wireshark sniffing (I don't know enough about that to state how possible this is, the point is that Sky are actively trying to stop you). It's kind of like saying that a plus point of Virgin is that you can visit the pirate bay, because there's a workaround to their block.

In any case, I think Chrysalis made a really good post there and it goes to show that it's not just a case of Virgin are terrible, everyone else is better. Each have their pros and cons and some of those pros/cons are more valuable to different people.

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yup, and from my point of view atm VM is a winner. I have never have a problem with my connection and always get full speed and I get to use my own router (even if I had a shub).

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yes with BT its no issue at all to use own modem same with sky.

The difference with sky tho is its a bit of a pain to use your own router due to their authentication mechanism. On other FTTC isp's its easy to use own router.

I have acknowledged many times that in a area with no visible congestion VM is probably a good service (which I seen in the small time periods my area was ok after upgrades), I am the sort of person who is somewhat fussy about jitter (due to using ssh commandline a lot) and I also notice peering issues as a lot of my internet use it to servers outside of the uk.

So to me VM wasnt good enough, but everyone has their own requirements of their connection and different areas perform differently.

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Yes, indeed, mass market companies cater towards the mass market consumer.

I on the other hand, if I'm paying by the hour for Amazon compute capacity, and the limiting factor on my compute throughput is the upload speed on my home (controller) machine, then having twice as much upload means getting twice as much bang for my buck out of my compute server(s).

Obviously, not your average joe user scenario...

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Yes I'm also looking at it from the point of view that my area will likely be the last in the country to get 120/12, seeing as it was near enough last for 100/5 and 50/5, 100/10 never came.

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BT FTTC has never forced you to use their supplied modem *or* router. Though if you wanted support on either device you'd be expected to put it back.

No need to ever buy your own modem though, at least not yet. They've always supplied a standalone, dedicated modem up until now.

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To me STM just means my QoS is a bitch to configure correctly and I cannot be bothered. Again, I'll prefer a consistent and reliable slower speed over a rapidly fluctuating and undependable "burstable" 100Mb connection.

Remember during my 20 months with BT Infinity my speed only ever dropped below half of maximum on 3 days out of 600.

On VM my speed was less than half what it should have been 7 months out of each and every year.

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Indeed. What shocks me is that people seem to miss this crucial point - that everyone's needs and requirements are different. We all sit here and bitch about how **** Virgin can be, be it their customer service or congestion or whatever, but any time I look at a Sky or BT orientated forum, I see just as many disgruntled people. I'm sure there's a TelfordFTTC on every one.

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:D

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Telford FTTC isn't on everyone. You're got the fact wrong. My mother, my brothers, myself, my mates who lives in Telford area in different areas still got no FTTC yet. But...there are large of peoples using cable in Telford, I would say 90% of Telford got virgin media cable while the rest of 10% still on BT ADSL/ADSL2/ADSL2+ (where cable isn't available)

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Talk about totally missing the point or maybe just dont care to see it :P

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When sky acquired O2/Be they said they would make it easy for the new o2/Be subs and everyone else to be able to use there own router as soon as they could retrain their agents to cope.

Since then their has been a deafening silence on the subject which has been further compounded by the release of the sr-102 hub (combined Xdslmodem/router). Maybe it was just a load of hot air to placate new subs from Be/O2?

Anyway it's not a huge deal to sniff your username/password and load a suitable firmware.

What is even easier, if double nat is not an issue for you, is to put your router in the sky sr-101 hubs DMZ.

With the present sr-102's firmware this seems to be the only way to use your own modem with it unless you replace it with an OR standalone modem off ebay.

Re: STM always enforced?
 

Who are you with now, Qas?