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This may help explain Damien's reply to my post....

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2013/05/8.jpg

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Theres a faceboook page here, and judging by the pictures, those that are unable to get to London are putting flowers on there local memorials

https://www.facebook.com/LEERIGBYRIP...ocation=stream

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Indeed ,the Imam was on the jeremy vine show today ,it was a shame that none of the EDL members involved couldn't be contacted to speak .I am thinking that the Imams reaction totally threw them and now they are just sitting in their houses staring into space wondering what the hell happened :)

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What is all the fuss about. We know that extreme indoctrination is taking place in these sort of places. Assume for the sake of argument it went on in that location, do you think they couldn't hide things for just one day? Try hidden cameras on the other 364 days a year and at other locations and you might get a different, but truer picture.

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But it doesn't take place in all Mosques ,indeed i would say that most Mosques are exactly what they purport to be ,which is a place of peaceful worship.We do have to guard against the extremists in some mosques exactly the same as we have to guard against the extremists such as the EDL canvassing schools ,pubs and other places they think that they can recruit supporters

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I didn't say that it takes place in all mosques, but it is undeniable that it does take in some. How can you tell which mosques or Islamic centres have extremists preaching there? Even those ones can shut down their "operations" for one day a year and invite people inside. Inviting people in doesn't prove anything either way. Eg People can be on their best behaviour when social workers call round to check on children. That doesn't stop abuse before or after they've left.

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The importance of what happened is that when the EDL started protesting outside the mosque instead of calling the police the Imam asked them inside the mosque to talk and in the end both parties realised that they had the same objectives which is to stop extremism ,so on that day at least a few extremists ended the day with a different outlook on Muslims

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Not especially surprising but.

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Lets hope no neanderthals turn up and start trouble.

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Muslim groups seem to be making a very concentrated effort to be seen to be rejecting these people. It's pleasing but also rather depressing they need to do so, hopefully the relatively calm response so far from the majority of non-Muslims will mean they will not need to so next time.

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They should be standing against them all the time. Outing those they think may be a danger to authorities ( of course this may be happening anon)

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^ this. exploit and never give in against crackheads. its key in moving forward. id also rather see modernised Muslims on the street than the nutjob EDL/BNP.

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I disagree that it's depressing. In the past there had been what I'd describe as a justified perception that Muslim leaders and groups have not publicly done enough to speak out against their murderous element. It seems like they certainly are making a concerted effort this time and of course that's a good thing but I don't remember such an outcry at 7/7. Ok yes there were plenty of Muslims speaking out back then but it didn't seem to be the same as it is now.

In an ideal world any sort of group would not have such pressure to speak out but I think it has come to this due to a perceived lack of action in the past.

It doesn't have to be a grand gesture as such - for example I thought those Muslim elders who invited the EDL in for a cuppa and a chat was awesome. Plus it was the perfect way to shut up the knuckle-dragging types. A very classy and smart move.

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show me your teeth :D

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They did not hit him hard enough or in the correct place.

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it is just a start plenty to come yet :)

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Next time they hit him it needs to be hard to the bottom of the nose at a slight upwards angle ;)

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haha


I expected the b@stard is moaning about his civil rights being
infringed by someone attacking him :mad:

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The Human Rights Lawyers will be racing each other to the jail to interview him and all at public expense :rolleyes:

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it makes a mockery of it all if so and I fear it will

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I wish he was in a military prison. He would hate it from dawn till dusk :LOL:

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5 prison officers suspended while the investigation is ongoing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23374239

I would imagine that a category A prison will have CCTV coverage of most areas so if this was a pre-planned assault or if the restraint was excessive.

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Either way, bring the officers back to work, loose the tape, & the beer`s on me, & before anyone asks me if I applaud this "alleged" action, the answer is YES. This guy should be shot at dawn, in public.

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:clap:

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Shame it wasn't two eyes he lost

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You kill a Muslim fundamentalist and you give them the martyrdom they wanted in the first place. If there were to be shot at done imo it would be to blow their kneecaps off

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sick and twisted!

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If they were so "proud" of killing for their "god", why deny it now?

Oh right, they got caught....

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Evidently they're a bit worried that their 'faith' won't be of very much use when they're spending all those years behind bars.

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they lived so no virgins

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I think they'll go down the path of suggesting that to them it wasn't "murder" so whereas they'll agree they were responsible for the guy's death, to them it wasn't a crime - as indicated by them not running off after the event.

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It's just another way for them to preach their twisted justification to a wider audience.

Hopefully the judge orders them trussed up like Hannibal Lecter and they any attempt to justify the murder gets them tasered in the nuts.

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I bet Leory will like a day with both of them playing mummies and daddies.

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I know thee are entitled to a defence, but I couldn't possibly see how any barrister would be prepared to defend them.

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I can, who ever gets to defend them will earn a fortune via the tax payer.

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I don't think they can refuse a case on the basis that they find the client distasteful or think they are guilty. They have to accept whatever cases come their way if they are next in line and accept whatever the client tells them.

I can't see them spending a huge amount of time on the preparation of a defence though. :erm:

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these are soldiers of islam and should be given to the military for trial ,and of course retribution .

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No they did exactly right shooting to wound was a work of genius. They could have killed them on the streets but that is what they wanted. No martyrdom for these fools they are going to prison and I doubt will ever be released

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Oh come on, as soon as they get the chance to appeal any sentence we give them to the court of human rights they will have there sentences reduced and i feel they will be out after 15 years. :mad:

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Myra Hindley died inside Ian Brady will Peter Sutcliffe also so it is in the power of the courts

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Did they play the human rights card?

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Brady has been trying it on

---------- Post added at 15:33 ---------- Previous post was at 15:31 ----------

quick google shows all 3 played it

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working on my phone at the moment due to having to reinstall windows 8.1 after it thrugh a thisey fit.

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I did not mean you should look I wanted to be straight on the facts myself :)

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http://news.sky.com/story/1239051/le...-life-sentence


unbelievable :mad: sometimes human rights are very inconvenient

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Some hot shot human rights zealot barrister wants to have a go at forcing the European Court and the UK's High Court to fight it out over the whole-life issue, and who should have the last say, by the look of things.

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And what will the argument be? It will be better for justice if he's given some hope so he doesn't kill himself and at least sees out part of his term.

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Yes, if I had to guess I would say they're going to go over the whole issue of the right not to suffer degrading treatment, or whatever it was the EC ruled one way before our own courts then ruled the other.

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Keep calm, it will be rejected.

No one in there right mind will change the sentence.

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I still say the coppers should have killed them and that would have saved the tax payer from funding the money grabbing lawyers that will feed of this for years and years to come. Bet you the cost will run in to millions. The EU courts will love this.

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There's room for one more a Gitmo, outside the remit of the EU if we can find a reason to send him on holiday there.

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You don't need a "reason". Blair and Straw saw to that.

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People have the right to appeal their sentence. You can get angry that he has taken this right in the face of public opinion but this is a guy who murdered an innocent man so to expect anything better would be akin to be surprised when an animal attacks another. It won't succeed....

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RIP

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Eh? :confused:

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2 year anniversary

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Copycat "revenge"* attack.

BBC *except the victim was Sikh, not Muslim....

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"Paedophiles and paediatricians" comes to mind.

Tragic.

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Few things in life are quite as pointless as revenge for pretty much anything. Any satisfaction it may provide is usually both very shallow and very short-lived.

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but 'e looked like a muslim wiv 'is turban an evryfing

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*Headpalms* unreal.